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Dude, common sense, LMAO
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>>9350189
I don't get it
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>>9350191

you will
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>clinically depressed man giving self help advice

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would you guys be interested in something like that if i wrote it?
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Yeah, that would be pretty cool
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>>9350185
phenomenology of cool would be better
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my buddy wrote something like this for a project once, here was the beginning i saved:

The individual is not a genus of subject, but much more - the salient focal point of every system. Though it takes part, it is not just the next step, but that from which emanates all steps.

The grammar of mind structures our thought; things as they are (as opposed to how they appear) cannot be conceived outside of these structures, and so can never fully be known. The boundary of appearance forms the limit of knowledge, on the other side of which exist the unintelligiblethings as they are. Where do we go, if our destination is unknowable?

If we are to be directionless, the transcendentmust be approached through negation - by determining what it is not.Conceptions must battle and subjugate negations to bring the next conception, closer to the thing as it is, into being. All things outside the ego are negations to it. We must destroy that which is outside ourselves: to be re-born to fight again.

The waves crash and the tide goes out. Be yourself. A saying more profound than you can know. What is meant by it? Is there a self? Stop quibbling and jump in. Who said the ‘journey is the destination?’, for they are one: a becoming; a search for the transcendent in the shedding of affectation.

The individual sits at the center of the universe; to rationalize or politicize these precepts is to contrive their meaning. You are guilty of fear and much more; of cruelty and servitude, performed with earnest affectation. All things in flux, these phenomena are ancient - their manifestations modern.

The cowardly geist. It refuses conflict, preferring to absorb and appropriate. Therefore culture brings the process to a halt. Fine. It is nothing. The poor and the rich: materialists. The lowbrow and the middlebrow: consumers. All those who seek the sublime in posturing and displaying are those who have lost their lust for violence.

Your appeals disgust me, how you've been neutered so - your false transcendence of objectivity. The word makes me laugh; objectivity. Statistics and data; a flattening of water: pathetic progress.

Hold on, wait, “we can't be sure!” Therefore science brings the process to a halt. It is not negation, but description requiring stasis. But we have no patience for science's preoccupation with the ossification of appearances. We seek the transcendent only.

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You guys ever write out Joyce's fart letter and put your girlfriends name instead of Nora and buy her roses and put the letter in a nice card and give it to her as a gift? It's fucking hilarious. Mfw she's reading it.
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some of the letters actually have some pretty beautiful and heartfelt stuff in them along with the dirty shit desu
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>>9350113
That was Joyce's style
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lmao this shit going on r/4chan

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>be me
>be delusional about having a writing career
>force myself to detach my ego from my work to make it as perfect as possible
>give myself the roughest, most hurtful criticism I can come up with
>my self-esteem/self-worth plummet
>fall into depression
>isolate myself from the outside world
>my stories are getting better, but I'm still nowhere near the skill level I need to be to live off my art.
>start hating everything I make to preemptively defend myself from thinking I've actually written something good.
>start hating myself for ever thinking I could be a writer
>people on reddit start paying attention to my stories and my small subreddit starts growing into a few hundred people.
>I never believe their praise and think they're just being considerate or ironic
>write a story write a story that a lot of people want more off
>keep publishing chapters every few weeks for a couple of months
>readers are actively enjoying it despite how unconventional it is
>still think its not good enough to share around because I assume the people following my stuff are already predisposed to liking it
>work up the courage to share it in a small forum
>they liked it. the flaws they pointed out was stuff I was already aware of and/or indulging in.
>slowly gain subscribers until I stabilize at around three hundred

Now I have a dilemma. I know that I'm still not good enough to beg for money on patreon or youtube, but I'm starting to hope again that I actually wrote something good. I also know I can't trust this feeling. I'm only gonna end up more crushed when it turns out to be uninspired genre drivel. It's literally anime in prose. It's like I'm the James Joyce of anime references with how obvious and plentiful they are. How can I stop myself from thinking my story is any good?
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wtf? you're not writing for fun? you should probably stop, you won't make it with this attitude.
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>>9349834
>I'm the James Joyce of anime references
>people on reddit start paying attention to my stories

should be enough to crush all your ego, I don't know what to say
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>>9349844
Of course I do it for fun. That's why I always write what's fun for me

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Would someone explain leaves of grass to me? I can't make any sense of it.
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>>9349824
I didn't know gandalf wrote books
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easy, you are dumb
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>>9349824
Leaves of grass are individually insignificant but form something greater altogether.
This is similar to American Society (and Whitman WAS writing specifically about America) and to individuals themselves, as we are all made up of specific "leaves" that are thoughts and experiences (I contain multitudes).
It's not the most nuanced philosophy but it's some nice poetry. Just enjoy it as it comes.
Read the preface if your edition has it. You'll see where he's coming from.

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Im gonna start reading Dostoevskys Demons. What Im in for? Will it gave me as much feels as Brothers Karamazov did?

Also Dostoevsky Thread. Talk about his work.
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Solzhenitsyn is better.
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It starts off pretty slow, especially the first 50 pages. It seems like he's rambling about nothing but it all connects later. The pace picks up towards the middle, and especially at the end, which will fuck up your heart strings. I think it's one of his sloppiest, but also one of my favorites. Not better than Brothers Karamazov though.
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Why was Pyotr Stepanovich such a cunt?

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>tfw too smart to care about philosophers and their musings about consciousness
>tfw can easily realise that they merely make unfalsifiable conjectures (currently unfalsifiable by science) and the worth of these ideas is based on marketing
>tfw pity the fools on lit who read ten thousand page treatises that merely market unfalsifiable ideas

Why are ANY of these people taken seriously? It doesn't matter if, right this second, I isolated the "neural algorithms" and parts of the brain that produced consciousness and created a robot that instantly acted like a conscious person. All the famous philosophers would merely stand on top of the new scientific findings and make different unfalsifiable conjectures.

Why are people too stupid to see this? The same things have happened ALL the time. Whether it was Aristotle saying men had more teeth than women or any old dumb shit. Pseudointellectuals stand on top of currently accepted scientific findings and make unfalsifiable conjectures that are judged solely on marketing.

>inb4 science isn't ultimate truth

I agree. I only mention science because it is a subset of philosophy that overlaps well with another Philosophy: what we perceive.

But the difference is that you guys take Daniel Dennet's speculations as Serious Business SOLELY due to marketing.
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Read a book nigger.
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Buddy you need to read some Hegel :)
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Science is slowly turning into a religion, its the answer for everything to certain people.

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yo lit, can everyone give me a list of books to read (not joyce or shakespeare etc, things i will not have actually read)
thanks senpaitachi
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>>9349530

Collected Hamsun, Strindberg and Kierkegaard.

glhf
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>yo lit, can everyone give me a list of books to read (not joyce or shakespeare etc, things i will not have actually read) thanks senpaitachi

What did he mean by this?
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>>9349548
basically nothing mainstream "highbrow", thanks

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Do voracious readers get desensitized to loss and similar emotions because of how many lives, fictitious or otherwise, they connect with and have to repeatedly let go of? Do they start to value human relationship more or less?
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>>9349413
This hasn't been my experience exactly. As I've read more I've developed higher standards and more particular tastes, which has prevented me from enjoying books I might have enjoyed when I was younger. However, when I find a book that meets or exceeds my standards I tend to feel stronger emotions than I felt as a less experienced reader.
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>>9349957
This is actually a fairly nice assessment. I'd add that whatever motivates or influences (you) becomes more abstract, certainly more nebulous, the more (you) read, especially if your interests cover many fields. What better help for a writer?
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>>9349413
i watched enough porn and gore that i stopped having normal human emotions around age 14.

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No critique thread? What do you knobs do all day? Read?

Let's write some shit.
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>writing
gay
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>>9349411
I didn't buy a mechanical keyboard to play games.
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Everyone who posts in these "critique" threads is stupid.
>inb4 you just posted in this thread
My first and last time.

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For genre fiction (basically any non genius writer and non academical works) is better simply to read a couple of chapters and then listen an audiobook or watch the movie?

Or that is too pseud for this board already filled with pseuds?

It's not like I will remember a book beyond some vague shit in my mind.
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>>9349345
How is that pseud?

That's just total pleb, solid shitpost
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>>9349357
I would say there's not point on memorizing genre fiction, so I may as well watch the movie.

What will I lose?

Genre fiction has shit prose and the movies are better anyway.
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>>9349345
If it's plebcore already it really doesn't matter how you're reading or "reading" it, OPie.

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His work is not at all what I expected. I thought reading it would be depressing, but he ended up being funny and even comforting at times. Was this anyone else's experience with him?
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>>9349234
>write one aphorism
>write it again 3000 times, always changing the wording and phrasing

Cioran is bad
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>>9349249
That's part of what made it so funny to me. His pessimism is so repetitive and over-the-top that it becomes farcical.
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>>9349234
Yes, may have accidentally made me miss out on the teenage angst phase

Am I the only one who struggles with and feels exhausted reading some books? I felt particular difficulty trying to read Nausea, as well as Ulysses. It literally makes me feel tired, as though my brain were a muscle, although I am always trying to read difficult literature such as this and it never just becomes something I can plow through without becoming mentally tired.
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>>9349478
Wow I was gonn respond but that bump mde me lose all respect.
Toguh luck kiddo, I could've helped you... heh...
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No anon, that makes sense. I usually have a coupla books being read at the same time. Usually one difficult novel and/or collection of poetry, and when that becomes a bit too much I turn to like a light philosophical novel (think like Kunderra or something) or a non-fiction book. This makes it a wee bit easier
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>>9349022
Depending on how interesting I find the book, this could be a good feeling. Some books are meant to give you dread, which is sort of what the character in Nausea is going through. Not everything should be peachy keen lollypops and rainbows.

sup, /lit/

is there any good literature or treatises about Globalism?
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Lenin's Imperialism

Hardt & Negri's Empire
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I much prefer internationalism
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>>9348973
my diary desu

also mainstream media

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I just saw this on another board
Which one of you did this?
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Well a lot of us have read the (objectively) greatest living SF writer but I don't know who that particular shelf belongs to.
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Pinkyivan most likely
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>>9348847
Someone who should be deeply ashamed. Wolfe deserves solid wood shelving at the very least.

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