>tfw ugly Is there really any point in being a below average

Your utter lack of effort and experience is showing through your contempt anon.

Try harder, or at all.

>>5658429

Not a gay guy, but yeah, I've noticed that gay male culture is fucking awful in that regard. I don't get how so many people in a broad demographic can be so shallow.

My condolences.

>>5658448

>I don't get how so many people in a broad demographic can be so shallow.

Because you're looking at a narrow sample.

>>5658447
Why did you immediately assume that I havent ever tried?

I think youre a believer of the just world fallacy

And for the record, yes I have tried, consistently for years

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>>5658501
deranged middle ages art is good

>>5658450

Hopefully.

I've had to tell any gay friend I've had to shut the fuck up whenever they go off on dramatic entitled tangents about how they are the best and deserve nothing but the best.

I guess the main part of the problem is that people arent going to sift through tons of below average/normal looking people to find a potential partner

They only take the risk when its worth it, I guess this has created the current culture of things being looks based, its effectively peacocking, and why relationships tend to take place between attractive men, the ugly ones just dont get to express it

>>5658429
Just fucking work out you idiot.

>>5658760
Working out doesn't cure a ugly face.

>>5658760
I actually do

I ironically do almost every single thing to improve my chances, from cardio to spending a lot on correctly sized clothing, skincare, every fucking thing there is

>>5658760
LOL
there is nothing funnier on the planet than a manlet with an ugly face but a ripped body, I'd pay to see more of them in public tbqh

>>5658780

Post pics.

From the rest of this thread it sounds like an attitude problem on your part t b q h.

>>5658780
Then post face, I doubt you're actually ugly.
>>5658788
You're probably just a ugly bitch with too high standards.

>>5658429

Is there a point in being below average in looks for anyone?

>>5658791
Please explain what you think an attitude problem means to you

If im working out, dressing well, eating well, and going out regularly and talking to people, I should be having some success right?

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>>5658799
>You're probably just a ugly bitch with too high standards.
lmao you seem personally offended that there is no curing a butterface

>>5658803

The gross generalistions in the OP.

>>5658827
Those generalisations have been built up as a result of my personal experiences though

>>5658429
do you have a skype of kik, OP?

>>5658820
>picking a black guy with very big problems with his teeth
Nevermind the fact that black people already have shit genetics for face aesthetics. He could look a lot better if he simply went to an orthodontist.

>>5658832

How is that a defence?

Your personal experience is limited; if you have not had success with your current method then change the method.

In my experience there are plenty of non-promiscuous gays who aren't looks obsessed, they're just not as easy to come by as grindr sluts for obvious reasons.

>>5658848
You can't cure ugly faces though

>>5658844
Yeah that's the point. You can work out, your body can look great, but that won't fix an ugly face - you still need to see specialists to fix such.

>>5658848
my current methods are literally having gone to places where gay people congregate and trying to talk to people and largely being utterly unsuccessful, lgbt societies, a bar, friends of friends etc

whereas from stories i hear on this board and in other places, most people are able to obtain relationships without any effort

i didnt say all gays were promiscuous, but that gay culture and dating is largely looks based

>>5658855

Unless you are literally a 3/10 or below there are ALWAYS things you can do to appear more attractive.

But you won't even post a pic, so we'll never know. Instead this thread is going to go around in circles, pointless.

Just get an ugly bf; there's your easy answer.

>>5658868
Good looks aren't made just by the face, that nigger you posted is 4~5/10, fix the teeth and he would be a 6 maybe even a 7 if he do some face modelling.

One way or another there's always something you can do.

>>5658881
So if im not ugly, what IS my problem?

Ive tried to meet all the requirements, I cant figure out anything thats left

>Is there really any point in being a below average looking homosexual male?
As a fellow fuggo fag I'm compelled to say NO but I know it's more nuanced than that.

The way you smell.
The way you carry yourself.
The sound of your voice.
Your wit.

We fall in love at first "smell." Aka pheromones.

Kindness, for instance, can make a person more attractive in addition to making them more likable. A 2014 study found that positive personality traits actually increase perceived facial attractiveness.
Know of beautiful people who instantly become ugly after finding out how mean or nasty they are?

Don't let your appearance get you down. I forget sometimes and slip into a spiral of self loathing and suicidal thoughts.

>>5658429
OP, post outline of your face, block out as much as you want but post something.

>>5658895
Pheromones are highly pseudoscientific

>>5658448
welcome to the world of being a sexual object for dudes. Its pretty much the same for unattractive women.
the response for that is always "hurr women can get laid if they lower their standards" the same is true for uggo gays. If you want to just work a gloryhole all day, enjoy a million dicks.

>>5658930

Ugly women can find a partner easily; ask your mother.

>>5658906
id rather not end up as some kind of meme

and even if someone says my problem isnt looks, what do i do then? i guess that just means im even more fucked

>>5658918
I believe in something of that kind.
I knew a girl IRL who I thought smelled awful! A friend was wild about her, her smell and whatever else.

>>5658954

OH FUCK

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>>5658976
>>5658840
>do you have a skype of kik, OP?

>>5658999
im squeamish about giving away details and as i said im not worth interacting with

>>5659020
[email protected]

I put a throwawayemail out there, if you change your mind.

>>5658930

I don't think ugly women have as hard of a time finding a partner nearly as much as ugly guys do.

Straight women tend to really romanticize men because of the way romance has been popularized in media, at least in the US. That makes for a whole bunch of entitlement, i.e. he has to be perfect because I am perfect uwu

>inb4 *tips le fedora*
I'm a cis female who has had many opportunities to fuck unattractive men because they lowered their standards enough out of sheer desperation.

The world we live in today has totally fucked us up (Internet, media, etc.).
We're being bombarded by an insane amount of above average-looking people and who wants to settle for anything less?
People keep looking for the next best thing. So many people are miserable because they believe the grass is greener.

>>5659105
But I feel like it still should be easier to find people
Considering this is the only acceptable era to not be straight

>>5658429
There are always people uglier than you. Just fuck them.

The only thing about being ugly is that you don't get to be as picky. I mean, fucking think about it. If you were a 9/10 guy, would you actually want to fuck the ... I don't know, 4/10 current you? Would you think that was fair? "Personality" can only do so much. And even then, why wouldn't the 9/10 prefer another 9/10 who ALSO has a good personality?

Fucking selfish pricks, you deserve your fate.

>>5658894
I'd guess you're just autist. Sucks, but happens. It's unfair, but it is something you'll just have to deal with. Good luck.

>>5659036
The only difference is that women actually fucking hold their legs closed unless whatever guy actually meets her unrealistic standards. This effectively means that the worst women are having very little sex, if at all, but this increases all their values since offer is now lower than the demand.

Whereas guys are so fucking thirsty they'll fuck anything. So women get the advantage since they're willing to hold out on their disgusting vaginas.

But then gays are all guys, so they all want to fuck, so there's no gatekeeping the sex... so things work as they should and the ones who feel like they deserve more than they actually deserve are just left to rot. Why would a better settle for them, anyway? Specially since they can get someone on their own level with so much ease.

>>5659606
you seem like a complete asshole and also a retard

>>5659643
Straight guys have stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st19d6huwq4 so they can easily score above their level just by acting differently. There is no similar thing for gays because gay guys in any group (from twinks to bears to jocks to what have you) all sleep with each other. Ugly people can't sleep up but find other ugly people, average people have really little to nothing.
If the straight scale goes from 1 to 10, the gay scale sort of goes from 1-3 and 7-10, the average isn't really present.

>>5658776
Being a slim, weak faggot twink doesn't make you hot. Men should be strong, with low bodyfat. Finding out that I'm gay is really motivating me in the gym cuz I can mirre a guy and appreciate his aesthetics in a none homoerotic way(fit way) and in a sexual way(without feeling like a beta).

I'm trying to get shredded bro, and it really motivate me when I jerk off to muscled guys. I think liking to look at muscled guys is pretty straight, even straight guys like looking at a strong man, It's not as gay to like physically aesthetic men as it is to be a filthy twink hunter. I don't get gays that like guys that look like weak boys and feminine men, that's pretty gay.

A big cock trumps an ugly face.
A ripped strong body with a decent looking cock trumps an ugly face(ever heard of butterface?), all dem muscles, you can get lost in them.

You're pretty shallow anon.

>>5659802
id take someone with a nice face over some generic spess muhreen yawnfest any day

ugly people are ugly, sure maybe if we get ripped we can make headway being fetishised by guys with poor taste

>>5659802
The past two days two different straight men in separate conversations, without me leading the conversation into such a subject told me that for them to consider being with a man they'd have to be feminine and opposite of them as masculinity was not something they were attracted to.

>big cock and shredded body
yet I am the shallow one. Fer sure.

>>5659842
I'm not as gay as you. I'm pretty sure when you say ugly face you mean someone with an average face(generic gays are that horrible). Also studies have shown that guys that look at random women's faces they found 75% of them hot while girls that looked at random faces of guys only found 25% to be attractive. In other words most guys are considered ugly.

>generic spess muhreen yawnfest any day
What does that even mean?

p.s.
I'm not talking about relationships, I'm talking about hook ups.

Wanna know why "ugly" guys get hot girls? It's because in most cases the girl has been around them long enough to start knowing them, and from there people stop being so harsh about there experiences and often focus on the positive features.

>>5659869
>yet I am the shallow one. Fer sure.
All I'm really saying is that I wouldn't turn down a guy with an ugly face, if I knew he was hung.

>>5659912
And all I'm saying is that that makes you even more shallow then just turning down someone for being ugly.

>>5659919
Why? At least I'm not being mean. I'd come off as the better man, because my lust for big cocks would over ride the handicap of being ugly. How can you twist thinks around so much in your head? I'm the one that can look at a person and weight in the good and the bad, if he has a bad face maybe I can look for some other good attributes that he has.

How is that being shallow? If anything that's being open minded.

>>5659955
lmao your lust over big cocks isn't some charity work faggot

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Whats even happening in this thread

Just tell me how to get bf

>>5659955
Exchange big dick for money or any other superficial thing then you might understand it. Looks can somewhat be improved on but dick size can not.
Let's reverse the situation someone you clicked with on a personality level but had an average dick, would you dump them? Someone fit but with a small dick, do you dump them? Someone fit, small dick but with money do you dump them? Do you see where this is going?
You've boiled things down to a list to the extent that you are just crossing out which things matter more. Big dicks obviously ranks higher then other things, that's quite shallow because you are not looking at the person in front of you you are looking at superficial qualities and you just highlight and underline the point OP made.

>>5659978
please be in london

>>5659961
But I'm still not as shallow as you though.

>>5659995
Nah, we're not at the same level of superficiality - you're worse. LOL

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>>5659998
I run on cold reasoning, you run on faggy feelings and passive aggressiveness. I bet you're a narcissist or have some other kind of personality problems that makes you act the way you act.

>>5659998
>>5660029
I take it I won this internet arguement, I'm less shallow than you sir. I'm a good person, and you're a horrible cunt.

>>5660029
Suomalais-ugrilainen

>>5660029
>>5660225
I was actually having a laugh for a good half hour or so, thanks for that angry red froggy

>>5660250
You do know I was half joking right? But I do actually think I'm not as shallow as you, because I bet you find most average looking guys to be "ugly". I hardly ever go through the day thinking "damn that guy is ugly" or acting like a teenage girl on grindr "ohh look he so fugly".

That's why I'm a better/well rounded individual than you, you sound like a typical mean spirted bitchy gay guy.

>>5660324
Im not the guy youre replying to but from an outside perspective you seem like an unbelievably awful person and I would rather nail myself to a tree made out of barbed wire than ever encounter you in real life

>>5660324
I honestly can't tell if you're still joking or not so I'll just laugh.

>>5658429
If you're ugly, why not just get plastic surgery? It's not like you're ever going to pass your ugly genes to your future child.

South Korea has plastic surgery down to a fine science and a fine art. Take a trip over there and come out looking like a supermodel.

>>5659802
>Being a slim, weak faggot twink doesn't make you hot. Men should be strong, with low bodyfat
>"bro"
L
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>>5658429
OP, what you should do is just make other gay friends. It could be at a bar, or a club, or a public group.
If you show off a "look at me I'm physically attractive" while being a boring as fuck gym rat will only get you a few guys lusting after your dick and body and NOT with who you are as a person. If you want a loving relationship with someone else, the odds are better if you go out there, make friends with other gay guys, and see where things go instead of just relying on your body to attract men.
-from a fellow ugly gay guy who now has a loving boyfriend after ditching going to gym every day and began focusing on building relationships with other people

>>5660383
I have mild autism so do you mind explaining what's so awful about me? Maybe I'm sometimes not aware of how normies think "good people" should act. Nomries are so phony sometimes because they get off on thinking they're so rightous human beings.

>>5660401
>mild autism
>mild

>>5660425
Keep in mind that all that talk about being a better person than that other anon was a joke. But I still don't think I'm as shallow as that other anon.

Can you people just do a step by step of why I'm such a horrible person? Is it just because I'd fuck a ugly guy if i knew he had a big dick? Is that really that haram way of acting?

>>5660396
Im terrible at making friends
As in I literally have no friends at all and dont have the faintest idea of how to create rapport with people

>>5660396
>-from a fellow ugly gay guy who now has a loving boyfriend after ditching going to gym every day and began focusing on building relationships with other people

Don't listen to him, people are awful in general. That's why you need to better yourself because people will try to hurt you and put you down and emotionally try to fuck with you.

>>5660466
where are you from?

>>5660466
W8? have I been talking to OP the whole time?

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>>5659802
>I'm trying to get shredded bro

Jesus Christ kill yourself

>>5660525
B-b-but why? And why do people get so mad when I use the word "bro"? I'm using it kinda ironically but not in a condensing kind of way.

I find nothing more sexier than a muscular guy with a low body fat, when the veins in his arms start showing, so fucking glorious. I'd like to touch their body and have them be rough with me.

I'm sorry for not being the average run of type homo, I've been in the closet for a long time so I tend to have a heterosexual mentality.

>>5660499
Im the OP
I dont think im the one youve been talking to
This thread has gone completely off the rails

>>5660559
>only likes big dicks
>not the run of the mill type homo
bitch please

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>>5658429
Welp, it must suck knowing that 52 stone whalewomen can get more action than from fetishits. I suggest just buying some lube and a bad dragon dildo to make your Wednesday nights interesting considering that you aint gettin no cock from any pretty boys you slag.

>>5660597
But why are you all being so mean to me? You're acting like I'm some kind of horrible sociopath. What you've been coming at me with kinda hurts... I'm really thin skinned. It was just banter after all...

>>5660630
Who the fuck are you
Im not the guy youve been arguing with

>>5660647
>not the guy you've been arguing with

Regardless my point stands, stop trying suck cock and grow up a bit. Life aint about the amount o'dick a sailor can get.

>>5660659
Honestly if im spending my life alone id rather just fucking slot myself

>>5660643
you're a good roleplayer tbqh

>>5660667
>slotting yourself with cock and cum
>2016
If you're alone just go to /r9k/ u sissy fag desu

>>5660647
>>5660659
Jesus Christ, you faggots are really mean spirted. I'm not OP btw. But faggots like me get more love on /fit/, /b/, /pol/ and /r9k/ than here. All those places are toxic and bad for you in high doses, but /lgbt/ doesn't seem to be any better. It's like it's full of bitter, snarky homos just waiting to bring a nigga down a notch.

>>5660673
That was a genuine post anon. I took some sleeping people, which can make me sentimental at times...

>>5660685
to slot onesself is an idiom for killing oneself

>>5660704
You're a bugchaser?

>>5660667
Don't take what these faggots are saying srsly, they're obviously trying to make you feel worse(who knows why? edgelordism? get off on hurting other people?), there are some wicked people here on 4chan. A bunch of them are edgy enough that they get off on trying to make other people an hero(slot oneself). The guys on this thread seem rotten to the core, since you told them you're suicidal I bet they will try to make you feel even worse(because these people want you to kill yourself, they get off on it).

Just thinking about it is giving me a panic attack.

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>>5658429
To be completely honest with you, I can't find any point in being a below average looking homosexual male. I mean.. I'm not great lookin but I don't exactly get lonely. However, for you, it seems, I could not say the same. Sorry man.

>>5660800
And that's why OP needs to overcompensate by going to the gym a lot. Gays seem to be worse than women in shallowness.

I've been told many times that I'm handsome by various people(even on grindr) but that really isn't giving me the courage to post a profile pic of myself on grindr(because I'm dead afraid of rejection, and I don't want people to know that I'm gay until I've had gay experiences, I want to be sure that I'm gay). That's why I'm hitting the gym 6 times a week, dieting trying to get a beach body before the summer comes.

I have very low self esteem to begin with, I'm socially isolated from my pair group, im to shy to make friends.

Sure there are guys on grindr that want to meet me, but I'm too afraid....

What's so wrong with overcompensating? especially if you're gay(most gays seem to do that anyways). Gays are harsher critics of males look than women and that really scares me.

Autistic anon here:

This thread really hurt me, I was being called a horrible person couple of anon(maybe just a samefag troll), but it really kinda bothered me why I never got an answer about what was so horrible about me...

>>5660849
I just dont see how going to the gym will help at all if im isolated from the whole scene

Ill just be a larger, ugly man

>>5664909
You'd be a butterface. Butterfaces get laid more often and easily land partners.

>>5660849
Where do you live?

>>5665065
Iceland. Why you ask?

>>5659893
>I'm pretty sure when you say ugly face you mean someone with an average face(generic gays are that horrible). Also studies have shown that guys that look at random women's faces they found 75% of them hot while girls that looked at random faces of guys only found 25% to be attractive. In other words most guys are considered ugly.

This is it imo. Most men have faces like a hairy cheese grater. Women have superior facial aesthetics, while men have hotter bodies. This is why twunks are the best of both worlds.

>>5665472
Was curious if you were nearby.

I didnt follow the thread, but is anyone from germany here?

>>5665534
>twunks
You're just a borderline pedophile anon. I'd much rather prefer a man with a strong jawline and a manly body.

>>5665575
>You're just a borderline pedophile anon.
well how old are you yourself?

>>5665651
26

>>5665651
How old are you btw?

>>5665678
22