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Tell me about the importance of dialogue in a story.
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>said OP, clumsily
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>>9489217
Personally, I believe it's terribly overrated. It's hard to write good dialogue so it's a good indicator whether someone is a good writer, but I still always find dialogue to be the weakest part of almost everything I read.

If the book market wasn't 90% women the rules would probably change a lot.
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>>9489217
It's what makes Shakespeare great, and he's the greatest.

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Best books/novels in the absurdist genre?
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>>9489033
Aristophanes deserves more love around here. His plays are 1000+ years old and they're still funny.

The Birds and The Assemblywomen are pretty good, would recommend.
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>>9489067
>>9489067
>Aristophanes
2scat4me
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>>9489033
If you're not baiting with some notion that Kafka doesn't fit the absurdist definition, (irreal, er, really sweet stuff though). I'll blat.

Daniil Kharms "Today I Wrote Nothing" should be picked up now. Not because it's the best, but because they are Russian. I also love Gogol's Nose, because it is a very Ukrainian nose.

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Back in the day there was a good mag. called: "Bust Down The Door And Eat All The Chickens." Now you'll get some decent shit from Lazy Fascist Press. "Animal Money" is decent. Most bizzaro cheese is sad and not stinky like that French feet smell. Camus is soft blue gooey summer day sweaty shoes.

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I'd consider "Rabbit, Run" by Updike to be an absurdist novel. But then I don't ascribe to the tenets of those who believe in keeping Absurdist lit in a box without holes. Air and sunshine for creatures is best to keep them alive, as well as plenty of grass.

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Why aren't the 'classics' held to the same standard of quality as other literature? What even is a 'classic', and why are some old books included while others aren't?
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If anything, genre is held to a lesser standard than clasiscis
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>>9488873
A classic is a book that has been held in high regard due to its influence on later writers and its readers, and in some cases it can also have a positive impact on certain regions (obvious example, but people visiting London solely to follow the fictitious footsteps of Sherlock Holmes). Books will be considered as worthy of "classic" status if it's seen as an important contribution to literature/literary fiction. This can be due to it having a well-structured narrative (Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men or The Grapes of Wrath), important, universal themes (Orwell's 1984, Dostoevsky's Crime & Punishment), sublime prose (James Joyce's Ulysses, Melville's Moby Dick, Virginia Woolf's To The Lighthouse) and even an appropriate sense of pacing (Yukio Mishima's whole bibliography). A classic novel can often incorporate all of these elements exceptionally, the author showing a true understanding of their craft.

Books within the literary canon are also a good example of classics, but not only do they implement prose, themes, narrative and pacing to their best ability, but many early classic texts are representative of early civilisations and what would later become the civilisation we currently live in.

Some books are classified as classics due to their importance (albeit that significance may fade with certain classics as they age, depending on who you ask regarding which classics). Other books aren't included because they're probably not to the same standard. Or they're just shit.
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>What even is a 'classic', and why are some old books included while others aren't?
"Classics" is indeed a very unclear term, if not meaningless altogether. I'd rather have it discarded or defined much more precisely. In my country the equivalent word for it is practically never used and we're doing just fine.

If I drink absinthe and beat women, will I be as good a writer as Hemingway?
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You forgot to swear eternal loyalty to Stalin
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>>9488817
It wouldn't hurt to try
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Beating women is frowned upon in our society. Only those of the lowest social order actively engage in it because they are immune to the exigencies of social status which demands certain behaviours and forbids others. If you do manage as a likely educated, professional person to engage in beating women, it'll symbolize your own triumph over the social order, and if you do triumph over the social order, yes, you are more likely to possess the guts and nuts necessary to write a great work. I've been beating my girlfriend for two weeks now and I feel far more literary for it. Give it a go.

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Is there such a thing as the common good?

Any political theory critical of individualism and the rule of particular interest seems to presuppose some sort of "common good" which individual interests are to be subordinated under. Be it Aristotle's koinei sympheron, Aquinas' bonum commune, Rousseau's volonté générale, fascism's national interest, communism's class interest or similar constructs.

Now to me all these things sound like abstractions without any actual content. What is in the common interest is largely arbitrary and mostly enforced by some form of authority, be it the government, the church, political leaders, etc. This again means the rule of particular interest.

Could someone point me to some literature which attempts to solve this problem or just share their thoughts? Have I just read too much Stirner?
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>>9488285
Do unto other that which you would have done unto you. You would get more out of studying psychology if you actually gave two shits about this topic. It is absolutely pointless to try to infer what the common good is from various authors on what their intuition was.

also, go to reddit underageb&. Your kind aren't welcome here.
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>>9488295
>You would get more out of studying psychology if you actually gave two shits about this topic

Could you elaborate?

>go to reddit underageb&. Your kind aren't welcome here.

What on earth prompted this reaction? Did I trigger you by calling common good a spook?
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>>9488285
>Is there such a thing as the common good?

The common good is the best situation for everybody. People differ in their beliefs of what this is and how it can be achieved.

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Is there a better feeling in the world than cracking the spine of a new book?
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>>9488243
>not reading barely opening the book to not crack the spine.
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>>9488248
Dubs check'm

also kek lmao i dun laughed so friggin hard hahaha. unironically ovencourse m9
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>>9488266
This. I read books so that one of the covers stand proudly in the air at a 90 degree angle.

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I'm a black girl, but I want to be the next john green. Is my gender and race going to help me at all?
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Have you ever had a blowjob?
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>I'm a black girl, but I want to be the next john green. Is my gender and race going to help me at all?
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>I'm a black
>girl
>Is my gender and race going to help me at all?

Do you live in a first world, white country? If so: yes. Worst case scenario/if you're a hack just write a "It sho' is hard livin' 'round Honkeyville" type book and you'll be sitting in every late night show guest chair being patted on the back in no time.
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>>9488205
First reply best post

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Anyone know about any books on the worlds governments being matriarchal? Also, would being subjugated by beautiful women be a bad thing?
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Any good books about reddit nine thousand remaining on their board?
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>>9487679
I have no idea what you are talking about
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>>9487672
Matriarchal does not mean only beautiful women, op.

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"am I ME? or am I the amalgamation of others? Is there any true self? Or are we as a society just one giant organization?"

What books will answer this question
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The ONLy answer to that question is a shotgun ----> to the head !! BLAOW
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Descartes
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read gombrowicz and What about Me?: the struggle for identity in a market-based society

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Is this Tumblr: The Novelisation?
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No, it's a fun fantasy trilogy.
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>>9487462

It precedes Tumblr?
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>>9487476
Can the state of being Tumblr precede Tumblr?

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give me books on the running of libertarian/libertarian socialist societies
i don't want rhetoric about why the state is bad, i want to see the proposed alternative and how life in a libertarian utopia might ideally function
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>>>/wsr/
if you reply to this thread after my post you are a poseur
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Well after capitalism is destroyed humans will just naturally revert to a peaceful utopia. We don't have to propose an alternative, because humans are just innately good and it's only capitalism that makes them do harmful things to each other.
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>>9487479
This is actually really clever. It's a subtle way of planting a seed of dissonance in the mind of a leftist by hinting to the inherently religious nature of the socialist worldview.

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How come Catholics are the greatest writers?
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>>9487277
Because they went through rigorous education and are genuinely passionate about what they write.
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Mixture of gay sex, legalism, and shame.
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This thread doesn't deserve more than two replies tops, but it'll probably hit 300 knowing the state of the board

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Any good forums to engage in thoughtful, critical discussion of literature?

/r/books is pathetic. /r/literature is occasionally good but infrequent posts. /lit/ is subconscious meming, conscious meming, and basically a meme of itself.

I'm out of university. I miss the challenge of those discussions.
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What kind of person would rat out an internet locale such as that on weaponized twitter?
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tbb
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>>9487200
Make friends, then, you fucking loser.

Is ambition the most parasitic normie meme of all time?
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>isn't striving for some goal, purpose, or ideal for excellence dumb?
>please validate my life guys
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Without ambition there is no way that you can become even decent in anything.

I have nothing but contempt for lazy nobodies who hate on the people who actually do and produce in the world. Get fucked.
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>>9487195
Stop listening to Radiohead

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Huh? What happened here?

Why did 50 people decide to add Anna Kavan's 'Ice' to their to-read list on Goodreads this past Friday? I know there's that anime that talks about it, but that came out months ago... What's with the sudden interest in Ice?
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>>9487169
There was an extremely popular reddit post from a website "50 cult classic novels" or something like that. This book was listed on there.
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>>9487423
>actually unironically knowing about what goes on on reddit
Fuck off
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>>9487169
Here's the post

https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/69d415/50_essential_cult_novels

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