Well look what happened to David Reimer. That's pretty much what happens when you take a cis kid and force them to live as the opposite gender. The inverse happens to trans people all the time, and it's why so many of them attempt suicide at some point in their lives.
>>5689219 I have tits and I hate it, I FUCKING HATE IT!!!! I reckon I got to be at like 10 bodyfat so I don't have titties, my bodyfat is stored in fucked up places. I feel dysphoria from all that fat, I want to be toned, I keep pinching that fat and getting mad at how soft my skin is(from all that fat loose), I just want that fucking fat gone!!!
It kinda sucks trying to loose weight because the more fat you loose, you still look like a fat cunt now you just aren't as fat. I ain't healthy until my stomach is flat.
>>5689396 I'm not denying the way the case was presented. I'm saying that it's only the account of one person, a meaningless number in the world of science. To really understand a phenomena like this, we'd need to switch the identity of 4,000 or so babies at birth and record the results. This will not happen though, so it's all speculation.
I think the results of the dissemination of John Money's research on David Reimer before it was discredited would be sufficient then (all of those intersex kids getting assigned to a gender for convenience). Though I think that was going on beforehand too.
>>5689408 >>5689640 this >>5689447 there were tons of intersex kids forced to male or female genitalia, that had the opposite gender maps in their heads. I'm one of them. I'm finally transitioning after a fairly unhappy life with two suicide attempts. I now feel so much better that I have estrogen running through my system.
>>5690498 They're obviously not intersexed. It's just some guy/girl, trying to confirm to others and his/her own self that taking estrogen was the correct choice. Sure I can't prove it but it's true. There are likely no actual intersex people here, especually not one from john money's expirementation.
From a technical aspect if you really wanted to couldn't you look at the cases of intersex people. When they are born if their penis is a certain size they keep it, if not its cut and they are raised as girls. I would assume that not all of them are happy once they find out.
>>5691289 Do you have any studies that even go as far as proving the suicide statistic, or perhaps even the suicide attempt rate for people with trans feelings from a validated source? I'm having trouble understanding how one could even come up with the current suicide rate being that most trans individuals are going to be closeted and even if they do kill themselves, you'd never know they were transexual. Until then, the current statistic is just a whiny baby-sjw fest to sucker doctors into prescribing them hormones, feeding their autogynephilic fantasies and sissy fetishes.
>>5689408 >implying you wouldn't have a few trannies among those 4,000 who would grow up with their apparently switched identities and didn't mind it at all >implying you wouldn't go TAKE THAT DAVID REIMER HYPOTHESIS HAHA!
>>5689193 It's been proven that this does happen. There have been several instances of failed circumcisions that end up with the boy being raised as girls. Once puberty hits, they learn pretty quickly that they weren't meant to be that gender. Trans people are the same exact way.
>>5693784 No. It's not the same. Free choice, placebo effect, for starters.
>>5691338 There's no high quality A B studies. The population is too small, the political factors are too strong. We DO have very strong evidence that transfags are mentally unwell, from their astoundingly high suicide attempt and success rate, both with and without hormones and SRS.
But that's NOT the same as proving the precise causality. And even if you could prove causality, that doesn't necessary mean that the exact mechanisms would apply to OP's scenario, because the starting populations are not necessarily comparable. Intersex people for example are likely to have some sort of hormonal issues to begin with that you would reasonably expect to affect the outcomes.
If you actually have some science background, try looking at the Williams institute study on the issue.
>>5693951 Try to keep the comparables straight, no pun intended.
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