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Where does one start with existentialism?

Reddit recommended "Gordon Marino's Basic Writings of Existentialism"
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Read The Stranger. It's really easy, I literally finished it in a day and I struggle to read very fast at all.
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>>9447859
Ecclesiastes and Camus' The Fall are probably good.

>reddit

I want my /lit/ back, where even mentioning your first goto is that pleb-hole shut a thread down.
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test

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I'm running a DnD campaign, but instead of the big bad guy being bad for the sake of bad, I want him to have a reason fro being bad that is valid enough to make my players question whether or not the big bad should be killed at all. I'm looking for some examples of villains that were not just right, but had valid reasoning for being bad, can anyone give me some examples of villains like that so I can go look them up and get their full story?

In exchange, I have a picture of a cool rock.
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>>9447834
I looked at your rock but will contribute nothing to your thread.
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>>9447834
Ask yourself when making the character:
>Whats his goals
>Whats his upbringing been like? Strict? Loose?
>What does he have to loose?
>Is he just protecting his people?
>Is it out of love?
>Is he attempting to get revenge on someone or something from a past event?
Just stuff to think about, I suck at writing but I tend to understand where you're coming from. Making a believable villain is a hard thing to do, it jut takes practice and trial and error
>pic unrelatedish
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ask /v/
you're obviously not going to read entire books, so go someplace that you can find fanwikis for their characters

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Considering buying this. I've read that in terms of the style of writing, Lowry is like a midpoint between Hemingway and Nabokov, who happen to be my two favorite writers. Would you say that's accurate?
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>>9447812
>Nabokov
don't see it
>Hemingway
yeah
He's good. Under the Volcano is one of my favorite books. Don't get discouraged by the first chapter.
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>>9447812
I purchased this book happily at an estate sale, and have attempted to read it about 3 times. It is unrelentingly boring, and doesnt even have the suicidal alcoholism I expected.
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>>9447832
that said:

>Don't get discouraged by the first chapter

I did all three times.

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Can anyone else not stand this man's writing/criticism?

He's in a couple of forewords in books I own, and I have read a decent amount of his own critical works.

All he does is compare on author to older authors, go off on tangents about anecdotes to do with the author, and then state which works he thinks are the "strongest".

It seems like he's just flexing his literary knowledge instead of providing any criticism of substance.
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>>9447788
I have ignored all of his academic work and used him like some cuck would use a buzzfeed "best of" list.
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>>9447788
Bloom matters more in spirit than he does in reality, its not about his opinions its about his gravitas to use as a compass
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I've only read The Invention of the Human and seen a few of his talks.

The former was fairly interesting, but not particularly illuminating. He does seem to only provide an immediate, sometimes purely emotional response to the plays he's addressing without substantiating it with anything else. An argument in itself for interdisciplinary reading. Though he is a great proponent of aesthetics over critical theory, his aesthetic readings seem limp.

In his talks he says almost nothing of value. Just reels off about being "an old Gnostic," or goes on about how there is something undefinable about Whitman which he adored but can't express. He has a great talent for speaking a lot but saying very little.

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everyone makes favorite word posts, but my favorite part of those threads is writing down all the cool words that i can find in them that i didn't know. so, itt: we teach each other cool words that we probably didn't know.

i'll start with a word i learned last thread. (i know all of you already know this because you are a lot smarter than everyone else)

hosanna - an expression of adoration, praise, or joy.

in hebrew and arabic (probably more semitic languages, i don't know the rest), on a verb, you attach NA to the end if WE are doing it, it is a pronoun attached to the end of a verb, essentially. in hebrew hosa means pray, so, in hebrew, this literally means "we pray". cool!
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ho - your mom
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>>9447685
How pretentious is it to use newly invented words that haven't even been accepted by any dictioary yet?
http://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/page/3
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porco dio - a typical venetian expression of anger

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>tfw you stop reading "literature" and finally start reading for fun
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>tfw reading "literature" is fun because you're not a moron
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>tfw you give up on that and watch kardasians.
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>he has more unread books than read in his bookshelf
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>>9447399
It means he hasn't got around to reading them all, spergpai.
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>>9447435
wew, lad
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The writer Umberto Eco belongs to that small class of scholars who are encyclopedic, insightful, and nondull. He is the owner of a large personal library (containing thirty thousand books), and separates visitors into two categories: those who react with “Wow! Signore professore dottore Eco, what a library you have! How many of these books have you read?” and the others — a very small minority — who get the point that a private library is not an ego-boosting appendage but a research tool. Read books are far less valuable than unread ones. The library should contain as much of what you do not know as your financial means, mortgage rates, and the currently tight real-estate market allows you to put there. You will accumulate more knowledge and more books as you grow older, and the growing number of unread books on the shelves will look at you menacingly. Indeed, the more you know, the larger the rows of unread books.

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Hello /lit ive never been a big reader but i want too start, can you point me in the right direction?
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>>9447387
Sam Harris ''The Moral Landscape'' is a perfect introduction to ethics and morality and their related philosophical debates.
You should also try leading psychologist Jordan Peterson's ''Map of Meaning'', a neo-Jungian-Nietzscheian account of the contemporary human condition, and a deep and insightful analysis of the philosophies that arised from such a condition.
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>>9447387
Do you have any particular interests?
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>>9447387
Unfortunately if you are an adult there's little you can do to increase your height.
You could try to increase mass by eating more calories and expending less if that floats your boat

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Have you got any journal?

I've got one diary, one series of notebook for definitions of suggestive words (27 so far, I've kept it for 7 years now), a series of notebooks in which I write thoughts about what I'm currently reading (31 so far) and nother one for ways of saying and sentences that I come up with (mostly new ways of saying and lots of rethoric figures).

What are you writing, apart from your pet novel?
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You're reading 31 books currently?
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>>9447282
no he has 31 notebooks about the readings
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>>9447303
Why does he need 31 notebooks for one or two books

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What's /lit/'s opinion on China Miéville and his books? A friend of mine, who is both extremely smart and an avid reader, loves China Miéville, but I've never read any of his books.

Suggestions and opinions please, I'm quite curious.
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>>9447231
>Suggestions

Ask your friend.

>opinions please

Read your friend's suggestions and come back for ours later.
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>>9447231

He is a professor and I am afraid my interest in his favorite author will make it seem like I am trying to suck up and impress.

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Hey /lit/, I'm looking for something that fits into the criteria of gritty, dark Americana that has a strong sense of place (exactly where that is doesn't matter, could be Alaska or the South) and involves the seedier, decayed elements of people that are reflected in the surroundings. I'm well-familiar with major southern gothic writers, and while I like that style, I'm looking for something a little more contemporary, preferably 20th century. Thanks in advance.
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>>9447121
A Fan's Notes. Fred Exley.
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>>9447121
Dog of The South by Charles Portis, if you don't mind it being wickedly funny too
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City on Fire, by Garth Risk Hallberg.

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>buy a Plato collection of all of his dialogues
>read the introduction
>apparently I can't really understand Plato's dialogues without having a solid grasp on his Oral doctrines, which where mostly mystical, intuition-based mathematical dimostrations of the most important principles of his philosophy (One and Duality)

So... what am I supposed to learn from it? Should I just read it as a great example of rethorics and ancient literary composition? To what extent should I take him seriously.

Here's a quote by Goethe on the matter (sorry for the bad translation, both my English and German are not that good):
>Surely, whoever could tell us what men like Plato stated seriously, jokingly or half-jokingly, and what they've said with actual convinction, or simply as a way of saying, would render a extraordinary service and would bring an infinitely valuable contribution to our culture (Goethes Werke, XXXII, p. 140)
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>>9447120
Just read about Ancient Greek History before going into Platonism and you'll be in the clear. If you google "Ancient Greek History PDF" the first link will be a decent way for you contextualize future readings on this matter.
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>>9447120
Most people argue that you need to start with the Greeks. This is only half true: you should start with a general book about western philosophy (one that reviews all the major philosophers and philosophical topics within their context). This book will generally start with reviewing the Greeks, after briefly analysing what philosophy actually is.
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>>9447120
These principles only become apparent in his later, more difficult works. You don't need to read Timaeus and Parmenides in order to understand Euthyphro and Apology. You work your way up to them and then reconsider what you've read once you've finished his corpus.

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Logic or aesthetics - which one is more fundamental to human nature? Which one is the extension of another?
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>>9447101
Read Kant (its logic)
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aesthetics
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Aesthetic, of course

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>invite beautiful, sexy, vivacious college-educated woman back to my loft for sex
>realize I forgot to hide my Game of Thrones books
>she probably thinks I'm pleb

Who else knows this feel?
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honesty is the best policy

>not using wits and guts

blood sweat and tears
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>>9447023
That's what you get for not leaving your bringing your emergency copy of Schopenhauer. Learn from this anon.
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Can confirm.
Having a big dick alleviates the situation though.

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I'm reading Athanasius and other early Christian church fathers and am beginning to think maybe Christ really was all he's cracked up to be?

used to have no trouble thinking it was all made up but am losing my faith in skepticism. help me, fellow agnostifags

also, itt: discuss historical figures with an abundance of related writing and followers who we also "don't believe in." Socrates?
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Help guys I'm actively reading propaganda and now I'm believing it??
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now you should the Gospel of Mark and Helen Waddell's Desert Fathers, then Augustine's Confessions

then Blake

don't let doctrinaire christfags take the joy out of thinking in new ways by turning it into an us vs. them thing for you, and don't feel obligated to "sign on" to any doctrine or subordinate your feeling that there's something more to the world

it's the feeling that counts, even (actually, especially) if you can't quite put your finger on it
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>>9446978
thanks for the reply. have read the desert fathers and augustine already, but they didn't have the effect on me that Athanasius and Symeon the New Theologian have recently.

I think the problem I have is that I _do_ feel obligated to follow the scent of truth, even if it leads (yuck) to organized religion (probably Eastern Orthodoxy)... but I appreciate your warning against partisan thinking, I totally agree. The last time I had this feeling was reading Shankara and the Upanishads, so I doubt I'll ever be able to shut out 'outside' influences -- truth is everywhere, even if we humans are notoriously bad at recognizing it

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