How many other Autoandrophile MTFs are there?
>pretend to be qt gay boys with SO
>think having a dick is really lewd even if I wanna get rid of it
>feel lewd dressing in nice mens clothes
>still want to be a girl and usually act and look like one
I literally came out of the gates as AAP. This has already been established.
Silly rabbit, autoandrophiles are gays that are attracted to themselves as men, the musclebears, etc. Normal Androphilic gay men are pretty much the closest you're going to get to the sexuality of actual women.
is that even a thing? I think Im just a narcissistic faggot, but I love dressing in nice clothes and spend lots of time before the mirror
if I look great it can even get me hard
Not MTF, but FTM, but some of this appeals to me.
the ideal would basically be to transition (male), do the long haired guy thing, somewhat femboy but not super girly, and be gay with a femboy or mtf.
vaguely similar to some stuff in OP, but with an ftm+mtf, rather than mtf+mtf.
also into the idea of doing female-cd'ing/drag once in a blue moon when on testosterone. not really as a sexual thing, more because I like the look, or because ultrafuckinggay or something.
someone else doing it is hot/lewd though.
>tfw you will never be gay boys with a femboy on hrt/mtf because they all really want to be and be seen as 100% girl in the end, no gay boy stuff
>tfw femboys not on hrt could be into it, but eventually, testosterone fuxks up their femness in the end
also have considered doing the drag thing but in a relationship with a woman, which kind of ends up with a lesbiany result. so basically not too different from the "two mtfs pretending to be gay boys" thing from the "AAP" OP.
haven't considered it that much but I would probably be with another ftm that was fem or into drag, too.
nice. we're probably on opposite sides of the world though, predictably, lmao.
>I've been sorely tempted to tell men who are creeping on me "you know I'm a guy, I have a penis, right?" though
I've said that a number of times to get guys off my back, only problem is it doesn't work 90% of the time.
When some guys find a girl attractive it doesn't matter what you say to them, they have their mind set to you, you tell them you have a bf, they ignore it, you're married, they ignore it, have aids, they ignore it, they think they're being confident and forward, but its just awkward and annoying.
Nowadays I just try to get the most out of them before they realise they're idiots, last time I went out me and my girlfriends got 2 pitchers of beer and an uncountable amount of cigarettes from a group of polish guys that wanted to fuck us, we didn't buy a single drink that night.
Despite what many people here say, if you're an attractive transgirl most guys have zero qualms about hooking up with you, if anything its seen as exotic and interesting and the more passable you are the more it seems to intrigue them.
Honestly if you pass well enough they're probably won't believe it unless you show them
I mean, even statistically speaking it's more likely that you are just a cis girl who claims to have a dick for the sake of trolling/attention
"Can't" is a really strong word, but nice cuteposting.
If living the way you're living is working for you - supporting your enjoyment of your body and social context - there's no reason to worry about whether you may or may not qualify for some other label. And for what it's worth, I think there are way more men who are happy being men but would love to be, and present, femme, than have the conviction and self-awareness to go through with it.
I think a lot of us are working with what we have and as a result have come to actually like it. Definitely the case for me:
>no body hair/facial hair
My options literally are twinky prep, pseudo-manlet, or girly fem... the last one being what I think works best for me (and most femboys).
We're soooo fucking normal anon.
Well, blanchard wasn't fucking around. Manly gays are autoandrophiles(get off on themselves as sexy men), womanly gays are androphiles(attracted to men through feminity, but so feminine that they are basically women), autogynephiles are those who are attracted to themselves as women, (Male fetishists, lipstick lesbians) and gynephiles are those who are attracted to women through masculine expression(butch females, straight men). Yep, the more I read around, the more this all seems to be true
But it's womanly gays being autoandeophiles , but wanting to look feminine/andro and in the case of femboys deny being trans despite taking mtf hormones.
Aren't several of those things from contradictory in his typology?
I don't even know what I am, a bag of contradictions. I seriously thought of being a girl, but socially and bio/physiologically its disaster I'm not willing to subject my self and my parents to - so clearly I'm not a ts. But I think if I was a girl I'd dress mostly as andro tomboy.
I can be a normal guy, Id want to be more androgynous and pretty but again it's more narcissism that gets me high I think.
They have autoandrophia and get turned on by looking being andro gay boys having sex with other boys, but they also take female hormones, get dysphoria over any features they deem to be too masculine.
They also deny being mtfs, get defensive if you say they are, get angry if you tell them to socially transition or use female names and pronouns, but act effeminate, may 'crossdress' and seem pretty happy about people mistaking them for girls.
Oh and I thought they were all gay but if you go by their threads they might actually be bi.
Lots of those things are muturally exclusive in the Blanchard typology
no, anon, it's a russian doll that goes deeper. they're bio males that like each other/guys, who are on top of that transgirls/mtf, live as a girl (body) AND change the outer social stuff (get called a girl name and such) - and then metaphorically "go back" and act out a gay boy fantasy of things they would've been if they hadn't transitioned and such.
gay male in transgirl in gay male. nesting dolls.
also, they wouldn't be able to be attracted to other transgirls to do this with if they didn't have at least a bi streak, so it's not strictly gay male so much as gay/other-transgirl attracted, but. whatever. simple terms to boil it down.
this sums it up too
>no, anon, it's a russian doll that goes deeper. they're bio males that like each other/guys, who are on top of that transgirls/mtf, live as a girl (body) AND change the outer social stuff (get called a girl name and such) - and then metaphorically "go back" and act out a gay boy fantasy of things they would've been if they hadn't transitioned and such.
Fucking tranception makes my head hurt.
lol. it did mine at first. and now here I am, a Tranception myself. (see >>5688331)
you should get a load of fem ftm shit...
>transition to male
>do femboy on top of that
>do female drag maybe
>get mistaken for (early-transition/non passing femboy-looking) mtf possibly, b/c of this
>multilayered russian doll Androgyny Party
But if they've already used estrogen and other body mod stuff, then even if they're femboys and insist they're male, they've taken looking girly to the point where they're no longer wholly male on the bio side.
Yeah, fair. I was talking about the origin sex, so born-male might have been a more accurate phrasing, for that explanation (MtF-tMale Fantasy)), but either way it gets the basic picture across.
same. I want to look like a guy, but still have a sorta feminine ascetic :P