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I met Don DeLillo on the D train this morning. He was sitting alone in the last car, reading "The Histories" by Herodotus.

>Hi, Mr. DeLillo. I love your work.

He thanked me for the compliment. His voice was quite raspy, and he coughed a bit, as if there were some viscous fluid lodged in his throat.

>If I may, sir, do you have any projects in the works?
>I do, yes.

He didn't seem irritated by my question, and in fact he was almost open to the conversation.

>What about? I enjoyed Zero-K very much.
>Thank you. It is a novel. It is an exploration of the internet's impact on globalization, and how certain groups on the web collude anonymously to obstruct the processes of democracy in America and Western Europe.

I was floored. I stood in silence for several seconds.

>W-w-wow, Mr. DeLillo. I cannot wait to read it.
>Call me Don, he said.

When we got to Fordham Road station he closed his book, smiled, and walked off the train into the fog of commuting bodies.

Can you believe it?
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>>9339916
I had an encounter with Thomas Pynchon in January but out of respect for him I won't go into detail.
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I met John Green on the D train this morning. He was sitting alone in the last car, reading "The Catcher in the Rye" by Salinger.

>Hi, Mr. Green. I love your work.

He thanked me for the compliment. His voice was quite raspy, and he coughed a bit, as if there were some viscous fluid lodged in his throat.

>If I may, sir, do you have any projects in the works?
>I do, yes.

He didn't seem irritated by my question, and in fact he was almost open to the conversation.

>What about? I enjoyed Looking for Alaska very much.
>Thank you. It is a novel. It is about teen refugee from Siria who likes cocks very much. He die in the end.

I was floored. I stood in silence for several seconds.

>W-w-wow, Mr. Green. I cannot wait to read it.
>Call me John, he said.

When we got to Fordham Road station he closed his book, smiled, and walked off the train into the fog of commuting bodies.

Can you believe it?
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>>9339916
I can believe it.

>>9339935
BS

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What's the most important in a book:

>Plot
>Prose quality
>Ideas

Which one determines literarian quality?
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They're all the same
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What you get out of it
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>someone will take the bait

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Thinking about reading this

Is it good?Should I get it?
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Yes it's worth your time/money.
First book was very good, second ok and death's end was the best. He could have played around a little more in the third book imo.
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Three Body Problem is breddy gutt
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>>9339878
most of the first one is great both story\characters and the scifi (until the retarded 9 dimensional particles) second one is retarded and gets way to handwavy with all the wallfacer bullshit, couldn't finish it desu and theres very few books that are so bad i didnt finish them.

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>Persons main criticism of a book is that the main character is a "self insert of the author!"
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>>9339817
I don't get this either, what's wrong with it?
>inb4 mary sue
These two things are completely different
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>>9339817

>someone complains the dialogue isn't realistic
>some complains the characters are unlikable
>someone complains the author was a terrible person and says nothing about the actual book
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>Frozen served a political purpose: to demonstrate that a woman did not need a man to be successful. Anything written to serve a political purpose (rather than to explore and create) is propaganda, not art.
>Frozen was propaganda, pure and simple. Beauty and the Beast (the animated version) was not.

>it's another "Jordan Peterson is a fucking retard" episode

Is death a problem that every sentient being must face? Inescapable truth of eternal nothingness or another cycle of rebirth in different states of existence (heavenly realms, dream constructs, Hell). There are many such interpretations of what transpires when a sudden clinical or accidental "death" occurs.

Whatever it is, it's something that I've never seen with my own mind/senses, so it's like the next adventure (death).
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You either go to Heaven or Hell
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After death you stop existing and that's it and that's fine. You won't know either way, because you've stopped existing
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>>9339818

Have you empirically observed or recall or have even seen a realm of pure bliss and unending happiness (Heaven) and its opposite?

Mental states are not realms to me but the question is does the mind persist beyond bodily death?

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Any good easy to read post-modern (or something that feels smart and actual) English novel to bring with me on vacation? (sort of like Joyce but comfy). Please no Infinite Jest, it seems too long for a week vacation in which I'll mostly socialise and read max 2 hours a day.
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>PoMo
>comfy

Pick one.
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>>9339692
V.
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>>9339692
IV

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Hi /lit/ can you recommend additional non fiction works in line with my existing collection?
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my diary desu
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On Tyranny - Xenophon, Strauss
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uh, that's a really, really broad question?

what topics? what disciplines?

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So far I haven't been unable to understand how to improve my writing, yet lit told me I simply need to read and write a lot.

It seems so far, ineficient to me and a poorly explanation, at least in so extended.

So far, even if I have improved yet beyond my wild imaginations in a few days of heavy practice, I haven't been unable to put in words why this happens, who knows, maybe are the neural networks improving it's conections, similar to how muscles become bigger when put to pressure.

So far, even if my attempts have been unfruitful to explain why I've improved so far, so far beyond my wildest imaginations, in a couple of days, but I've been able to device, using my thinking and though some exercises that maybe able to expand my literary knowledge and writing skills.

So far, I've come up with these ones:
>Writing poetrhy
>Translating
>Writing original thoughs
>Copying pages of famous authors

Am I correct in my understanding and therefore I've understood as is applicable a way to improve or am I still clueless, a damn clueless taco nigger shitkin that wont be able to ammount to nothing and will die alone in my niggertaco shithole?
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Google words you don't understand and note them down if you feel you can't memorize them at first blush.

Should boost your attempts anon.
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How long have you been practicing these things? I've been writing almost every day for two years, so far a novel, a novella, many scripts and a collection of short stories. Various drafts. Throughout each of these I have had very very minor changes, but now, 2 years/~350,000 words layer, I can look back and see quite an improvement from when I was starting out.

Pic unrelated.
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>>9339575
is been a couple of weeks so far.

>80 pages into Finnigans Wake
>there is no plot
>it's literally Joyce describing shit in his goofy fucking half made up language
> muh rhyming meters
>muh classical references

What the fuck is the point of reading a book where each paragraph is wild inane rambling with nothing to ground the reader. There is NO plot. Not even a loose one. None!
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Looks like you haven't started with the Greeks
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It's literally written in an Irish dialect, if you haven't picked that up and looked past it yet there's no hope.
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>>9339533
Correct

>>9339539
No shit, that is wildly obvious. That doesn't take away from the fact that it is page after page of describing things. NO STORY

No one is going anywhere, no one is talking to anyone. Any action is vague third persom about having gone to a bar.

I have read Ulysses, THERE IS AT LEAST DIALOGUE.

There is nothing here.

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can someone please help to explain how the pieces fit together. this image doesn't make sense to me. the more i read about it, the more i'm getting lost. at first i understood it like this:
>there are things in and of themselves, and there are appearances of those things
>we have access to those appearances through sensibility, made possible by a priori intuitions of space and time
>judgements of understanding are produced by applying concepts, like that of causation, to those appearances
>since space and time are intuited in the sensibility that produces all appearances, judgements of understanding re: those appearances will be universally valid for all appearances in space and time
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anyone?
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Not an expert, but for what I know Kant thought that:
1.The world we perceive (through senses) is not "the real world", which would be the noumenon (what things are when not perceived by our senses, their attributes basically --which kind of fits well with quantum physics (objects get affected by our senses because we're sending protons which shape its particles/wave)--)
So then he wonders what can we know with transcendental truth (a priori, without the senses --because they are kind of a looking-glass that doesn't present reality in itself and we cannot get rid of it--): this pure concepts are the analytical a priori truths (which nowadays I don't think they stand as something accepted), which would be concepts taken out purely from logic from an axiom that has no reliance in the empirical knowledge. But what we can know though, is that space and time are conditions understood by our body (the four dimensions) and from that I guess you could try and get out a Pure Concept (but then again, no one has come out with an axiom that nowadays would be considered a Pure Concept --Hegel would nod happily and agree with modern society--).
I'm not sure whether I've answered anything, but I wasn't sure what you were asking either to be fair.
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>>9339722
thanks. trying to figure out how his theories of appearance, sensibility, intuition, judgements, understanding, etc. fit together to form his theory of mind. i think the image is attempting to do that, but doesn't really make sense to me.

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I just finished Ceasar's memoirs of his conquest of Gaul and now I'm interested in his civil war against Pompey. Recommend any books that give a good overview of events? I'm looking for something that does more than just states facts and and gives dates, no, Ceasar was here, this skirmish happened, blah, blah... I want something that gives insight into what Ceasar and Pompey are thinking, why they did things, the political climate in Rome at the time, ect. Got anything?
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>>9339379
Rubivon.
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>>9339388
Thanks, this seems exactly what I am looking for. Any other suggestions from people are wanted too though.
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>>9339379
Plutarch?

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Cruxwordpuzzles: The new "I've finished today's puzzle and now I'm bored" thread!

Are there any puzzles mote challenging than the NYT? Once you learn Schwartz & co.'s tricks they start to get pretty easy.

Also do you guys play any other word games?
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>>9339368
Stop spoiling the goddamn NYT crossword you fucking bastard. That's one of the few things I derive pleasure from these days
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Please give me a good general crossword source. I don't want pop culture idiocy, I want /lit/ level.
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rare puzzle

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i'm building a list of books to read while i withdraw from society as much as i can in order to stem my suicide for as long as possible. so far i have:

--no longer human
--steppenwolf
--a fernando pessoa poetry collection
--a john ashbery poetry collection
--ulysses
--I.J.
--shusaku endo's "silence"
--emil cioran's "the trouble w/ being born"
--deszso kosztolanyi's "skylark"
--some pynchon i suppose
--the iliad and the odyssey bc i still havent gotten to em
--white noise
--simulacra & simulation
--matsuo basho "the narrow read to the deep north"
--welcome to the N.H.K.
--joyce's play "exiles"
--madame bovary
--meditations

would love some more suggestions senpai, cheers.
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Notes from underground
Behead all satans
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Un Homme Qui Dort by Georges Perec
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my diary desu

Why are DFW and Infinite Jest memes?
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>>9339357
DFW stood apart, and yet mediated. Communicating to society something as essential as water, and yet being able to do so only from a position of insulation, of disaffection.

He accepted the contrary experience, and drank, with Socrates, the deadly cup.
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>>9339357
He had a retarded personality. He stalked women. He threw a coffee table at his gf. He's a fucking nut job. He hung himself. Why wouldn't he be a meme?
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>>9339392
please show me your fedora collection

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Best books on Charles de Gaulle's life and policies? French or English.
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>>9339352
Don't bother, he was a massive dick and gloryhound.
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>>9339617
I think the frenchposters on /his/ would have a better time on /lit/ desu
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>>9339352
Mémoires de Guerre
>>9339617
BEADY

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