Girls have all kinds of *speical girly shit* they do like bath

You don't, gender isn't fucking real. It's pretty poisonous to think you can only have certain types of fun as a man or a woman. Live your life.

>>5665200
Men don't get to enjoy themselves. They're trained to reject their emotions to become an autonomous labor machines.
Either that or they're shamed as sissy bitches.

>>5665215
So that's a "no", then?

If doing girly shit makes me feel dysphoric, I just can't have nice things, at all.

>>5665200
yeah
go camping tbqh, actual camping and not renting a hotel in the woods

be one with nature, as opposed to what females do, becoming one with the chem industry

>>5665225
Yeah pretty much. That's why so many dysphoric AFAB people end up non-binary.

>>5665200
Step 1: Grow mustache.
Step 2: Wax said mustache into funny shapes.

>>5665223
Men are only "allowed" to be happy if they're a productive member of society. Girls just have to entertain the emotionally numb men in the only way they can understand pleasure; sexual gratification.

>>5665238
I've never seen a AMAB genderqueer. I'm pretty sure it's just an ugly girl thing.

>>5665231
There's snow out there and I fucking hate the outdoors.

Does testosterone fix that?

>>5665244
I'm too dysphoric to masturbate.

>>5665253
I was just being facetious.
Society, and the idea I'm supposed to somehow blend with it makes me dysphoric.

>>5665248
They exist, but because being an effeminate male is seen as disgraceful, most present in public as either cis men or trans women.

>>5665225
Idk, I'm bi, I'm a serious crossdresser that is pretty much out in public and I have tons of girlfriends that think I'm like their "boy expirement", so they help me do my nails, pick out clothes, etc. Girls are very fun, but I also like to hang out with my giy friends, play video games, smoke, talk about hot girls, go fishing. Anyway, you'll probably look like the biggest faggot on earth and draw a lot of attention to yourself, but it isn't all that scary once you've established yourself. Girls really don't have more fun at all. There are CERTAIN things I can do with girls that I can't do with guys, but nothing really relevant. In fact, the deepest talks i've had about life have been with my guy friends. If you have friends that only want to drink beer and talk about fucking, maybe you need to find some new friends.

>>5665256
I just want to find a way to relax and be comfortable for 15 fucking minutes.

>>5665259
I'm trans male. I look like an awkward fusion of a butch lesbian and a 12-year-old boy.

All my friends are nerdy tomboy weeaboo girls who don't do any girly shit.

I'm scared of cis men and I don't know how to behave around the ones who won't try to fuck me.

>>5665261
>Learn an instrument
>play 3-4 songs
>15 minutes

>>5665278
Idk, I think that's a socialization thing, like I don't have much on common with girls personality wise and they'll be the first to tell me, but I accept that and move on. Maybe you just have to accept that you were socialized as a girl, and some of your natural tendencies are going to be "girly". Talk to many guys. Go to school, bars, etc. It also depends on what you're looking for out of these men. If you're looking for th stereotypical "alpha males", I can say that not even many dudes are friends with those guys. If you're looking to find just a normal group of guys that will accept you, you pretty much just walk up with a beer in your hand and start talking.

>>5665299
What's the most quiet instrument there is?

I hate bothering anyone.

>>5665309
Play a keyboard with headphones on. Fuck everyone else tho, play what you like.

>>5665200
>this post
I think I will go paint my nails right now and laugh thinking of you OP

>>5665309
Keyboard or synthesizer. Or just go with a drumcomputer that has a synth built in. Anything electronic works cause headphones.

>>5665261
Meditate.
Yoga.
Read in a quiet spot.
There's literally a million things.

>>5665307
I just want male reassurance.

Girls can paint their nails or do their hair or pluck eyebrows and feel more like girls, having an external reassurance that they are indeed girls.

I guess men just literally don't have anything like that, then.

>>5665341
>I guess men just literally don't have anything like that, then.
ARBEIT. Nothing else.

>>5665215
Haha fags are so deluded

>>5665350
Are men incapable of work just literally not men?

>>5665359
Well work is essentially a man's worth so one could argue that you're in a certain way correct.

>>5665278
This is what's so retarded about trans people. You insist you're the opposite sex and that you've anyways "felt" like a man or women. But you, you don't even understand what being a man entails. How can you claim to be something you're so clueless about?

>>5665278
Based on your description I don't think you should be afraid of anyone wanting to fuck you

>>5665363
Someone once described it with being like a seasick squid.

A squid has been in the sea all its life, so it thinks feeling sick all the time is just what being alive feels like. Then it ends up otuside of the ocean for the first time and realises that there is such a thing as not being nauseous.

That doesn't mean the squid knows anything about living on land.

It's much, much less about "wanting to be a man" than "not wanting to be a woman". I'm not doing this because "I always knew I was a man", it's because I've always felt bad being woman.

When I wake up I start with my stretches in bed. Then I move onto the floor and continue with the stretches for 10 minutes.
I go downstairs to the kitchen and put on an ice mask while I drink my goat weed tea.
I then jog for 7 miles. When I come home I take a warm shower. My routine starts with washing my hair in a self-made shampoo and conditioner. I then use a non-paraben shea butter scrub on my face, neck, behind my ears and shoulders.

On my torso I use a balanced ph-soap, under my arms I use a natural tallow soap without perfumes or aluminums.

I scrub my back without any soaps as the skin often gets dry considering how often our backs is pressed against surfaces. I do the same with my legs and my buttocks.

I then apply another ph balanced soap over my dick, first rubbing it into the pubic hair, then the shaft before I pull back my foreskin. I make a little opening with my foreskin and pour about the size of a pea with soap into it, and stir around with a finger before I pull back and rub it with a cloth. Then I wash my taint and almost down to my asshole.

Now I wash my toes and under my feet, making sure to study the nails if there is any change needed in my diet.

And finally I wash my asshole with a very soft cloth.

I step out of the shower and dry with a towel made from egyptian cotton.
After I'm dry I apply a scented oil three times up and down my torso and on my wrists and let it dry.
I apply talcum powder on my dick, taint and between my butt cheeks.

If I have a beard I massage in beard oil, blow dry and style the beard before applying a wax made from beeswax. I also use a beeswax based hair pomade for my hair, and style it depending on the current length.

If it's winter my skin tend to go dry, so I might dab a bit of almond oil mixed with water on the affect areas.

>>5665374
I can't hang out with b one-on-one because every time it ends up with us arguing about whether I should, must, or am obligated to touch his dick.

>>5665381
*hang out with another guy

The screen fucked up and I don't know what happened.

>>5665341
I mean what, do you like hunting, fishing or cars? I hate all of these and most men I know aren't interested in these things at all, but these are pretty much the most "male" you're going to get. I guess there is also sports and competitive activities, but the thing is, I don't think someone with a genuine interest in these things is doing it "to feel like a man", I think they just do these things because they find it fun.

>>5665394
My grandfather hunts. I asked to come along once, but he decided to be selectively deaf then and that's my cue to not ask again.

Are there any sports where being small and not having a background of doing other sports is a benefit? I hate bringing a knife to a gunfight.

>>5665363
On the subject of "what a man is supposed to be", that's my gripe with transgendered people.
Why do you define yourself by what you were born with, and not your actions?

>>5665414
Soccer is a good sport for that. There are many short stars of soccer(5'7 and under). Thing is, you'll need to be athletic to keep up. You could also just find like a small club around you, so you can play for fun just make sure there aren't a ton of assholes on the team.

>>5665381
Literally why?
I guess I'm just not "progressive" enough.

>>5665440
The problem is I fucking hate being inherently worse than everyone else.

I don't really trust men who play sports. How do I avoid getting gang raped in the locker room?

>>5665443
>Literally why?
Because testosterone makes them horny and for some reason "because I want it really really bad" is a weighty, rational argument?

>>5665445
There's always a shitty player on the team. It also depends if you're "girl bad" or "guy bad". Like are you tripping over your own feet or are you just making bad plays. You aren't going to be gangraped if that's what you're scared of. Some of the club teams in my area even have female players on the roster. It's pretty normal.

>>5665448
>Because testosterone makes them horny
That's bullshit and you fucking know it. Next you're gonna say men rape because they couldn't control their erection.

>>5665452
But you have to consider the fact that I fucking hate sports.

I might be too depressed to feel joy, love or sorrow but I still have no problem to muster the energy to hate all team sports with the power of a thousand suns.

>>5665453
>men rape because they couldn't control their erection.
"can't" and "won't" are relative terms. Large size and peaked testosterone levels just make cis men a constant potential hazard, but most of them do their best to resist the constant temptation.

The same way those tamed tigers or bears in the youtube clips resist the temptation to kill and eat their handlers.

>>5665363
Because it's all a fetish for them. They get hard when they paint their nails or put on a dress, wet when they go fishing or drink a beer while watching the football game. Something that no normal, heterosexual guy or girl actually does. Basically, they're just in love with seeing themselves in the stereotypical image of the opposite sex. Otherwise, there are men who do "girly" things and women who do "manly" things, without physically yearning to become that inage of stereotypical "manliness" or "girlyness" themselves.

>>5665480
I'd be happy to be the girliest goddamn feather boa -wearing faggot if I could pass while doing it.

I don't pass. Just being an ugly woman makes me feel sick to my stomach.

>>5665478
You're talking shit, anon. Utter and complete shit. You're fearmongering. I can assure you that "big, high-test men" don't all want to fuck you.
>constant temptation
brother pls.
I'd say something about hating men and that's why you transitioned, but that'd be a shit, bait-y point.

>>5665377
that is some solid explanation right there. i like trans because they allow the rest of us to be a lot more free.

>>5665498
I'm not saying "big, high-test men" all want to fuck me.

I'm saying straight men always want to fuck those around them that they consider female (who aren't entirely deformed) but usually manage to keep it in their pants because they rationally know it won't be worth the hassle later.

I'm not trying to brag. If I stand in the middle of a highway and get hit by a car, it's not because me, personally, am irresistibly hittable. I just happened to be there.

>>5665512
>straight men always want to fuck those around them that they consider female
Absolutes. I sure don't want to fuck everyone female around me. Even less someone who wasn't born a girl.
>manage to keep it in their pants
I'm really trying hard here not to call you a misogynist/man-hater whatever the word is. Like you're making it sound like every man (need I remind you you used to be a man) is constantly fighting a losing struggle against their dick.
You're talking like dick is satan.

>>5665527
>(need I remind you you used to be a man)
I'm ftm. I've seen them lose the fight and ruin a perfectly good friendship way more often than I would have liked.

dick isn't satan, but it sure as is a god to some.

>>5665546
>some
anon is arguing ALL men he talks to wants to fuck him.
anon is arguing ALL men in the showers after playing soccer wants to fuck him.
anon is arguing ALL men are controlled by their dick.
Maybe, just maybe, you two know some shit people, rather than every man being shit.

>>5665553
>anon is arguing ALL men he talks to wants to fuck him.
You're saying it like it's personal. I'm under 40 years and 180 pounds and AFAB, of course they want to fuck me. It's not some sort of a special trait or honour, any more than having a shadow or getting wet in the rain.

>anon is arguing ALL men in the showers after playing soccer wants to fuck him.
Well, some of them are asexual, but as far as I know asexuals are a sexual minority.

>anon is arguing ALL men are controlled by their dick.
Some of them are asexual or suffer from low testosterone levels.

>Maybe, just maybe, you two know some shit people, rather than every man being shit.
I'm sorry, but if all cats that I've ever seen have one tail and four legs, I'm going to think that all cats have one tail and four legs.

I fully expect to become just as obsessed with sex as they are once I get on HRT. I, however, won't have a dick and probably can't orgasm without a vibrator, so I can probably keep that shit private.

>>5665546
My dick is satan. It constantly antagonizes me to put on a skirt and get fucked by men/take hormones and become a girl permanently.

>>5665341
You man up and be a fucking man. Become a strong, independent, successful person.

>>5665609
I wish there was a way of not being trans.

Being a man sucks so fucking hard and I haven't even started yet.

>>5665576
>AFAB
yeah I don't know what that is.
>of course they want to fuck me
That's a mighty high opinion you have of yourself.
Guess I'll have to pull the "insane expectations of gender"-card, or the "not all men"-card (to which you will probably say "if you don't want to fuck me, well, you're just low test/asexual!!!!"
Really, all your posts scream "I am sexy, everyone will want to fuck me once I transition" or some shit. It's just.... jesus christ. I'm not like Stalin, but he was also a dude.

>>5665632
Assigned Female At Birth. If you have a cunt they'll want to fuck it.

>>5665200
You're thinking way too much about this. Men don't think they just do. If you want to be like a man observe men impartially. Be a scientist about it not a stupid faggot.

>>5665644
>observe men impartially
where can I do that?

I have no access to places where I can study men in the natural habitat.

>>5665616
The upside to being male is that it's somewhat easier to do those things than if you are a female with the same drive, because people will take you more seriously. You can't expect much help though.

>>5665658
The world is heartless to women who want to make something of themselves, and to men who don't.

>>5665379
i take female hormones and just reading this paragraph was the gayest thing i've done all day

>>5665637
>If you have a cunt they'll want to fuck it.
again, you're judging an entire gender.
The amount of people I don't want to fuck is insanely high.

>>5665705
Well, there are two options here. Either 50% of men want to fuck anything that they think will put out, or I am extremely fuckable.

Considering that I'm bull fucking ugly, the only logical conclusion is that men want to fuck anything at all.

>>5665696
Next I prepare my first meal. A porridge made from dinkle and oats, with berries and prunes. As a side I drink wolf berry juice and a white tea. I then scramble four eggs for four minutes.

I jump ropes for 20 minutes and box while I try to memorize revelations as memory is the golden key in life.

After that I eat three pieces of bread that I bake each Sunday with chickpea paste, lemon marinated tuna, cherry tomatoes and spinach paste with a side of a kiwi and beets smoothie.

Then if it is needed I shine my shoes. I light the shine on fire, put it out and rub the shine in with a mixture of my spit. It is a ritualistic meditative action that leaves me practicing some of Shakespeare's sonnets.
Rituals are a masculine pastime and to not live your life better than the royalty and fairer folks of old could in this day and age is a shame.

>>5665751
well, I suppose I'm just not a Real Man, then.

I do some *speical girly shit* and im a guy...

>>5665781
I'd like to advice you to get your testosterone levels tested.

>>5665807
because I don't want to fuck everything that moves? Honestly, I can't say I haven't considered that a possibility. But really, what would you say?
>hey doc?
>yep
>I want to get my hormones checked because the media and a transsexual person on the internet tells me men must always want to fuck everything with a hole
>do you have any other symptoms?
>uhh... I guess I have trouble falling asleep sometimes?
I doubt I'd find anything useful if I googled "symptoms of low testosterone".

>>5665855
>Hey doc, I have reduced sex drive, do you think it's low T?
I've had the same doc for almost 20 years so there is nothing I can't talk to him about. He wasn't even a gay friendly doc til me :3.

>>5665807
I did this and had normal levels. Still don't want to fuck every hole.

>>5665887
So you don't have any female friends?

>>5665855
>Honestly, I can't say I haven't considered that a possibility.
Because, considering I masturbate mostly out of a belief that it minimizes the risk of nightly omissions (be glad you won't have to deal with that shit) and I've yet to see any person where I genuinely thought "I'd like to put my penis in that", I wouldn't be surprised I have low test.
On the other hand, I definitely have had long fantasies that left me hard for half an hour plus, so clearly I can be turned on by something.
>>5665880
It's just... there's literally thousands of possibilities for low/no sex drive. Not enough fat in your diet, retarded expectations from porn, lack of sleep etc.

Let's say I get a test, I DO have low test, and I get pills/injections/I dunno, what now? what if
a) Nothing changes
or
b) I now have to deal with wanting to fuck everything.
I don't want that. I'd like SOME sex drive, but not the levels you believe are normal

>>5665895
I have four close male friends and three close female friends. Extended circle of 8 male friends and 5 female friends. None of them give me erections, in fact I only get erections if I'm in bed with someone.

I started HRT because testosterone is gross. Masculinity is gross.

>>5665912
Definitely get your testosterone checked.

There's a reason why straight guys have a problem with their girlfirends hanging out with guys.

>>5665200
OP, here is an incompllete list of stereotypically male interests

>watching sports
>>>/sp/
>weightlifting
>>>/fit/
>car stuff
>>>/o/
>'nerd' interests (comic books / video games / anime)
>>>/co/
>>>/v/
>>>/a/
>making stuff (e.g. woodworking)
>history (esp. military history)
>>>/his/
>guns
>>>/k/
>hunting
>>>/k/
>outdoors stuff
>>>/out/
>computers
>>>/g/

If you mean like generic modern millenial guy, it's mostly just watching porn and playing mobas

>>5665927
you replied to the guy who got his testosterone checked, and it has normal. Not me, the dude you think has low test.
I wanna say straight girls are uncomfortable with their boyfriend hanging out with girls, too. That's simple jealousy, not necessarily because he or she thinks their boy-/girlfriend will fuck around.

>>5665927
I have had every level in the endocrine system checked. First everything but t levels were normal. T levels were 938 micrograms when they should be much lower. Second time they were about 500, and last time everything was normal. I'm told it's normal to not want to fuck everything and never get random erections and not to worry about it.

>>5665957
isn't "normal" T-levels 300-1000 that-one-unit ?
That's still some wild swinging.
I still think it's weird I have no desire to fuck anyone, and has yet to have a crush. Or it's explained by how I don't talk to many people.
That's more likely than a glandular problem.

>>5665942
Okay, thank you.

>>5665957
Then nothing makes sense to me and we might as well blow up the planet.

>>5665966
They suggested asexuality but sex doesn't repulse me and I very much want to be in sexual situations I'm just not horny. Normal levels my age should be 300-400 and that's were they are. My doctor said not to worry or think about why the levels varied and to get another focus in life that doesn't have to do with sexuality.

>>5665970
Hey, don't apply your case on my anecdote. In my case levels are normal and I have, outside of wanking , no horniness/libido. That doesn't mean things can be different for you.

The pretty boys move their hair around a bit but nothing crazy.

guys are mostly cool with their appearances. i'm really the only one that spends forever in there but i'm mtf.

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>>5665200
>masturbating to sports
What?

>>5665986
That's pretty close to how I feel.
I can easily make up scenarios that I'd like to, well, "play out". So I definitely want to have sex.
I just don't get aroused unless I'm lying in bed at 2 am, and even then, it's not like I jerk off to my thoughts.

>>5666017
you know. dude things.

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>>5666017
>not cranking a load to golf
porns just about sex to you, right?

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>>5666017
>tfw the island was a good movie but no one agrees with me

>>5666027
I jerk off to my thoughts + porn. I also don't have any issue with gender of people as in I can easily find a man or a woman attractive it just doesn't do anything in the pants area unless I'm actually jerking it.

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>>5666033
>>5666040
I mean I do get hard when I watch american football because of all those men and all that contact, but I never thought about masturbating to it.

>>5666050
>I can easily find a man or a woman attractive
maybe that's where my missing link is.
I can't say I've seen any girl I'd consider 'beautiful' outside of movies. Even then, it's just an acknowledgement of a fact to me.
Like, it ends there. "She's pretty". That's it.

I just... I don't know if >>5666058 is joking or not, but I'd like to experience that. Getting hard to a scene in a movie, or seeing something, whatever.

>>5666069
actually, that's a lie. Monstergirl quest gave me what I'm saying I'd like to experience.
I'm talking shit.

>>5666069
I've never experienced that either and I've spoken to my doctor and therapists about it and they say that I'm not 14 any more and that people that don't think as much as me don't really pay attention to their erections. They just get them and think everything is normal so it's easy for you them to say that they get diamond heard from a picture or tv but that it isn't really like that. Since that didn't happen to me at 14 either they suggest asexuality or that I'm thinking too much about sex and they want to put me on ssri. I find it funny that trans folks get put on hormones because they feel they are a different gender but me wanting to fulfill what my gender is get put on antidepressants that will kill the last bit of libido I actually have. Testosterone supplements are a big no go and they tell me to stop suggesting it because levels are normal and that it is not a solution.

>>5666058
Did nobody ever tell you that transgender girls and guys have a fetish yet? Apparently girls get wet when they put on a skirt and do their nails and guys get hard when they put on a football uniform or do "manly" things. Has nobody realized that trans people have an extreme fetish for what they think the opposite sex should act like yet?

>>5666110
If you're cis then hormones is risky bc it can fuck up your natural T production. Trannies are gonna kill ourselves otherwise, and we don't care about our natural hormone levels anyways. Plus if you have normal T levels then it's probably not a hormone issue.

Sometimes people have lower than normal sex drives

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>>5666148
But that's normal, I'm cis gay and I get boners from those things as well. When I shave my legs I get boners, when I'm lifting weights I also get boners.

>>5666110
oh yeah. I've seen that argument on /fit/ a lot - they also mention that girls can be hormones from birth control.
Honestly, ever since he(?) mention low test, I've been thinking: Let's say it's true and I get syringes/whatever... what then?
What if my mood changes, how I feel changes? That's not me, that's the testosterone.
That's a scary as fuck thought. What happens if I can't get more?

>>5666148
I'm a trans guy and literally nothing I do ever arouses me.

Except the concept of humiliating fat dudes, but that's rare.

>>5666172
I'm cis yes. I just find it odd that I have no sex drive and that I'm not like >>5666174 and never have been and that it's turned me into a wizard. Trans people always say that they discover their sexuality when they start hormones and suddenly things makes sense. It must be better to do that than to walk around like a zombie all the time.

>>5666174
True, and tons of nonfemmy gay men are also attracted to themselves in ideal "manly" situations. This is why you see them gym ratting and attempting to become their ideal version of masculinity, and are also attracted to other men who they admire that way. I'm also a gay guy, so I can confirm this to be true. Anyway, the "normal" man or woman will not have fetishes like this, no matter how much they want to belive this is true.

>>5666179
Honestly I would love that. If I got androgens or testosterone and I wanted to fuck everything I'd love that life. I don't care if it's "not" me. I view that as getting drunk or drinking caffeine, it's in my body it happens. I'd much rather experience sexuality in this life then to go without it.

>>5665200
I don't think so senpai
all I do is shitpost on 4chan and stuff my face with food and drink pop
and masturbate, can't forget that
otherwise, no
procrastinating is my best skill

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>>5666209
I just fucking wish I could get a /fit/ bf I hate the hairy fat monkeys from gaygen, and most guys on /fit/ shave.

Anyway everyone has a weird fetish, "normal" people just repress theirs, and live miserably because of it.

>>5665258
>They exist, but because being an effeminate male is seen as disgraceful, most present in public as either cis men or trans women.

I'm kind of this. I see myself as somewhere between genders and fall on the fem side, but because being seen as a fem guy is a special kind of hell inviting all kinds of abuse from strangers I mostly try to pass as a girl. Plus sides include people being nice to me, but I don't particularly think of myself as a woman.

All the AFAB genderweirds I've met are like "I like to wear bowties sometimes so I'm a man on wednesdays and a girl on harvest moons."

>>5666219
I had planned to write "it's kinda like when someone tells you 'yo, you're so much more fun be around when you're drunk!'", but I decided to skip that.
I totally agree that I'd like to want sex and experience that, but it's still a scary thought. Who are you, what makes "you" you?

>>5666199
So youre normal except you don't get boners as easily? (you still experience sexual desire)
can you elaborate

>>5666193
There's a difference though. If you were a butch lesbian pre-transition, you won't have those boners. If you were a hetero girl with a fetish pre-transition who watched yaoi and read gay slash all day, you'd have been aroused while doing "manly" things. Literally every girly girl who writes a thread about "feeling male" here has described arousal at "doing manly things" ). Things like having facial hair, drinking a beer and talking about hot chicks, playing a game of football, putting on a manly tank top, etc. The inverse is true for trans-females. It's just kinda funny when you look at it for what it is.

>>5666243
I'm the guy he's talking to, but not him.
I jerk off for the sole reason of thinking it decreases nightly emissions. I don't want to fuck anyone (but I want to want to)
I feel like there's some fundamental part of life I'm missing out of. Like, if we say the purpose of life is fucking and passing on your genes, I've completely missed that.

>>5666240
I don't think anything makes me "me". Our bodies constantly change, the only way we know we are us is through the narrative from the past we tell ourselves and the hopes for the future we tell ourselves. I try me best to live here and now, I never give up on the idea that I too one day will experience sexuality. I try everything I can to get to that point but I just feel like an outsider whenever I hear or read how it happens for other people. I've never had the feeling of suppression either, like if I feel something or think something I immediately accept it as a part of me. I feel very little freight or anxiety. So far the only thing I have opposed is asexuality because I don't really believe in it. Like if you were content with not being sexual there isn't really a problem but if you want to experience it and you're not taken seriously that's wrong, you know.

>>5666293
>I just feel like an outsider whenever I hear or read how it happens for other people.
Ain't that the truth

>>5666243
I have never gotten random boners. I have never gotten wet dreams. I started jerking off when I was 9 and since then I have abstained from jerking off for as much as ten months without any horniness returning or libido showing itself. If that makes me normal I find it weird that everyone else say they get hard from just looking at a picture. If I put on porn and don't touch myself I don't get hard. If I sit next to someone on the bus and imagine the most deprived sex acts I don't get hard. I only get hard if I touch myself. Is that normal?

>>5666311
Are you saying you relate or that it makes me an outsider?

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>>5666329
My only wet dream was that I was living with two jocks, they kept my dick locked in chastity and used me all the time as their sex slave. I was allowed out of chastity during a shower if they fucked my face. Too bad woke up, best dream of my life.

>>5666368
I've never had sex dreams so I can't relate. Maybe you can't dream about things you've never experienced I don't know. Sounds like your situation is a bit different from mine.

>>5666358
I relate.
I feel I'm missing out on something "normal people" feel. Like I'm missing a central piece of the puzzle.
>>5666394
I can definitely fantasize or dream - I remember my last wet dream consisted of watching two girls fuck on a bed.
Other than that, I'm with you.
[spoiler]I'm starting to genuinely consider if I have a hormonal issue. But the fear of my doctor calling me a moron, and the fear of - even if there is an issue - nothing changes afterwards, freaks me the fuck out.[/spoiler]

dude just go to the gym

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>sports
>gym
>outside
>building stuff
>destroying stuff
>video games
>drinking
>cars
>boistrous behaviour
>classic MANLY THINGS
>total freedom
I don't why this isn't everyone's dream. Girls are weird.

"straight-acting" bi here

I just watch a lot of sports. Apparently that's "straight-acting." I don't particularly care what it's considered, I've watched sports my entire life

>>5666415
Then we at least feel the same there. I've never worried that my doctor might think I'm a moron, this is something that I want to figure out and it's their job to figure it out. Like I said I don't worry about anything except asexuality. That would be accepting defeat to me. No one can tell me that humans shouldn't have a sexuality or a libido. If you think it's hormonal go get it tested and get it fixed.

>>5666480
Eh. I don't like doctors. Having to make an appointment and basically already saying I know what the problem is, just give me what I want.
I just imagine going in there, and the little note on his computer says "i want my test levels checked", and he asks why, and I explain how I have no sex drive, don't feel horny, have difficulty sleeping, I feel like I'm missing out on something essential to life (like your comment about him stating you're asexual - I'm clearly not)...
and he gives me sleeping pills because "lack of sleep can give all those results"
or he gives me antidepressants because "depression can result in all that"
or - worse of all and the real thing I fear - he says "that's normal" and I sit there with a dumb look on my face while he expects me to leave, to be happy that "I'm normal" despite feeling abnormal.

>>5666247
So if I've never been AROUSED by doing masculine things, I'm not really trans? I just hate women? Does that cause dysphoria too? How do I make it stop?

>>5666518
fear of the unknown is the worst kind
if he tries to give you sleeping pills or SSRIs or other garbage just say "no" and go on your way

>>5666518
That isn't how it happened at all. I went to my doctor and explained that I have no sex drive. It was hard and it brought conversations I'm not used to having outside of the internet but I felt it was now or never. I said I had boiled it down to three things; hormonal, neurological or psychological. She said we should figure it out and dismissed neurological at the spot. She said we should test my blood levels which brought on the three blood tests, she gave me a subscription for cialis and sent me to a psychologists. Now six months later we're not any further and she's suggesting asexuality. Don't be afraid.

>>5666541
it sucks, because I know logically a doctor should want what's best for you.
>>5666556
I know this is insane, but I'd expect a "why do you need this?" I googled what she gave you - why would I, someone who's never had a girlfriend, need to get an erection?
Already now I know I'd choke up on his questions - basically, it boils down to "I feel like I'm missing something basic" and that's that.
I don't know what else to say, really. I want to feel sexual desire.
>psychologist
Not really a fan of these either. Seems like you pay them a fuckton of money to talk about what you think while doing something, or how you feel.

Isn't there a MEN ONLY website on the internet called the gentleman's guide or something? I'm Cis female but they have a lot of neat stuff sometimes that's for men t do male stuff. They had one article on how to make LED light circuits in a minature altoid box and a miniature grill out of the altoid box too along with guides on how to shave and discounts on razors and dumb shit like that. It's kind of a novelty website though.

>>5666589
I've never had a girlfriend or a boyfriend either. Sexuality is considered a basic human need so I said fuck it and went for it. I wanted to try a psychologist because I was open to the fact that it could be psychological and I wanted to be honest. At any point you can say that you don't want to do what they suggest, unless you are admitted to a psyche ward you are the one in control. I figured I'd rather take this to be absolutely certain rather than speculate. Your doctor can't say why do you need this because this is your life and as long as you can pay for it they are on your side.

>>5665453
Well, surely we wouldn't see men rape so frequently if they weren't horny from all that testosterone.

>>5665553
They didn't say ALL men, they said that enough men are like that for it to be a significant risk. It's the same thing people say about Muslims - not all want to kill gays, not even most do, but enough of them do for it to be a risk many don't want to take. And, with the standing in the highway metaphor someone made earlier: SOME cars will see you and stop in time. But that doesn't mean standing in the middle of traffic is a smart thing to do.

>>5665576
>I'm sorry, but if all cats that I've ever seen have one tail and four legs, I'm going to think that all cats have one tail and four legs.
This isn't really accurate, that's a good general description of cats, but most people think men aren't completely controlled by their dick. Think of it more like thinking all cats have brown or gray hair since you've never seen one with any other color hair. But yes, the degree to which men sexualize others inappropriately is something I find uncomfortable too, especially when they act like you're violating their rights for calling them out on it and asking them to stop. This I think is a lot of where the "feminists hate masculinity and want to feminize men", because to THESE men, being told to stop catcalling women is equivalent to being castrated and force-fed estrogen. So the type of men you're talking about definitely exist, but I like to think they're just a vocal minority.

>>5666634
you raise valid points.
I promise to think about it more, but I probably won't make an appointment in a while.

>>5666589
Like the other anon said, sexuality is a huge part of our lives. If the doctor is questioning you or shaming you then he or she is a shitty doctor.

There's occasionally asexual general threads here, they can probably help you with more specific things if you turn out to be ace.

your physician will start trying to figure it out by process of elimination.

I have my boy toys

Like a cool car or one of those light up keyboards

>>5666659
Please do. For your own sake, you like everyone else deserves to have a sexuality.
>>5666680
I'd stay clear from that. They want everyone that posts to be asexual.

>>5665632
>yeah I don't know what that is.
Assigned female at birth.

>That's a mighty high opinion you have of yourself.
>Guess I'll have to pull the "insane expectations of gender"-card, or the "not all men"-card (to which you will probably say "if you don't want to fuck me, well, you're just low test/asexual!!!!"
Again, I don't see them saying this is true of ALL men. Just enough to be a general pattern. You know, it's like being surrounded by people with guns and being told "not ALL of them want to blow your brains out". It's really not reassuring at all.

>>5665658
Yeah, it's good to be male if you tend towards being dominant and independent. If you're the kind of person that doesn't feel confident in yourself and your ability to make your own decisions, being male really sucks.

>>5665673
This.

>>5665792
>likes girly stuff
>posts on /lgbt/
>"I'm a guy"
Not for long...

>>5665807
gr8 b8 m8

>>5665914
Sounds like AGP.

>>5665927
>There's a reason why straight guys have a problem with their girlfirends hanging out with guys.
Yeah it's because of jealousy, I think it's more of a social thing than a hormonal thing though. And I don't think it's healthy, it's kind of ridiculous to have your entire worldview regarding gender revolve around this paranoia of threats to your sexual relationship, and I think if you're that concerned about it you must not feel like you can trust your partner enough to even be in a proper relationship with them.

>>5665986
FYI you don't have to be repulsed to be asexual, they're two seperate things (though they often go together - there are plenty of non-repulsed asexuals; you rarely hear about repulsed non-asexuals but that might just be because they don't know the word for it). But yeah, low sex drive doesn't mean asexual, and it could be caused by low T but there's all sorts of other factors as well.

>>5666701
>I'd stay clear from that. They want everyone that posts to be asexual.
Uh, not really. At most, we try to avoid asexual elitism and say that asexuality is more based on a general lack of desire for partnered sexual activity, rather than making it about libido or "sexual attraction" (a concept that is very hard to understand for those who've never experienced it). We're usually pretty clear on the fact that having a below average sex drive, or a sudden lack of interest in sex isn't asexuality.

>>5666680
I'm not asexual. I can go into extreme detail about the fantasies I've thought up if you'd like.
It's just... outside of fantasy-land, I have zero desire.
>>5666701
aw shucks. Thanks for caring.

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>>5665200
Nah, and, assuming you're a ftm, don't overdo the masculine bro-dude stereotype. Don't abide by that at all, actually. Fucking bitch.

>>5666711
If you also have a fetish for being a girl, being a male really sucks.

>>5666728
I posted my story there and I got told that yeah you're asexual and you should accept it even though the thought makes me sick, depressed and suicidal. I want to experience sex and be normal I can't see how asexuality is real and not just a problem. There are monks that give up their sexually but people that want to be close to others and don't have the biology have something wrong with them.

>>5666736
Have you looked into the tumblr snowflake sexualities? They can get mocked here but there might be a term for your circumstance

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bittyn/how-internet-teenagers-helped-me-finally-at-30-find-my-sexua#.otnwNZVoO

>>5666760
I will take a look. Thank you.

>>5666736
I'm kinda like you, I'm only ever attracted to people I'm really close to, like a good friend and a romantic encounter, nothing else really gives me an erection

>>5666793
Oh well that's just... that's great...
yeah...

How do i become 'one of the guys'

>>5666926
By not trying. Relationships between guys are relaxed, not very serious, and casual. If you're trying to show off your masculinity, you're doing it wrong.

>>5666926
I'm the guy's "gay best friend".
I don't even know how I got here.
I use the same method of being friends with guys with girls and it doesn't work at all. It's like women know I'm gay for them and avoid me because of that.

>>5665377
That's a perfect description.

Not OP, but I grew up with girly shit crammed down my throat, despite me not really liking any of it and feeling uncomfortable with myself and my body, but now that I've come to terms with being trans, I've got no clue what being a dude entails me and how to be more "manly" so instead I just immerse myself in weeb shit and video games and hope that's good enough

>>5666953
I mean, my method is drawing pictures of lesbians on stickpads and whenever a guy makes a peace sign, I mimick and then lick the "V". Sometimes I talk about how much I love eating melons and how the core of fruits like peaches and papaya turns me on. What's the big idea?

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>>5666926
>friend 1 is the hype guy
>friend 2 is the bitch guy
>friend 3 is the miserable guy
>I am the girl
'Girl' enough of a sting but I don't even get a descriptor? Fucking assholes.

>>5666926
It's a natural tendency that your fetish will never let you feel.

>>5667002
>friend 1 is a depressed guy who wants to get stabbed to death
>friend 2 is a gamer who acts really closeted at times
>friend 3 is just a strange guy. Calm, but unknowst his next action
>friend 4 is an e-friend who thought I was a boy at first like every other e-friend I have
>friend 5 and 6 are jokesters and 5 acts pretty homo around 6 who doesn't appreciate
>I'm the psycho femme Hitler apparently
Well a title is better than none at all. I don't even get the Hitler part. I love Dreamworks and matzo balls and Seinfeld.

>>5666760
Well, it's impossible for me to say if it could be right. It could be, but I don't know.

>>5667083
Not saying that you're specifically demi, but you could be on the ace spectrum.

>>5665637
pmuch, its nearly impossible to be friends with males pre t.
maybe its cause i'm only involved in the metal community who is comprised of almost entirely virgins, but a month into every friendship i get "so u wanna fuck?""wanna be my grilfriend?"

to answer your question op, no. there are female things, and unisex things. female clothes, and unisex clothes, female hair and unisex hair, women want to be a part of everything, just so they can make sure they're allowed, leaving nothing for just men

>>5667113
I assume "ace" = asexual?

>>5667131
Yep. out of suggestions now tho
Good luck anon

>>5666759
Well, do you fit the definition of asexual? Being asexual doesn't mean you have to like it, being depressed with your "true" sexuality is a real thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego-dystonic_sexual_orientation

So it's possible to be asexual and wish you weren't.

>>5666793
That sounds like it's some form of demisexuality.

>>5667002
That's usually the way it is in the media too. Whether it's a sitcom or action movie, the main female character is just "the girl".

>>5667059
Dreamworks is Jewish?

>>5667151
I found a list of tumblr sexualities.
Going through it, and asexual - Grey A seems plausible. Low sex drive, attracted to very few people or only interested in sex in very specific scenarios.
You have been very helpful

How often do you people go to the doctor?

>>5667115
So how would u make guys see you as one of them and not just a girl they wanna fuck

>>5667188
Once each month.

>>5667002
you dont get a descriptor because there's no need to differentiate a single girl, not because they're assholes. there's multiple men so it makes sense to do so for them.

understand?

>>5667223
How old are you?

Cis gay dude here, guess I can try to help bu don't expect much.

I was thinking you could probably get more into the grungy side of masculinity if you aren't into the usual "Sports, beer, tits!" as much as most dudes are. By grungy I don't mean nasty or ugly, think more of a kind of stoner aesthetic.

Being involved with weed is definitely a more on-face masculine hobby (Not to say that girls can't be heavily into it, but that's what society is right now so please trans people don't stab me).

Personally I can see enjoying weed as something great to introduce you to the more manly side of things, get a few (male) friends together, smoke, and you will be fulfilling that male bonding time like crazy, and that experience is bound to rub off on you.

But if you wanted to take it a step further, getting more into the 'party' scene will definitely masculinize you. Nothing more manly than wanting to get fucked up!


And a message to all the anti-weed folks who are bound to reply negatively to this, it is just a suggestion from personal experiences trying to fit into a more manly crowd as someone who grew up as a closeted gay dude who really didn't get fitting in for a long time.

>>5665215
You're acting like an SJW faggot, of course gender is real. How the fuck were women enslaved for 99% of human history otherwise? Men and women have huge physical and mental differences

>>5665200
>How do I man.

Start by accepting and internalising that no-one, but I mean NO-ONE gives a fuck about your feelings.

That's 90% right there.

Then go out and actually do stuff.

>>5667984
Most of those biological differences fall under sex, not gender.

>>5665200
>Girls have all kinds of *speical girly shit*
Surprise! Women and men have different skin and taste perceptions so cosmetics and foods are targeted accordingly even though so many of those products work for both well and are just a marketing ploy that encourages gender divisiveness even more.

>>5668208
To give you an example of how you might have misunderstood: marketing trials have shown that women _prefer_ things that are colored pink or are in some way "girlish".

>>5667469
18

>>5665215
*Triggered*
There are genders, they just have wrong stereotypes on it.

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>>5665231
>becoming one with

>How do I man.
First, you don't ask how to man. See men that you respect and admire, and do the things that they do that make you respect them.

>Do men have anything just men do
Warfare. As in combat arms.

>>5665341
Does killing your enemies count?

>>5665359
They're treated as worthless. Not quite the same.

>>5665414
Small is sometimes an advantage at shooting sports.

>>5665381
It isn't that different than when a gay dude hangs around cis dudes, right?

>>5665478
Nothing wrong with hating sports. What shit DO you like anyways?

>>5665652
I'm imagining a TV show, ala Crocodile Hunter

>Now, not ALL men spend Sunday watching football or in church. Hear that? That's the sound of the North American Biker roaring across the countryside. Look at his chrome and his plumage! See that patch? That means he's still a juvenile. When he gets older, he'll have three of them across his back. Now if you want to be safe around them, you NEVER touch the bike, but what we're going to do here is grab him by the tail, and give him beer, and rub his belly!

>>5665248
>>5665258
/femgen/

>>5671849
>what we're going to do here is grab him by the tail, and give him beer, and rub his belly!
T-that's fucking lewd.

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>>5665200
Paint ball, vidya games, marksmen ship, hunting, boxing, growing beards, building, actual useful gardening, do it your self repairs, fixing cars, actually maintaining cars instead of killing them, getting swole the fuck up, music, art, writing, politics beyond "I'm voting democrat and I don't know why", etc, etc....

All the things that women are garbage at basically, and would get a "you didn't do as good, but yay for you having a vagina and trying your best" medal for.