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Sanders wrote about freedom of the LGBT in the 70s, held the first pride parade in vermont in 1980s. Voted against Clinton DOMA. Has 100% rating from HRC. Supporting LGBR Marriage since the 70s.
>a meme can't revolve around something that actually happened
Is it really necessary to make that big a deal over a few protesters granted he wasn't "strong" against them
But I also have video of him literally telling someone to shut up.
He has been fighting Wall Street and big Pharma for decades now
That doesn't make someone a pushover
Yes it does, because it easily showed several verifiable problems with him as a presidential candidate. He didn't have the words for an immediate problem, there was no one to hold the stage back from anyone to walk up it, he should have just thrown his mic to the side the second they made it on stage, and he willingly let his staff to give them the mic and then stood off to the side staring at the ground. The hilarious thing is he was the one that had more for that group than any other candidate, people that should have even been on his side but instead want to use him.
Clinton is already sold to whoever corporations funded her campaign, and Trump could make things easier for corporations but you know he will at least try to force them back into America. Bernie's going to fight them but it won't mean shit if he can't even defend himself against people that should be on his side.
>Yes it does, because it easily showed several verifiable problems with him as a presidential candidate.
ur stretching it
He has 40 years of history to show that you're full of it, anon. You're being awfully dimwitted to jump to such wild conclusions based on one event -- that didn't even happen the way you're implying it did.
Vote for Comrade Sandres
Bernie is a political dinosaur playing at whatever makes him "progressive" and pandering to minorities, which nigs ALWAYS fall for, no matter how many times they get cucked by the Dems. Fuck that commie, he understands economics like a dog understands physics. "Everything for free!", yeah I bet....
Like, I know strawmen and caricatures are really easy to argue against but it's a really weak way to do any sort of debate. You need better rhetorical skills before you should do any more debating on the internet, there is a low tolerance for fallacies and incoherence in internet debates.
Meh no, i mean i understand where you are coming from. i used to say that too when i was like really pro-trump, but you use that in a real argument and it's like...you really can't make the statement he's a flawed politician or government official based on how he handled two rowdy people at a rally. You have to make assumptions to come to this conclusion and it makes you look emotional.
it's just not very good....basis for arguments with people outside of 4chan. trust me family you'll see if you use it against some people with higher power levels.
Oh boy, here we go. The 'ol "fallacy" regurgitation. Do you even know any others other than the "strawman"? I seriously see that shit only come out of two types of mouths. People who JUST learned about fallacy, or people trying to be articulate or educated. It doesnt work, fuck stick.
"Huuurrr, strawman! Durrrr"
There. Thats you.
The truth is that trump is being controlled by an insect
> this is the average /pol/ user
so glad i stopped posting there except for the happening threads.
I learned a few things from /pol/ but jesus christ after awhile you realize it's retarded.
you niggas are inverse tumblrinas. you'll realize it someday too when you look at things more objectively or when they talk about things that they really don't understand.
i miss old /pol/...
Trump passes better than most people on here desu
Srrrreewwww meeeen durrrr!!!
Fuck off. You cant argue Bernie, guys a fucking tool. I bet you're a little liberal millennial fuck that thinks when the gov throws out words like "free", it means all the benefits you reap are the fruits of a magical money tree.
It's funny. I think the same thing about Bernie supporters. They are naive children -that or ppl that just want free stuff and like being pandered to, which I guess is still being like a child. What gets me is how he is touted as anti-establishment outsider when he is a carrier politician who's been doing his thing for what... 40 yrs? At any rate he is totally inept foreign policy wise and will do even worse than Obama/Hilary did.
Who are you quoting?
>Fuck pulling your own weight, right?
Not everyone who receives government assistance is lazy. Sometimes people aren't even a position to pull their own weight, and unless they're offered assistance to improve their own circumstances they will continue to be nothing but a drain on society.
"The poor needvit more than the rich". So? That doesn't entitle them to anothers earnings. The world doesnt operate on handouts. If you're so for redistribution, wire me your spare money right now. I live below the poverty level and I'm "working poor". So send me your spare cash or rake the title of hypocrite.
But MOST are just fucking lazy. I've lived in ghettos most my life. I've met like 3 people that legit needed assistance. The rest were lazy niggers and white trash.
All of this aside, neither of you seem to get it. You aren't ENTITLED to something simply because you NEED it. Life is hard, and its unfair to tax those who get ahead, in order to service those who dont.
You're not really doing yourself any favors, arguing against a call out for a strawman by doubling down on the strawmen. Have you considered that you hear it so often because you argue like a child and wildly invent things to attack in your opponent?
>"The poor needvit more than the rich". So? That doesn't entitle them to anothers earnings. The world doesnt operate on handouts
"Entitlement" is irrelevant. Neither does any notion of "ownership". All that matters is actions and consequences. If I could easily prevent a murder with no harm to myself, but choose not to (of course assuming I am aware of all of this), I should be responsible for the murder being allowed to occur. It doesn't matter that I didn't actually commit murder, what matters is I chose to allow the murder to happen. It's the same with money. If the rich are unwilling to subsidize healthcare, and poor people die as a result, the rich are responsible for the death. This notion of "I'm entitled to my earnings" is literally just saying "I value money more than human life". Allowing someone to die because you're unwilling to give up your money is MORALLY EQUIVALENT to killing someone over money. And the overall utility is maximized when there is relatively minimal wealth inequality.
He doesn't offer free stuff, friend. You keep beating that drum, but you're marching towards the wrong battlefront. This is why folks are calling you an idiot: you're parroting ridiculous claims that you got second hand from someone who didn't know what he was talking about either. At least attack the man on actual stances, like being a huge fag coddler.
No, I hear it from fucktards like you who have 0 debate skills. Calling "strawman" is akin to the old trusts "racist" label. You cant argue with somone? Try to call them on a strawman, or call them a racist! You cant lose!
Lol, you didn't address any thing I said, just fell back on your one known fallacy that doesn't even really fit the convo, so hopefully someone sees you as some kind of verbal tactician. Does it hurt being called out so bad?
Tell you what, come sit in my lap and tell me all about it, princess.
Where did Bernie Sanders say he was offering free housing and food to every American citizen? If he didn't even offer that much, you can't say he was promising "everything for free".
An OBVIOUS generalization? Are you a fucking 1970s computer? Do you not understand context or generalization? You ate officialy arguing semantics. Should we start correcting grammar next? None of this is helping your Bernie Sanders argument.
Lol, you know what. Fuck this. Sanders is still an inept clown and Socialist weasel, you are a jackass with no real argument or supporting evidence for him, my show is over and I have work tomorrow (someones gotta feed and take care of your precious welfare recipients, right?) so, goodnight!
I'll sleep knowing I'm not a part of the problem, and pampered little man-children like you will be forced to grow up someday.
Sleep tight, pinko.
Oh, and one more time.... "Huuuurr stawmaaan duuuurrr!". Lol
YOU'RE the one who started out making the argument that Bernie Sanders has a poor understanding of economics, yet refused to provide any support for the argument other than "wealth redistribution is bad mmkay". Burden of proof is on YOU. Either support you claims, or admit you can't or won't.
>why is this place so good if you ignore the things that are bad about it
I agree with you though. I just wanted to get the argument out of the way.
it's too separate issues, you can enact there health care policy without enacting their immigration one
>>implying Bernie isn't notorious for never getting anything done in Congress and the Senate.
Only because he actually has values and integrity. You can easily get stuff passed in congress if only you're willing to sell out and do what's popular.
1. They were built on homogeneous white population which favors individualism and gets destroyed with multiculturalism, you can't have both at the same time
2. Tiny population
3. They have strong history with labor union movement because they're hybrid between East and West
Or if you have ingenuity and ruthlessness. Honesty is a nice sentiment but it's pointless if the greater good never ends up coming along.
Now if only we had a candidate who's as smart as a whip and has also been pro lgbt since 2000...
>sweden rape capital of the world
>norway's standard of living getting destroyed by the oil slump killing their stupid trust fund that they thought would never go away like stupid children
>finnish unemployment at something like 10% still, young unemployment 20% because free college leads people to make stupid education decisions
denmark is ok. it's also less socialist than the fucking united states
I want Trump so much I'd personally shit on the court order for gay marriage myself.
I want America to be burnt and reformed under the stern guidance of Trump.
>>norway's standard of living getting destroyed by the oil slump killing their stupid trust fund that they thought would never go away like stupid children
Uh, isn't that kind of the opposite of what Norway did? Unlike most countries with good natural resources, they actually invested it into education and stuff.
I am really no authority on this subject
but I googled "Bernie Sanders congressional record and found this article
and the Almanac of American Politics dubbed him a "practical and successful legislator"
Trump almost failed out of a school he only got in because of bribes, and has consistently been considered a ruthless moron by business experts since his casino days. If you say Trump is smart as a whip, I say it's only in the most literal of all senses.
Well, he's a fucking millionaire and presidential candidate so he must be doing something right. Also, Im glad to see this many Bernie haters ITT. Gives me hope that I may actually be able to keep most of the money I earn in coming years without having to feed every fatted, spoiled socialist that whines and cries about their "entitlements". They do so remind me of children throwing a temper tantrum.
As much as they stomp, cry, and flail the one fact remains: YOU aren't entitled to what I worked for. Now fuck off.
Unless cis women are drafted, trannies SHOULD be exempt, otherwise it's inconsistent. If they're willing to draft trannies but not cis women, they have to admit it has literally nothing to do with physical abilities and is purely an arbitrary decision based on assigned sex.
>YOU aren't entitled to what I worked for. Now fuck off.
You have no inherent "entitlement" to what you worked for, either. The notion of being entitled to choose what to do with your money, rather than it being used for the greatest good, is purely a social construct.
I don't have any problem with that. The draft honestly SHOULD be gender neutral (and in my opinion there shouldn't be different standards for men vs women). The point I was making was that having cis women be exempt using physical strength differences as a justification doesn't make sense if that same policy doesn't also apply to transitioned mtfs.
>mfw watching bernie supporters arguing with trump memesters
You do realize you're being trolled, right? I wish sanders' economic policies made more sense, because it's refreshing to see a candidate literally send cease and desist orders to unaffiliated super PACs that want to support him. And also just to see how he actually seems to connect to the people in a tangible way instead of the usual bullshit. Unfortunately, he's trying to turn a fundamentally different country into a socialist state.