Today is the first time I've gone on this board in a long ass time. I've noticed that this board has become a lot less Tumblr infested than it was a couple years ago. I'm very happy to see that. Especially with this topic I'm about to post.
To be concise, I hate being a homosexual. It is ruining my life. I'm smart, charismatic, have tons of friends, money will most likely never be an issue for me, and I have a really good understanding of the world for my age (I'm in my mid twenties) I would honestly have the perfect life if it weren't for the fact that I am so hopelessly turned on by the male body.
My homosexual lust disgusts me. I want to be able to bond with other men without secretly being turned on by them. When a man extends his platonic friendship to me and I secretly have lustful thoughts about him, I become so disgusted with myself that I feel I don't deserve to live. No real, righteous man would want to be my friend if he knew what a disgusting pervert I secretly am.
I want to be able to date girls and be interested only in them. I want to be able to marry a girl, and for us to be able to satisfy each other in every way. I want to have a family. I want to have half a dozen children and raise them to do so much good for the world. I want to pass on my genes.
I want to change so badly. 95% of homosexual men are massive faggots who I would never want to associate with. I suspect that most of the (almost) normal ones are closeted like me. Which is ultimately a good thing, as I would be unhappy in a homosexual relationship regardless of how compatible the man is with me.
I'm also bitter at the fact that there are so few resources to help men who want to change, largely because of these massive faggots who shout that they were "born this way" and that this desire is "normal". I know it isn't. I know that most homosexuals aren't truly happy. Just look at how hard same sex couple are trying to model after straight relationships. That is ultimately what most homos want.
But because these faggots have managed to bully everyone into "accepting" that homosexuality is genetic and that reparative therapy is "damaging", I'm just supposed to accept my degenerate behavior as destiny and never attempt to improve myself.
Despite the mainstream saying that the idea of a faggot like me transforming into a mentally healthy adult male is impossible, I am determined to change. I know that it is going to be hard, as I will literally be re-wiring my brain. But life will not be worth living unless I manage to achieve this. I'm honestly going to off myself if I'm still homo in my 40s. Very few things are sadder to me than an elderly homosexual man.
So /lgbt/, where should I begin? Like I said, there are very few resources to help with this problem, and the few resources that I have found are almost exclusively Evangelical Christian websites that want me to cure myself through "faith" and "giving myself up to God" I'm agnostic, and have loads of problems with Christianity. I am searching for legitimate, scientifically backed, tangible methods for essentially "training" my brain into liking women.
The only thing I've been able to think of so far is watching a lot of straight porn. But porn isn't exactly the most mentally healthy thing either, so I don't really want to solve one degenerate habit with another one. I've also tried thinking about the origins of my homosexual attractions and have attempted to really get to the bottom of why I'm attracted to certain things and what events in my adolescence may have triggered them. This has helped a little, but it will definitely be a long road ahead.
So does anyone have any advice? Any gay men in the same boat? Any men who have managed to change their desires to at least some degree? Any psychologists who have non PC opinions that go against the mainstream voices in the field and media? I need some serious help. Just any advice that could help guide me to this life I truly want.
Mate it's just not gonna happen. You can delude yourself all you want but you're not just gonna magically stop liking dick
Maybe you should think about where your disgust for yourself stems from and why you hate yourself for being a homosexual so much instead
While it's silly to assert that we're "born this way" with no scientific proof, I can say for damn sure that your sexual taste just isn't a choice
You say that being a homosexual is ruining your life but it seems more like your hatred of homosexuals is ruining your life
It's a little difficult to find a man with a womb. Unless you mean I find a lesbian woman with a similar mindset as me and we cover for each other? I have thought about that before. But I have no idea where to even begin to look for someone like that.
Regardless though, having a beard doesn't solve the problem, it just masks it. I'm not going to live my life like that.
I used to hate myself for being a faggot because of the LGBT lobby. I thought that degeneracy and animalistic lust was everything faggotry was about and wanted to fix myself as well. It is true that 90% of faggots are lustful degenerates, but there are some truly godly, chaste and moral ones out there. Do not judge faggotry based on the LGBT degeneracy, it is merely the result of leftist politisization of faggotry. The fact that it is more visible does not mean no other alternatives exist. You can be a faggot and moral, just find a partner who is not lustful trash
Good luck anon. If youre going to do this then you'll likely become some weird pervert child rapist. I mean, lets look at the far right wingers.
I think, what you need to do, is enter a MMF relationship. Ideally, MMFF. Knowing how men are (and please, you do), you'll eventually end up cheating. Just find a woman who's willing to get in a poly. They exist. If you're as flashy as you say you are, this should be easier for you than for most.
I know that there are some good gay men out there, and I truly respect them, despite my "homophobic" posting.
I guess there is more to my story. I do have attraction to women, but it is incredibly weak compared to my attraction to men. I imagine that the sexuality of most straight men is the inverse of mine. (I think the Kinsey scale is legit. I just think most men who are 5%/10% gay have zero incentive to ever tell anyone about it.)
>having a beard doesn't solve the problem, it just masks it.
Not all homosexuals are effeminate, don't judge them based on what you see in the media. I have a beard and I am a massive faggot.
No. I wanted to hear something insightful. 50 posts telling me to just accept the dick is a waste of space. Literally everyone irl says just to accept the dick. It's nothing I haven't heard/read before.
This is one of the only corners of the internet where I could potentially find an alternative perspective that isn't just Evangelical bullshit.
I have zero sexual interest in children. I don't see how that what happen. I think your second scenario of me going for some dick on the down low is the much more likely reality. That is why I want to re-wire my brain. So temptation isn't as big of a deal.
I'm not in denial. I know that I'm gay. I am just extremely skeptical of the idea that it is impossible to change what you are attracted to. People learn to like new foods, new hobbies, new music. What is so impossible about acquiring a taste for women?
Man, when I realised I liked men, I was scared and didn't like it at all, but now, three years from then, I'm in a one-year lasting relationship, happy. I just accepted myself, because I was sure that I didn't want to be gay...
we aren't gonna tell you what you wanna hear
no one is, no one truthful anyway
you can't simply convert yourself. it'd just make things worse for you. anyone who knows anything about this will tell you as much, because it's the answer.
you can't change that, so change your bigoted-ass views. or maybe find a gay guy who thinks the same. then you can hate everything together.
honestly. try dating websites. there's probably one for gay Christians out there.
Because I feel like a heterosexual relationship and offspring would be more fulfilling than being with a man. Honestly, a boyfriend isn't any different from having a platonic male friend, besides trading blowjobs. The whole reason "relationships" and marriage even exist is so we have a way to keep track who children's fathers are.
And I also just hate that I am attracted to men in general. I value friendship with other men so much, and I feel like sexual feelings taint it.
Lol duuude hahaha I also don't like 90% gay people, and they "give my personality bad image", but to me it's important what my friends think, and every single one said that there's no way I was gay and that I'm nothing like other gays... Just accept yourself, or become a Christian and accept yourself :)
No, the sexual feelings complete it. Sex is a form of bonding. You see there is a difference between lust and romantic love. The difference between a platonic friendship and a homosexual one is mutual romantic feelings. It is also exclusive and lifelong, unlike most friendships. If you want children just find a surrogate
Not really. Even if you try dating girls you'd always in your mind have to remind yourself as such it would be a very rehearsed process. An average straight guy wouldn't have that issue
Wouldn't those connections in my brain just get stronger and stronger though? Until it becomes practically automatic and I don't have to "rehearse" anything?
The fact that I do have some attraction to females gives me hope. I've read that the more you masturbate/orgasm to something, the more solidified those connections become in your brain. So if I were to get off more to women, wouldn't that theoretically make those connections stronger?
It's annoying how everyone is just repeating that what I want to do is impossible, without giving any real explanation why.
If it was possible don't you think gays would be doing it en masse? It's something that alienates them from friends and family and invites emotional and physical abuse. But as a gay person you can choose how you live so by all means try, you wouldn't be the only one.
you might be a little bi, but even if you are the attraction to men isn't gonna go away.
but sexuality isn't something you can mould. it's not a skill to learn. that's not how it works.
conversion therapy tries things like these and it doesn't work. all it does is build up an association between women and you masturbating, not an actual attraction.
same the other way round. people have tried inducing vomiting when looking at attractive men to try and "cure" that. doesn't work either. the attraction remains, just mixed up with nausea. screws things up all the more.
it's a whole separate deal.
I feel like most people in general just don't have that kind of willpower. Fuck. I haven't had that strong of willpower up to this point. And I could very well fail in the future like everyone in this thread is saying.
I think none of the younger gays are doing it because they have been fed the "born this way" bullshit and don't believe it's even worth trying (That is clearly evident just by the responses in this thread)
I would suspect, however, that if there are any men who have successfully re-wired their brain in this manner, they were/are probably closeted like me. I don't think that many "out" guys hate themselves enough to ever consider doing what I want to do.
I feel like that the secretive aspect of it is why I'm skeptical of changing one's sexual preferences being impossible. I mean, if gay guy managed to be successful with changing his preferences, why would he announce his former homosexuality to everybody? He would have no incentive to do so.
>If it was possible don't you think gays would be doing it en masse? It's something that alienates them from friends and family and invites emotional and physical abuse. But as a gay person you can choose how you live so by all means try, you wouldn't be the only one.
I've seen some gays act all morally superior, when they act all debauchee. And get angry when a "homophobic" parent tell them if they can turn it down a little, because their children are here and don't want them to watch.
I haven't deluded myself into believing my attraction to men will ever fully go away. My main goal is to make my attraction to women way stronger, and my attraction to men weaker.
Deny your feelings once more
As a bisexual having come from straight
>inb4 you're a sexually deranged figment of your own imagination
The fact is that we!re attracted to people, OP. I hate to propogate stereotypes against Bis in general, but i have to make the concious choice to turn off my sexual inclinations entirely just to get through the day. Everyone catches my eye and making friends with anyone remotely attractive is just not an easy thing to do. Often it isnt possible at all
My best solution has been to take the ones that catch my attention the most and make a move. If they say no it makes our relationship clear cut and easy to manage. It informs both parties and evens the score. Sure, they're still hot, but i know that anything more than friends is off the table. If you're meant to be friends it will happen just as naturally as if you were meant to be lovers.
To "get to the bottom of it" you have to first understand that because your mom ate trash while you were in uttero, you are a raging homo. It is by "nature" that you are the way you are, even if it isn't Natural. God speed anon, may you have many fine, white babies.
You simply don't, you'll suppress your desire for dick but you won't stop enjoying it. There's also a big chance you keep wanting to fuck every single male because you are sexually deprived, and that happens with heterosexuals as well.
OP is the usual homophobic right-wing manly dude who secretly wants dick, nothing new here.
My mother did eat a shit ton of doughnuts and put on like 50 pounds when she was pregnant with me. Was it really her fault?
But yeah, despite the overwhelming negative response, I'm still going to get married and have as many children as possible, regardless of how successful my attempts at becoming straight end up being. Whites are already such a small minority. I literally wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't do my part. I have top-tier genes. My race needs them preserved.
>OP is the usual homophobic right-wing manly dude who secretly wants dick, nothing new here.
I never claimed to be special. I'm sure there are millions of men who fall under this description.
It's just that when you have a strong gaydar or are gay/bi/wtv yourself, you detect too many of these, and they always have the same speech and are a nuisance. Just fuck off and go live your lie if you hate being gay so much, but don't bother people who are trying to live a decent live without lying to themselves.
Gay guys arent trying to emulate what straight couples have. They are living the same monogamous, loving, caring partnerships that straight people have also been doing as well. It has nothing to do with the "straight" aspect
That being said, the fact that you don't think homosexuals are capable of that is extremely insulting. You may not be able to see yourself in such a relationship with another man but many of us do achieve that. And they have kids, and get married, and care for each other, and support each other, and grow old together, and truly love each other as romantic as anyone.
And just because you think you hate 90% of gay guys just says you haven't met many. Were an incredibly diverse bunch. I once told a friend of mine the best thing I can do gain acceptance for gay people is to just keep living my life and keep meeting new people. I can't tell you how many people's minds I have enlightened by doing just that. And you have certainly met people like me, you just didn't necessarily know they were gay.
Fuck women if you want, whatever. Its your life, not mine and what you do in bed is no business of mine. But this attitude you have about gay men and gay relationships is nothing but insulting and straight up close-minded.
Interestingly enough, the more homosexuals I've met, the more I've grown to hate them. Meeting you wouldn't change my mind. It would probably solidify my objections to the gay lifestyle even further to be honest. My dislike of most homosexuals stems a lot further than just hating obvious and obnoxious flamers (that is just one of many aspects that contribute to what I find to be a huge cancer)
Like I mentioned earlier, I have zero problem with the small percentage of gay men who aren't unbearable faggots. But it is most definitely a small percentage, and virtually all of them are closeted or extremely discreet about it.
You mean silent majority. Most of us are normal people, we do not go to gay bars and pride parades or advocate for LGBT culture bullshit. You wouldn't even know if you saw a regular gay person
Wrong, your hate of homosexuals probably stems from your upbringing, probably religious values and just you being a plain bad person who can't simply accept people can be ridiculous and happy and you can choose if it disturbs you.
I never said I liked all closeted/discreet guys. I just said that almost all guys who are alright are in the closet/discreet. There is plenty of closet cancer to go around. Fuck, a good percentage of straight men are fucking cancer as well as far as I'm concerned.
I was referring to discreet gays, not closeted fags. Most closeted fags are subhuman degenerates who are too selfish to abandon the prestige and advantages of straight life and end up having orgies behind their wife's back
I actually had a very liberal upbringing. I could tell my whole family that I am gay and they would be very accepting. I was actually a pro-gay marriage liberal as a teenager, believe it or not. Then I slowly became more and more exposed to the real world and grew up.
Like whenever I meet an elderly gay couple, I just feel bad for them. They could have had loving wives and children and grandchildren. Now they have nothing but each others old, wrinkly, gross asses to fuck. Romantic relationships aren't meant to be built on just sex.
>he thinks only cis het couples can have romantic relationships
OP is a special case. It's not hard to imagine why a guy with such intense homosexuality that he can't build male friendships without finding them corrupted by a burning need to get stuffed would think sex is all there is to homosexuality.
It's not though. A straight elderly couple would be forever bound by blood through the children that they produced. It's impossible for 2 men or 2 women to produce children. Hence I find the whole idea of a gay "relationship" to be nonsensical.
And no, I don't believe that elderly or infertile women should marry, since I know that someone is going to bring that up right after I post this.
So you basically think marriage is merely a tool to reproduce and at same time think it's romantic and only heterosexual couples should be able to have a romantic relationship. Man, you are so lonely, the scent is creeping up here.
If you are soooo perfect why not come out as bisexual
Then, find a woman that will let you have a threesome with her or let you bang guys as she watches
Next, you could go to therapy and learn to accept yourself
Finally, stop being such a cry baby and accept the dick, there is nothing wrong with it
I am a MTF. So I know the craving of wanting to pass down genes and getting pregnant. Just find a surrogate or something Mr. Perfect
Now, here is the real question
if you are soooo perfect than why do you suck at making choices
Because he's craving for dick and that's making his ability to use logic a bit foggy. Like if he sat on some dicks for a couple of hours he would be doing rocket science by now, but nah, it's better being a closet homo.
Well yeah, I don't see the point in marrying somebody who is unable to bear you children.
It is just a tool to reproduce.
>at the same time think it's romantic
I guess it depends on your definition of "romantic" I admit "romantic relationships" probably wasn't the best choice of words to use in that earlier post, but I couldn't think of a better adjective to use without half of you not understanding what the fuck I meant.
I definitely believe that the whole idea of a marriage being centered around "love" is a bullshit 20th century ideal. Yes, it is important to for a husband and wife to love and care for each other, but it is also important for friends to love and care for each other. The only difference between a wife and a really close friend is that the wife bares you children.
>am smart, rich and charismatic
>the white race needs me
>everyone who doesnt conform to my views is cancer
You have no friends and you're blaming your raging thirst, while its actually you being a repulsive, egotistical twat thats keeping people away
Case closed, like your closet
Holy shit can you PLEASE stop contradicting yourself so much just to "win" the argument. You are really pathetic, I am starting to feel bad for you.
You completely failed to understand my post. The only necessary component of a marriage is the production and raising of children. A good sex life and getting along with each other help a great deal, but are not absolutely 100% essential in my opinion. Yes, children are created through sex, but the marriage isn't built on the sex. It's built on raising the children produced by the sex.
I don't really suck at making choices. I'd say I've made quite good choices throughout my life overall. I already have my mind made up. I really just posted this thread to share my inner thoughts with some people, and MAYBE get some actual advice on how I can desire men less (although I really doubt that is going to happen at this point)
iktfb. so fucking much.
when i'm sad i start googling ways to become straight, and sit there for hours. it's either very religious 'therapy' that comes up, or a lot of gay interest organisations or lib newssites telling you to 'accept who you are / love yourself / one of us one of us'. (it's also equal parts ridicule, calling people like me faggot and stuff just to provoke or shame or i don't know why.) and it just makes me angrier because it feels like i'm trapped as something i refuse to be. it just feels fucking wrong. i hate how the people that tell you to accept it considers me as someone like them. i don't want to be. they don't own me for fucks sake and i don't want anything to do with it.
the few science papers i've seen says that at least for now it's impossible to change. i could take that, if it wasn't followed by 'meet other gayz huhuhur / affirmative therapy / gay is ok'. start to distrust the whole paper. even if it's probably not as biased as i'd want it to.
when i've googled around for hours i either go to sleep or start googling painless secure suicide methods. i don't think i could ever go through with it but it's a bit calming to fantasize about for some reason? dunno why.
think about these things a lot when i'm awake and not occupied with something else to do. i honestly think it's not healthy because it's becoming worse every year and it feels like i'm going insane maybe. everything just feels so wrong. i wasn't supposed to be like this.. i just know i wasn't.
then there's the guilt of coming to places like /lgbt/ for example. even if it's just a futile looking for a way out i hate myself for 'slipping up'. when i cave in and watch gay porn it's even worse. it's so disgusting. worst is when i feel lonely. what i start thinking of then. that everyone can have someone to call theirs, except for me. and i don't think of girls then but i wish so fucking bad that i would.
this probably won't help you. at least you know it's not just you.
>I haven't deluded myself into believing my attraction to men will ever fully go away. My main goal is to make my attraction to women way stronger, and my attraction to men weaker.
Attraction doesn't work that way, it's not something you can direct according to your wits.
To end attraction, you have to identify what exactly attracts you to a certain person.
Then you have to work on you to find/ develop said aspect in yourself. Once you find it, the fascination and novelty will cease.
I have lots of friends. I don't really have any reason to lie about my life on an anonymous image board. Obviously, I deliver my opinions a lot more tactfully depending on who I am talking to. Fuck, 99% of the time none of the shit in this thread ever comes up irl. Why would my opinions on marriage have any effect on how well I get along with someone?
I came to this conclusion before ever visiting /pol/ And honestly, I rarely ever go on /pol/ When I do visit 4chan, I'm usually browsing the fat hate threads on /fit/
And now I've just fed into the everyone on /fit/ is secretly gay meme lol
marriage a requeriment for many bureaucratic things as well.
How have I contradicted myself? I admitted that "romantic" wasn't the right adjective to use earlier. It wasn't a contradiction, I misspoke.
Other than that, how have I "contradicted" myself?
Hang in there bro. I still haven't given up hope. Although I am still fairly young. You could be way older than me for all I know and dealing with this for far longer.
Like I said earlier, I'll probably off myself in 15 years if I haven't figured out a way to fix this shit. Hopefully it won't come to that.
Did you know that in many cultures that have existed popular gay purely sexual relations between straight men (ie most of the male pop) was common? It just was a normal thing for them perhaps you could do the same thing but in reverse. TBO our western ideas of gender are not the end all truth, different cultures un affected by abriamic (fuck spelling that word) religion often have different ideas, thailand is an example of that so dont think that anything is set in stone. So look i dont know but maybe just enjoy sex for what it is purely as a physical act of stimulation (with a woman) But seriously what ever happens please dont let it get you down. there really isnt anything wrong with being gay it isnt degenerate so please dont beat your self up about it.
>a really good understanding of the world for my age
Not by the sound of your post.
You can abstain from being gay, you might even be able to date, fuck and marry a girl but that wont make you straight.
Either grow up and accept that being gay doesn't need to define who you are, what you aspire to, and how you act, or end up as a suicide statistic.
Yes. It was created to provide a legal institution through which inheritance could be managed, simultaneously making it a valuable tool of the state and an effective weapon and shield in politicking.
I'm quoting Wikipedia here:
"Marriage, also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws.", there is nothing more else about that to say
I think you are afraid of something, that is causing strong denial. You are aways coming up with something to try to prove that you're right, specially blaming others and not looking yourself in the mirror.
You are cynical and prepotent. I am out.
Yes, but again, marriage existed long before it was a legal institution.
Marriage at it's core is literally just a man and woman who are publicly recognized as a couple and have produced children together. Religion and governments just added formalities to what humans naturally do.
That's interesting. I may read up more on those cultures.
>perhaps you could do the same thing but in reverse
That is actually what I will probably end up doing actually. I really have no problem enjoying sexual acts with a man or a woman. Beauty ideals aside, the average man and woman really aren't all that different aesthetically besides genitalia. I mean they are the same species.
It's just that about 90% of the time, I automatically fantasize about men when I'm horny, despite being capable of being turned on by both. I basically am trying to change my brain so that fantasizing about women is the automatic response. I really think my obsession with men is just a bad habit, and I've just been really lazy about trying to fix it. And after years and years of jacking off mostly to men, I have a huge mental trench that I need to dig myself out of.
What sort of fairytale do you live in?
Marriage for most of human history has been used as a political tool, even if you were citing evidence (which you're not) that supported your "its about love and dreams" delusion that's still NOT the reality we have today.
Marriage is, at it's core, about legally binding two people together for reasons that have always fluctuated and always will.
>and have produced children together
How can you type shit like that and not realise how deluded your view on marriage is?
So men and women never had monogamous relationships before legal institutions? I guess it really depends on if you believe that humans are naturally monogamous. I definitely do. I think that humans naturally seek out a mate, and pair bond, and stay together to raise their offspring. I don't believe that monogamy is a purely cultural phenomenon.
What sort of retard do you have to be to write 3 posts about gay conversion therapy and hating yourself, then allow your own thread to derail into a marriage debate?
No wonder you hate yourself so much; you've not mastered the art of creating new threads.
You're agreeing with me and too retarded to realize it. You're literally just playing a semantics game at this point.
We don't call baby dogs "children" Does that mean that a puppy isn't the young offspring of a male and female?
No, the problem is that you are neither as smart, nor as charismatic as you think you are. Which is fine. You don't actually have to be. But you probably shouldn't expect that people assume you're talking about one thing when you use a word that means something else.
Moreover, marriages are not intrinsically monogamous - that's only one of many structures they can take. It's a legal institution that can be defined in many ways depending on the state. It is not the human-specific term for "mated male-female pair".
To cope with a crippling depression I started practicing Zen meditation (zazen) three years ago.
Not only has my mood improved, I started, last year, noticing girls much more. I find my attention drawn towards women, checking their boobs and asses. It really wasn't my intention when I started, but I think there could be something.
Btw. I'm not having sex and have barely fapped in the last six months.
I wouldn't worry about stopping your gayness. The first thing you need to do is find women sexually attractive.
You don't need to be hetero, just bi and find a female partner.
You say you're basically a horndog and want to fuck every guy you know. I think you're just young and horny. Just stop thinking about sucking their dick. You probably need to get to know them better so they're not just eye candy.
I need to also say some bullshit about accepting yourself. But honestly, the biggest issue is you just need to take it slow and not beat yourself over it too much when your guy friends bend over and you want to grab their ass.
yeah, dude, well i went through the same shit. finially accepted my sexuality. you have to deal with the cards delt to you. not every faggot is a douche, flammer, or sterotype. just get off the internet for awhile, get laid, fuck yourself with a dildo, or shit fuck a woman.
Mate, if you think about it, it's just a stinky axe wound that won't fully clot. The alternative is a stick of spongy tissue filled with blood, which can also be quite stinky if not frequently cleaned. Just go ace, nigga.
t. straight male on board safari
Do what straight guys do, watch some exciting taboo stuff including the gender you're not attracted to until you become attracted to them, and then revel in the joy of acquiring new tastes whilst completely dismissing your old ones. Before you know it you'll be having sick wild sex with women and having an existential crisis the second you have an orgasm.
Homosexuality is linked to brain structures, buddy. There's plenty of scientific reasons that, while there isn't a "gay gene", you are born with the homos.
You're shit out of luck I'm afraid. I hear your points but honestly, you can still be gay and happy despite what you might think.
Gays wanting to echo straight relationships is an interesting point though.
It seems like you are a supreme gentleman just waiting to happen. There are so many wrong things on your posts that I won't even bother, but I can list few.
>literally internalized homophobia
I'd actually try to help you, but I know your type, you'll shrug every evidence off and keep deluding yourself.
>gay men are more successful, earn more, have higher degrees and are more fit than lesbians, straight males, straight females
>"king of retards"
As it is, it seems like you are already retarded, so you might as well try to be a king.
None of your greentext is really true. I'm a very open, reasonable person. 90% of the posters in this thread have either just typed insults or some variation of "accept the dick" so I have responded in kind.
The few posts that were actually thoughtful/made some type of scientific argument, I have been nothing but appreciative of.
I would like to say that I would love your help, but the fact that 2/3 of your post is personal attacks makes me believe that you have little actual advice to offer.
>all this self hate
I know the perfect solution for you.
have you ever thought about fucking girls repeatedly until you enjoy it? Go on Tinder and hook up with girls, or hire prostitutes. Just fuck girls and try to enjoy it.
...though having said that, I'm going to agree with everyone else here and say it doesn't work. I had a girlfriend for a while and it was like fucking a sack of potatoes with a flesh-light attached to it.
>afraid of acting on gay urges
Internalized homophobia: Check
>95% of homosexual men are massive faggots
>"Just look at how hard same sex couple are trying to model after straight relationships. That is ultimately what most homos want."
Hard projecting: Check
>Rewire the brain
Plain stupidity: Check
There you go all I pointed out was true, and btw the "accept the dick" advices are just tl;dring what it would be a long explanation about why you can't change your sexuality.
Those studies only look at "gay households" which are a small minority of the overall gay population (And I would argue not very representative either. It's usually men who have their shit together who get "gay married")
Fine, I'm "homophobic". I don't give a shit.
Nothing else you wrote is true. 95% of gay men are disgusting faggots. I think this thread alone easily proves that.
Pointing out that homosexual couples model off of straight relationships isn't "projecting" I'm just stating yet another fact.
>Plain stupidity: Check
It's not stupid to be skeptical and question what is possible. That is literally the whole reason I made this thread in the first place. To discuss possibilities.
You're really just proving my point that homosexuals in general are retarded and are illogical.
Oh yes the studies about gay men earning more, having more degrees, being more physically fit AND their super-representation in genius groups DON'T look at "gay households" but I guess that doesn't fit your narrative so you'll just ignore it.
Or of course, your could always be a baiter, I doubt anyone could be this stupid.
Seriously, try and have bisex. People who are married have been having bisex for years. People had stepbrothers and stepsisters that might not have actually been a bad thing. Humans aren't able to properly raise anything alone, in fact that is why homos exist. You are homo, this means you can make a good confidant for the lord who does have babby.
It means that if the lord dies, then you'll help care for babby. This is why there are gay seals, and gay penguins. Or you can totally find a couple a man and woman who you can have natural human experience with. The prostate stimulates the trust hormone in some folks. Sex creates bonds that would have historically resulted in murder. The Norse Gods are pretty gay whiteboy. They have homosex, because it happens even if you hate it. What they require of you, is that you be a good enough person, and associate with good people. Otherwise you'll be called ergi and be outlawed.
You're arguing against a side that has years of research supporting its claims as well as most psychologists, therapists, and gay people themselves.
We don't need to give you a good argument on a gay Chinese picture board. Millions of dollars and countless testimonies have done it for us, you delusional prick.
You have to go through the small porn steps
1) Start off with gay porn
2) move on to twink porn
3) move on to crossdressing twinks
4) check out some early in their transition shemale porn
5) edge into small tits/tomboy anal porn
6) continue down the ladder
that's all I got
>I'm smart, charismatic
You didn't give me such impression in this thread. You just remind me of any other arrogant, angsty reactionary, who claims to "off himself" if he doesn't meet impossible standards he imagined under post-wank guilt from trap porn. Sorry for being rude, but damn, this thread could be much shorter if you would actually listen to and respect what others say. You call everyone "retarded" for not citing redundant truths you could spend 10 minutes researching yourself, but yet stick to this nonsensical "90% of gays are flamboyant and obnoxious! couple of gay i've seen in the mall are an undeniable proof of that!" claim. You don't stand behind any scientific research or reason, you just don't want to change your beliefs, that's all. Good luck with inevitable acceptance, desu.
>95% of gay men are disgusting faggots
Where do you got the number from? How do you measure "disgusting", who do you consider a "faggot", how do you think into account all of those who are under the radar? Have you got a control group so you don't include bisexuals on lower areas of the kinsey scale?
>ing out that homosexual couples model off of straight relationships
Do you know how many couples actually model off straight couples? How did you got the number? Do you know how many don't? How did you got the number? Do you know if your first assortment is true, if the reason why they do it is because they want to be like straight or if because the monogamic format has many advantages?
Brain structures don't change after formation, unless you want to physically interfere on the brain, good luck with that.
>Born this way
Recent studies show that genes DO influence someone's sexuality, even more important epigenetics can have a huge influence, so there is a lot of room for people to be "born this way". So far the most accepted thesis is nature and nurture but not in a controllable way.
I'm not going to spoonfeed you anymore, if after this you don't understand WHY you're wrong you're either a master baiter or plainly retarded.
And you can be called erghi even without being gay. It means "angry" it refers to the tempermant that you express. This "woe is me, I like dick but I'm gonna force some woman to deal with my unsatisfactory sexuality." This is what started the myths of homosex being a curse. Your actions are unmanly, and unbecoming of a father. Depriving yourself of yourself is depriving the future of the option. It's depriving your unfortunate wife of a strong man, and depriving your kids of a good father who isn't posting on craigslist in secret giving his shrew of a wife hiv.
What kind of willpower do you actually have?
Why bother telling legbutts at all if you have doubts? "Ergi"
Wait guys I'm legit starting to think we have a mentally disabled person here.
Cool. You did a 2 minute Google Search and regurgitated the popular, mainstream opinion for me. You're so smart. I'm so glad I have all these homosexuals of "above average intelligence" who understand how to use a search engine.
And you never got anything to back up any of your points in the first place, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously? Not looking so "smart" and "charismatic" there friend.
It doesn't matter who the claims were made by. If you aren't going to provide sources your arguments, much like majority of others in this thread who cite shit but never link to any of it, are considered weak and shit.
You're not spoonfeeding anyone with weak logic, that's for absolutely sure, you're just poisoning them. Tip for any future arguments you get into, online or off - don't get into them without sources.
I feel sorry for the future wife, she's marrying into a gay man who doesn't even love her and only wants marriage for money related reasons.
No doubt you'll cheat on her with her brother or something, you flaming faggot. Children need a stable environment and a closeted homo isn't that.
>Waaaaah I wanna be straight
And I wanted to be Thomas the Tank Engine, but that shit never happened.
Just deal with it nigga.
>No real, righteous man would want to be my friend if he knew what a disgusting pervert I secretly am.
As a 100% strait male, I do not think this is the case. My best friend "slays the poosi" but i know he's a giant fag on the inside, he's even tried to start stuff on one occasion. But I love him. People will accept you for who you are.
Why not just openly admit to being gay? it's all the rage right now.
Also have you ever had relationships or sex with women? do you find them attractive?
>People will accept you for who you are.
>No real, righteous man would want to be my friend if he knew what a disgusting pervert I secretly am.
What the fuck? I am openly gay, I am in a gay relationship and guess what? I have almost only straight male friends and I can garantee you they are 'righteous'.
>Gay Men Turning Straight Future Ex Gay
Whatever you do, NEVER I repeat: NEVER get a wife and have kids. You are gay, you will therefore not be happy or sexuall satisfied with a woman. Don't ruin your future wifes and your kids life by being so fucking selfish.
Jesus Christ, look at all the insecure faggots in this thread. Are their egos really so fragile that they can't handle someone wanting to be different? This is fucking rich considering that this board tolerates trannies.
>I want to be able to marry a girl
It's literally the same as marrying a guy but with more intergender confusion. Save yourself all the "I'm fine... No srsly, I'm fine!"
>and for us to be able to satisfy each other in every way.
Can also be done with a guy.
>I want to have a family.
Can also be done with a guy.
>I want to have half a dozen children
Too many. Stick with 3 max if you want below to actually occur.
>and raise them to do so much good for the world.
Can also be done with a guy (and more likely, since children of gays tend to be more open minded, ergo, better critical thinkers).
>I want to pass on my genes.
Wait a couple of years. After that, can also be done with a guy.
>95% of homosexual men are massive faggots
Date within the 5%. Yes, that gives you 0.25% of all males at your disposal, but that's still an infinitely larger dating pool that is available to everyone on /r9k/ combined.
You can never go hetero (scientifically impossible, since it's largely influenced by prenatal hormones), and why would you want to anyway. As a homosexual, you will get to understand your partners better, pleasure each other better (as you understand each others' genitals), and be cynical of 95% of your own minority group. You'll never have accident babies and contribute to our population problem.
Also, you get to stop using condoms in an LTR with no pregnancy risk and very few disease ones (if it's master-race exclusive relationship, not ass-tier open "relationship"). Heteros can't do that without either taking pills, getting vasectomies, or crapping out malformed mini-people who will ultimately leech off of society.
>FRIENDS WILL THOUGH
let me laugh even harder
Yes, I've had two past relationships. They were alright.
Yes, I find women attractive, but not nearly as much as I find men attractive. That's what I'm trying to fix. I want to keep my homosexual desires from being so overwhelming that they prevent me from having a healthy relationship with a female.
>People will accept you for who you are
I understand women well. They are mostly whores who want a guy to take care of them financially and dominate them in bed. A few of them are more sweet and motherly, and you need to be softer with them though. I'll probably go with the latter when picking a wife.
I feel like my life would be a waste if I didn't father at least 5 children (hopefully more). I'd be one of the best dads around, and with so many children, my top tier genes will be much less likely to die out. Plus whites are a huge minority. You can never have too many white babies.
>gay men are sluuuuuts
>women are whooooooores
>everyone but me is shiiiiiit
Top tier kek.
White, family history of longevity, 6 foot master race, no serious medical problems on either side of the family going back 4 generations, most family members are above average intelligence and make bank, no genetic diseases/defects. And this is subjective, but I also think that I have beautiful eyes and hair. If anybody fucks up the genetic lottery that my children will win, it's my future wife.
I think its a matter of the difference between real and fake friends. Sometimes they'd rather have a fake friend than someone who will stay by their side no matter what... People who stay by need a good reason to stay by. You'd better be a damn good friend to keep someone like that around.
Several things you can do
>Find a woman you love on a mental level and settle down with kids.
>Get conversion therapy which in 100% of the cases does more damage than good
>Get therapy for being a little bitch that can't deal with the cards he's been dealt with.
I'd suggest the last option since that would be the least damaging to the rest of your environment.
>op makes thread
>asks if it's possible to change from gay to straight
>met with a resounding "no"
>kicks off that it's not what he wants to hear
Sometimes, the most widely accepted ideas are correct. Like gravity. Or the Earth being round.
Dude, you are never, ever, ever, EVER going to become straight. It is a delusion. It does not happen.
Right now you're nothing but cancer to anyone who comes near you, be it woman, man, cis, trans, gay, straight, whatever.
Here is my advice to you: give yourself a few years of partying and slutting around 'til you're comfortable with the most "degenerate", as you call them, aspects of the community. You're nowhere near ready to be in a relationship, don't even try it.
Once you get it out of your system, maybe when you're 30 or so, you should be able to settle down with a nice guy and be happy.
FFS OP just marry a woman and fill her with your sperm until she pops some babies while you fuck dudes on the side.
I even know of some married straight guys who liked to get fucked by a tranny from time to time.
Then it's Sunday and you're having a family lunch with your multiple kids and everyone is happy not talking about the elephant in the room.
just kill yourself anon until you are reborn as a sraight man
Start fapping to mpreg art. Eventually the thought of impregnating a womb will be your primary source of arousal. I've gotten to the point where I prefer the thought of pussy to ass. I don't really care to be straight so I havent gone that hard in that direction but im sure you can eventually get to the point where a gross fully feminine body appeals to you. Good luck anon.
I feel truly sorry for you, OP. All of that 'good understanding of the world' you possess and you still can't accept the things you can't change. Yes, a lot of gay men are insufferable but not all, and it doesn't mean you have to be one of them. It would do a lot more for your self esteem to find social groups that validate you rather than make you yearn for a life you can never live.
Also, no, there is no way for someone to scientifically change their sexuality, it's not a liberal conspiracy, it's genuinely something that science (nor faith for that matter) can achieve. A lot of ex-gay therapy is just cognitive behavioural therapy like negative associations and such which simply do not work. Try cutting yourself after every gay thought you get and see how long it takes you to be straight. That's seriously the level of treatment you're working with. There are a lot of affluent gay men with money to spend on cutting edge treatments, and I'm sure some have considered attempting to cure the gay thing but I've yet to hear about ANYONE successfully doing so. There are religious ex-gays that preach, but I saw a documentary in which a gay doctor offered to hook up anyone who'd undergone the ex-gay therapy to a machine that would measure how aroused they were while watching homosexual pornography. EVERY single one of them declined to take the test.
but you are looking for information on the internet
if someone found the graal you are looking for he would have probably have posted it somewhere anonymously
this has nothing to do with being out or closeted
You can change. You fags believe anything written without any proof. Diff you conduct the study, what was used as a control group, how was it administered and how was the conclusion derived? YES YOU CAN CHANGE! these fag's want to lead you their way by gay pressure. Reality is, exposure, finding out is it the male figure, personality, role or what truly attracts you to guys. If the point of attraction can be applied to both sexes, start adjusting your habits. You're used to thinking your gay and looking at guys. You train yourself. Your urges don't control you. Adjust your habits until they are newly formed.
Holy shit scanned the first couple of posts in this thread
and it all seems like terrible advice.
Dude I'm sorry I'm going through the same thing. It's hard (No pun intended). Especially when friends are involved because everybody already knows you as a certain way. The only thing I've been able to come up with is to just move far away and completely start over, but in my circumstances this would be relatively impossible because of my economic situation. I am extremely poor and I know it sounds kind of crazy but the people around me might be keeping me down on purpose. I live in a very small town in the south with no vehicle and theres only maybe 10 different places I can work all of which I've applied at. I already left and went to New York last summer that worked for a little while I had a job at Burger King in Brooklyn and stayed at a homeless shelter everything was going good until I got robbed at knife point a couple times so I left and came back.
Sorry for getting so personal I'm trying to think of advice but all I can do is think of my own situation.
A lot of people are suggesting to find another gay person with the same values as you but, if your situation is anything similar to mine then this would be impossible. The whole point of a relationship is trust. You can't trust most people nowadays.
If you do get a wife, op, I suggest being completely honest with her. If you are as smart and charismatic as you say, it shouldn't be difficult to find a woman to fall in love with you, and women can be pretty accepting of unconventional situations.