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>The T should be dropped simply because GBL are sexual orientations, whereas transgenderism isn't necessarily connected to a sexual orientation and is caused by body dysphoria and therefore a completely different category.

Does anybody here disagree with this?
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Not really a disagreement, but. if they don't piggyback on you, they hope no hope.

Surely we can let them stay a little longer in the acronym.
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Why not drop the LGB instead and just have T?
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>>5712579

But my thinking does make sense logically, correct? In the strictest terms?
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>>5712593

Yeah bud. It does. Also, excellent choice of gif, went perfect with your statement.

You probably think about things before you say them.
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>>5712566
Here. I think Lambda Legal put it succinctly.

Drop the drop, already, would you?
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>>5712566
LGBPedo & TIntersex
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>>5712593
It makes sense if you start from the premise that T not being a sexual orientation is sufficient reason for them to be a completely separate category from LGB. However, I don't think that really makes sense in practical terms - there are still people who think trans people are just "super gay", and they can't really regard any allosexual trans person as being completely straight, since they're "gay" either in relation to their gender or to their assigned sex.

>>5712855
>"Gender" is more about sexual orientation than people are aware of, just people are afraid to admit. It's okay sweeties, we know :)
hello blanchard
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>>5713123
So let's say we have two types of LGB
Cis-LGB
Trans-LGB
The cis-LGB is easy, the trans-LGB however becomes a bit more complicated.
If a trans woman is purely romantically and sexually attracted to men, they are straight. The same thing with trans men, if they are attracted to women they are straight. That means they don't really belong as straight people don't belong in LGB movements, I guess they could be allies.

So we need another split
Trans women-LB
Trans men-GB
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>>5712751
This. To put it even more succinctly:
To your average bigot, transgender folks and LGB folks are all just faggots. If we don't stand together we shall surely hang separately.
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B-but everyone says I am a gay boy and not a woman especially guys I want to sleep with.
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Yes, because the political entity isn't defined by sexual orientation, retard. It's about the way society treats these four things as synonymous, and forces upon them the same process of closeting, discrimination, exploitation, erasure, and profiling.

>>5712579
T doesn't piggyback. They give more money and political visibility than B certainly does, that's historical record.
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No. WE understand that T is very different from LGB, but other people don't. Most of the world considers them to be much the same thing, and will beat us up without distinguishing between us.
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>>5712566
Forget about agreeing or not. How do we pronounce legbutts when we drop the t? THESE ARE THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS! ANSWER ME MAN/WOMAN/ATTACK HELICOPTER!!!
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>>5714630
This. To homophobes there's no difference between a trans woman and a drag queen/trans man and a butch
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GSM - Gender and Sexual Minorities.
[/thread]
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>>5715172
Fuck off, pedophile, you're never getting in.
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>>5712581
that's pretty much what this whole board is now. MtF threads. 1 lesgen thread full of biscum, straight cis men, and transbians. gay threads full of MtF cock-hounds. It's pretty sad. T should have their own containment board. Hopefully it will help a little to keep them out of lesbian and gay threads.
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>>5712566
Gender and sexuality are pretty strongly related.

Yes the LGB are different in one way, but they are connected in other very important ways.
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>>5716426
DO TELL.
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>>5716415
that wouldn't really work because as OP said you can be trans and gay/bi/lesbian at the same time. So they'd have their board for trans stuff, but the ones who are also non straight would still post in the non straight board/threads
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>>5716430
Sexuality is the key element in the evolution of gender roles and gender expression norms in society at large, and those norms are based on heterosexuality. Homosexuality contributes to an individual divergence from such at the individual level for many people.

Being trans has a similar effect on gender norm divergence in individuals, though the transition makes the gender minority more visible, and therefore vulnerable.
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>>5713246
Nah. All trannies are bi.
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>>5716415
I'm going to go ahead and go through the actual catalog to show you why you're a fucking moron.
>Troll thread: tranny target
>gay general
>trans general
>transles general
>completely off topic porn thread
>"post your ___ and I will call you a faggot"
>les general
>Troll thread: gay male target
>gay general
>gay general
>Troll thread: transman target
>indeterminate lonely reee thread populated mostly by gay men
>youtuber gossip
>gay thread
>transwoman thread
>"why are heteros so disgusting" thread
>troll thread: transwoman target
>gay general
>blogposting
>"why couldn't I stay young forever"
>lgbt politics in the UK
>asexual thread
>webcomic general (almost entirely gay men)
>gay men in video games
>trans general
>troll thread: LGBT target
>chaser thread
>gay man thread
>chaser thread
>feminism thread
>troll thread: trans target
>troll thread: gay male target
>"so lonely reeee" gay male thread
>trans thread
>troll thread: trans target
>troll thread: lgbt target (bashing)
>bi thread
>blogposting
>was shakespeare gay male???
>what kind of faggot am I???????
>troll thread: transles target
>Shitpostistan LGBT thread
>voice thread
>all LGBT general
>sex toys for gay men
>transles thread
>troll thread: ciswomen target
>meaningless shitpost
>asexual thread
>gay men thread
>gay men thread
>gay men thread
>meme spam
>french LGBT thread
>mtfg
>survey shitposting
>I have AIDS gay men thread
>indecipherable shitpost
>trans thread
>bi thread
>bi thread
>gay men thread
>"what is gender" thread
>troll thread: trans target
>troll thread: trans target
>"post your ___ and I will call you a faggot"
>FOUND A GAY CURE troll thread
>troll thread: trans target
>bi thread
>feminism thread
>trans thread
>troll thread: trans target
>trans thread
>meme posting
>gay men thread
>troll thread: trans target
>mtfg
>troll thread: gay men target
>"I am really gay so gay you guys" thread
>trans thread
>puberty thread
>les thread
>troll thread: chaser target
>gay men thread
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>>5718650
>troll thread: liberal target
>pass thread
>gay men thread
>gay men thread
>gay men thread
>trans help general
>gay men thread
>trans thread
>politics thread
>video game thread
>gay men thread
>trans thread
>gay men thread
>trans thread
>trans thread
>gay men thread
>gay men thread
>gay men thread
>troll thread: trans anime fan target
>troll thread: gay men in politics
>troll thread: trans target
>troll thread: LGBT target
>mtfg
>gay men thread
>troll thread: liberal target
>lgbt thread
>porn shitposting thread
>trans thread
>trans thread
>transmen thread
>trans thread
>gay men thread
>gay men thread
>tumblrbash thread
>gay men thread
>trans thread
>gay men thread
>gay men thread
>troll thread: transles target
>ftmg
>politics thread
>troll thread: trans target
>tumblrbash thread
>gay men thread
>gay men thread
>gay men thread
>trans thread
>politics thread
>bi thread
>chaser thread
>slang thread
>trans thread
>bi thread

Let's count this up.
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>>5718717
>>5718650
I can't believe you did all that for a shitposter.
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>>5718650
>>5718717
but how many of those threads have trans people infiltrated? bigen or bi threads are usually mtf posters. femgen is mtfgen 2.0, lesgen is mtf posters, gaygen is more and more mtf posters.
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>>5718816
https://www.meta-chart.com/share/kinds-of-threads-on-4chan-board-lgbt

Why are gay men so fucking loud? Even both kinds of trans together, with generals and all random 2 post threads, are 74% of their egotistical nonsense. If you want to prove your stupid conspiracy theory, then provide the fucking proof, faggot. Just like I just did.
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>>5718816
Confirmation bias isn't a basis of truth, retard.
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>>5718816
Nigga out did you with a fucking graph.

God damn
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>>5718863
there's about 5.5 times more gay people in the US then there are trans (I'm not in the US but it was the easiest country to find data for). The fact that your small group is just barely overshadowed in conversation by a much larger group means that if anyone here is overly loud, it's the trannies.
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>>5718919
and then got immediately fucked
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>>5718955
Dude blew you out and you still trying to shitpost.

Move on dude
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>>5718955
4.5 sorry, but my point still stands
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>>5718970
Different guy anon, I'm >>5718955 and >>5718974
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>>5718981
Ah I see.
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>>5718955
That's entirely irrelevant. You're scrambling for any justification at all, but the demographics of 4chan don't matter in the least. The simple fact of the matter is that it is plainly false that "trannies" are dominating a damn thing.
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>>5719098
>>5718955
And I'm a cis lesbian, you're just fucking butthurt. Not everyone who tires of shitposting and hypocrisy is part of your hateboner's target group, retard.
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The problem with this argument is that nobody ever said LGBT just had to be about sexuality. It's a thin, poorly disguised excuse to back a transphobic agenda. And I say this as a bisexual cis man. If you're going to troll, put some actual effort in.
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Oi! How about we call it the queer community, eh?
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>>5720121
Queer may be popular with the younger activists, but it was a popular slur slung at many of the old timers. Probably not the best official term.
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Oh no, it's much more than that now. LGBTQ(bunch more letters I can't remember)+
It so much more than just sexual orientations, it's the whole god damn alphabet.
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>>5720286
Name one national group, anywhere, that recognizes that retardation. You're such a sap that you bought into the bleating of 14 year old scene queens.
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>>5720160
It's a reclamation thing, I guess.
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>>5712566
I gotta agree with this.
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>>5712566
T is part of LGBT because trans people either used to be gay before their reassignment, become gay as they transition, or are bi. Either way they're part of it.
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>>5720286
LGBTQIA
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>>5714679
NOOO the only reason /pol doesn't accept me and give me a qt conservative white bf is because of fucking flammers and trannies ruining my image!!1!!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>5719104
>I'm totally a cis lesbian so that means I automatically win against trannies regardless of facts!
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>>5723604
Are you illiterate or just stupid?
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Queer is a group created by exclusion.

It doesn't matter that the T is a different manner of deal than the GLB, they're all non-straight, so they're all lumped together.

If people were no longer bigoted against GLB or T, you wouldn't see them in the same acronym. You wouldn't even see G, L, and B in the same acronym.
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Ooh look, it's this thread again.
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>>5712751

If they want to end all sorts of discrimination and violence based on sex, gender, and sexuality, they should just support gender abolitionist radical feminism.
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LGBT issues caused more or less directly by the patriarchy, which would be eliminated by gender-abolitionist radical feminist revolution:

- Discrim against non-heterosexual orientations in general, because they offend the heteronormativity upon which the patriarchy is built.

- A distorted view of homosexuals (gay & lesbian alike) due to deeply rooted ties to heteronormativity, making people assume that homo couples must necessarily consist of a dom/top/butch & sub/bottom/femme, which leads both to confusion in LGB themselves, as well as, again, leading to indirect discrimination.

- Discrim against people who don't properly conform to the roles ascribed to their sex/gender. (This covers a lot of "queer" folks, as well as men & women who are simply not "manly" or "womanly" enough.)

- Causing gender dysphoria in people whose natural personality is *very* strongly in conflict with the stereotype/roles ascribed to their sex/gender. (This covers transgender folks, whether transsexual or not. If we didn't have the notion of gender at all, and instead accepted every person's natural personality and didn't link it to their sex, then gender dysphoria would not be a thing at all. There can be no gender dysphoria when there is no gender.)

- [Possibly] causing *sex* dysphoria in the above mentioned group. (This covers transsexual folks in particular. The need for HRT/SRS/etc. might dissipate in a gender-abolished society, because people would stop experiencing sex dysphoria, although it might also be neurologically rooted and not caused by society; we'll see after we abolish gender.)

Why aren't you a radical feminist yet?
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>>5724975
that g*sh d*rn patriarchy
i hate those guys
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>>5724985

Patriarchy isn't exactly people. It's a cancer in our culture.
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>LGB stand for equality for sexualities
This is good, and I fully support this, even though it does include a lot of retards and faggots. Equality is for everyone.

>T is for equality in genders and accepting transgender as a normal thing
This is bad. First, the sexes/genders are already as equal as they should be. Equal pay, equal rights, equal voting etc. Second, trans is a mental disorder and should be diagnosed as such. Send them through therapy instead of going with their stupid fucking obsession. We put people who cut off their own limbs in mental wards, why don't we do the same for people who want to cut off their own dick?

Anyway, LGB actually was oppressed, they aren't now, and T is just a group of mentally ill people who have done more bad than good.
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>>5725110
>the sexes/genders are already as equal as they should be
Stopped reading there.

Go actually read a feminist book before spewing any more shit out of your mouth.
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>>5725130
Uh, no? I'm not going to read any of your confirmation bias bullshit. Right wing biguy here. Try reading the rest of my post because it doesn't reference that again, just ignore that part. Go on, I'll wait.

If you're done, just know that feminists don't stand for me as a person. They'd fucking burn me at the stake for being a right winged libertarian who is also bi. They hate men, even if they're gay. Oh and if you've made it this far, then I'll explain why men and women are equal, but not completely equal.
>Equal pay, it's illegal to pay a women lesd for the same exact work
>Equal suffrage
>Equal god given rights
>Women don't have to even join the draft to vote
>Equal opportunity to get any job they have the credentials for

That's as far as I'll go, since I'd be redpilling you too hard if I went on
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>>5720286
LGBTQIAOMGWTFBBQ
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>>5725178
>Right wing biguy here.
Hello retard.
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>>5724975
That's great and all but unless we evolve into hermaphroditic mammals or androgynous blobs with no dimorphism whatsoever, gender will always be a part of our society. Sure, we can loosen roles up a bit for males and females, but we will always categorize each other differently in respect to our biological sex.
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>>5725284

I don't think so. The roles could pretty much be reduced to zero. So househusbands and woman leaders would be totally normal. In some places they already are to some degree, and we're still living in a world where the issues described by radical feminism remain unsolved in pretty much every single culture around the globe, and the USA is exporting an incredibly sexist culture to the rest of the world...
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>>5712751
Huh?
So it should be LGBTHIV?
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>>5724893
Before I started becoming active on this board I didn't realize there were LGBT adults who didn't support and work intimately with radical feminism.
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>>5725342
In addition to their work with LGBT people and their specific issues, Lambda also assists persons living with HIV. The end bit was the organization reaffirming its own mission.
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Even if you drop the T all the T people would still fit into the LGB at some point in their lives.
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>>5712566
Nobody here agrees with this except the people from /pol/ who come here to shitpost and aren't nearly as clever as they think they are.
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