It's wish fulfillment of the trans author who wishes that she had transitioned when she was 3 years old or something. It's kind of creepy because she makes her avatar this impossibly precocious and stand-offish 8-year-old that goes around constantly dealing with all this transphobia that she never actually experienced at that age, but that she seems to wish she had experienced.
Every single comic's tone is bitter, preachy, and unfunny. I'm sure it's very popular with people who are bitter, preachy, and unfunny.
>>5676892 while they wouldn't be my favourite relatives, I don't think it'd be too unreasonable to understand that accepting trans people might not be easy for my grandparents, especially when it comes to their own grandchild
>>5676851 I haven't ever seen this webcomic before, but if someone changes their name and sex, then it's nice of people to respect that. It's okay to mess up, but if you go out of your way to get it wrong to show that you don't approve, then that's a bit immature, I think, and I understand why someone wouldn't want to be around that.
>>5676851 >shit people don't say in real life: the comic
Needless to say I kinda get where they're coming from. My mom and sisters are 'supportive' in a superficial sense but they still use my old name and male pronouns. I've told my mom that it makes me uncomfortable when she addresses me like I'm her son and asked her to at least try addressing me differently now that I can pass and have been on HRT for the last five years, but she doesn't even seem to bother. Even more insulting is the fact that they all jumped on the Caitlyn Jenner bandwagon and forced me to watch her gross ass interview, then when she came out they immediately switched the name and pronouns for her.
I've just started to play dumb and ignore her when she calls me by my old name. Gotta softly force this shit apparently.
>I'd spurn my elderly grandparents for the crime of struggling to understand the latest fad of changing ones gender identity after they spent my entire life and much of their own long lives having in their heads that I am their grandson/granddaughter
I feel bad for your family having to put up with your high-maintenance nonsense.
>>5676994 >11 year olds don't ever talk like that. There probably are some that do. We really have no way of knowing for sure.
>I'm not so sure. I've never seen a panel where any of the adults seem to notice at all that this kid talks exactly like a college-educated trans rights activist. Yes, because the adults follow the same "rules" of the comics as everyone else. The author is basically attempting to make an adult commentary on being trans while also showing what young trans people go through. It's a kind of awkward way of doing it, but I've seen the same sort of thing in all sorts of educational videos and the like.
>>5677074 I don't see why anyone should be obligated to go out of their way and play nice with someone who refuses to respect them. If they refuse to accept the legitimacy of my identity, I don't see why I should want anything to do with them.
>>5677045 have you ever thought that you being trans can actually be really hard for them to deal with and making you watch that interview was a way of them to showing you they are tyring to support you the best way they can?
>>5676907 That doesn't mean that you have to tolerate it or pretend it doesn't upset you, though. If someone misgenders you although you've told them not to, it is completely appropriate to break off contact.
>>5677168 Have you ever thought that what anon is going through is many magnitudes more complicated and troubling that what they have to wrap their heads around, and their ability to do the one thing anon asked for a total stranger and apparent fraud highlights their hypocrisy in being incapable of doing it for her? They've had more than five years to come to terms with it. That's more than likely a fourth of anon's life. They're not even trying, and you're being a very strange kind of apologist.
>>5677045 It is odd that they jumped right on the Jenner support train but just flat out refuse you.
Maybe once someone else starts changing the way they talk about you they'll catch on (as opposed to the insistence on pronouns coming just from yourself.) It just might not 'click' until they understand other people doing it.
>>5676978 I had a startling vocabulary as an 8 year old and lifelong depression (it's chemical, that shit tends to manifest early) and mostly I just had brief conversations about entry level philosophy shit that was bothering me and avoiding contact with other people. Everyone realizes that the character is unrealistic. That's not the point. What kind of complete retard expects all fictional characters to be perfectly realistic? There's another point being (ham-handedly) made.
>>5677248 I'm not being an apologist. I just think it's healthy to try to get into other people's shoes before growing resent to them. Having a trans child must be extremely hard to accept by some parents. That doesn't invalidate anon's struggle, but thinking everyone has it better than you it's really naive.
>>5677261 Grandparents aren't generally 80 and it's pretty stupid to assume they have dementia when it's actually quite rare in the elderly. Seems like you shit the bed to make your own ham-handedly obvious point, and belittled yourself even more than the clumsy ass author.
>>5677272 You are being an apologist. You are inventing justifications to apologize on behalf of people who don't even know exist. In this hypothetical scenario, they're had half a decade and a shitty celebrity to come to terms with not calling their child "son" anymore. That's super simple fucking stuff.
If they can change for Bruce "Hon Supreme With Sour Cream" Jenner in a week then they can do it for their own flesh and fucking blood after five fucking years.
>>5677272 >but thinking everyone has it better than you it's really naive.
If you are trans and someone intentionally misgenders you, you DO have it worse than being the one who misgenders the person, regardless of the relation. And having a hard time accepting someone as transgender does not excuse intentionally using the wrong pronouns and name. Psychopaths have a hard time not committing violent crimes, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't put psychopaths in jail or mental institutions, or that you have an obligation to maintain contact with your psychopathic grandparents who raped you as a kid.
>>5676892 You're a heartless bitch, desu. My 90 year old grandma still doesn't know gays even exist nevermind trans but I still love her dearly and can't imagine not talking to her. Plus her not being aware of stuff like LGBT also weirdly makes her more liberal in many regards because she isn't super guarded about everything because she doesn't feel like tradition is being attacked. She thought me to make bunch of our traditional dishes even though I'm a "boy" because I showed interest. Normally mother's are only supposed to teach daughters that stuff.
>>5677168 I get that it's hard for them but it's hard for me too. I've politely told my mother that hearing them refer to me as a man makes me very uncomfortable and pleaded with her. At least with my sisters I can understand because I've never really asked them because I was scared they would think I'm being too forceful. But my mom doesn't even bother to change. No real effort is made on her part. For example she met my girlfriend recently and when my name came up she just playfully called me by my actual name once then went back to referring to me like she usually does. Weirded out my gf and annoyed her.
>>5677254 Maybe. I guess they're just suceptible to groupthink and that's why they respect Jenner's identity and not mine. It raises a lot of implications about how genuine their support is.
>>5677318 Yeah, I have a 91-year-old grandmother, and I don't know if she knows what being transgender is. I'm sure if I tried to talk with her about it, she'd say some well-intentioned but uninformed and un-PC shit, and it wouldn't even phase me. I know she wouldn't be outright cruel to me on purpose, but she's old, nearly deaf, and sometimes says "rude" things without meaning harm by them.
I haven't gone by my childhood nickname since I was maybe 10 years old, and she still calls me by it, even though I begged her not to for years after I started using my full name. She calls me by my mom's name, my brother's name, my aunts' names, my cousins' names...I don't even correct her. I know what she means. She gets flustered and upset about the fact that she's getting old and can't remember things, and I'm not going to fucking rub her nose in it or something. If I came out to her, I'm sure she'd still call me "she" and use my birth name even if she was completely fine with me being trans. Boo hoo.
If she said something like, "Being trans is disgusting, you're an abomination, I hate you and I never want to see you again," I'd feel a little different, obviously, but I can't see that happening.
>>5676851 How this conversation would go with any mentally functional person (mentally functional trans people included): >Forgive your grandparents for not understanding X; they didn't grow up with it, so it's hard for them to grasp the concept. >k. Did the authour of this have a stroke while writing the script or something? Actually, that's offensive; I apologise to all stroke victims for implying that they have anything to do with this... comic(?)
Obviously with my parents I try and correct them but as for my grandparents, I'm not gonna even bother explaining this shit. They don't even understand gay people how the fuck am I gonna explain trans shit to them?
>>5677733 >>5678893 Who wants to guess the author's rationale for why it's okay to make jokes about cis folks but not trans folks? I'm guessing some kind of "cissexism = prejudice + power" argument personally.
>>5679067 The idea that "[bigotry] is prejudice plus power" is silly, but I think there is some validity to the idea that "punching up" isn't equivalent to "punching down", even if both are forms of bigotry. The reason is that punching down often accompanies actual violence and oppression, while punching up generally does not (though if you actually turn the tables and make the previous oppressors and oppressed class, then that's obviously an entirely different situation). The idea is that those who punch down often justify it by saying "it's just words", when it's often accompanied by actual harm done to an oppressed group. But "punching up" with mere jokes is giving them a taste of their own medicine, except it's not even going that far, as there is no actual oppression of cis people as a class. If cis people get "triggered" by trans people making fun of them, then they should realize that they can no longer use "it's just a joke" to justify their transphobia.
To clarify, I am not saying that making jokes about a minority is wrong. What I am saying is that making jokes that make light of oppression (and in some cases even CONTRIBUTING to oppression by spreading dehumanizing stereotypes) is wrong, or at least has implications such that it should not be done lightly. Even the N-word was originally neutral in connotation (it's a slang term derived from the Latin word for black). It became a slur because of its use in dehumanizing black people.
>>5676851 > your not retarded, aren't you? great English. nah. but for real i put up with my family using the wrong pronoun, but that's why I come to 4chan. people will acknowledge me as a woman as long long as I state the gender I want to be. I'm confortable with other anons. you guys make me happy.
Only a few years ago my grandma (nearly 100 years old!) occasionally failed to call me by my correct first name. I have always had the same name. She was absent-minded because she had been using the same brain for a century and it didn't work perfectly anymore. So she forgot what somebody was supposed to be called despite having seen them regularly for decades. Should I have thrown a fit? Should I go spit on her grave? She was a nice person, but she called me by my sister's name a few times. I am male. So maybe she wasn't so nice after all, you think? Come on.
>>5686733 My grandma (91) calls EVERYONE by the wrong name. Sometimes she catches herself and corrects the mistake, and sometimes she doesn't. We all just roll with it. What can you do? She's not doing it on purpose to try to be a jerk or something.
My favorite is when she calls a person by their cat's/dog's name. I love my grandma. >>>/oldpeoplegeneral/
my grandmother who is almost 100 and forgetful as hell dealt with me revealing that i was born intersex, was actually naturally closer to biological female before having my bits chopped about and raised male. since i decided to live accordingly to my natural biological state, she reacted with 'well you always did seem more like a little girl as a child'. She calls black people 'darkies' and says in school she was taught they were inferior but realises that she was taught wrong.
My other grandma (my nanna) is a babyboomer. she says 'i always knew you was a poofter' and the only way i could get her to name and gender me correctly was making a tranny version of a swear jar- she's tight fisted with money despite having loads and whacking on a penalty charge for it changed her behaviour.
old people are old, it doesn't mean you can hand-wave their bigotry and bullshit. it doesn't mean that they're beyond hope and redemption either. it does mean for elderly relatives, unless they are awful and bitter, it is best to give them time to adjust. if it takes someone months to learn how to use a new tv remote, its gonna take a while to learn names and gender. unless they're malicious and resistant, there's no reason to cut them off, just to not see them so much. if you're early in transition, seeing people a lot means they won't notice the gradual changes happening to you. a bit of time and space can work wonders for everyone accepting you as you really are, and helping keep your family together. you'll need the love and support. and the inheritance.
>>5686808 >who's external genitals look the same They are the same. Nobody has a penis that looks like a vagina and nobody has a vagina that looks like a penis. I'm all for accepting people who are trans and calling them by the pronouns of the gender they identify as but to expect a gay guy to be into vaginas just because you don't have tits anymore is ridiculous. I can't help that I was born unable to be attracted to something that is female (sex wise) and there's nothing I can do about it. I understand bottom surgery for FtM's is garbage but it will get better as our medical technology does and it will cut out a shit ton, but not all, the drama of being with a gay cis man
>>5686568 She's still in Canada. I'm in Eastern Europe and my grandma spent most of her life under communism. Besides knowledge of transgenderism remains extremely low across Eastern Europe so most people literally think it's just being "super gay". I don't think my grandma even knows gays exist let alone "super gay" trans people, she's never talked about either certainly. Plus she's my last surviving grandparent I can't just write her off.
>>5676851 I'm pretty sure this is satire, the child is blatantly putting her own emotions ahead of those of her family members on the basis of a vacant sort of pride for something that isn't any sort of accomplishment.
>>5687335 Why does it seem that the majority of transwomen in webcomics are redheads? Is it just because red hair stands out more that I only notice what color their hair is when it's red or do the majority of cartoonists making these things really do go for red hair?
>>5679156 If you talk in terms of consequences only I would agree with you. But hypocrisy is still hypocrisy and giving others a "taste of their own medicine" rarely accomplishes anything but make a person look llike a prick.
>>5687278 I knew I was trans from a very young age, only I knew it wasn't normal and that my parents would be mad at me if I told them, so I ended up bottling up my emotions and never showing them cos I didn't want anyone finding out how girly I was, emotions were only for girls so I stopped expressing them, also constantly analysed how I walked and moved, was about 7 when I started doing this.
Knowing you're trans from an early age can really fuck you up, even after transitioning for 5+ years I'm pretty sure I don't express emotions in a way that even most guys do, there's no highs or lows for me. didn't even cry at my dads funeral last month.
This is basically what happens when you do stuff to only make others happy.
>>5679166 There isn't really a consistent male or female privilege in western society. Despite what the feminists think (or say they think) we've reached a point in the west where men do have it better in some areas but worse in others and women have it better in some areas and worse in others.
The reason FtM vs MtF transitioning experience is totally unfair, socially, is because FtMs transition from where where women are privileged to where men are privileged whereas MtFs go from where men have it harder to where women have it harder. Thus causing resentment.
>>5676851 It's funny to me how in the early days of the gay rights movement people figured out the Nambla fuckery flying under the radar and kicked them out. They should have done the same to the trannsexual degenerates. That kid needs a good belt across the face and to be institutionalized.
The same people who cover my facebook feed with unsolicited self-love listicles and reblog sad news to show everyone how much they care are the ones who love these social justice-y comics and don't seem to have any interests beyond their politics.
>>5689109 pretty much, it's always cis tumblr pansexual allies, genderqueers, red haired femautists, or unpassing unemployed trannys that repost this shit onto facebook to feel like they're inclusive, educated or in some way influential. meanwhile, actual trans people are out there living their lives and rolling their eyes that this gender politics bullshit which is just people trying to earn oppression points.
>>5689211 Oh, are you the dogshit christian 4chan pedophile guy who insists his delusions are reality? Or are you just an idiot who thinks you can't be atheist unless you think you're better than everyone else?
>>5689071 I don't see how altering your self-expression to become more comfortable with your body is remotely comparable to raping children. I'd say YOU should be institutionalized for not recognizing the difference.
This is why transgender people are shit and why I will never be friends with any of them/why they never have many friends outside of other trannies or weird tumblr dykes.
The social contract they offer is inherently selfish and stupid. No, I'm not going to censor myself for you or address you differently than I would anyone else. I will call you as I see you. If that's too much for you to handle, you're free to find some other highly sensitive mentally ill person that will indulge your delusions and form a private hugbox. That or some liberal that doesn't actually care about you but just wants to use you as a tool to feel good about themselves since they see you as a weakling that needs to be patronized.
If I ever encounter some transgender person that tries preferred pronoun bullshit, I will tell them that my identity is that of a god fearing king, so they must address me as "My lord" and admit that they are an abomination in my presence, or else they are offending me.
>>5677131 >I don't see why anyone should be obligated to go out of their way and play nice with someone who refuses to respect them. If they refuse to accept the legitimacy of my identity, I don't see why I should want anything to do with them.
In other words, "see me as I see myself, or we can't be friends". I guess I should end my friendship with anyone who criticizes me since that's not part of my identity. My identity involves everyone loving me.
>>5689430 You're the biggest faggot I've seen on here this week.
You actually took /pol/ this seriously? You're remodeling your life because you went on a retarded image board. Sure, marixists and mudslimes are bad... but going full anon natsoc? How fucking easy is it to brainwash you?
>>5689390 Wait a minute, who are you calling deluded?
>>5689430 >The only acceptable pronouns to use for you people is it and they. "It" is not acceptable for people unless they specifically say they're okay with it. "They" is okay for anyone as long as they don't specifically state otherwise, and I use it for everyone by default. It's certainly preferable to use male pronouns to refer to a woman.
>cultural marxists nice maymay xddd
>>5689436 You never had any credibility to begin with, if you used "degenerate delusion" as a serious argument. As far as normies are concerned, we're all degenerates. And I like how you're not even trying to argue anymore than pedophilia is equivalent to transgenderism.
>>5689266 If being expected to show basic politeness is too much for you to handle, then you really don't have to worry about being friends. Just keep using 4chan as your only contact with people like all the other edgelords.
>>5689600 They might seem cartoonish, bu yes, they are the last bastion of truth.
>>5689571 The future of the West and its homosexual masculinist soldiers is no laughing matter.
>>5689741 >"It" is not acceptable for people unless they specifically say they're okay with it.
It perfectly acceptable to crazy people who mutilate their bodies tying to be something they are not. Homosexuality is natural and pure, but can be corrupted by promiscuity and lack of personal responsibility. Transexualism is a delusion.
>>5690312 >It perfectly acceptable to crazy people who mutilate their bodies tying to be something they are not. Homosexuality is natural and pure, but can be corrupted by promiscuity and lack of personal responsibility. Transexualism is a delusion. Both are equally "natural".
>You won't be laughing when the west will burn. The fact that there are those who hate the west does not prove the existence of cultural marxism.
>>5690312 >They might seem cartoonish, bu yes, they are the last bastion of truth. There can be no "bastion of truth" without freedom of speech. And freedom of speech is most definitely something that does not exist anywhere on 4chan.
>>5690423 So you claim you want a darwinist world. >let nature take its course But don't realize that in such a world you wouldn't survive either.
You also claim that by saying nigger faggot cunt you are enacting free speech. You seem to think hate speech is free speech. Being a provocative cunt is not free speech. You're just an anti-social retard.
>>5690423 >>natural Cancer is natural too. Are you going to claim cancer is manmade simply because we use chemotherapy and so on to treat it? And trans people have existed historically without surgery and hormones.
>Then how do you explain self-hating PCs and SJWs? Being opposed to hate speech, misogyny, transphobia and the like does not mean they hate western civilization.
>Nigger faggot cunt, 4chan is the epitome of free speech, unless you are a fat hambeast landwhale tumblurina that thinks that free speech is hate speech laws. Wrong. Just because it's tolerant of right-wing fascist shitposting, doesn't mean it favors free speech. The mods can literally ban you for any reason, they have zero transparency, zero accountability to the userbase. Reddit is actually a lot better for free speech - some individual subs might restrict what you say, but you can always make a new sub with your own rules. The site-wide rules are minimal compared to 4chan's, and the admins only get involved if a sub is heavily raiding other subs or encouraging criminal activity.
>>5690504 >Why should independent African nations be subsidies by western ones? If anything foreign aid is ruining their economy. Fuck you and your far-left horseshit. Foreign aid, if properly applied, can allow developing countries to invest in industry and become developed. Of course that's not guaranteed to happen. But in any case, foreign aid is a pretty negligible cost to countries like the US.
>It's funny how transexuals always subconsciously admit that they are cancer. But let me explain it to you slowly. You have a mental illness that should be cured, not enabled. Gender dysphoria is a medical condition, like cancer is. And there is no known cure for gender dysphoria, but transition is the most effective treatment. Other treatments, although ideologically preferable to those such as yourself, are less effective, and using them would therefore violate the basic ethical principles of the medical profession.
> Somewhere down the line it wasn't enough that you could role-play, no, you demanded that the state subsidize your surgeries. You are scum for using taxpayer money to fund your delusions. No, it's that when we have modern medical science we're obligated to use it. Societies managed to function throughout the middle ages without modern medicine, but that doesn't mean that people today would agree that "well, they did okay without medicine back then, so we really don't need it". And in many cases transition is not funded by the taxpayers, and even when it is the cost to the taxpayer is negligible.
>>5690528 College gays probably have a better understanding of Marx than Stalin did. Stalin was one of the least Communist of all the Soviet leaders, he was just a generic military dictator. All of the Soviet leaders were to some extent, except Lenin.
>>5687375 It's actually a thing for generally all cartoons, since it stands out and makes people look different whilst still mostly the same.
Still trans people generally seem to like webcomics a lot more then usual, probably because everyone passes in them and even if a character intentionally doesn't pass they can be made to seem look like a qt androgynous person.
>No you're not. Pay for your own flesh sack artificial vagina. As I said, most do. The point was that MOST people take advantage of modern medical science, saying "they did well enough without it in the middle ages" isn't an argument.
>>5690696 >Do you really want me to argue with you why commies/marxists are bad? That's like saying that Hitler dindu nuffin. Naziism was pretty much the personal philosophy of Hitler and as an ideology clearly argued that genocide was a good thing. Communism was created by Marx and Engels long before the USSR was formed. Is there anything they wrote that actually advocates genocide?
>>5686733 There's a difference between doing something by mistake and intentionally doing something.
If your grandparents are intentionally misgendering you and using the wrong name despite being asked nicely multiple times not to it's not inappropriate to at least voice how uncomfortable that makes you.
>>5691235 First time I smoked weed(I was also fading), I thought to myself "lol know i understand why blacks talk the way they talk, when I smoke I get on their level, im trans blck when i smoke homie, we crip walkin on my bloc homie, i show no love for a homo thug... etc".
>>5689169 Calvin was also fallible, he spoke like an adult but he was still just a naive, dumb, kid, he was a quintessential Smart Aleck. This is shit because it's just a Mary Sue know-it-all that spoon feeds the audience lesson after lesson without any sort of character development. Even if you agree with it its shit and comparing it to c&h is hilarious.
>>5693513 The vast majority of people here don't make unreasonable demands of others when it comes to misgendering, if you look like a guy they'll forgive strangers for referring to you as such. But if you explain to someone that you're not a guy, and that being referred to as such makes you very uncomfortable, and they still do it, that's something entirely different. If someone can't be bothered to not make you feel uncomfortable, even after having everything explained to them, they really don't deserve your compassion or respect. Mistakes are one thing, intentional misgendering is a blatant insult.
>>5676851 This comic is kinda embarassing to read, especially as a MtF. But it kinda does have a point usually, just.. presented in this horrible way which infuriates people.
Also, I personally do not understand why (often really superficial) family ties are considered to be so important. Sure, this person might have given birth to my father but she's still an asshole to me and my father. Why should I care about her anymore than I should care about some random woman being a bitch to us? I do care about MY family, but I don't consider all my million relatives to be part of my family.
>>5687223 >This is what a MTF with a pre puberty transition looks like without myspace angles and photoshop Why don't trans people just kill themselves? its worthless,no matter what you do you will never be a female.
>>5695571 Theres a bit more to life than passing or being male or female. If you want to kill yourself over that, thats weak as fuck. Either depressions make you suicide or youre just talking out of your ass. And what sort of depressions not passing gets you is on noone to decide.
Okay no seriously, what the fuck is this? It's just a rambling tirad of tranny liberalism. Does every page need a heavy handed fucking message? Jesus, her entire personality is based around being trans.
>>5695571 She looks just like any other woman though. Yeah she's fat, but that has nothing to do with gender. If you're going to play the "hurr durr trannies don't pass", you should post one that actually DOESN'T pass.
>>5687417 >Way to throw trans people under the bus, you shitlord. what are you even talking about? It's not like anyone else is special or deserving of recognition, this world is a wasteland where only the cruel can thrive, and your strategy of banding together for illusions of safety is what brands you as cattle here.
Of course I'm going to throw you under the bus if you're not going to fight and string up the people who deserve it; --you're getting in my way--.
>>5699131 One person hating on cis people is hardly equivalent to "systematic violence". Sure, it would be, if there were as many cisphobic trans people as there are transphobic cis people. But that's an entirely different situation and not really relevant to how things work in the real world.
>>5690468 >Being opposed to hate speech, misogyny, transphobia and the like does not mean they hate western civilization. Not that anon but are you retarded or willfully ignorant? Nowadays it's not even just tumblr that hates West/whites but even politicians in Europe are outright saying that.
>>5699709 Sure, but it would be illogical for the "sex" in homosexual to have two meanings, it must mean one or the other. And if it means biological sex, then the term must apply to ANY circumstance where everyone is of the same sex. Would it make sense to refer to a "homosexual workplace", meaning one which doesn't have any women?
>>5699958 >then the term must apply to ANY circumstance where everyone is of the same sex Why would it? Why couldn't homosexual just mean someone who's attracted to people of the same sex? When have you ever been in a room with people of different sexes and considered it bisexual? >meaning one which doesn't have any women? You do realize homosexual is not a term used to only describe gay men, right? Lesbians are homosexual too
>>5700105 >Why would it? Why couldn't homosexual just mean someone who's attracted to people of the same sex? Because the "sex" in homosexual must refer to either biological sex or the act of sexual intercourse. If it refers to sexual intercourse (which it obviously does), then it could reasonable be based on EITHER gender expression or biological sex.
>When have you ever been in a room with people of different sexes and considered it bisexual? I don't, and that's the whole point! We only use "homosexual" and "bisexual" to refer to situations where sexual intercourse is involved, which shows that the "sex" in homosexual refers to the act of sexual intercourse, not to biological sex.
>You do realize homosexual is not a term used to only describe gay men, right? Lesbians are homosexual too Yeah, I know that. I was just using that as one specific example.
>>5700135 >Because the "sex" in homosexual must refer to either biological sex or the act of sexual intercourse. Agreed and the answer is biological sex. The question was not why would the "sex" in homosexual mean either of those things, the question was why would a gathering of people of only one sex be considered homosexual? >We only use "homosexual" and "bisexual" to refer to situations where sexual intercourse is involved, So when two people of the same sex are involved in a romantic relationship you only consider it homosexuality when they're in bed? When I see two guys kissing in public or holding hands I don't assume they might be really close straight friends just because one of them isn't currently penetrating the other.
>>5700171 >the question was why would a gathering of people of only one sex be considered homosexual? Because, if you say "sex" refers to biological sex and it doesn't refer to sexual intercourse, then "homosexual" could be applied to anything one-sexed (since by that definition, homosexuality LITERALLY MEANS "one-sexed"). You could talk about homosexual relationships, homosexual marriage, etc - but merely calling someone "a homosexual" would just mean they're not a hermaphrodite.
>So when two people of the same sex are involved in a romantic relationship you only consider it homosexuality when they're in bed? Yes, because romance and sexuality are separate. It's generally assumed that homoromantic implies homosexual, and it's a reasonable assumption, but it's not strictly true. They may be homosexual, but they could also potentially be heterosexual or asexual or something.
>>5700202 >Because, if you say "sex" refers to biological sex and it doesn't refer to sexual intercourse, then "homosexual" could be applied to anything one-sexed No. We told you that that the term homosexual refers to the attraction of the same sex. >since by that definition, homosexuality LITERALLY MEANS "one-sexed") Homo doesn't mean one, it means same. Unisexual would be one-sexed, you pleb >It's generally assumed that homoromantic implies homosexual, and it's a reasonable assumption Outside the dorms of college kids taking queer geology 101 there's no such thing as homoromantic. It's just called homosexuality when you're only attracted to the same sex.
>>5700236 >No. We told you that that the term homosexual refers to the attraction of the same sex. Correct, the "sex" in homosexual refers to sexual intercourse.
>Homo doesn't mean one, it means same. Fair enough. However, by your definition, if I had a friend of the same sex as myself, I could introduce them as "my homosexual friend".
>It's just called homosexuality when you're only attracted to the same sex. So someone who is romantically attracted to the same sex, but is sexually attracted to either the opposite sex or no one, would be homosexual?
>>5700416 >Correct, the "sex" in homosexual refers to sexual intercourse. Incorrect, the "sex" in homosexual refers to sexual ATTRACTION. I can be attracted to someone I'm not having sexual intercourse with. > I could introduce them as "my homosexual friend". See above. Hopefully this is the last time we have to explain the definition >So someone who is romantically attracted to the same sex, but is sexually attracted to either the opposite sex or no one, would be homosexual? Prove such a person exists. Claims need proof
>>5700438 >Incorrect, the "sex" in homosexual refers to sexual ATTRACTION. I can be attracted to someone I'm not having sexual intercourse with. Okay, but sexual attraction is basically a desire for sexual intercourse. And homosexual BEHAVIOR is described as sexual intercourse, homosexuality as an orientation is just a desire for that.
>Prove such a person exists. Claims need proof What would qualify as satisfactory proof?
>>5700550 >Okay, but sexual attraction is basically a desire for sexual intercourse. Correct. Finally you're starting to understand >And homosexual BEHAVIOR is described as sexual intercourse Sexual intercourse between people of the same sex is considered homosexual behavior. Two people of the same sex marrying each other or expressing their love vocally to each other is also homosexual behavior. >homosexuality as an orientation is just a desire for that. That's what all sexual orientations are. They all revolve around a desire, or lack of, for sex from a certain type of person >What would qualify as satisfactory proof? Scientific studies. You know, Standard procedure. I don't believe people can be gay just because someone on 4chan said so
>>5700583 >Scientific studies. You know, Standard procedure. I don't believe people can be gay just because someone on 4chan said so Really? You didn't believe homosexuality was real until you saw the first scientific studies on it?
>>5700589 >the first scientific studies on it Not specifically the first one but, yeah. I used to think that people who were attracted to the same sex were either lying or delusional until I saw experts studying it and proving that people really can be gay. "Believe it because I said so" never worked for me. If it did I'd probably end up believing that the devil causes homosexuality, considering that the first people to explain what being gay is was the preacher at the Church I used to go to as a kid.
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