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when the fuck is loveisover going to fix their archive?
Don't forget as much ammo as you can get
Don't forget bottle water
Don't forget rice kept in an air tight bucket
Don't forget as much canned food as possible
Don't forget iodine pills
Don't forget antibiotics and a scalpel to perform a castration on yourself
Don't forget estrogen
WHERE ARE YOU HIDING THE PRE-CUM SOAKED DICKS!!!
>tfw no bf at all
Yeah, I've thought about carrying a rainbow Karambit because it's kinda pretty and a knife might be handy. I'm just better off running anyway.
I dunno actually, I just figure out west in the desert we might avoid a nuke because who would nuke a huge empty landscape over some of the US's better targets
Moap promised her naked feet but she hasn't delivered
You can buy properties as large as 100k acres+ in Montana, seeing as only a million people live there. Its the perfect prepper/doomsday hideout state, and its beautiful as well.
>been wearing just a sweater with no t-shirt for the past week
>no one has said anything
>tfw summer might be saved
why has no one said anything about this before? its so much more comfyu in all possible ways
>tfw wear baggy sweaters and get away without wearing a bra
Only when I'm done with them, it's gonna be a long night :3
Like I said, I'm better off running. I don't know a thing about defending myself with my hands or knife. Once I can carry a gun then maybe I could stand my ground. I'm more likely to kill myself, though.
Montana it is, wow this place looks pretty
Well, if he's willing to still be your friend, I bet you can find someone who's willing to be your bf too~
That means never ;~;
I'll go back to fantasising then
It's a paradise and the last bastion of an almost wild west like scene with very relaxed and minimal laws.
>I don't know a thing about defending myself with my hands or knife. Once I can carry a gun then maybe I could stand my ground
What are you, european, or Californian?
It's OK, I'll be finished with them in the morning. I'll FedEx the remaining dick to ausland
I'm gonna try to go /fa/ - FtM edition, should be cool and baggy enough
>tfw will never have a bf because can only pass on pics and ugly and dumb
Laws wont matter once we're living in Fallout. We can go into the mountains, build a cabin by a nice lake, and try to make runs into the rubble of cities for my HRT.
>What are you, european, or Californian?
No I just never fight people. I'd be good with a gun but nothing else.
>not wearing too big shirts because comfy
A G P
Why are so many people posting their butts today Im too pure for this
You should have so I could have gotten some!
I don't make the rules Kuppy, I have needs ;~;
You always steal the dicks from me ;~;
I just want some, is that too much to ask?
How do I become a passing tomboy? This is important.
>tfw you will never have a good voice and talk to your friends
>tfw will be as awkward online as I am irl
Okay, done. Cool. What's next?
because poor. I've been riding by on part time jobs and I just got a fulltime job for the first time in 3 months. I haven't had any groceries in a week and I can't go to the food bank until I get a paystub from my current job.
Niiice, two for two so far. Next?
Some argue that legit mtfs were alway girls to begin with, so maybe that doesn't matter? (The idea of mind-breaking a cute femboy into going full-trans is pretty arousing though...)
I shouldn't have gone outside with a dress on.
It's so cold out :(
Does anyone on mtfg actually have passable feet?
/mtfg/... it doesn't feel like a lot, but I've just realised with this morning that I've fucked exactly twenty people, over half of whom were trans girls...
am I a slut?
If I win the lottery and can buy land of that size, i'll let you know.
>never got the really bad pain people here describe in 3 years of hrt
Only itching and them being sensitive.
It doesn't matter if you are pretty. Life is going to suck regardless. If people can tell your trans your life is fucked.
5 days after showing my ID, there are suddenly budgetary issues at the new restrurant and someone is being laid off. I know the score. I am the only full time employee except for two chefs that aren't the owners. I could feel it coming yesterday where everything I did was just a little wrong. Oh that sign is just a millimeter out of place. Or Olivia stop what you are doing and come here and help me now. Then be told you should never leave a task uncompleted before doing anything else even if the other owner says to stop.
So they are pretending to decide who is getting laid off tonight, but I know I am fired tomorrow.
You kill me and I will kill you. We can make it a suicide pact.
There is no point or hope. With out a grand for a name and marker change this is my life. At least I was passable enough to get hired before I jump of a bridge or drink myself do death.
Yes and I'm jealous of you
y-yume is my idol honestly.... i've never subbed but i want to sub for her kinda.. she's like a little child who wants to rape me which is incredibly hot......
idk, i just want a gf but i keep fucking so many girls and im worried that there might be something w-wrong with my brain that makes it impossible for me to get one or be satisfied with the sex that i already get
this sucks .-.
but we are all women here and we are all whores here
tell me you arent thinking how nice a dick inside you would be
Is it possible to grow bübs and not be fat?
tfw you cast a spell on your gf to make her love you forever
>tfw no precum soaked penis to suck
r-run before you become a lewd slut like the rest of us ;~;
>hrt for almost 6 months
>still no libido
I wanted a precum soaked penis to suck more before i started hormones desu and trust me elanna i really want to become a lewd slut
What's with you guys and citrus? Kase-san is way better. Their Story is dank too.
Hi all. I recently woke up to gc feminism. Like many gc feminists, I come from a trans centric libfem background, wherein I was trained to subordinate my voice to theirs, etc. In my real life, I only know a couple of very toxic trans people; most I know are actually pretty sweet (seemingly). In fact, I spend a lot of time feeling pretty sad that I will lose most of the nice trans friends I have over my newly forming views.
Reddit, though, is making all of what I used to think of as a weird collective paranoia that trans people have about transphobia come true. I am starting to REALLY, really, really dislike them. In the arguments I've had on the debate sub, they tend to display symptoms of toxic personality disorders, use logical fallacy after logical fallacy, seem totally incapable of polite debate and are downright mean, generally seem to be lacking in intellectual integrity, etc.
I've also observed that Cathy Brennan, for example, first got into trans issues by defending trans rights on (I think) a pro bono basis. Now she won't even use a trans person's preferred pronoun anymore (something I have still been doing). I feel like I've also seen other gc feminists who become progressively less and less willing to give any quarter to trans activists.
Am I right and am I following a normal progression? Like, I am really unwilling to give any of them the benefit of the doubt right now, even though I know that fairly reasonable individuals like Miranda Yardley exist. Thoughts? Been there, done that advice?
I could make some nasty generalizations about feminists too, but I live and let live. If you got nothing better to do with your time than be a TERF why not just leave us alone? There is enough misery here without you. This thread is mostly typical medical gender dysphoria people, not the politicalized trans* movement that has no basis in medical fact.
A lot of people here act kinda rough because a lot of people here have hard lives.
I'd recommend doing something more positive with your life than making sure you hate all the people who you can rationalize to deserve it.
>I could make some nasty generalizations about feminists too
That guilt has a lot to do with female socialisation, of course, but I also think most women have an instinctive sympathy for people who have been hurt by gender - a sympathy which MtTs ruthlessly exploit.
Most women's first response to trans 'women' is to assume we have common cause with the men who claim to feel trapped by masculinity; however, this could only be true if they were willing to understand their problems with gender in the context of its root, which is oppression of the female sex. And in any case, it's only the non-autogynophilic MtTs who are genuinely trapped by masculinity (usually via homophobia). The autogynophiles actually love and fetishise gender - specifically, the objectified and sexualised feminine role. Hence their ardent need to defend 'femininity'. The last thing they want to do is to get rid of gender roles, therefore their political goals are inherently opposed to feminism.
>I'd recommend doing something more positive with your life than making sure you hate all the people who you can rationalize to deserve it.
I always say that mental illness is not a get out of jail card. Many mentally ill people are semi conscious of what they are doing. And clearly even mentally ill/depressed people can be influenced by the general misogyny in a society. Like a racist might be mentally ill, but he/she is still responsible for the hate and violence they spew.
You know, it's funny, when I started in radical feminism, I was also one of the "I'll use your preferred pronoun, what's in a pronoun?" people. After a year or so, I realized that feeding into the delusion, AT ALL, made trans activists try to break more boundaries -- and that those preferred pronouns often were very good at hiding power relations among individuals. I feel sheepish about my earlier reluctance to accept radfems who didn't respect preferred pronouns, because I feel like I learned from the school of hard knocks why giving trans activists that particular inch will lead to them trying to take a mile.
I think you are mistaking tumblr tards for actual trans people
basically he is blaming us for running with insane special snowflakes
Feminists have been leading the charge on legislating against us for a long fucking time. Why would you hope for anyone here to endorse your decision to hate us? Just leave us alone and make your own decisions. If you can get behind bullies like Cathy Brennan, you're too far gone to be worth anyone's effort. It sounds like you made your choice, so stop pretending to want us to convince you otherwise.
you know when i first started on mtfg i was like "boy those anons are really some great people. and those trips! so friendly and hospitable, not manipulative two-faced sociopaths at all" and now i am gassing anons and bricking trips left and right
I'm certain there are social groups, especially in cities where most people don't care what you're doing with your life, where trans people never have to hear a negative word about their identities. Where everyone pats each other on the back and validates the hell out of how much they pass. You can see these communities online, and, while what goes on in those communities might not be that healthy in the long run (giving people an unrealistic assessment of how they're perceived by other people, for example), I'm certainly not going to try to rob them of that camaraderie.
Where it gets hairy is when trans people then demand all the rest of us blow smoke up their asses. If people don't want to validate you, and you can't live without it, then don't associate with those people. Trying to force them to submit is not acceptable, both from a personal freedom perspective and from living as a reasonably well-adjusted adult perspective.
It's because it's so often some kind of high-drama, abusive, threatening emotional hijack when an individual comes in and demands attention. "What about my needs, you fucking bigoted TERF! I don't need to give you facts! My lived experience is enough! You should do what I say because that's the only way I think I can stop suffering! You should validate me because that's your job! I don't owe you empathy or validation or verifiable information or anything in return because reasons! You should just believe me because you're a know-nothing cis woman who's had everything that I want just handed to her!"
>I should be on more after next weekend
Yay! What are you going out to the west coast for?
hey, terfanon, are you a guy? I've been to weird groups like this as well, theres cool people and weird people. I heard there was racism in a recent meeting from one of the people in charge I'm friendly with. They are a nonbinary whos pretty chill and seems genuine about activism nonsense and helps them with troubles and listens to their problems of much older transitioners. They were rude one time and wouldn't shut the fuck up when another person in charge was reading monthly assessment or whatever so I guess I get that kind of weird entitlement among some trans people. others are either immature but they are young and can change with time. =]
I used to buy the lie that Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. Then I woke up to the fact that its about telling women what to do and taking away their right to consent by declaring all man on woman sex to be rape.
Is it any wonder feminism is losing traction among women of sound mind? Women don't deserve to be forced to do or think as they are told. A woman has the right to consent. That's exactly why feminism doesn't work.
Feminism is pairing itself down to women like this terf, the rational females of the world have had enough bullshit, sorry.
>tfw east coast
;_; a-at least ill be in portland soon
>reasons to live
there are no reasons,just keep living for the hell of it,that´s the way at least I keep myself alive,you can get some fun sometimes and of course some sadness,but one must learn how to deal with both things
i hope everyone's valentine's this year is nice.
i'll be visiting portland, and cali next month (and most likely colorado and seattle as well) so if you're anywhere near there i may be coming to say hi. jsyk. i hope you're all doing great. <3 pce
SIIIIIIIIGH . TUCSON IS SO BORING. I went to 4th avenue on a Saturday night and there's only like 1000 people and there's kids and old people there! I'm like what the heck???? So I bought a cute shirt and left.
Worst part is only gay men were hitting on me.
They were cute but hello I'm a girl!
I miss LA
>tfw bad dry cough
>tfw date on thursday where i'm gonna be coughing the entire time
The way I feel about misogynistic men is more of a slow burn because, as bad as they are, women can get away from them (depending on various factors such as whether women have financial independence). But that MTFs are demanding access to women's spaces, not just inclusion in private groups, but also public accommodations that women can't avoid without giving up participation in public life, is why the trans issue is much more at the forefront of my mind.
As awful as MRAs are, they aren't claiming that ogling naked women in the women's locker room is some sort of civil right.
I am familiar with how to practice this (but it was great that you made your suggestions; they're good ones and it definitely wasn't obvious from the OP that I'd have that background). I guess I'm just more just shocked at HOW nasty the MtTs are, like there's just not really much of a lid on their toxic misogyny but at the same time they're being blatantly woman hating while coopting womanhood how protected and damn near sainted they are within liberalism. THAT is the part that really throws me as while I am used to being pissed about white supremacy and natal male misogyny, this new wrinkle really sucks as if I express my anger at the trans movement and what it represents, I lose basically all of the solidarity and allyship I've built in the struggle against other oppressions. To me, it's basically like if white people came into the anti-racist movement wearing blackface and shouting down real black people, saying that their concerns weren't important because the trans-blacks were more oppressed and then EVERYONE FUCKING BELIEVED THEM AND SUPPORTED THEM. So it is a very bitter and difficult pill to swallow.
ye it is pretty gross desu but at least i've worked on my voice enough to make my coughs sound
my boyfriend has one
apparently i gave it to him
he finds my cough from smoking weed constantly endearing
>tfw the love of a significant other makes dysphoria easier to cope with
inb4 'get the fuck out for being happy'
I avoid people from IBs on my social networks,we could use IRC though,and I wont really be as useful as you might be specting,I have always had an incredibly comfy life with next to no problems,so i don´t know how will I handle whatever you have to say
i already drink like 3 cups of tea a day but i'll make more chicken soup
>>I-I look awful
>you're being delusional, you are fucking sexy
>>but I feel gross looking
>you're fine bb, I love you
stuff like that, sometimes I just get a scoff like she doesnt believe me so much she finds it dumb to even think that
sorry depressive trips anon,anyway,my grandma lived in extreme poverty for 40 years and like 7 of her brothers died before that,now she is old as fuck but very joyful without being senile,that´s because at some point of her life she found an opportunity to get out of her shit life and she grabbed it.
Always think that may happen to you anon,godspeed
my boyfriend actually makes me feel like he really believes im feminine/feminine looking
and at the same time he knows i have massive self loathing problems but me putting myself down constantly actually doesn't strain him and i really do believe he loves me
oh my gawd i just had my first kiss why didn't anyone tell it was this amazing
hey anon, what's your valentine's day theme?
>tfw crushing loneliness
>gonna eat ice cream, cry, watch chick flicks and blast this song
>while my best friend has an amazing day with his stupid bitch gf
>at least my doge will keep me company
happy valentines day mtfg
tfw FINALLY NOT SINGLE ON V DAY FOR ONCE
love u boyfriend know ur lurking <333
gonna do this 2 u
>tfw one of the trannies I fucked had HIV
>tfw HIV negative (tested) but whoever it was still got HIV
>tfw it's probably fake from a stalker trying to spook me but I can't stop worrying about them
smdh tbqh familia de los transexuales
Okay anon,look,I started drawing a year ago,when i started I sucked major ass,if you want to do something just do it,practice and study ,time will make you good,so
Wanna draw?grab a fucking pencil and read the /ic/ sticky
Wanna be an smartass?go to lit and start reading the essentials
just do whatever you want to do,you will suck no matter what but if you try you will get good,I know you can do it anon
Gonna vent, I pretty much hate where I am. Want to transition mtf but gf well hate me and I don't want to hurt her. Plus her dad just died automatically bad person. Plus no place to live. (Posts before if anyone remembers)
kisses are great
first kisses are amazing
so I take it your date went well??
u-um the date is tmr night actually . . . . this was impromptu I wasn't expecting it
>flirting with some guy who had HIV but also an undetectable viral load
>have no impulse cobtrol
>borderline pd makes me never want to be alone
>end up sucking his dick
>go get tested
>dude texts me later and asks if he can fuck me
>say sure and ask if he's gonna bring the condoms
>he says he doesn't want to use them
fuck stds, idk how I'm still 100% clean but thank god
>tfw single for the first time on valentines day in 4 years
>tfw you were living the dream but it's over and nobody wants to be your bf
Let me make up a story, this isnt my situation, its made up.
What if I had cancer and my family is going to be poor for my fault, and also they were homophobic so there was no chance at all of ever transitioning? Do you really suggest me to start reading a book or learning to draw?
I thought you were the average depressive shitter with no real problems,sorry to know that your life actually sucks anon,even though,I dont think you should give up on your life,and it hurts to tell you,but I think I was right and I can´t do shit about your situation.
I hope you don´t give up anon,and sorry if I made you feel bad
As I said, that isnt my situation, its made up for you to realize that some shitposters here may have actual real problems
I just wish I had somebody to talk to, I havent chat to anybody in weeks or months, and I keep getting advices that just make me feel worse
u-um yeah we kind of started being a couple a few weeks ago and we called each other our valentines even though we can't get together on the 14th
i hope your kiss-kisser is nice :3
>mfw the girl who helped me find informed consent accused me of rape and I'm now suing her
i'm so sorry like i actually don't know what to say except i hope you win your case if you're actually innocent re: her claims
no ty, he's hot but I already dodged the aids bullet once, I'm not gonna spin the cylinder again Boris
I just want a bf to cuddle with, or to have a nice dinner ready for when he gets back from classes. make sure his apartment is clean so he can focus on schoolwork and sports, and then when he's done we can cuddle up on the couch in front of a fire with hot chocolate and talk about how our day was, and then put on some netflix until we decide to go to bed where we may or may not have violent sex and then fall asleep with my head resting on his strong chest and his arm around me, ready to wake up the next day and do it all over
but that'll never happen
you'll find a bf eventually anon
valentines day is just one day of a full year, you just happened to be caught off guard out of a relationship for it
You can still get a bf long before the year is over
Cmon gem, you know I need to fix myself before that can or should happen ;~;
no social contact with anybody since christmas, other than my mom.
i have few online friends but they barely know anything about me, so I dont count that as chatting.
Last time I chatted with somebody (about me) was probably in october or november
but my gf passes and i don't
well busy with her and busy moreso with work, and feeling a little trepidation about the anti-bexe memes, and playing vidyas
what's your girl like?
>she quit her job because she thought she would be moving in with me lmao damn
i really shouldn't say iktf but i almost
nearly the same story with me but add a whole bunch of school into the mix. Shes really straightforward desu. She's the one that set up our date tomorrow and suggested hanging out at her place after.
um one thing about her i like is cinimon brown skin with wide hips and a big butt and she's not fat at all c:
still, its only two months into this year
you can get there anonlanna, I know you can
we're going to help you feel better about yourself when you come down, okay?
>Hi all. I recently woke up to gc feminism.
Hi all I recently regressed into transphobic bigotry
>a sympathy which MtTs ruthlessly exploit
MtTs don't exist. You mean MtF's.
Your desire to throw trans people under the bus is ruthless.
>Most women's first response to trans 'women' is to assume we have common cause with the men who claim to feel trapped by masculinity
Trans women are women. Not male to trans, not 'women', not men. We are not trapped by masculinity, we have brains that do not belong in XY bodies.
>gender in the context of its root, which is oppression of the female sex
In what country? Afghanistan? Women are not oppressed in modern western countries (US, UK, Canada, etcetera)*. Even if they were oppressed, trans women would be subject to that oppression on top of transphobia.
>it's only the non-autogynophilic MtTs who are genuinely trapped by masculinity (usually via homophobia).
no women - whether they are cisgender or transgender - are genuinely trapped by masculinity. Trans women are not subject to the homophobia that men are subject to, and most people are okay with lesbians.
>The autogynophiles actually love and fetishise gender - specifically, the objectified and sexualised feminine role.
Autogynephilia - as moap would love to tell you - isn't more prominent in either trans or cis women.
>The last thing they want to do is to get rid of gender roles
The last thing any functional society wants to do is get rid of gender roles
>their political goals are inherently opposed to feminism
Third wave feminism exists only to tarnish the sterling reputation of 1st and 2nd wave feminism.
>I always say that mental illness is not a get out of jail card.
Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness - it is a condition. Trans people do not need a get out of jail card because treating your condition is the best way to prevent further anguish.
*exception to Muslim women
Holy shit anon,take it from,if you want attention literally ask for it,attention whore,If im ignored in group chats I usually go "hey bitches im talking are you even reading me" ,and obviously keeping it playful.
Whenever you want something go and ask for it,people will think you´re awkward or clumsy?fuck that,just go get what you want
With luck I'll at least be part of the way there by the time summer rolls around, but yeah, this summer is definitely going to help.
Cutting back on 4chan is honestly already starting to help.
you know what the midwest is? young and restless
Why is anime do stupid? I'm watching a giant robot thing blowing up a Mediterranean inspired city. It's like a political thriller that literally makes no sense.
>i've never subbed
i dont think theres been a good philosophical or mentally stimulating anime since GITS: Innocence and the Evangelion remakes which im not sure count
anime was a mistake
wtf is rhodesia is that like a cookie lol XD
you know what the midwest is? YOUNG AND RESTLESS
ive just been lurking long enough to know you and your gf have some kind of gang or something
and the whole talk of letting people like elanna swing by and get emotionally fixed up is something i'm envious of
because i don't have friends or am close enough to anyone to instigate the possibility of any remote good will being extended
tldr i wish i had friends that want to help me improve my life
>and to stay with so i dont have to be homeless again
when you spend the afternoon watching a movie with a cutie for valentines day
Why don't you kill yourself too then? Don't even try to pretend you're not a waste either anon. Lmfao.
I can get behind this, cuddles make everything better.
Not getting wrapped up in the negatives in life also helps. It's way too easy to get sucked into feeling like being trans makes everything awful forever.
>tfw 300-500 under my caloric limit for the past 3 days
i can't wait to be 120lbs
even the Trump hates your guts.
kindly end yourself.