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>>9445279
tolstoy didnt respect dosto

dosto admired tolstoy to the point of obsession

Oh wow, I didn't think anyone else had read this.

"But before Marx really took hold of my imagination, one of the books I bought from Progress Publishers was a book by Tolstoy called Resurrection. And it's a book that's very rarely read now. But it really affected me deeply, for a simple reason. The story is about a prince, somebody from an elite background who visits a relative and in the visit rapes or has some sort of sexual encounter with a servant. It's not clear in the novel whether it's consensual or--what is consent, after all? But it's--they have sex. And this woman--then the servant is pregnant, and her life from that minute falls apart.
Now, what's amazing about the novel Resurrection is that this prince is the best kind of person, and he tries his best to help her. In fact, at one point she is sent off to the Gulag. You know, the tsar's courts condemn her to Siberia. And he rides his horse alongside the Gulag train, you know, as they are walking in their caravan, and he wants to help, and she keeps telling him, get out of my life, because you can't help me.
And what that novel--you know, and of course he can't help her. But what that novel demonstrated to me very powerfully, much more powerfully than, you know, English fiction, much more powerfully, was the futility of even the best liberal person. You know, you just--your good intentions just cannot help you get out of the mess that the world is in. That really affected me deeply, that however well-intentioned you are, however many blankets you hand out to people, however nice you are to people of different class backgrounds, your personal good sense, your personal character is not going to help us transform the hideous atrocities that happen in the world, and often the hideous atrocities that happen because of things we do, not knowing that we're doing something hideous."

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>>9445285
>tolstoy didnt respect dosto

Yes I'm aware of this. It is strange though how both authors wrote books about finding God through punishment in the most literal sense (prison).

Dostos take is more about the personal human experience, which is what he is always interested in, when Tolstoy chooses to critique contemporary Russian society.

>>9445186
indefinitely

>Learn under Thales
>Teach Pythagoras
>Prescribe to Multiple Worlds Theory
>Come up with Evolution 550BC
>2500y later an Indonesian Fish-Massage board calls you a Pseud
I wonder what the ancient Greek would say to this

>>9445642
>Prescribe to
That word does not mean what you think it means.

Notes From Underground, Pevear & Volokhonsky
It's not the /r9k/ anthem you've been memed into believing it is
This is, of course, assuming your misanthropy arises from a disillusionment with society, and not some gross failure of society itself during your formative years.
If that is the case, Seamus Heaney's Beowulf (not essential, but worth reading on its own merit) followed by John Gardner's Grendel with a reading guide.

Orthodoxy by G. K. Chesterton helped me a bunch, maybe you'll get something out of it.

Not lit, but I would recommend Bergman's "Winter Light".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QfBziHXUR24

http://reverseshot.org/archive/entry/1068/winter_light

>>9445149
Read the play, then watch the production.

You cannot do both at once.

>>9445331
This. And why do people read plays. As a fan of reading, I perosnally prefer watching a play. It's the way it was supposed to consumed.

>>9445345
>And why do people read plays

To appreciate the language and style, like anything else.

>supposed

Plays were written before they were performed.

>>9445115
You missed out the most important part
>and then I woke up

>>9445115
so when do they start clapping?

gosh you're so cool anon, what kind of music do you listen to?

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>>9445114
Wow...he seems like a modern day Bashō

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Its odd really, he wasn't really into religion nor politics but he started picking up these kind of books when he came back, I'm not sure when the change in his personality happened but after a year or so of him being away he just showed up out of the blue like nothing happened.

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>>9445074

Yeah, I especially like the part where he turns shit around so that his "ghosts" are practically begging him to stop by the time the book gets going. Its interesting to see that dynamic, where he has absolutely no pity or remorse in the face of what he is subjected to. I find it funny that the ghosts go on to threaten to kill him, when they could just force him to leave lol. All they can do while he is progressing is taunt him on a single shortcoming that he doesn't even care about.

Anyone else read the book? Any thoughts?

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>>9445087

lol

>>9445087
Kys

>>9444976
>implying culture only exists in front of a camera

unspook yourself, kiddo

>>9444980
Thanks for exemplifying my point.

Not only do you misinterpret Stirner but you use it as a momentary pathetic attempt to one up another instead of having a meaningful conversation or one that will provide you with new modes/ways of thinking.

You are the very cancer that will be exterminated on the day of the rope.

>>9444993
Also, check em, retard

3.1
The Two Gentlemen of Verona (1589–1591)
3.2
The Taming of the Shrew (1590–1591)
3.3
Henry VI, Part 2 (1591)
3.4
Henry VI, Part 3 (1591)
3.5
Henry VI, Part 1 (1591–1592)
3.6
Titus Andronicus (1591–1592)
3.7
Richard III (1592–1593)
3.8
Edward III (1592–1593)
3.9
The Comedy of Errors (1594)
3.10
Love's Labour's Lost (1594–1595)
3.11
Love's Labour's Won (1595–1596)
3.12
Richard II (1595)
3.13
Romeo and Juliet (1595)
3.14
A Midsummer Night's Dream (1595)
3.15
King John (1596)
3.16
The Merchant of Venice (1596–1597)
3.17
Henry IV, Part 1 (1596–1597)
3.18
The Merry Wives of Windsor (1597)
3.19
Henry IV, Part 2 (1597–1598)
3.20
Much Ado About Nothing (1598–1599)
3.21
Henry V (1599)
3.22
Julius Caesar (1599)
3.23
As You Like It (1599–1600)
3.24
Hamlet (1599–1601)
3.25
Twelfth Night (1601)
3.26
Troilus and Cressida (1600–1602)
3.27
Sir Thomas More (1592–1595; Shakespeare's involvement, 1603–1604)
3.28
Measure for Measure (1603–1604)
3.29
Othello (1603–1604)
3.30
All's Well That Ends Well (1604–1605)
3.31
King Lear (1605–1606)
3.32
Timon of Athens (1605–1606)
3.33
Macbeth (1606)
3.34
Antony and Cleopatra (1606)
3.35
Pericles, Prince of Tyre (1607–1608)
3.36
Coriolanus (1608)
3.37
The Winter's Tale (1609–1611)
3.38
Cymbeline (1610)
3.39
The Tempest (1610–1611)
3.40
Cardenio (1612–1613)
3.41
Henry VIII (1612–1613)
3.42
The Two Noble Kinsmen (1613–1614)

>>9444967
Julius Caesar is a good one. R&J, Richard III, and the Comedy of Errors/Midsummer Night's Dream are also good start points for your first Shakespeare.

I haven't read that particular edition of Julius Caesar but since it's Norton I figure it's very good.

>>9444967
Probably the best place to start IMO

All hobbit women are dirty little whores. Tolkien even said so numerous times in interviews and it was his last words as he died "Rosie cucked Sam"

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>>9444948
I don't think it was technically cuckoldry, since the marriage was a sham to convince the Gaffer that Sam wasn't actually in mad love with Frodo. The sticking of the finger in the ring and then becoming invisible... not very subtle.

>>9444948
Is there something wrong with being a slut? Is only one gender allowed to self-actualize?

OP is a permacuck with a smaller-than-hobbit-sized weewee. Fascists btfo.

>>9444937
I love Brian Eno. Sorry nothing to contribute.

>music
>art

People always want to talk about /lit/ songwriters but Eno actually is one and gets no respect.

When I got back home I found a message on the door
Sweet Regina's gone to China crosslegged on the floor
Of a burning jet that's smoothly flying:
Burning airlines give you so much more

How does she intend to live when she's in far Cathay?
I somehow can't imagine her just planting rice all day
Maybe she will do a bit of spying
With micro-cameras hidden in her hair

I guess Regina's on the plane, a Newsweek on her knees
While miles below her the curlews call from strangely stunted trees
The painted sage sits just as though he's flying;
Regina's jet disturbs his wispy beard

When you reach Kyoto send a postcard if you can
And please convey my fond regards to Chih-Hao's girl Yu-Lan
I heard a rumour they were getting married
But someone left the papers in Japan
Left them in Japan, left them in Japan...

Là-bas

>>9444871
THE APOCALYPSE OF ST. JOHN THE APOSTLE

>>9444884
>implying St. John wrote Revelation

ma foi...

Here I am

>actively browsed
explain

Verified list of writers who have visited 4chan:
Tao Lin
Pynchon
Shteyngart
Eggxxx
Review Brah
Coover (I am Coover's nephew and have shown him)

>>9444731
Why do you have to categorise her as the best? Why not just say you like her?

Stop being intentionally confrontational.

FUCKING WHITE MALES !!!!

not really, alot of her stuff is derivative of Alexnader Pope

>>9444702
Not if you have attained said woman

>>9444702
>writing about one of the most intense emotional experiences a person can have
>beta

>>9444702
Only objects or dead people are worthy of adulation, because they are unchangeable. Whatever ideal of a man or woman you build up in your mind, they will inevitably fail to live up to it and be sullied.