Gay Men Turning Straight

>>5657054

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I'm also bitter at the fact that there are so few resources to help men who want to change, largely because of these massive faggots who shout that they were "born this way" and that this desire is "normal". I know it isn't. I know that most homosexuals aren't truly happy. Just look at how hard same sex couple are trying to model after straight relationships. That is ultimately what most homos want.

But because these faggots have managed to bully everyone into "accepting" that homosexuality is genetic and that reparative therapy is "damaging", I'm just supposed to accept my degenerate behavior as destiny and never attempt to improve myself.

Despite the mainstream saying that the idea of a faggot like me transforming into a mentally healthy adult male is impossible, I am determined to change. I know that it is going to be hard, as I will literally be re-wiring my brain. But life will not be worth living unless I manage to achieve this. I'm honestly going to off myself if I'm still homo in my 40s. Very few things are sadder to me than an elderly homosexual man.

>>5657057

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So /lgbt/, where should I begin? Like I said, there are very few resources to help with this problem, and the few resources that I have found are almost exclusively Evangelical Christian websites that want me to cure myself through "faith" and "giving myself up to God" I'm agnostic, and have loads of problems with Christianity. I am searching for legitimate, scientifically backed, tangible methods for essentially "training" my brain into liking women.

The only thing I've been able to think of so far is watching a lot of straight porn. But porn isn't exactly the most mentally healthy thing either, so I don't really want to solve one degenerate habit with another one. I've also tried thinking about the origins of my homosexual attractions and have attempted to really get to the bottom of why I'm attracted to certain things and what events in my adolescence may have triggered them. This has helped a little, but it will definitely be a long road ahead.

So does anyone have any advice? Any gay men in the same boat? Any men who have managed to change their desires to at least some degree? Any psychologists who have non PC opinions that go against the mainstream voices in the field and media? I need some serious help. Just any advice that could help guide me to this life I truly want.

accept the dick

>>5657054
Mate it's just not gonna happen. You can delude yourself all you want but you're not just gonna magically stop liking dick
Maybe you should think about where your disgust for yourself stems from and why you hate yourself for being a homosexual so much instead
While it's silly to assert that we're "born this way" with no scientific proof, I can say for damn sure that your sexual taste just isn't a choice
You say that being a homosexual is ruining your life but it seems more like your hatred of homosexuals is ruining your life

Td:dr

If you like dick you will always like dick

If youre not attracted to females you cant teach it

Accept the dick

>>5657054
Find a righteous homosexual and make a family together.

>>5657104
>>5657109
>>5657115

This is a good summary of why I hate faggots. Good God. Why did I even waste my time asking for advice.

>>5657127

It's a little difficult to find a man with a womb. Unless you mean I find a lesbian woman with a similar mindset as me and we cover for each other? I have thought about that before. But I have no idea where to even begin to look for someone like that.

Regardless though, having a beard doesn't solve the problem, it just masks it. I'm not going to live my life like that.

>>5657054
I used to hate myself for being a faggot because of the LGBT lobby. I thought that degeneracy and animalistic lust was everything faggotry was about and wanted to fix myself as well. It is true that 90% of faggots are lustful degenerates, but there are some truly godly, chaste and moral ones out there. Do not judge faggotry based on the LGBT degeneracy, it is merely the result of leftist politisization of faggotry. The fact that it is more visible does not mean no other alternatives exist. You can be a faggot and moral, just find a partner who is not lustful trash

>>5657140
sorry mate, doesn't work like that

can't stop being gay by wanting to be not gay. just gonna make things worse for you with repression.

I'll defer to this anon >>5657104

Good luck anon. If youre going to do this then you'll likely become some weird pervert child rapist. I mean, lets look at the far right wingers.

I think, what you need to do, is enter a MMF relationship. Ideally, MMFF. Knowing how men are (and please, you do), you'll eventually end up cheating. Just find a woman who's willing to get in a poly. They exist. If you're as flashy as you say you are, this should be easier for you than for most.

>>5657140
Because you expected to hear what you wanted to hear

Instead you got the truth

>>5657156
You could find a surroga

>>5657163
*surrogate

>>5657140
Lol you are one
Alright, I'm sorry for posting accept the dick, but this guy >>5657109 has some good advice. You can't change your sexuality. You can suppress it though, sure. They are very few resources for what you're looking for because it's impossible.

>>5657158

I know that there are some good gay men out there, and I truly respect them, despite my "homophobic" posting.

I guess there is more to my story. I do have attraction to women, but it is incredibly weak compared to my attraction to men. I imagine that the sexuality of most straight men is the inverse of mine. (I think the Kinsey scale is legit. I just think most men who are 5%/10% gay have zero incentive to ever tell anyone about it.)

>>5657156
>having a beard doesn't solve the problem, it just masks it.

Not all homosexuals are effeminate, don't judge them based on what you see in the media. I have a beard and I am a massive faggot.

>>5657172
OP you're trans transition immediately

>>5657178
He does act like an insane tranny with dysphoria to be honest

>>5657162

No. I wanted to hear something insightful. 50 posts telling me to just accept the dick is a waste of space. Literally everyone irl says just to accept the dick. It's nothing I haven't heard/read before.

This is one of the only corners of the internet where I could potentially find an alternative perspective that isn't just Evangelical bullshit.

>>5657180
But why would you want to find a woman when you can just find a male partner who is not a slut and get a surrogate to carry your child?

>>5657180
there is no alternative perspective. either you accept yourself or remain in this state of extreme denial.

looks like it's gonna be the latter.

>>5657173
Uhh I don't think you know what having a beard means

>>5657161
I have zero sexual interest in children. I don't see how that what happen. I think your second scenario of me going for some dick on the down low is the much more likely reality. That is why I want to re-wire my brain. So temptation isn't as big of a deal.

>>5657054
I also want 10000000$ bro

>>5657180
If everyone's telling you the same thing there might be something to it. If you're as smart and charismatic as you say you are you'd be a popular queen

>>5657180
You cant change your sexuality, lets be blunt about it, you can spend the rest of your life with a woman but if your gay, you wont be happy imo.

>>5657178

What makes you guys think I'm trans based on that post? I'm being dead serious, no trolling.

>>5657180
I'm sorry I started the accept the dick thing
I feel bad now

>>5657200
It's a joke.

You see, we have people like you posting literally every day. It's just some fun at your expense.

Although technically you'd be straight if you did

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>>5657183

I'm not in denial. I know that I'm gay. I am just extremely skeptical of the idea that it is impossible to change what you are attracted to. People learn to like new foods, new hobbies, new music. What is so impossible about acquiring a taste for women?

>>5657140
Embrace the dick

>>5657212
But why would you want to change?

>>5657192

I know I'd be one of the most popular gays around. Being king of the retards isn't exactly what I'm aiming for though.

>>5657200
Tranny confirmed

>>5657218

And instead be an subpar straight male?

>>5657203

Don't. It's 4chan. This is pretty much what I expected.

>>5657224
So when are you planning to transition?

>>5657054
Man, when I realised I liked men, I was scared and didn't like it at all, but now, three years from then, I'm in a one-year lasting relationship, happy. I just accepted myself, because I was sure that I didn't want to be gay...

>>5657224
look

we aren't gonna tell you what you wanna hear

no one is, no one truthful anyway

you can't simply convert yourself. it'd just make things worse for you. anyone who knows anything about this will tell you as much, because it's the answer.

you can't change that, so change your bigoted-ass views. or maybe find a gay guy who thinks the same. then you can hate everything together.

honestly. try dating websites. there's probably one for gay Christians out there.

>>5657217

Because I feel like a heterosexual relationship and offspring would be more fulfilling than being with a man. Honestly, a boyfriend isn't any different from having a platonic male friend, besides trading blowjobs. The whole reason "relationships" and marriage even exist is so we have a way to keep track who children's fathers are.

And I also just hate that I am attracted to men in general. I value friendship with other men so much, and I feel like sexual feelings taint it.

>>5657218
Lol duuude hahaha I also don't like 90% gay people, and they "give my personality bad image", but to me it's important what my friends think, and every single one said that there's no way I was gay and that I'm nothing like other gays... Just accept yourself, or become a Christian and accept yourself :)

>>5657221

false dichotomy

>>5657240
Except you'd have no way how it feels to be in a truly heterosexual relationship so you're stuck with us.

Go see a drag show or something

>>5657240
No, the sexual feelings complete it. Sex is a form of bonding. You see there is a difference between lust and romantic love. The difference between a platonic friendship and a homosexual one is mutual romantic feelings. It is also exclusive and lifelong, unlike most friendships. If you want children just find a surrogate

>>5657248

Not really. Even if you try dating girls you'd always in your mind have to remind yourself as such it would be a very rehearsed process. An average straight guy wouldn't have that issue

>>5657250
He does seem like the kind of person who would be fucked by trannies to convince himself that he is straight

>>5657259
Drag queens aren't trannies. They're actually fun

>>5657240
>tfw no bf to trade blowjobs with

>>5657256

Wouldn't those connections in my brain just get stronger and stronger though? Until it becomes practically automatic and I don't have to "rehearse" anything?

The fact that I do have some attraction to females gives me hope. I've read that the more you masturbate/orgasm to something, the more solidified those connections become in your brain. So if I were to get off more to women, wouldn't that theoretically make those connections stronger?

It's annoying how everyone is just repeating that what I want to do is impossible, without giving any real explanation why.

>>5657270
You can always choose not to be gay, my degenerate friend.

>>5657270
Pray the gay away, it works.

>>5657270

If it was possible don't you think gays would be doing it en masse? It's something that alienates them from friends and family and invites emotional and physical abuse. But as a gay person you can choose how you live so by all means try, you wouldn't be the only one.

>>5657270
you might be a little bi, but even if you are the attraction to men isn't gonna go away.

but sexuality isn't something you can mould. it's not a skill to learn. that's not how it works.

>>5657270
conversion therapy tries things like these and it doesn't work. all it does is build up an association between women and you masturbating, not an actual attraction.

same the other way round. people have tried inducing vomiting when looking at attractive men to try and "cure" that. doesn't work either. the attraction remains, just mixed up with nausea. screws things up all the more.

it's a whole separate deal.

>>5657280
I feel like most people in general just don't have that kind of willpower. Fuck. I haven't had that strong of willpower up to this point. And I could very well fail in the future like everyone in this thread is saying.

I think none of the younger gays are doing it because they have been fed the "born this way" bullshit and don't believe it's even worth trying (That is clearly evident just by the responses in this thread)

I would suspect, however, that if there are any men who have successfully re-wired their brain in this manner, they were/are probably closeted like me. I don't think that many "out" guys hate themselves enough to ever consider doing what I want to do.

I feel like that the secretive aspect of it is why I'm skeptical of changing one's sexual preferences being impossible. I mean, if gay guy managed to be successful with changing his preferences, why would he announce his former homosexuality to everybody? He would have no incentive to do so.

>>5657280
>If it was possible don't you think gays would be doing it en masse? It's something that alienates them from friends and family and invites emotional and physical abuse. But as a gay person you can choose how you live so by all means try, you wouldn't be the only one.

I've seen some gays act all morally superior, when they act all debauchee. And get angry when a "homophobic" parent tell them if they can turn it down a little, because their children are here and don't want them to watch.

>>5657281
I haven't deluded myself into believing my attraction to men will ever fully go away. My main goal is to make my attraction to women way stronger, and my attraction to men weaker.

>>5657301
Accept that you are trans

>>5657286
finally, a response that isn't retarded faggotry

>>5657189
Why fight a poly? A good poly is much more successful I'd imagine, as far a power couples go. People are more open to that sort of thing these days.

>>5657316
Kill yourself degenerate

>>5657301
doesn't work like that
you can't change that of your own accord
see >>5657286

if you're attracted to men a lot and to women a little, that's how you are

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>>5657320
Deny your feelings once more

>>5657301
Maybe you haven't find the right woman, keep searching.

As a bisexual having come from straight
>inb4 you're a sexually deranged figment of your own imagination
The fact is that we!re attracted to people, OP. I hate to propogate stereotypes against Bis in general, but i have to make the concious choice to turn off my sexual inclinations entirely just to get through the day. Everyone catches my eye and making friends with anyone remotely attractive is just not an easy thing to do. Often it isnt possible at all

My best solution has been to take the ones that catch my attention the most and make a move. If they say no it makes our relationship clear cut and easy to manage. It informs both parties and evens the score. Sure, they're still hot, but i know that anything more than friends is off the table. If you're meant to be friends it will happen just as naturally as if you were meant to be lovers.

>>5657054
Just pray away the gay desu

>>5657419
They do not smell different from other poo

>>5657061
To "get to the bottom of it" you have to first understand that because your mom ate trash while you were in uttero, you are a raging homo. It is by "nature" that you are the way you are, even if it isn't Natural. God speed anon, may you have many fine, white babies.

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>becoming ex-gay

You simply don't, you'll suppress your desire for dick but you won't stop enjoying it. There's also a big chance you keep wanting to fuck every single male because you are sexually deprived, and that happens with heterosexuals as well.


OP is the usual homophobic right-wing manly dude who secretly wants dick, nothing new here.

>>5657668
My mother did eat a shit ton of doughnuts and put on like 50 pounds when she was pregnant with me. Was it really her fault?

But yeah, despite the overwhelming negative response, I'm still going to get married and have as many children as possible, regardless of how successful my attempts at becoming straight end up being. Whites are already such a small minority. I literally wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't do my part. I have top-tier genes. My race needs them preserved.

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>No, I'm actually an ex-gay, anon.

>>5657671

>OP is the usual homophobic right-wing manly dude who secretly wants dick, nothing new here.

I never claimed to be special. I'm sure there are millions of men who fall under this description.

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>>5657731
It's just that when you have a strong gaydar or are gay/bi/wtv yourself, you detect too many of these, and they always have the same speech and are a nuisance. Just fuck off and go live your lie if you hate being gay so much, but don't bother people who are trying to live a decent live without lying to themselves.

Gay guys arent trying to emulate what straight couples have. They are living the same monogamous, loving, caring partnerships that straight people have also been doing as well. It has nothing to do with the "straight" aspect

That being said, the fact that you don't think homosexuals are capable of that is extremely insulting. You may not be able to see yourself in such a relationship with another man but many of us do achieve that. And they have kids, and get married, and care for each other, and support each other, and grow old together, and truly love each other as romantic as anyone.

And just because you think you hate 90% of gay guys just says you haven't met many. Were an incredibly diverse bunch. I once told a friend of mine the best thing I can do gain acceptance for gay people is to just keep living my life and keep meeting new people. I can't tell you how many people's minds I have enlightened by doing just that. And you have certainly met people like me, you just didn't necessarily know they were gay.

Fuck women if you want, whatever. Its your life, not mine and what you do in bed is no business of mine. But this attitude you have about gay men and gay relationships is nothing but insulting and straight up close-minded.

>>5657742

I'm not bothering anybody. If you don't like my thread then just ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to reply.

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>>5657054

>>5657759

Interestingly enough, the more homosexuals I've met, the more I've grown to hate them. Meeting you wouldn't change my mind. It would probably solidify my objections to the gay lifestyle even further to be honest. My dislike of most homosexuals stems a lot further than just hating obvious and obnoxious flamers (that is just one of many aspects that contribute to what I find to be a huge cancer)

Like I mentioned earlier, I have zero problem with the small percentage of gay men who aren't unbearable faggots. But it is most definitely a small percentage, and virtually all of them are closeted or extremely discreet about it.

>>5657793
>small percentage
You mean silent majority. Most of us are normal people, we do not go to gay bars and pride parades or advocate for LGBT culture bullshit. You wouldn't even know if you saw a regular gay person

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>>5657793
Wrong, your hate of homosexuals probably stems from your upbringing, probably religious values and just you being a plain bad person who can't simply accept people can be ridiculous and happy and you can choose if it disturbs you.

You can try as much as you like just like Milo Jewopolous but you will never escape the crave for dick

>>5657804
Milo is the ultimate whore. I agree with most of what he is saying but he is too much of a whore not to hate

>>5657798

I never said I liked all closeted/discreet guys. I just said that almost all guys who are alright are in the closet/discreet. There is plenty of closet cancer to go around. Fuck, a good percentage of straight men are fucking cancer as well as far as I'm concerned.

>>5657821
I was referring to discreet gays, not closeted fags. Most closeted fags are subhuman degenerates who are too selfish to abandon the prestige and advantages of straight life and end up having orgies behind their wife's back

>>5657814
You're just jelly your "daddy" isn't the next president of United States.

>>5657829
what?

>>5657803

I actually had a very liberal upbringing. I could tell my whole family that I am gay and they would be very accepting. I was actually a pro-gay marriage liberal as a teenager, believe it or not. Then I slowly became more and more exposed to the real world and grew up.

Like whenever I meet an elderly gay couple, I just feel bad for them. They could have had loving wives and children and grandchildren. Now they have nothing but each others old, wrinkly, gross asses to fuck. Romantic relationships aren't meant to be built on just sex.

>>5657840
Romantic gay relationships are not built on just sex. I doubt most of them are having sex at that age.

>>5657838
He's one of the most active Trump campaigners and constantly calls him his daddy

>>5657828

Fine, then just read it as "discreet" instead of "closeted/discreet". Nothing else in my post would change.

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>>5657840
>he thinks only cis het couples can have romantic relationships

>>5657844
OP is a special case. It's not hard to imagine why a guy with such intense homosexuality that he can't build male friendships without finding them corrupted by a burning need to get stuffed would think sex is all there is to homosexuality.

>>5657846
I consider Trump kosher controlled opposition. He only wants the presidency to abuse his position and make more money for his companies

>>5657844

Then how is a gay "relationship" between two elderly men any different than two platonic roommates?

>>5657864
It is literally the same as the relationship of a straight elderly couple. How is this so difficult to understand?

>>5657866

It's not though. A straight elderly couple would be forever bound by blood through the children that they produced. It's impossible for 2 men or 2 women to produce children. Hence I find the whole idea of a gay "relationship" to be nonsensical.

And no, I don't believe that elderly or infertile women should marry, since I know that someone is going to bring that up right after I post this.

>>5657872
You just went full retard. I am a /pol/ack too but you went too far

>>5657876
How?

>>5657879
> I don't believe that infertile women should marry

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>>5657872
So you basically think marriage is merely a tool to reproduce and at same time think it's romantic and only heterosexual couples should be able to have a romantic relationship. Man, you are so lonely, the scent is creeping up here.

>>5657054
If you are soooo perfect why not come out as bisexual
Then, find a woman that will let you have a threesome with her or let you bang guys as she watches
Next, you could go to therapy and learn to accept yourself
Finally, stop being such a cry baby and accept the dick, there is nothing wrong with it

I am a MTF. So I know the craving of wanting to pass down genes and getting pregnant. Just find a surrogate or something Mr. Perfect

Now, here is the real question
if you are soooo perfect than why do you suck at making choices

>>5657907
Because he's craving for dick and that's making his ability to use logic a bit foggy. Like if he sat on some dicks for a couple of hours he would be doing rocket science by now, but nah, it's better being a closet homo.

>>5657907
>threesome
This is degenerate

>>5657840
>romantic relationships aren't meant to be built on just sex

Meanwhile >>5657872
> It's impossible for 2 men or 2 women to produce children. Hence I find the whole idea of a gay "relationship" to be nonsensical.

>>5657889

Well yeah, I don't see the point in marrying somebody who is unable to bear you children.

>>5657904

It is just a tool to reproduce.

>at the same time think it's romantic
I guess it depends on your definition of "romantic" I admit "romantic relationships" probably wasn't the best choice of words to use in that earlier post, but I couldn't think of a better adjective to use without half of you not understanding what the fuck I meant.

I definitely believe that the whole idea of a marriage being centered around "love" is a bullshit 20th century ideal. Yes, it is important to for a husband and wife to love and care for each other, but it is also important for friends to love and care for each other. The only difference between a wife and a really close friend is that the wife bares you children.

>am smart, rich and charismatic
>the white race needs me
>everyone who doesnt conform to my views is cancer

You have no friends and you're blaming your raging thirst, while its actually you being a repulsive, egotistical twat thats keeping people away

Case closed, like your closet

>>5657929
>Well yeah, I don't see the point in marrying somebody who is unable to bear you children.

IDK, love perhaps?

>>5657929
This is what /pol/ muh white race cancer does to people. And this comes from a /pol/ack

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>>5657929
Holy shit can you PLEASE stop contradicting yourself so much just to "win" the argument. You are really pathetic, I am starting to feel bad for you.

>>5657920

You completely failed to understand my post. The only necessary component of a marriage is the production and raising of children. A good sex life and getting along with each other help a great deal, but are not absolutely 100% essential in my opinion. Yes, children are created through sex, but the marriage isn't built on the sex. It's built on raising the children produced by the sex.

>>5657907
I don't really suck at making choices. I'd say I've made quite good choices throughout my life overall. I already have my mind made up. I really just posted this thread to share my inner thoughts with some people, and MAYBE get some actual advice on how I can desire men less (although I really doubt that is going to happen at this point)

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iktfb. so fucking much.

when i'm sad i start googling ways to become straight, and sit there for hours. it's either very religious 'therapy' that comes up, or a lot of gay interest organisations or lib newssites telling you to 'accept who you are / love yourself / one of us one of us'. (it's also equal parts ridicule, calling people like me faggot and stuff just to provoke or shame or i don't know why.) and it just makes me angrier because it feels like i'm trapped as something i refuse to be. it just feels fucking wrong. i hate how the people that tell you to accept it considers me as someone like them. i don't want to be. they don't own me for fucks sake and i don't want anything to do with it.
the few science papers i've seen says that at least for now it's impossible to change. i could take that, if it wasn't followed by 'meet other gayz huhuhur / affirmative therapy / gay is ok'. start to distrust the whole paper. even if it's probably not as biased as i'd want it to.
when i've googled around for hours i either go to sleep or start googling painless secure suicide methods. i don't think i could ever go through with it but it's a bit calming to fantasize about for some reason? dunno why.

think about these things a lot when i'm awake and not occupied with something else to do. i honestly think it's not healthy because it's becoming worse every year and it feels like i'm going insane maybe. everything just feels so wrong. i wasn't supposed to be like this.. i just know i wasn't.
then there's the guilt of coming to places like /lgbt/ for example. even if it's just a futile looking for a way out i hate myself for 'slipping up'. when i cave in and watch gay porn it's even worse. it's so disgusting. worst is when i feel lonely. what i start thinking of then. that everyone can have someone to call theirs, except for me. and i don't think of girls then but i wish so fucking bad that i would.

this probably won't help you. at least you know it's not just you.

>>5657301
>I haven't deluded myself into believing my attraction to men will ever fully go away. My main goal is to make my attraction to women way stronger, and my attraction to men weaker.

Attraction doesn't work that way, it's not something you can direct according to your wits.

To end attraction, you have to identify what exactly attracts you to a certain person.

Then you have to work on you to find/ develop said aspect in yourself. Once you find it, the fascination and novelty will cease.

>>5657934
I have lots of friends. I don't really have any reason to lie about my life on an anonymous image board. Obviously, I deliver my opinions a lot more tactfully depending on who I am talking to. Fuck, 99% of the time none of the shit in this thread ever comes up irl. Why would my opinions on marriage have any effect on how well I get along with someone?

>>5657936

Why do you need a big ceremony and a piece of paper to prove that you love someone? Again, it's just one of many examples of gays trying to copy straight relationships.

>>5657938
I came to this conclusion before ever visiting /pol/ And honestly, I rarely ever go on /pol/ When I do visit 4chan, I'm usually browsing the fat hate threads on /fit/

And now I've just fed into the everyone on /fit/ is secretly gay meme lol

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>>5657968

marriage a requeriment for many bureaucratic things as well.

>>5657939
How have I contradicted myself? I admitted that "romantic" wasn't the right adjective to use earlier. It wasn't a contradiction, I misspoke.

Other than that, how have I "contradicted" myself?

>>5657957

So if I find those aspects that I find attractive about men and adopt them, my attraction to men will go away?

>>5657953

Hang in there bro. I still haven't given up hope. Although I am still fairly young. You could be way older than me for all I know and dealing with this for far longer.

Like I said earlier, I'll probably off myself in 15 years if I haven't figured out a way to fix this shit. Hopefully it won't come to that.

>>5657979

That's not the reason that marriage exists though. Marriage wasn't created so people could get tax breaks. Tax breaks and other benefits are obviously recent creations.

>>5657990

I don't know if you can go that far, I was just pointing out how attraction works.

I had crushes on muscular kind of guys, until I hit the gym myself.

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>>5657180
Did you know that in many cultures that have existed popular gay purely sexual relations between straight men (ie most of the male pop) was common? It just was a normal thing for them perhaps you could do the same thing but in reverse. TBO our western ideas of gender are not the end all truth, different cultures un affected by abriamic (fuck spelling that word) religion often have different ideas, thailand is an example of that so dont think that anything is set in stone. So look i dont know but maybe just enjoy sex for what it is purely as a physical act of stimulation (with a woman) But seriously what ever happens please dont let it get you down. there really isnt anything wrong with being gay it isnt degenerate so please dont beat your self up about it.

>>5657054
>a really good understanding of the world for my age

Not by the sound of your post.

You can abstain from being gay, you might even be able to date, fuck and marry a girl but that wont make you straight.

Either grow up and accept that being gay doesn't need to define who you are, what you aspire to, and how you act, or end up as a suicide statistic.

>>5658002
Yes. It was created to provide a legal institution through which inheritance could be managed, simultaneously making it a valuable tool of the state and an effective weapon and shield in politicking.

>>5658002

I'm quoting Wikipedia here:
"Marriage, also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws.", there is nothing more else about that to say

I think you are afraid of something, that is causing strong denial. You are aways coming up with something to try to prove that you're right, specially blaming others and not looking yourself in the mirror.
You are cynical and prepotent. I am out.

>>5658012

Yes, but again, marriage existed long before it was a legal institution.

Marriage at it's core is literally just a man and woman who are publicly recognized as a couple and have produced children together. Religion and governments just added formalities to what humans naturally do.

>>5658042
Our first written records of marriage beyond myth are as a legal institution.

>>5658005
That's interesting. I may read up more on those cultures.

>perhaps you could do the same thing but in reverse

That is actually what I will probably end up doing actually. I really have no problem enjoying sexual acts with a man or a woman. Beauty ideals aside, the average man and woman really aren't all that different aesthetically besides genitalia. I mean they are the same species.

It's just that about 90% of the time, I automatically fantasize about men when I'm horny, despite being capable of being turned on by both. I basically am trying to change my brain so that fantasizing about women is the automatic response. I really think my obsession with men is just a bad habit, and I've just been really lazy about trying to fix it. And after years and years of jacking off mostly to men, I have a huge mental trench that I need to dig myself out of.

>>5658042

What sort of fairytale do you live in?

Marriage for most of human history has been used as a political tool, even if you were citing evidence (which you're not) that supported your "its about love and dreams" delusion that's still NOT the reality we have today.

Marriage is, at it's core, about legally binding two people together for reasons that have always fluctuated and always will.

>and have produced children together

How can you type shit like that and not realise how deluded your view on marriage is?

>>5658053

So men and women never had monogamous relationships before legal institutions? I guess it really depends on if you believe that humans are naturally monogamous. I definitely do. I think that humans naturally seek out a mate, and pair bond, and stay together to raise their offspring. I don't believe that monogamy is a purely cultural phenomenon.

>>5658076

I specifically said it's NOT about "love and dreams"

Good God. Are homosexuals so busy sucking dick that they never mastered reading comprehension?

>>5658082

Many animals pair for life, it's not called marriage it's called monogamy.

>>5658082
"Marriage" and "monogamous relationship" are not synonyms. Wherever did you concoct this delusion?

>>5658093

What sort of retard do you have to be to write 3 posts about gay conversion therapy and hating yourself, then allow your own thread to derail into a marriage debate?

No wonder you hate yourself so much; you've not mastered the art of creating new threads.

>>5658096

You're agreeing with me and too retarded to realize it. You're literally just playing a semantics game at this point.

We don't call baby dogs "children" Does that mean that a puppy isn't the young offspring of a male and female?

>>5658061
Well i know that the Romans did it and some in middle east (maybe india?) did it. Any way I wish you the best of luck

>>5658124
No, the problem is that you are neither as smart, nor as charismatic as you think you are. Which is fine. You don't actually have to be. But you probably shouldn't expect that people assume you're talking about one thing when you use a word that means something else.

Moreover, marriages are not intrinsically monogamous - that's only one of many structures they can take. It's a legal institution that can be defined in many ways depending on the state. It is not the human-specific term for "mated male-female pair".

>>5657953

To cope with a crippling depression I started practicing Zen meditation (zazen) three years ago.
Not only has my mood improved, I started, last year, noticing girls much more. I find my attention drawn towards women, checking their boobs and asses. It really wasn't my intention when I started, but I think there could be something.
Btw. I'm not having sex and have barely fapped in the last six months.

>>5657793
>I only like gays if they are straight
Here's your (you) faggot

>>5658124
I wouldn't worry about stopping your gayness. The first thing you need to do is find women sexually attractive.


You don't need to be hetero, just bi and find a female partner.

You say you're basically a horndog and want to fuck every guy you know. I think you're just young and horny. Just stop thinking about sucking their dick. You probably need to get to know them better so they're not just eye candy.

I need to also say some bullshit about accepting yourself. But honestly, the biggest issue is you just need to take it slow and not beat yourself over it too much when your guy friends bend over and you want to grab their ass.

>>5657054
yeah, dude, well i went through the same shit. finially accepted my sexuality. you have to deal with the cards delt to you. not every faggot is a douche, flammer, or sterotype. just get off the internet for awhile, get laid, fuck yourself with a dildo, or shit fuck a woman.

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>>5657054
Mate, if you think about it, it's just a stinky axe wound that won't fully clot. The alternative is a stick of spongy tissue filled with blood, which can also be quite stinky if not frequently cleaned. Just go ace, nigga.

t. straight male on board safari

Do what straight guys do, watch some exciting taboo stuff including the gender you're not attracted to until you become attracted to them, and then revel in the joy of acquiring new tastes whilst completely dismissing your old ones. Before you know it you'll be having sick wild sex with women and having an existential crisis the second you have an orgasm.

>>5657054
>>5657057
>>5657061

Homosexuality is linked to brain structures, buddy. There's plenty of scientific reasons that, while there isn't a "gay gene", you are born with the homos.

You're shit out of luck I'm afraid. I hear your points but honestly, you can still be gay and happy despite what you might think.

Gays wanting to echo straight relationships is an interesting point though.

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>>5657054
>>5657057
>>5657061
It seems like you are a supreme gentleman just waiting to happen. There are so many wrong things on your posts that I won't even bother, but I can list few.
>literally internalized homophobia
>misconceptions
>hard projecting
>plain stupidity
I'd actually try to help you, but I know your type, you'll shrug every evidence off and keep deluding yourself.

>>5657180

4chan isn't your hugbox, faggot.

Accept the truth for what it is and move on with your life.

>>5657180
>"you didn't said what I wanted so it's not true, not insightful and I'll keep denying it even with no proof of that"

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>>5657218
>gay men are more successful, earn more, have higher degrees and are more fit than lesbians, straight males, straight females
>"king of retards"
As it is, it seems like you are already retarded, so you might as well try to be a king.

>>5658389

None of your greentext is really true. I'm a very open, reasonable person. 90% of the posters in this thread have either just typed insults or some variation of "accept the dick" so I have responded in kind.

The few posts that were actually thoughtful/made some type of scientific argument, I have been nothing but appreciative of.

I would like to say that I would love your help, but the fact that 2/3 of your post is personal attacks makes me believe that you have little actual advice to offer.

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>>5657054
>all this self hate

I know the perfect solution for you.

>>5658423
>gay men are more successful, earn more, have higher degrees

Everyone knows gays don't have jobs, other than partying and working at the drag bar

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have you ever thought about fucking girls repeatedly until you enjoy it? Go on Tinder and hook up with girls, or hire prostitutes. Just fuck girls and try to enjoy it.


...though having said that, I'm going to agree with everyone else here and say it doesn't work. I had a girlfriend for a while and it was like fucking a sack of potatoes with a flesh-light attached to it.

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>>5658426
Let's see
>afraid of acting on gay urges
Internalized homophobia: Check
>95% of homosexual men are massive faggots
Misconceptions: Check
>"Just look at how hard same sex couple are trying to model after straight relationships. That is ultimately what most homos want."
Hard projecting: Check
>Rewire the brain
Plain stupidity: Check

There you go all I pointed out was true, and btw the "accept the dick" advices are just tl;dring what it would be a long explanation about why you can't change your sexuality.

>>5658423

Those studies only look at "gay households" which are a small minority of the overall gay population (And I would argue not very representative either. It's usually men who have their shit together who get "gay married")

Try again.

>>5658446
See, any studies that DO exist about the subject you just shrug it off. You're in denial buddy.

>>5658443

Fine, I'm "homophobic". I don't give a shit.

Nothing else you wrote is true. 95% of gay men are disgusting faggots. I think this thread alone easily proves that.

Pointing out that homosexual couples model off of straight relationships isn't "projecting" I'm just stating yet another fact.

>Plain stupidity: Check

It's not stupid to be skeptical and question what is possible. That is literally the whole reason I made this thread in the first place. To discuss possibilities.

You're really just proving my point that homosexuals in general are retarded and are illogical.

>>5658446
Oh yes the studies about gay men earning more, having more degrees, being more physically fit AND their super-representation in genius groups DON'T look at "gay households" but I guess that doesn't fit your narrative so you'll just ignore it.

Or of course, your could always be a baiter, I doubt anyone could be this stupid.

>>5658456

I didn't "shrug it off." I gave good arguments as to why your argument is irrelevant, which YOU just "shrugged off" Who's projecting now?

>>5658463
Homophobic is a retarded SJW term in most cases but it fits very much to describe you.

>>5658446
Seriously, try and have bisex. People who are married have been having bisex for years. People had stepbrothers and stepsisters that might not have actually been a bad thing. Humans aren't able to properly raise anything alone, in fact that is why homos exist. You are homo, this means you can make a good confidant for the lord who does have babby.

It means that if the lord dies, then you'll help care for babby. This is why there are gay seals, and gay penguins. Or you can totally find a couple a man and woman who you can have natural human experience with. The prostate stimulates the trust hormone in some folks. Sex creates bonds that would have historically resulted in murder. The Norse Gods are pretty gay whiteboy. They have homosex, because it happens even if you hate it. What they require of you, is that you be a good enough person, and associate with good people. Otherwise you'll be called ergi and be outlawed.

>>5658476

You're arguing against a side that has years of research supporting its claims as well as most psychologists, therapists, and gay people themselves.

We don't need to give you a good argument on a gay Chinese picture board. Millions of dollars and countless testimonies have done it for us, you delusional prick.

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You have to go through the small porn steps

1) Start off with gay porn
2) move on to twink porn
3) move on to crossdressing twinks
4) check out some early in their transition shemale porn
5) edge into small tits/tomboy anal porn
6) continue down the ladder

that's all I got

tbqh I'm straight outside of taking dick in private tbqhhhhhhhhhhhh

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>I'm smart, charismatic
You didn't give me such impression in this thread. You just remind me of any other arrogant, angsty reactionary, who claims to "off himself" if he doesn't meet impossible standards he imagined under post-wank guilt from trap porn. Sorry for being rude, but damn, this thread could be much shorter if you would actually listen to and respect what others say. You call everyone "retarded" for not citing redundant truths you could spend 10 minutes researching yourself, but yet stick to this nonsensical "90% of gays are flamboyant and obnoxious! couple of gay i've seen in the mall are an undeniable proof of that!" claim. You don't stand behind any scientific research or reason, you just don't want to change your beliefs, that's all. Good luck with inevitable acceptance, desu.

>>5658506
This is more degenerate than being a faggot

>>5658463
Claim
>95% of gay men are disgusting faggots
Where do you got the number from? How do you measure "disgusting", who do you consider a "faggot", how do you think into account all of those who are under the radar? Have you got a control group so you don't include bisexuals on lower areas of the kinsey scale?

Claim
>ing out that homosexual couples model off of straight relationships
Do you know how many couples actually model off straight couples? How did you got the number? Do you know how many don't? How did you got the number? Do you know if your first assortment is true, if the reason why they do it is because they want to be like straight or if because the monogamic format has many advantages?

Brain structures don't change after formation, unless you want to physically interfere on the brain, good luck with that.

>Born this way
Recent studies show that genes DO influence someone's sexuality, even more important epigenetics can have a huge influence, so there is a lot of room for people to be "born this way". So far the most accepted thesis is nature and nurture but not in a controllable way.

I'm not going to spoonfeed you anymore, if after this you don't understand WHY you're wrong you're either a master baiter or plainly retarded.

>>5658513
are you trying to continue the whole pompous arrogant reactionary skit? Cause you're doing a great job lmao

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>>5658494
And you can be called erghi even without being gay. It means "angry" it refers to the tempermant that you express. This "woe is me, I like dick but I'm gonna force some woman to deal with my unsatisfactory sexuality." This is what started the myths of homosex being a curse. Your actions are unmanly, and unbecoming of a father. Depriving yourself of yourself is depriving the future of the option. It's depriving your unfortunate wife of a strong man, and depriving your kids of a good father who isn't posting on craigslist in secret giving his shrew of a wife hiv.

What kind of willpower do you actually have?
Why bother telling legbutts at all if you have doubts? "Ergi"

>>5658514
Well you gotta start somewhere to get somewhere

>>5658502
This isn't a Chinese imageboard. You're literally making shit up now.

>>5658516
Your entire post is subjective probably why you were ignored.

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>>5658524
Wait guys I'm legit starting to think we have a mentally disabled person here.

>>5658532
>starting to think
You may also be retarded, h8 to break it to you.

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>>5658531

>>5658538
that anon is correct though, why the fuck do you mention "studies" without linking to any, jesus fucking christ linking isn't difficult

>>5658516

Cool. You did a 2 minute Google Search and regurgitated the popular, mainstream opinion for me. You're so smart. I'm so glad I have all these homosexuals of "above average intelligence" who understand how to use a search engine.

>>5658544
Because the original claims were made by him, I'm not going to spoonfeed another idiot that's shitting up the board.
>>5658560
>no actual counter arguments
k, I reccomend you a .44 aspirin.

>>5658570

You gave me no actual arguments to counter. And like anon said, you posted no links. It's quite obvious that you're just baiting me at this point.

>>5658580
And you never got anything to back up any of your points in the first place, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously? Not looking so "smart" and "charismatic" there friend.

Accept
The
Dick

>>5658570
It doesn't matter who the claims were made by. If you aren't going to provide sources your arguments, much like majority of others in this thread who cite shit but never link to any of it, are considered weak and shit.

You're not spoonfeeding anyone with weak logic, that's for absolutely sure, you're just poisoning them. Tip for any future arguments you get into, online or off - don't get into them without sources.

>>5657054
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I feel sorry for the future wife, she's marrying into a gay man who doesn't even love her and only wants marriage for money related reasons.

No doubt you'll cheat on her with her brother or something, you flaming faggot. Children need a stable environment and a closeted homo isn't that.

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>Waaaaah I wanna be straight
And I wanted to be Thomas the Tank Engine, but that shit never happened.

Just deal with it nigga.

>>5658625
>It doesn't matter who the claims were made by
>If you aren't going to provide sources your arguments
Here's your reply.

>>5658675
He can try being transtraight

>>5657054
>No real, righteous man would want to be my friend if he knew what a disgusting pervert I secretly am.

As a 100% strait male, I do not think this is the case. My best friend "slays the poosi" but i know he's a giant fag on the inside, he's even tried to start stuff on one occasion. But I love him. People will accept you for who you are.

Why not just openly admit to being gay? it's all the rage right now.

Also have you ever had relationships or sex with women? do you find them attractive?

>>5658710
>As a 100% strait male, I do not think this is the case.
What are you doing here then?

>>5658753
I saw the OP on the 4chan homepage at the bottom. Forgive me for my transgressions.

Also that was my first /lgbt/ post

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>>5658710
>People will accept you for who you are.

>No real, righteous man would want to be my friend if he knew what a disgusting pervert I secretly am.

What the fuck? I am openly gay, I am in a gay relationship and guess what? I have almost only straight male friends and I can garantee you they are 'righteous'.
>Gay Men Turning Straight Future Ex Gay
Whatever you do, NEVER I repeat: NEVER get a wife and have kids. You are gay, you will therefore not be happy or sexuall satisfied with a woman. Don't ruin your future wifes and your kids life by being so fucking selfish.

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Jesus Christ, look at all the insecure faggots in this thread. Are their egos really so fragile that they can't handle someone wanting to be different? This is fucking rich considering that this board tolerates trannies.

>>5658781
Seriously there is no problem with you being straight and on /lgbt/. You don't have to apologize for that.

>>5658782
Kek, yup you're right.

FRIENDS WILL THOUGH, and thats what you are worried about.

>>5658802
>>5658781
I'm not asking him to apologize I'm asking why is he here, what's his interest. I don't give a fuck about sports so I'm never on /sp/, why is a 100% straight person on /lgbt/?

>>5657054
>I want to be able to marry a girl
It's literally the same as marrying a guy but with more intergender confusion. Save yourself all the "I'm fine... No srsly, I'm fine!"
>and for us to be able to satisfy each other in every way.
Can also be done with a guy.
>I want to have a family.
Can also be done with a guy.
>I want to have half a dozen children
Too many. Stick with 3 max if you want below to actually occur.
>and raise them to do so much good for the world.
Can also be done with a guy (and more likely, since children of gays tend to be more open minded, ergo, better critical thinkers).
>I want to pass on my genes.
Wait a couple of years. After that, can also be done with a guy.
>95% of homosexual men are massive faggots
Date within the 5%. Yes, that gives you 0.25% of all males at your disposal, but that's still an infinitely larger dating pool that is available to everyone on /r9k/ combined.

You can never go hetero (scientifically impossible, since it's largely influenced by prenatal hormones), and why would you want to anyway. As a homosexual, you will get to understand your partners better, pleasure each other better (as you understand each others' genitals), and be cynical of 95% of your own minority group. You'll never have accident babies and contribute to our population problem.

Also, you get to stop using condoms in an LTR with no pregnancy risk and very few disease ones (if it's master-race exclusive relationship, not ass-tier open "relationship"). Heteros can't do that without either taking pills, getting vasectomies, or crapping out malformed mini-people who will ultimately leech off of society.

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>>5658810
>FRIENDS WILL THOUGH
let me laugh even harder

>>5658664

That's not true and makes no sense. Marriage is a huge financial risk for men. Money is a good argument to NOT get married.

>>5658928
just save her the trouble and buy some rope you abomination
Gays cannot be trusted.

>>5658710

Yes, I've had two past relationships. They were alright.

Yes, I find women attractive, but not nearly as much as I find men attractive. That's what I'm trying to fix. I want to keep my homosexual desires from being so overwhelming that they prevent me from having a healthy relationship with a female.

>People will accept you for who you are

top kek

>>5658928
>Money is a good argument to NOT get married.
>not marrying a rich old widow then poison her just to inherit all money

>>5658784

I'm going to have at least 5 children. And I'm going to put a ring on the hottest bitch I can find.

>>5658961
>hottest bitch
Aren't you supposed to be a massive faggot?

>>5658796

Yeah. It's pretty pathetic, but it's pretty much what I expected. I got a few good replies though, so the thread has already been worth it.

>>5658796
>they can't handle someone wanting to be different?
And here I thought OP wanted to be normal.

>>5658817

I understand women well. They are mostly whores who want a guy to take care of them financially and dominate them in bed. A few of them are more sweet and motherly, and you need to be softer with them though. I'll probably go with the latter when picking a wife.

I feel like my life would be a waste if I didn't father at least 5 children (hopefully more). I'd be one of the best dads around, and with so many children, my top tier genes will be much less likely to die out. Plus whites are a huge minority. You can never have too many white babies.

>>5659018
>top tier genes
TOP FUCKING KEK AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>5659018
>top tier genes
>is gay
So much for that one

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>>5659018
>gay men are sluuuuuts
>women are whooooooores
>everyone but me is shiiiiiit
>supreme gentleman
Top tier kek.

>>5659025

White, family history of longevity, 6 foot master race, no serious medical problems on either side of the family going back 4 generations, most family members are above average intelligence and make bank, no genetic diseases/defects. And this is subjective, but I also think that I have beautiful eyes and hair. If anybody fucks up the genetic lottery that my children will win, it's my future wife.

>>5659018

>95% of homosexual men are massive faggots
>>5659018
>I understand women well. They are mostly whores who want a guy to take care of them financially and dominate them in bed.


You have serious issues. "everybody else is the problem, except me".

>>5658810
>>5658824
I think its a matter of the difference between real and fake friends. Sometimes they'd rather have a fake friend than someone who will stay by their side no matter what... People who stay by need a good reason to stay by. You'd better be a damn good friend to keep someone like that around.

>>5659032

There isn't a gay gene. Even the people in this thread who hate me have said it mostly depends on womb environment when you are in utero.

>>5659054


Have you ever considered becoming a sperm donor?

Get to pass your supreme gentleman genetics, while keeping a gay lifestyle.

>>5659052

Yeah, humans like sex. This isn't exactly a surprising fact.

>>5659069
Then find a master race surrogate.

>>5659066
>There isn't a gay gene.
Cmpletely irrelevant.
If your genes were that superior they would have prevented you from becoming gay.

Alas, they didn't.

>>>/pol/

I don't think I've ever seen a more /pol/ thread on here. It's a fucking riot.

>>5659054
>6 foot
MANLET

>>5659067

And have some angry lesbian come after me for child support?

top kek

>>5657054
The answer to your question is here.

>>5658910

>>5659079

Don't know if there is a gay cure.

But standard therapy could help you with all those other issues.

I mean I am sympathetic to a point but you gotta accept being gay is a natural thing, and that therapy that serves to remove it is incredibly damaging.

>>5657054
Several things you can do
>Find a woman you love on a mental level and settle down with kids.
>Get conversion therapy which in 100% of the cases does more damage than good
>Get therapy for being a little bitch that can't deal with the cards he's been dealt with.
>Kill yourself

I'd suggest the last option since that would be the least damaging to the rest of your environment.

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>op makes thread
>asks if it's possible to change from gay to straight
>met with a resounding "no"
>kicks off that it's not what he wants to hear

Sometimes, the most widely accepted ideas are correct. Like gravity. Or the Earth being round.

>>5659077
We've had actual /pol/lacks in the thread telling him to accept himself.

>>5657054

Dude, you are never, ever, ever, EVER going to become straight. It is a delusion. It does not happen.

Right now you're nothing but cancer to anyone who comes near you, be it woman, man, cis, trans, gay, straight, whatever.

SO:

Here is my advice to you: give yourself a few years of partying and slutting around 'til you're comfortable with the most "degenerate", as you call them, aspects of the community. You're nowhere near ready to be in a relationship, don't even try it.

Once you get it out of your system, maybe when you're 30 or so, you should be able to settle down with a nice guy and be happy.

>>5659247
Ironic considering how /pol/ is all for torture if it meant turning gay people straight.

FFS OP just marry a woman and fill her with your sperm until she pops some babies while you fuck dudes on the side.

I even know of some married straight guys who liked to get fucked by a tranny from time to time.

Then it's Sunday and you're having a family lunch with your multiple kids and everyone is happy not talking about the elephant in the room.

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>>5657180
>Because you expected to hear what you wanted to hear
>No. I wanted to hear something insightful
O-kay...

>>5658411
>faggot.
>someone needs a last straw
>throws a haybale
I lol'd.

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>>5659231
OP is like the "white" B.o.B of faggotry

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>>5657054
just kill yourself anon until you are reborn as a sraight man

>>5659384

We know goys can't change who they are.

>>5657180
Start fapping to mpreg art. Eventually the thought of impregnating a womb will be your primary source of arousal. I've gotten to the point where I prefer the thought of pussy to ass. I don't really care to be straight so I havent gone that hard in that direction but im sure you can eventually get to the point where a gross fully feminine body appeals to you. Good luck anon.

>>5657140
>good advice
>4chan
pick one

>>5658796
It's like gold star lesbians, but this time instead of purity, it's desire.

>>5659135
>I mean I am sympathetic to a point but you gotta accept being a pedophile is a natural thing, and that therapy that serves to remove it is incredibly damaging.

>>5664668
>I mean I am sympathetic to a point but you gotta accept being a nigger is a natural thing, and that therapy that serves to remove it is incredibly damaging.

>>5657054
I feel truly sorry for you, OP. All of that 'good understanding of the world' you possess and you still can't accept the things you can't change. Yes, a lot of gay men are insufferable but not all, and it doesn't mean you have to be one of them. It would do a lot more for your self esteem to find social groups that validate you rather than make you yearn for a life you can never live.

Also, no, there is no way for someone to scientifically change their sexuality, it's not a liberal conspiracy, it's genuinely something that science (nor faith for that matter) can achieve. A lot of ex-gay therapy is just cognitive behavioural therapy like negative associations and such which simply do not work. Try cutting yourself after every gay thought you get and see how long it takes you to be straight. That's seriously the level of treatment you're working with. There are a lot of affluent gay men with money to spend on cutting edge treatments, and I'm sure some have considered attempting to cure the gay thing but I've yet to hear about ANYONE successfully doing so. There are religious ex-gays that preach, but I saw a documentary in which a gay doctor offered to hook up anyone who'd undergone the ex-gay therapy to a machine that would measure how aroused they were while watching homosexual pornography. EVERY single one of them declined to take the test.

>>5657293

but you are looking for information on the internet
if someone found the graal you are looking for he would have probably have posted it somewhere anonymously
this has nothing to do with being out or closeted

>>5659018

how can you understand women so well while having no relashionship with them

why do you want to be with a girl while being so misogynistic

>>5659054

> I'm better than anyone else

sure you are senpai

>>5659079

You prefer getting a wife you despise instead of being a sperm donor?

good luck wasting your life

Here you go OP
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gay-conversion-i-slept-over-200-men-now-im-happily-married-heterosexual-dad-1443188

You can change. You fags believe anything written without any proof. Diff you conduct the study, what was used as a control group, how was it administered and how was the conclusion derived? YES YOU CAN CHANGE! these fag's want to lead you their way by gay pressure. Reality is, exposure, finding out is it the male figure, personality, role or what truly attracts you to guys. If the point of attraction can be applied to both sexes, start adjusting your habits. You're used to thinking your gay and looking at guys. You train yourself. Your urges don't control you. Adjust your habits until they are newly formed.

>>5657054
Holy shit scanned the first couple of posts in this thread
and it all seems like terrible advice.
Dude I'm sorry I'm going through the same thing. It's hard (No pun intended). Especially when friends are involved because everybody already knows you as a certain way. The only thing I've been able to come up with is to just move far away and completely start over, but in my circumstances this would be relatively impossible because of my economic situation. I am extremely poor and I know it sounds kind of crazy but the people around me might be keeping me down on purpose. I live in a very small town in the south with no vehicle and theres only maybe 10 different places I can work all of which I've applied at. I already left and went to New York last summer that worked for a little while I had a job at Burger King in Brooklyn and stayed at a homeless shelter everything was going good until I got robbed at knife point a couple times so I left and came back.
Sorry for getting so personal I'm trying to think of advice but all I can do is think of my own situation.
A lot of people are suggesting to find another gay person with the same values as you but, if your situation is anything similar to mine then this would be impossible. The whole point of a relationship is trust. You can't trust most people nowadays.

I'm glad you're gay op, id kill for your life.

>>5657054
If you do get a wife, op, I suggest being completely honest with her. If you are as smart and charismatic as you say, it shouldn't be difficult to find a woman to fall in love with you, and women can be pretty accepting of unconventional situations.