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Where does the meme that the older the book is the better it is come from? Like people look at me and try to argue that Gilgamesh is legitimately a well-written story instead of just being neat because of how old it is
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>>9453679
>why something that has withstand the pass of time and still well regarded is good
jeez i dont know you fucking MONGO
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Stupid, stupid frogposter.
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inb4 old books that are regarded as great deserve it

Out of the literal millions of books written in history, not every book warrants a 400th year reprinting, and if I can be bold enough to say it none of the books published in the last ~60 years would deserve one either

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>tfw too drunk to read
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kill ya self fool
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>>9453656
>Too drunk to read
>Not too drunk to read
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>>9453666
>Too read to drunk

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Future literature experts will refer to 1991-2050 as the post cold war era, with trends such as nihilism being rampant. Pick related and rick and morty will be used to summarize our generation. How does that make you feel, fags?

Also, Bob Dylan will be the greatest author of the 21st century.
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>>9453596
>its another "contemporary literature is dead" thread by someone who doesnt read contemporary literature
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I plan on being known as a writer who fucked off and did his own thing, which in its own way was brilliant but which wasn't really connected to the trends of the era, at least beyond the simple osmosis that comes from being immersed in said era.
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lol if you think the end of the cold war was somehow significant compared to all the events from 1991-2050, you got another thing coming, buddy.

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What the fuck was his problem?
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>>9453548
>it's this thread again
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Depression
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>>9453548
What the fuck is your problem?

Is it normal, or common, to simply not understand some authors/books?

I really enjoy Russian literature, it's profound, touching yet incredibly easy to read and comprehend, requiring no constant meditation about every phrase that was just read. Gogol, for instance, is my equivalent of a movie or a video-game, since even when I'm thinking about something entirely different while reading I still comprehend it perfectly. However, most books don't work like that for me. In Swann's Way, for instance, I have to constantly reread phrase after phrase because I didn't understand, or if an expression sounds out of context. But I can manage it. But with some books - such as The Divine Comedy - there are some parts I simply don't understand, even after reading it dozens of times. Goethe's Faust wasn't as hard, but even when I paid attention closely to every expression, I'd lose some bits, like the part where he murders Margarita's brother. I only realized that ACTS after.

And I simply can't understand Kant. Four pages into Critique of Pure Reason, and I get lost in a major point because I have no idea of why he used a word that ruined the whole context and was completely unnecessary. After that I didn't understand anything at all, probably due to that sudden word.

Is this a common problem?
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start with the greeks
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>>9453434
This board has a glaring flaw in that it can not distinguish between wisdom and intelligent. What you say you are seeing in Russian literature is wisdom. But something such as The Divine Comedy is intelligent. The Russian literature is wise because it is basal; it's a real human experience beset with insights and guidance. You don't need a reference because you are the reference. Whereas Alighieri wrote intelligently because his text was based off another text considered to the One reference. So it doesn't focus on you, but the ideas and implications of life outside of your control. It's theoretical, riddled with allusions to other theoretical allusions all relying on the fact that you know them. And that is an intelligence. So yes while being keen to one over the other may imply you aren't intelligent, it's only within the realm of intelligence itself, if that makes sense. Because you are keen still on the Russian literature, and that means you are not unintelligent. Your 'intelligence' in one of an inherent nature. Which is to brings us back around to you being wise over intelligent. Again, not a negative thing. Can't stress that enough; today's day and age has destroyed the concept of intelligence.
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>>9453487
Lol.

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I need to give a high school class on medieval philosophy.
However, this is the era that I most do not know and encounter more difficult to offer something that is interesting and palatable.
Could anyone suggest anything to me?
A text, a video that you think would be stimulating for disinterested young people?
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Have them read Name of the Rose
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>>9453390
just go for the drunken anecdotes about the philosophers instead. that ought to get their attention.
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>>9453390
C.S. Lewis wrote a book on it called The Discarded Image. Check it out.

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So, I've always been fascinated in con artists and the like. This goes back years to when I first started to learn about conspiracy theories. One thing that I've always been confused about are the con artists who believe their own game.

So, take Alex Jones for instance. I don't think he doesn't believe what he says, on the contrary, I think he believes every word that he says. It's his web store that brings him to mind, and how a great amount of his products are obviously preying on people who are far worse off than he is when it comes to critical thinking skills. Other examples are televangelists, prosperity gospel preachers, etc. People who BELIEVE in their product, but still engage in very obvious con artistry.

And that brings me to my question. Are there any books about the psychology of con artists, especially of the type that I've mentioned? I'm not interested in learning tricks, or reading autobiographies, I want to know more about the subject as a whole.
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>>9453249
>Alex Jones
>con artist
Alex Jones is one of the greatest philosophers of our time, and will be remembered long after we are dead.
>A humble water filter salesman born in Florence, Italy, he devoted his life to uncovering the mysterious forces that drive society. Although mostly eschewed by the people of his time, his works have since been recognized for the masterpieces they are, and are now taught in college classrooms across the country.
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I recall reading an article that said that compulsive liars will eventually believe their own lies.
The guess was that to avoid stress, detection and extra work, the brain starts handling the situation more efficiently.
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>>9453249
Zizek talks about this, he calls it "Fetishist Disavowal". He characterizes it as "I know very well, but...", a tendency to compartmentalize part of your knowledge and behave as if it wasn't so.

It's also related to "Belief through another", that is that no one believes sincerely, but believes because they know someone else who believes the same thing. This is key to 'gas lighting', if you can isolate someone and convince them that they're the wrong, they'll start taking on false beliefs.

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How hyped are you for the new printing of women and men coming this summer from dzanc books? I have heard people say that mcelroy calls upon mythos laid out in his previous novels. Is it imperative to read them all? Ive ordered a few but they are hard to find.
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>>9453198
>Is it imperative
>imperative

*tips*
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>>9453205
Top meme lad
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>>9453205
Kys

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>greeks
>not gay
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being gay is the ultimate anti-women redpill
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>>9453177
greeks were hella gay. their gods even got down with some dick
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>>9453177
Lesbos is in Greece.

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What are your thoughts on David Berlinski and his books?
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>>9453135
>Berlinski is a secular Jew
We are redpilled here, kid. We're against atheists and semites. Time you realized your time is over
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>>9453150
if memory serves me right he declared himself agnostic, so he ain't atheistic
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>>9453157
>Berlinski says he is skeptical of evolution for a number of reasons, including the appearance "at once" of an astonishing number of novel biological structures in the Cambrian explosion, the lack of major transitional fossils transitional sequences, the lack of recent significant evolution in sharks, the evolution of the eye, and the failure of evolutionary biology to explain various phenomena ranging from the sexual cannibalism of redback spiders to why women are not born with a tail.[11] The article was described by historian of science Ronald L. Numbers as "a version of ID theory."
Atheists BTFO

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fuck me shit up /lit/

>neet
>only studying
>lurk /lit/ every single day
>read 2~4 hours every single day
>started with the greeks up to the odissey
>have read ulysses and other major works and loved every bit of it
>reading the bible and about to start with the greek plays
>get an internship
>stop lurking /lit/ and start lurking /fit/ more regularly
>stop reading completely

how to cope with this /lit/? how do I come back to my solid reading habit?
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>>9453105
reminder to sage and report these worthless frog faggot threads
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>>9453112
oi thats plain rude
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>>9453115
Instead of spending hours every day ranting about women and minorities online and posting frogs, read books.
It's that simple, you vile excuse of a human being. Delete your pathetic 'le epic frog man Pepe xD'-folder right now and close the 'woman hate'-thread tab

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So what went wrong on this? Why did it not end up being the new post-modern Ulysses style classic?
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>>9453086
because the author is a comic book manchild
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>>9453086
The second part.
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>>9453090
Lmao this. I could never take it seriously. It probably has inflated reviews from watchmen fans and shit

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What does /lit/ think of this? Is it worth it?
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>>9452962
>a women
>self-help
>about nonwhite culture
>best seller

eh... are you sure you should be browsing 4chan, kiddo?
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>>9452970
i m 32
if you think Nietzsche is the pinnacle of (anti)civilization, wait till you turn 17
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bumping for interest

look, be pretentious all you want, i m just curious if this helped someone tidy up their workspace. i m sure its no kusamakura or city of god or what have you.

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Are you ever upset that you'll never be a pre-20th-century nobleman with a wonderful library full of aesthetic bookcases and even more aesthetic volumes?

I look at my own bookshelf and I'm reminded of my own peasantry.
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We can see you're a peasant by the way you speak and the dreams you dream.
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No, because my general quality of life and access to information is several orders of magnitude higher than anyone pre-20th century
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>>9452954
>Are you ever upset that you'll never be a pre-20th-century nobleman with a wonderful library full of aesthetic bookcases and even more aesthetic volumes?
no

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>hasn't read the pinnacle of modernism because she's overshadowed by the memery of Pound (who spent his life trying to catch-up to her early work)
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>>9452575
were against women here (were redpilled)
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>>9452575
>muh feminist revisionism
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>>9452575

doolittle is honestly fucking garbage don't pretend for cred

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