▶What is a fem guy?
A young, androgynous guy with soft features. Mostly gay, but not all.
▶Are fem guys trans?
Some inevitably turn out trans. Some age into twunkhood and continue slutting it up on Grindr well past their mid twenties.
▶Can I be a fem guy?
Often with enough effort, yes. Masculine bone structure, height, and aging make it hard.
▶Should I go on HRT?
If you can deal with the tits and infertility, you'll look younger longer and you won't age like a man.
▶Is liking fem guys considered gay or straight?
Gay. If you're on the fence, you're bi, like a lot of people.
▶Makeup: https://masterposter.tumblr.com/post/116605714860 and /r/MakeupAddiction
▶Hair care: https://reddit.com/r/HaircareScience/wiki and /r/FancyFollicles
▶Skype: Post your Skype, and someone from the group will add you.
Old thread: >>5706242
i'm sure that is general have before a sexual orientation poll, but whatever. if you are trans just ignore the "gay, straight" words.
what? i dont described nothing, i just make a sexual orientartion poll for femgen, just for curiosity, the trans part is bc i think there's some trans women here.....
also, i think femgen is ironically "less gay" than mascgen.
>he's a tranny
>in a general for femboys
>he got driven out of /mtfg/
>he gives his opinion on issues not relevant to him
>he refreshes the thread constantly
>he does it because he drove away all the friends and family he had in his pathetic life
>he hides posts he doesn't like because whenever he gets upset he has an autism fit
>he considers a reply to his post to be the best part of his day
>he votes in all the strawpolls
>he will never be taken seriously because he's just a freak
>he will never be cute enough to be mistaken for a girl
>he will never have a life free of cosmetic surgeries
>he will never have a qt boyfriend
>he will never have any worth at all
>also, i think femgen is ironically "less gay" than mascgen.
That's hardly surprising. Masculine straight guys are just normies, feminine straight guys are more likely to end up in the gay community just because everyone assumes they're gay.
Who the fuck are you talking about...?
there's not much straight femboy guys anyways.
from what I've seen the number of bisexuals is absurdly high in trans communitys (ftm and mtf), gnc individuals, femboys and "specialsnowflakestumblrinas".
i dont know why, perhaps is just because someone who is a femenine boy, masculine woman or trans must think about their sexuality, forget sexual prejudices, etc.
Why do you suppose this doesn't have a general bi option? I mean, it has "bi but don't like trans" and "bi but don't like genderbending." But no general bi or "gay leaning" or "straight leaning" bi.
reminder to join skype groop
Not working for me (google has no idea what this is), but I don't have the integrated Skype program, so I'm not sure if I'm just fucking things up that way.
Sorry, I barely use Skype.
Is it even possible to get a nice girly butt if you're fairly skinny? I guess I've only been doing my exercises for a lil over month, and I could be doing more, but I feel it hasn't changed at all...
Anyone on hrt got advice for actually being able to masturbate?
This is lewd yeah but if i don't use nipple/prostate stimulation it's like jerking off my forearm, my dick isnt that sensitive anymore. I try to do it every day because i dont want it to shrink, but it's so much effort, and takes forever, half of the time i just give up
>Anyone on hrt got advice for actually being able to masturbate?
When i got on HRT, before i used to fap for almost whole days sometimes, and now i just fap once every three days
For those of you who have been on hormones for 6 months or longer, do you feel like your appearances have changed much?
Do you think you look more like females now or just more androgynous? I'm probably going to go down this road as a trans in denial and hoping if things don't work out I can just learn to love my more feminine body. I don't want to do it for social gain and I don't hate my dick. I just want to look less masculine.
If you don't hate your dick you'll have to deal with possible infertility and sometimes difficulty getting it up (I've heard regular stimulation helps prevent though ;0000)
Also tits so
Yeah all of that's fine. I'm curious about how people feel their faces have changed on hormones here. The two questions in my post. Asking /femgen/ since they might not have desired any changes in appearance necessarily, just youth.
I'm trans but still present male and this is me at 6 months on relatively low doses
also please don't be mad at me for being here, I'm worried I'll never pass so I'm thinking about giving up on the transition plan and just accepting life as a feminine looking guy on hormones
Definite sterility and less potency. I wouldn't recommend hrt if you're a dominant top and value your dick above all else.
6 months here. Not too much but I'm pleased. Don't forget that most of us here are on hormones to prevent masculinization and preserve our boyishness rather than gain changes, do you know what I mean? Perhaps in three years there will be significant differences though.
Heey, I've seen your picture around (don't take that badly, I think I just lurk in the same places you do). You seem like a chill person. And you're pretty regardless of what you decide to do.
I think a pic isn't isn't much to go by without a before picture and I'm not going to press you for one . You look like you might have been pretty androgynous to begin with. Or maybe that's just hormone magic.
Right. I understand what /femgen/ is. I just like hearing from this general because it's another perspective on hormones.
Transition timelines on reddit range from useful to absolutely useless. People posting 1 month "before/after" slides. Or people with bony faces in their 30's.
Plus, yeah, "results not typical". I'll probably end up looking like my mom with my dad's nose. I guess I can live with that.
thanks guys, I just posted though cause that person wanted to know what to expect after 6 months
maybe a before pic would be helpful for that though, here's me pre-hrt I was gross
and then another one at 6 months for comparison:
part of the change is just lighting though.
I appreciate it. I know you probably don't like looking at pictures like that.
You weren't ugly but yeah, there's not a lot of androgyny in your face. Soft features but that's it. There have definitely been some changes. Thanks for sharing. Really.
am i the only one here who believes that having a naturally good face without surgery or HRT is the only thing that really maters at the end of the day if you want to look even just androgynous and already lucked out in that respect?
your face looks pretty unisex in both pictures to me. like you could visually pass for either a guy or a girl depending on your hair and overall presentation. this may be a completely uneducated opinion but I don't think HRT makes your face look any different if you're already kind of androgynous to begin with.
idk that might not be the best before pic to really see this stuff but my skin has definitely changed A LOT already and that much is really noticeable at least.
Beyond that fat has started to redistribute and my face has less angles than it used to. but really even the skin changes on their own make a huge difference, I can't imagine anyone saying I looked androgynous pre-hrt and now it happens fairly often.
Ah fair enough. I'm on a relatively low dose and I'm going to ask my doctor if I can stay on it, as long as it's safe. Ideally I would prefer to be on a lower dose than the average mtf, in order to reduce the onset of breast growth for example.
I agree with you. Some choose to prolong our "natural luck" with medication because if you don't, your typical androgynous period fades away quite rapidly. They're not for everyone though obviously.
>fat has started to redistribute
Fucking catch 22.
Yes i love being on HRT but my skinny cheeks have became fatter and i look like shit with it so i undereat for thenpast few months just to get them back down. which is also bad since i wont develop slightly larger boobs than had i eaten more.
Other transwomen the redistribution of fat to their face makes them more prettier but sadly its the opposite for me.
I don't find this to be true at all tbqh. My face has gotten slimmer and more angular (pejic jawline incoming) in the 6 months I've been on them. I haven't changed my diet either. The baby fat I had on my face is like slowly melting away.
it's not like all or even most women have some combination of these features that somehow make aspiring mtfs or androgynous guys (who didn't "luck out") jealous. i mean by god i've spent a lot of time just analyzing male and female faces on my college campus trying to figure out where stereotype ends and reality begins, and only like <30-35% of all women have unambiguously feminine faces compared to something like <25% of all guys having unambiguously masculine faces (rough guesstimate, and this tries to look beyond factors such as the presence or absence of facial hair). most people of both sexes have more or less "unisex" faces relative to what the stereotypical ideal for their sex is expected to be, even though "unisex" doesn't exactly equate to "androgynous".
your overall presentation is more important than anything else when it comes to actually passing. having a male voice is, surprisingly often, all that gives away a few otherwise totally passable traps/femguys, and this is either with or without HRT. but of course many people want to have a certain look and that can't be helped. Even the tall 6'1" pejic with his angular jawline had no trouble convincing people that he was actually a woman, including arguably in some of the photos where he posed as a male rather than female model.
for some reason your face looked "softer" in your pre-hrt pic
maybe it's the lighting but in the first pic you are sorta boyish while in the second one you look way more "sophomore" and masculine but it could probably be because of your hair or clothes
yeah, IMO going from the pre-hrt pic you sorta lucked out, doesn't look to me like you ever were glaringly masculine. I know it's crucial to know the serious impressions of people other than yourself when it comes to these things because of their overwhelmingly subjective nature, but no, you looked anything but "gross" before and shouldn't feel so shitty about it.
This is the truth that /lgbt/ denies. "Fully female" faces with every part of their face being in their culture's range of beauty are rare. But that's what they all strive for.
I think if you shave most women's hair and had a static picture of them you would have trouble telling them from a lot of mtf's a year plus into hrt in the same state. Which means it's mostly about presentation.
Would mtf's look more feminine if they started sooner? Yes, always. But a lot of average women have gender neutral faces with all the markings of female hormones. An average guy becoming an average woman seems like a reasonable outcome if that's what they're going for.
>presentation is most important
This is absolutely correct. People put way too much emphasis on the effects of hormones. Sure they make some changes over time (or prevent changes), but how you carry yourself and how you appear to others is what is going to get you perceived as either way.
OMG I just tried it and it's so fun, and I mean FUN, I don't know whats wrong with me, I just love my prostate being stimulated and it makes me literally happy without even climaxing, it does something to my brain, 1 min in and I started laughing in delight. I'm quite used to anal so you might not feel the same right away
Basically you push and massage closer to your hole where you already dont feel the inside part of penis shaft. And then you breath with abdomen, or you can even try to use abdomen/pelvic muscles (like if you were pushing shit outside) to create more inner pressure on your prostate and you'd feel joy and pleasure - change hands if you get tired quickly - then it overwhelms you and you start leaking or squirting... dont wake your parents/neighbours with moaning!
I swear I felt like shit today but after this I cant stop smiling. Huge thanks to whoever suggested this method!
The art of war: win the game using as few (not as many) pieces as possible.
Unless you intend to go all the way HRT is overrated and usually not even necessary if you're even a little bit androgynous by the age of 19 or so. By that age, apart from hair growth, for most people your body's made up its mind on what your final form is. From then on out all both women and feminine men generally worry about is personal upkeep, and aging itself.
What are /femgen/ approved hairstyles?
Mine pretty much looks like pic related right now because it's super long on top and my hair is super thin (not balding, thin) so my hair has no bounce or fluffiness to it. But it's not very feminine at all... If I don't use product just the jostling from walking will cause it to fall down and make me look like Einstein with a middle part. But product ways it down and it looks greasy
Kill me. This post just ended up being me complaining but whatever. Respond to the first part only if you want.
Not that anon, but I'm curious. For the femboys here that are doing hrt, do you guys ever go swimming with your shirt off? Or just ever have your shirt off in front of someone? When was the point that you stopped being able to not wear a shirt in front of someone?
Even if your nips are small, I'd imagine it would pretty awkward in a public pool for example.
Just get those Bieber/emo haircuts like everyone else :^)
I'm six months in, and I wouldn't go swimming in a public pool. I don't have boobs, but my nipples are a lot firmer and puffier. Like if I wear just a thin t-shirt you can see them poking through lol. I only have my shirt off with my SO or anyone who knows I'm on hormones (which is still pretty rare). I have pretty long hair too though so people might think I'm a topless chick in public if I don't have a shirt on :/
If you're not going to do super long hair, then something like this pic can be pretty sexy. Longer on the top and shorter in the back. It's not a bieber cut and it's not an emo slice. You can slick it back too for a different look.
I have a very full chest for my height and weight, people stare but really at this point I love my androgyny.
Sucks people are weirder out by it, I have really developed gyncomastia. Hrt makes them inflate.
I think it's just the lighting, here's a pic of me when I was even younger (like 16) and looked pretty masc because hardcore repressing, as you can tell from the absolutely miserable look on my face
>tfw exercise and skin care isn't doing enough
>start hormones because i don't want to lose my youth
>tfw still ugly so save up and get facial feminization surgery to finally look like the cute guy I always wanted to
>pretend to be trans and get surgery
>tfw people think I'm a girl
>can't get a job because i look like a girl but sound like a truck
>train voice for job
>tfw accidentally transitioned.
i've been on a relatively low dosage of hrt for the last 2 years, but in recent months i've kinda picked up my e dosage to what some would call "average" among transitioning girls. i'd gotten back into swimming like 8 or nine months ago, something like that... the last time id been this enthusiastic about swimming was probably in my early teens. i've measured, i have AA cups, but i do a bit of weight conditioning so my tidders are pretty solid under the soft layer of breast tissue. maybe its because i go to a mostly black school and no one knows how to swim but im confident about using the pool even tho it looks like i have a little gyno. frankly there are more old fat people in the locker room at any given time with bigger moobs than you so ive no real anxiety when i know i can outpreform them, girlblood and all. that said, the water is pretty fun even tho it dries the shit out of your hair n skin. people even seem to respect me for being so devout ;v;
for the past year and a half i've gotten bloodwork done every two months or so, i think. my last checkup had me at 58pg/ml blood estrogen levels and 170ng/dl, which was an off day because i'd started cutting up my pills into quarters to make them last long enough for my next script to get in. but, usually, my t is under 30 and my e is above 50.
>dont you feel like shit and tired all the time though if you have very low test
My T levels going down has made me tired but cured by insomnia(since i get tired by 11PM) which is a nice tradeoff.
i felt like shit before hrt i cant tell the difference lmao
i honestly havent noticed the difference or otherwise forgot my point of reference, but ive been exercising (biking, swimming or otherwise lifting weights) for the last three years on regular which may explain why im not particularly lethargic? i never really thought about it... could also be the adderall but i've been on that for forever
>I always wondered how people can be so blasé about fucking around with hormones.
Same, it's like people are changing their levels to those of 70 year olds men just to look 'cute' longer - pretty bad tradeoff in my view.
Your recovery becomes absolute shit even if your natural test drops below 200. Not sure how much upping estro offsets it. At least it plays a big role for genetic women and they dip in performance on periods.
Of course if you are depressed you feel like shit regardless, but depression is linked to low test and high cortisol.
Fuck yeah amphetamines, god bless american mental healthcare turning children into speed fiends.
Mostly cause even with their negative sidefects they still keep my body as something closer to what it's always been than if I'd leave it to turn into a gorilla.
Besides women are way more cavalier with hormones. Just the ultra dangerous xenoestrogen ones they use in contraceptives and nobody bats an eye.
I get that different people age differently without hormones and shit but it's still difficult for me to relate to where some of you are coming from with the fear about turning into a gorilla and not being able to do anything to stop it except HRT etc. Estrogen is not a fucking wonderdrug and some people put too much faith in it.
I'm 23.5 years old and well past what most people cosider twink age. My legs are kind of hairy, sure (I'm not tryhard about keeping them shaved b/c I always wear long pants anyway) but everywhere else I'm unusually pale and smooth like a teenager. Judging by the fact that I've never felt strong sexual attraction of any kind in my life and that I'm used to (but don't even mind) having pretty much no libido at all, I'm probably asexual or some shit along those lines. I like looking androgynous, and within my family I lucked out in that regard, since I managed to inherit that one body type where I always manage to be borderline underweight no matter what or how much I eat or how little I exercise. I share that with my older sister but not my brother or younger sister, and it comes from my dad's side of the family.
I don't use nor plan to use hormones for any reason (I consider them a bit overrated, and not a fucking toy) but I just want to say that just because you have a dick doesn't mean you're doomed to become a mountain troll or cave gorilla. You should see just how poorly many women age. Quite often by their mid-30s (assuming they do nothing about it) they may end up only a little less hairy than many average guys in the same age range, and they'll still have curves sure, but by middle age both men and women start to see their natural hormone levels start to decline (leading to various health problems) and due in part to prevalent cultural expectations women at this stage simply try 10 times as hard as most men to cover it up and do whatever's in their power to look younger and more feminine, and put the inevitable off.
None of us wants that.
Yeah I understand that I may just be subjectively luckier than some of you, but my point is that even if you think genetic women are "luckier" than you, many of them certainly don't think so themselves and are self-conscious to the point that it nearly destroys their psyche, all because of what society *expects* them to look like, which is younger than their natural age (and in denial about aging), whilst in mainstream male culture a great many guys literally give zero shits about their appearances, especially since straight women consider such ruggedness to be attractive.
We have all these men who let themselves go, grow a beer belly, and always just laugh it off as no big deal and simultaneously we have women who literally have a nervous breakdown every time the scale says they gained even 2 pounds.
Then of course we have androgynous and feminine guys who regiment themselves like these women and use hormones out of a genuine fear that being genetic men somehow makes it impossible for them to look as kawaii as a skinny teenaged girl. Growing older is about embracing at least some semblence of a physical maturity that a teenager doesn't have, and that doesn't even need to mean you have to start looking fat and hairy, or like it. But it's vain to simply deny your age like all those fugly genetic trophy wives in their mid-50s who spend a quarter million of their rich husbands' money on facelifts and botox injections just trying to look like they're 25, and of course fooling nobody.
My point is that you may think genetic women somehow have it easier than men when it comes to looking young, but way more often than not they really fucking don't. The average girl does seemingly unfathomable amounts of shit just to keep up appearances when the average genetic male doesn't care or bother to do the same for himself, all because of a prevailing culture. It contributes a lot to how we perceive people of the other sex as a result. If all men took it upon themselves to keep up appearances to the saem degree as most women do you'd actually be astonished by how much the resulting increase in (relative) androgyny would blur the lines and outright confuse us. Sure it wouldn't be "perfect" in >90% of all cases, but you'd discover that being read as male or female has way less to do with genetics or hormones than with presentation and how well you pull it off.
>I'm 23.5 years old and well past what most people cosider twink age.
That's not really true.
Conventional "twink" cutoff (that I used to see) is 24. You haven't even gotten to the really hard part yet.
18-22 is usually considered the classic twink horizon, and even then don't forget that some guys really aren't that hairy compared to others. Like what is genetics even. I had some friends growing up who were hairy AF by the time they were only 15 or 16, and have seen other guys in their late 20s+ who had only a little bit of fuzz on their arms and chest (or even none at all in some places) that could be shaved off in a few minutes like it was never there. Being scrawny generally helps, I think.
20 years old, heterosexual, probably closeted tranny
manliest face fucking ever
just kill me now
Nobody can keep from looking 40 or older forever, no matter what they do to control their hormone levels. The harder a great many genetic women try, the more you can really tell how true this is.
>be r9k tier complete shut in forever
>finally meet this insanely qt model tier dude
>by a stroke of luck he turns out to be gay as well
>just being around in gives me the power to come out of my shell and be entertaining and not autistic for once
>as we get closer i realise hes utterly insane
>like borderline personality disorder insane, possibly also a psychopath the way he talks about others
>apparently he just hates everyone and bitches constantly to me
>regularly talks about suicidal idealisation like its a recent trip to the supermarket
i feel like there is a god
but he isnt benevolent, he just enjoys manipulating people and leading them down paths while laughing the whole time
do i try to fuck him or just give up?
Do girls like guys who are "in touch with their feminine side" aka like doing feminine stuff but still enjoy being a masculine guy?
I'm talking like doing makeup and painting nails in public and going to the spa with her or whatever
And no I'm definitely not trans, i don't want to lose my masculinity for when i grow old
Hey buddy I think you've got the wrong door...
>Do girls like guys who
Imma stop you there. The idea that half the earth's population likes any one particular thing is a huge over generalization. I don't understand why these types of questions still get asked.
Look to antiquity and you'll find that the ancient greeks were literal sages when it came to the philosophical and moral intricicies of manlove.
Also unless you're trapped somewhere in the Bible Belt or some other part of the country where the kindly old ladies gasp out loud if you say "darn", most people these days agree that gay is pretty okay.
>that gay is pretty okay
Thankfully that's only USA and Western Europe, Maybe Ausfailia.
>all the yuri/yaoi/sexual deviancy/LGBTQ culture Japan openly and flamboyantly pumps out must be some kind of accident of nature that managed to go unnoticed by the general population of the east as well as the secular west
>the absurdly high number of trannies and recognized same-sex couples in thailand, india, vietnam, and the phillippines + the homegrown subcultures surrounding each simply must also be invisible or publically repressed or something under stereotypical un-western oriental despotism
>PRC govt publicly frowns upon the chinese LGBTQ community (spoilers: actually it doesn't)
>only white people can or have consistently been open-minded about same-sex relationships
>russia is a synonym for all of "eastern europe"
>has never been to central or south america, probably assumes it's some kind of roman catholic theocracy
>only europeans, americans and muslims have had an historically overt attachment to judeo-christian anti-gay values, but ignoring everywhere else in the world somehow only "western" europe and the english-speaking world contain countries morally enlightened enough that they don't despise gay people
>western europe has superior values that no one else has unless they directly copy western europe
do your fucking homework, >>5725507 is probably the most retarded thing I've heard or read all day.
>The first thing that came to my mind when I saw your photo was Fight Club.
lol, yeah I was trying way too hard not to come across as girly. After I graduated high school and got away from all the rednecks in my hometown I just kinda let it happen though
You should read FAQ - that stuff is unregulated and can be of poor quality and you'd need high quantities for it to work. Some say its effective but others claim its placebo.
If you are losing hair on your head and they are more oily - sounds like reverse effect - too much dihydrotestosterone. You can take finast to combat that.
Yeah but they are girls, not trannies-in-training.
femgen skype group: selected excerpts
[1:43:02 AM] roms: tfw boyfriend grows weed legally
[5:35:23 PM] *** Ghostie joined. ***
[5:35:51 PM] chef: hello
[5:35:53 PM] chef: are you qt
[5:44:48 PM] Harrison Osman: you get much ghost cock?
[5:56:31 PM] chef: that's my exes address please send dildos
[6:00:14 PM] Sam: Dickgrills are gud
[6:07:12 PM] Gab: wew that pic boiiiiiiii I tell u hwat
[6:07:57 PM] Atrium T: Thighhighs are great, I love them
[6:08:16 PM] Sam: Also known as tranny socks
[6:15:35 PM] Alec G: tfw john will never be your dad and ethan will never be your mom : (
[6:17:06 PM] M@rkus!: so many qtees gathered here rn, and I cant violate a single one
[6:25:41 PM] Ghostie: how do i become a femboy
[6:26:16 PM] Alec G: inb4 hormones
[6:30:26 PM] Ghostie: Ethan pls take me
[6:47:45 PM] Troy: guys im growing a bear
[6:58:56 PM] Harrison Osman: wtf do you mean your dick can break?
[7:07:58 PM] Troy: gay bars are gay dude
[7:11:22 PM] Ghostie: do you guys have any fetishes
[7:11:36 PM] Ethan Lawrence: oh boy
[7:24:05 PM] Sam: Blows at suckjobs
[7:39:20 PM] Matt: It's "boipucci"
[7:39:58 PM] John Sand: [7:38 PM] Ethan Lawrence: tfw no vagina
[7:40:39 PM] Ethan Lawrence: oh fuck off
[7:45:19 PM] John Sand: TFW THIS FUCKING 16 YEAR OLD WANTS MY DICK WHAT DO I DO GUYS HELP
[7:55:40 PM] M@rkus!: ALL BF NORMIES NEED TO LEAVE
[8:01:34 PM] not again: femgen where mtfgs give up or at least vacation
[8:06:30 PM] Ghostie: a girl sat on my lap once in eigth grade
[8:13:22 PM] Ghostie: if you wanna pass as female you could with work
[8:17:25 PM] Sam: would you fuck yourself tho?
[8:20:12 PM] Ghostie: nice stomach
[8:20:14 PM] Ghostie: i wanna lick it
[8:22:25 PM] roms: would you enjoy fucking snape
[8:38:08 PM] Alec G: i love watching animals devouring one another :)
Having it that long makes you look like a girl.
we have bears in the chat, i'm sure. we don't care if you're chasing we've said that so many times by now. you can just be honest and i'm sure you'd get a few who'd wanna hook up.
i'm pretty sure karl's just openly a chaser in that chat, so are a few others
I liked Andrej way better before the implants they just ruin the whole gracile image.
He was still cute when being a flat chested girl like in >>5723411
Cowtits are gross and Silicone cow tits are gross too. I'm never sticking anything like those in my body.
She get them cause her boyfriend told her too?
>tfw you'll never wake up one morning after months of being forced to take hrt by your commanding bf to find your wardrobe is all girl clothes now
>tfw he'll never force you to present as a girl in public and change your name
>tfw he'll introduce you to people as his girlfriend while you blush at his side
iktf, being a femboy is tough work ;-;
obviously I don't actually want to BE a girl because that'd just make me trans, lol, but fuck it'd be nice to be mistaken for/treated like one...
They're legitimately disgusting, especially stuff that grotesquely large and even if I do have issues, there's no way I'd get something like that. My body isn't supposed to be like that.
is it true that femboys are actually the pinnacle of masculinity?
I have an...extremely masculine disposition. Always looking to prove myself, earn respect. My hobbies and friends are stereotypically masculine. I don't listen to emotional appeals or concern myself with them to any noticeable extent. But I'm also some lanky aryan fucktoy who wears makeup and takes it up the ass. Go figure.
>tfw you start to realise you're never going to be happy until you look like and live like a qt girl
well... fuck ;-; the denial was fun while it lasted, time to go be miserable and punch myself in the manly bony face forever
not if you're too manly to look like a girl ever anyway ;^)
Anyone else start HRT because they were confused and scared and thought they were trans, but just stayed on it because it makes them feel good about their appearance and calm, despite feeling like a boy
I dont think im trans because i honestly think im a boy, completely honest, i just really feel best when i look feminine
Only if they went too far and got implants. Most hrt tits can be hidden with binders and sports bras unless you're a fatty.
andro/femboy life is best life
this isn't military school. I look like a fucking stooge with short hair and I'm sure some of us fem longhairs would too.
>tfw your hair scrapes your nipples for the first time
That's exactly what I did. I tried living as a girl (I passed well so none of that "failed tranny" nonsense) and it made me super stressed and anxious. I realized I'm not trans at all and I am so much happier just accepting my life as a boy who happens to be the antithesis of masculinity, like many of us here.
Literally half the thread. Did wonder about that when I was a kid and nearly died from ana because I didn't want my body to become too large. Hormones were just a less painful way to get that than starvation.
Never thought of myself as anything other than a boy and I'd rather be seen as one, so short hair and stuff to avoid noticeable breast growth.
Wanting my body to remain feminine wasn't cause of trans feels. It was just some weird way to try and freeze time and keep things the way they are. Don't regret the hormones anyhow.
>no option for being a straight girl who likes femboys
I can see that I'm not wanted here
After getting an incurable dependence on Dorian Greyesque cosmetic procedures, beauty regimens, diets and hormones to cheat the growing up stuff normal men are supposed to go through.
Uh literally half the thread says it's bi in the straw poll. If it's the meds use you're complaining about, then I can understand that puts a lot of people off.
Oh don't you worry, by the time I'm 40 I'll likely have moved on for good from trying to look younger than my actual age. I'll probably be unhealthily skinny like Mick fucking Jagger for most of my life though even if I have to adjust my lifestyle as time passes. Enjoying your youth while you still have it is what matters, not pretending in vain that you can somehow prolong it--and I can already be content that genetic women just about never stay young and pretty-looking by the same age anyway, many just try really hard to and you can always see through it. Going bald from DHT though, I'll almost definitely take pains to keep that from befalling me for as long as possible, just because being bald sucks.
for a lot of guys even just being androgynous is more than enough. i've never made any conscious attempt to pass before, and people've still occasionally mistakenly addressed me as "ma'am", assuming i haven't actually said anything yet and thus given myself away via my rather unambiguous voice. i'm in my 20s and not even short, and naturally it only happens when I'm completely clean-shaven, but i have a relatively androgynous face and the impression i give off can change radically depending on just the state of my hair. anytime it's wet, or unwashed for more than a day or two i look positively fucking awful like some kind of coke addict, but when it's clean (and my hair gets unusually smooth when it's clean) and assuming i've shaved the same day i can genuinely confuse people without really trying. granted i pretty much always wear long sleeves and skinny jeans in public and i'm exceedingly modest, but simply standing in the middle and looking ambiguous, rather than trying to stand out/look like a flashy eyesore and draw unneccessary attention to yourself (and thus greatly increasing your odds of being read if you're actually trying to pass) can work surprisingly well. if you're making the other person stop and wonder for even just a few seconds "is that a guy or a girl?" then your odds are always better than relying on a pass/fail coin flip.
that and we all need to begin gradually evolving into ideally neotenic, androgynous humans with progressively less and less sexual dimorphism. then people wouldn't have to fuss about things like this thread and all the neurosis the many aspiring pejics out there struggle with on a regular basis.
seriously though, unless you are 100% ok with the standard male aging you're gonna be upset when it hits you, and being 23 it's going to hit you soon if it hasn't already. i'm just saying, i was like you too - i didn't see it until "all of a sudden" in a year or two i looked significantly different.watch for the hairline recession carefully because it can creep up on you, and by the time you notice it you've already lost 50% of the hair density
>most trannies don't make it and just up andro
that's my plan tbqh if I don't end up passable, just learn to be happy as an andro guy
also here's an update from the last pic I posted here, this is me at 7 months
pls ignore shadow
did those of you on HRT end up looking like girls eventually and having strangers think you were girls? I'm assuming people here don't actively aim for that much at least. I always get called sir still
DHT is like the shitty male hormone. it makes you hairy, causes hair loss on the head, fucks with your prostate, and idk what else. mid 20s men start looking indistinguishable from sub 40s men.
like all drugs/supplements, if you want to check their effectiveness, go straight to scholar.google.com and search. if anything but fin/dut worked for hair loss then i guarantee you that the tons and tons of men who look for cures would have found it
>being bald sucks.
It's very genetics-dependent and you can only do so much. I pray I land on the winning side, my dad has almost zero baldness while on the moms side everyone was balding like crazy, my cousin from her side lost all his hair by 40.
>do away with the facial hair and perfect your brows and you will look significantly more fem
yeah that's the plan, hopefully by this summer at least. I've just gotta get money and do some other stuff. If I'm not passable after that and doing something with my hair I'm just gonna stay on hormones but give up on transitioning
I'm not really looking for answers to anything I just figured I'd post pics since someone was asking about hrt effects
cause I'm having second thoughts about actually transitioning so I've been lurking here a bit, I also wouldn't really call myself a regular on mtfg it's more that I just pop in occasionally
I use some estrogen bio-identical synthesized from potatoes that you can't talk me out of unless that's what you're talking about. I don't think I do anti-anything.
>estrogen bio-identical synthesized from potatoes
Or maybe it's radishes. Idfc.
I said you couldn't talk me out of it. The root vegetable thing isn't a selling point, it's just something I found out when looking into the roots (...) of the chemical. It could be converting to testosterone and fucking me or doing literally nothing for all I care, I truly don't give a fuck.
ah so that's what they refer to when they say 'potato mode'
anyway finast is pretty good at helping your hair and skin, lowers libido and makes you depressed and dumb if you overdo it
My libido somehow naturally went to shit and I'm already depressed and dumb. I don't care if it makes me more depressed, but will it make me dumber? That's a big concern. Also will I still be able to channel excessive energy intake into excessive non-sexual exercise, or will I be too depressed and/or dumb?
1. I don't want a "real estrogen," so I don't give a fuck.
2. I don't know if it's a supplement, but I know it's not any kind of herbal shit or anything. At the very least, it could increase my risk of breast cancer, so it probably does /something/. I don't think the difference between bio-identical and non-bio-identical is that large - the latter's probably more effective, but the former I don't need a prescription for.
Like, acid was synthesized from killer fungi in the '30s and the jury was out on it in the US until 1970.
>It could be converting to testosterone
there is no mechanism for that, however there could be feedback loop where you start to produce more test in response to raised estro levels, thats why messing with hormones is tricky
sorry to hear that, maybe you need some perineum rubbies to make you happier
just read on side effects of finast, it can mess your mental activity due to how it works, I'm sure there are pills to offset those effects too if it gets bad
if you want to get nerdy
>This preliminary study suggests that Finasteride might induce depressive symptoms; therefore this medication should be prescribed cautiously for patients with high risk of depression. It seems that further studies would be necessary to determine behavioral effects of this medication in higher doses and in more susceptible patients.
Short answer: I don't know.
Long answer: do your own research, most people on here go to uni, therefore have a university login and access to their respective linked journal and digital databases (digital and hard copy) if you have it dam well use it. If you don't, think of it this way; in a world with over seven billion people in it you can't possibly be the only one asking that question or a derivative thereof, find someone who has and provided an answer/professional opinion, then find two other resources to first confirm the answer/opinion then second (third piece of evidence) to provide redundancy.
You are connected to the internet the world it literally at your finger tips, Wikipedia is not as bad as it used to be investigate and use the references provided as a starting point and sometimes it will prove to be sufficient. This stuff in never clear cut, it's all opinion (some more educated than others), develop and question your own opinion.
Secondly get your blood tested regularly (get a baseline first), this might mean just going to the local pathologist for a hormone count, or going to the doctor for a checkup and specifically ask for a blood test, specifically ask for a hormone count (you don't really have to give a reason), and if you need to go stealth throw in a full blood count with a kidney, thyroid and liver function test in as well. Remember to get a copy of the results (they can't not provide it), then over time analyse the numbers (graph it) and investigate trends.
You will become a much more informed anon, good luck on your quest for knowledge.
>4 months in
>make appointment directly with endocrinologist
>hospital is confused, goes along with it
>he takes my blood
>writes me a prescription
>tells me not to come back for 4 months
not exactly a difficult experience
>not nearly that large
Any smaller and you can just say you have gyno.
If you are going to be so secretive about a bit of gyno you might as well go big and get as big bewbs as you can. At least you would have something to hide.
Not all guys age horribly, you know. IMO when you're a naturally androgynous guy hair growth is your archnemesis, and if you know what pains to take to prevent pattern baldness, control acne, and keep your face free of facial hair then shaving on a daily basis ought to be the least of your concerns.
You can generally tell the masculine men apart from the twinks, androgynous pretty boys, and wimps by the age of 16 or 17. All that tentatively links every single group together is that someday they'll all be susceptible to beard growth if they don't shave. Puberty and genetics are by far the biggest deciders of your adulthood appearance, and even if DHT has the potential to make your life shit in various ways you either luck out or you don't.
>notice thinning hair
>think it looks abnormal for incoming genetic pattern baldness, simultaneously think I may just be delusional and in denial
>"yeah, that's definitely abnormal/doesn't look like a naturally receding hairline" thanks doc
>learn that fluoxetine can cause hair loss that is reversible
>had upped my dose ~6 months previously
>was probably more than I needed anyway
>dropped back down to my pre-increase dosage last week
>steadily weaning myself off that shit completely until I find an alternative or somehow learn to live without sertraline
i was like that. i really had to kick myself to get going. hardest thing i've ever done.
oh you sound just like me half a year ago. the way you type, too, is eerily similar. i don't need to think hard to put myself in your place.
I guess it's good to know you get it but i seriously dont want to do it. It's been a long time and i never got the guts to do it, i probably never will. I'll just accept the consequences when they come.
It's not exactly something you can turn on... I take progynova and spiro twice a day
I don't need to have breasts of my own to appreciate the size of someone else's.
And small breasts look better in clothes.
Oh no argument here. I just have trouble thinking of you as a boy.
don't bully! i'm a cute boy and that's final!
Once your hair gets longer, you shape your brows and you finish up with laser on that facial hair then you'll end up getting gendered as female a lot more, assuming you don't walk around in a suit and tie or construction worker garb.
How long have you been on HRT? What dosage? I would prefer to avoid forming boobs like those if I can.
You look fine in all of those pics honestly. Even in the one where you're unshaven and presumably trying to appear as "masculine" as possible, your underlying facial structure is pretty unisex. You never seemed to have a long, angular, protruding face and you look naturally weak-chinned both before and after; even though pre-hrt from those pics you never presented yourself as "androgynous", I have a hunch that just by keeping your face clean, growing out your hair and maintaining it, and making (intelligent) use of cosmetics you probably would be able to at least confuse a lot of people.
Like I'd mentioned earlier in >>5720038, presentation matters more than virtually anything. I've seen TONS (and I mean TONS) of genetic women with more glaringly masculine faces than yours, and even if you weren't naturally super-androgynous before, your face in each of those pre-hrt pics most certainly does not scream "rugged masculine manly-manface man" to me. The large majority of all people will overlook basic facial structure in attempting to identify a person's sex, unless they have really attention-grabbing features such as an especially massive butt-chin or a bushy unibrow. Most identifying criteria are actually hypersubtle social and gestural cues that most people pick up without ever consciously realizing they exist. Your facial features may be relatively "normal", but nothing stands out to the point that you could never pass without hrt, I feel. The voice is probably the most glaringly important aspect of passing because it can immediately make up a person's mind, but that's another issue. And, although there's never any such thing as a guarantee no matter what genetic sex you are, I can totally see you getting mistaken for a girl in those post-hrt photos as well.
I won't try to suggest that you stop using hormones in the event that you give up on fully transitioning, but you really shouldn't be so hard on yourself.
You have been harping about "presentation" for days now. You make it sound like sexual dimorphism is a bunch of superficial, easily masked differences. Presentation will not help with shoulders, ribcage, feet, hands, brows and so on. Your "most glaringly important aspect of passing" has such a high failure rate it turned into a joke.
Passing requires an extraordinary amount of effort for each and every person you encounter. There is no cut-off point at which you are forever mistaken as a girl. And that goes beyond physical appearance.
Not doing it gradually. Jumping straight into 4mg or higher for example without first doing a few months of 1mg or 2mg. Also having your E levels too high (higher than the average cis woman) is likely going to give you cone breasts, as well as put you at risk for a lot of other nasty things, like blood clots and deep vein thrombosis.
You should probably ask on /mtfg. It's actually fairly interesting topic. So many variables to fuck up.
What >>5730989 said. I have noticed this tendency among self-medders to simply double the recommended dosage. Besides the physical effects, around the 2 month mark the estrogen induced depression hits. It's not a pretty sight.
I never said there ever was a "cutoff point", let alone that passing isn't a serious and difficult endeavor, because I figured most of the people here already knew that it goes without saying. Do I need to explicitly name and describe every single little factor in detail to keep you from assuming that I simply don't consider anything otherwise ommitted to be important?
I was chiefly pointing out the absurdly high and often blurry variability of human facial features and how little they determine on their own, with or without hrt. I've been emphasizing the importance of "presentation" (however vaguely), in part because I get the impression that a lot of people appear to believe that being convincing to any degree is somehow impossible unless you're on hormones--or that estrogen supplements in general are magic beans, as well as supposedly the *only* thing literally any person born with a penis can resort to using to keep from turning into a big, masculine, hairy ape. Along with, in some cases, the assumption that genetic women are somehow almost always free of this problem as they age. As helpful as they can be for many people (I am not trying to doubt or downplay their worth in many situations), the world does not fucking revolve around hormones, and I wish to make that much clear. No offense intended towards anyone here.
But sure, just keep putting words in my mouth if you seriously believe my language makes it seem like I'm shrugging off anything. I can control which words I use but not how other people perceive them, and to be frank I really don't give a shit if you find one reason or another to get worked up over what some random anon feels like saying at any one time.