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There is no "existentialist" author like him
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There is no author like him period. You can not write in his style, only imitate it poorly.
His entire subjective experience of the world was art, everything about it. This is clear in his letters and his diairies
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Only a few short works and they still have a depth most 400 page novels fail to realize. He's clear and succinct but very rarely in your face and everything can be mulled over again and again.
On top of that he's funny as fuck.
I would be extatic if some lost two page short story written by Kafka was found. I love this fucking guy.
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>>9422727
Supposedly there may be some new notebooks getting dug up in old SS archives or something.

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I don't understand half the shit in this book. A bunch of autistic ancient jews betray each other for no reason every other page, what is happening. Should I just give up and go bac kto being a filthy atheist?
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Just skip to proverbs. There's some real wisdom there.
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Read an annotated study bible that has introductions, historical context, commentaries and essays if you want a good understanding of the content.

Read KJV if you want good prose.

Read both if you want to be patrician.
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>>9422512
What version of the Babile are you reading? Start with the new testament

Really anon? A guy who can't write convincing female characters is your favorite author? I don't understand how you can like someone so limited.
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Name a particular book you have in mind.
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>>9422536
>uses virgin as an insult even when unprovoked
we've got a roastie here, boys.
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>>9422509
I never thought much of Virginia Woolf's male characters. A bunch of stuffed shirts to be desu with the odd author insert in male drag like Septimus.

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Know any good Japanese light novels like Welcome to the NHK?
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>In Japan, "NHK" refers to the public broadcaster Nippon Hōsō Kyōkai, but within the series, the main character believes it stands for Nihon Hikikomori Kyōkai (日本引きこもり協会?, "The Japanese Hikikomori Association"), which is a reference to the protagonist's claim of a subversive conspiracy led by NHK (the real-life broadcaster) to create hikikomori. While it mainly deals with the phenomenon of hikikomori, the plot also explores many other Japanese subcultures—for example: otaku, lolicon, and Internet suicide pacts.
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>>>/jp/
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>>9422460
Yeah it's a great concept and unique story about paranoia and isolation within society. A pretty pomo take.

>In the historical society divided into classes, culture is the general sphere of knowledge and of representations of the lived; which is to say that culture is the power of generalizatioIn the historical society divided into classes, culture is the general sphere of knowledge and of representations of the lived; which is to say that culture is the power of generalization existing apart, as division of intellectual labor and as intellectual labor of division. Culture detaches itself from the unity of the society of myth "when the power of unification disappears from the life of man and when opposites lose their living relation and interaction and acquire autonomy... (Hegel's Treatise on the Differences between the Systems of Fichte and Schelling).n existing apart, as division of intellectual labor and as intellectual labor of division. Culture detaches itself from the unity of the society of myth "when the power of unification disappears from the life of man and when opposites lose their living relation and interaction and acquire autonomy... (Hegel's Treatise on the Differences between the Systems of Fichte and Schelling).

What does Debord mean by unity of the society of myth and how does culture detach itself from that unity?
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>>9422380
You'll have to excuse me, my english is pretty shit and also I'll be checking my translation of the book, but he's pretty much saying that mythological thinking operated in it's own rules outside of the class society, and access to culture then was communal (arguable, but not wrong), but the stratification of culture promoted by modern nation states create the notion of a "offical culture" (this is more part of my reading / study of his oeuvre than the text itself), it creates another way to separate the proletariat from another possibility of production (if only artists produce art, what workers do can't possibly be art and so on).

I gotta re-read tSotS, but keep in mind Debord detourned the whole book, meaning he just took excerpts from other authors and switched words (the first thesis being the first paragraph of The Capital). While as a work of art this is beautiful to me, this often creates very weird situations in the text, so often it helps to go after the original quote, try to understand it and see what Debord changed.

I also suggest you read about vanguard theory, the IS was pretty much the culmination of 60 years of vanguardist thinking and it shows.
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>>9422471
Excellent explanation, thank you
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>>9422508
You're welcome mate, feel free with any other doubts you might have, I fucking love Debord and got nothing else to do today

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I'm about 200 pages into 'Crime and Punishment' and I am loving it.

It is the first book I've read where the protagonist is the antagonist without being an anti hero in the Richard III, Alex Delarge way of being so charismatic that you forgive the character for their awful deeds.

I see the anti hero archetype as an opportunity for the reader to judge whether how they feel about action vs. personality.

But with this, it is very clear from the beginning that this is not a good person and not the kind of person you'd want to be and how you yourself are capable of evil if you allow yourself.

Any other books that are equally despairing?
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You do realize how ironic this is, right?

Should we just rename it "Crime and Punishment (but actually just class warfare)"?

Or maybe "Crime and Punishment, except we're the only ones committing crimes and deserve to be punished"?

Still working on it.
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>>9422364
Haven't finished so I can't say about class warfare, but all I've seen thus far is individual decision making. Roskalnikov kills someone within his own class.

Personal responsibility is a bitch.
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>>9422345
I read this when i was 14, baka.

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From Daniel Ingram's "Mastering the core teachings of the Buddha":

“But there are many valid traditions that do not talk about the Three Characteristics!”
It may appear so, but if the tradition is a valid tradition you will find these teachings in there somehow, in some other language or formulation, as these are the only way. You will find them in the works of Rumi, Kabir and Krishnamurti. You will find them in the Bible and Koran. You will find them in the writings of St. John of the Cross and many other Christian mystics. You will find them in all of the branches of Buddhism. You will find them in the Upanishads. You will find them in the writings of Carlos Castaneda. You will find them wherever you find a true spiritual path, and that is just all there is to it. It can help to consider that to completely understand compassion is to understand suffering and vice versa, as these are really two sides of the same coin. Also, to understand True Self practices is the same as understanding no-self practices, as these are also two sides of the same coin.

What do you think about this? Are nominally distinct religions simply distinct *ritual* traditions while the ultimate truths of the nature of things is identical?
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>>9422299
>>9422299
>You will find them wherever you find a true spiritual path, and that is just all there is to it.

My guess is that this guy would simply call any system that falls outside his description as "not truly spiritual". The whole 'many paths, one truth' thing doesn't hold up to well against something like the Aztec Blood Cult or Esoteric Hitlerism or probably even some things like Bushido, Confucianism or Wahhabism which all preach unquestioning authority to one's superior (generally in the form of an Emperor, at at least your parents).

Comparitive Religion is interesting because it ferrets out the similiarties AND differences between systems of thought. Those who only focus on the similarities are being reductionist and ignoring big differences like human sacrifice.
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>>9422335
>which all preach unquestioning authority to one's superior (generally in the form of an Emperor, at at least your parents).
This should not be a problem because the keys of a valid spiritual tradition (according to his definition, from the buddhist pov) is the gain of insight from the exploration of the three marks of existence: impermanence, suffering, selflessness. Obedience and such things would in this case simply be artifacts, part of the ritualistic religious layer and not of the mystic core. Does esoteric hitlerism explore the three marks in some way, regardless of differences in nomenclature? idk. Maybe. It might be a "valid spiritual path".
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hick

Look under pluralism

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I'm thinking about buying an e-reader so that in-case I will ever move to Europe or another state that I don't have a huge book collection that I need to leave behind or pay gigantic shipping costs for.

And, reading every book I want for free.
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Ereaders are comfy as hell tho
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>>9422273
get a kobo dont get memed by amazon
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Are the older Kindles with the buttons still worth getting? I saw one used and was gonna get it for my parents, since they liked my Paperwhite.

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Is it worth reading in English? I've always heard from Muslims that the only legitimate way to read the Quran is in the original arabic or else it doesn't count. Is there any reasoning to this or are they the equivalent of the translation memers on /lit/ who say that about every non-english book? It seems to me like a cheap way to ignore any criticisms from westeners of their holy book without having to actually defend themselves.
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>>9422267
Well I'll drop my unwanted but related opinion here.
Most of it is 'god is great and the unbelievers will burn in hell forever' with some 'fight for Allah' mixed in.

I was raised a Muslim but reading it gave me the impression Muhammed wrote it solely to recruit soldiers for his empire
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Throw Quran into trash, and go reads something from Rumi, Hafez or Saadi.

Quran makes literally no sense, it follows more like a rambling of mental asylum patient.
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>>9422267
>It seems to me like a cheap way to ignore any criticisms from westeners of their holy book without having to actually defend themselves.
Correct.

Imams all over the world memorize verses of the Qur'an in Arabic and can recite them by memory (the entire book in the case of huffaz) - but do translate them and use said translations to teach and preach Islam from the Qur'an accordingly.

Islam and the Qur'an can be taught in translation, otherwise there would be no non-Arabic Islam and no Islamic clergyman would work on a translation.

Since Islam (usually) claims to be an unversal religion, translations of the Qur'an aren't simply useful tools to achieve its purposes, they are a necessity.

>>9422296
This is a simplification but essentially correct, I would only add REMEMBER MOSES REMEMBER MOSES REMEMBER MOSES repeated endlessly in the Meccan surat.

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What book do I start with?
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>>9422211
i dunno what do you want to start with
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greeks
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>>9422211
que es "Acid dreams" about?
>inb4 acid dreams

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which writer is "your guy"?
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>>9422204
The author of my diary desu
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>>9422204
How can you own someone?
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>>9422218
By attaching your soul to that being. As with all ownership forms.

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>be me
>study trans Latinx postmodern discourse
>write dissertation on "The Dialectics of the Racemic Race-Myth of African/Europ[oor/ean] Symbol-Literature"
>get tenure track professorship at Harvard University
>teach class on African Literatures: The Narrative of Colonialism
>draft syllabus
>Complete Works of Shakespeare

comfy feel lads
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>>9422192
WTF.
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>>9422192
Everytime...
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>>9422281
whos tupac?

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How does it feel to finish a book?
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Bitter-sweet. Sometimes you just want it to go on forever, but you know you need to let it reach its end.
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So sad-good senpai! Really Lit, catch you meme-heads l8ter.
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Sad. For some reason I look forward to the ending, noting my page count and the total number of pages. When it ends I just feel lost

What are some not so heavy books you recommend?
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>>9421887
There is literally no difference between the popular definitions of INTJ and INTP
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>>9421907
The latter are not actually intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor. They only pretend to be.
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>>9421887
>the last 10 books that they have readed
I knew it was bait.

Books you never admit to liking on /lit/
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>>9421778
isn't this thread impossible to make since the book is now something you've admitted to liking? then it doesn't even apply to the list anymore.
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>>9421789
master of logic right here.
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>>9421778
Unironically, Neil Gaiman (Neverwhere, American Gods, Ocean at the end of the Lane, Fragile Things, etc).

Maybe the Dark Materials trilogy too but that's more acceptable here since Philip Pullman isn't an SJW.

I also love everything Cormac McCarthy that I have read so far and I know plenty of people on /lit/ do too but there's a vocal group that keeps spouting "corncobber tortilla YeCarthy spat and rode on" as if that's his complete bibliography. These niggas need to actually read one of his books sometime.

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