If you want to truly look good, androgyny is the way. You will be feminine enough for men and masculine enough for females, something like Bill Kaulitz from Tokio Hotel, which only surgery can provide.
HRT is a waste of time otherwise. Too bad most don't have the funds to get surgeries.
>tfw HRT made me andro
>tfw got money for all surgery in the world
>tfw just wanna fucking die already
I got lots of other issues too.
Even if I'm the prettiest mtf in the world I'll still be a mess in the head, and my body betrays me in irrelevant ways to being trans to the point I get nightmares about hairloss or starving.
It's mostly the mental issues though. They cripple me and make me wanna die without any objective reason.
This. I've met so many older fem gay guys into drag who think they're glamorous, ageless fairies (and try to talk shit about people on HRT, or who get surgeries) but they look like a bunch of middle-aged cavemen if cavemen acted like 16-year-old girls who just broke into their mom's makeup drawer in 1985.
That being said, androgyny IS hot as fuck... but if you legitimately suffer from gender dysphoria, you shouldn't sacrifice your future just because you want pretty gay boy hipster status until your teens. Testosterone is a hell of a thing and will sneak right up on you.
Androgyny only works for so long before you start looking like a hon tho
At which point your looks don't matter anymore and you should focus on other things in life, like every other middle aged hasbeen. People get old and look like shit. From 20-30, assuming you keep moderatley fit, you should look relatively good.
>tfw on HRT for 9 months
>tfw can't even achieve the holy grail of androgyny
I was speaking generally you ass. Nowhere did I mention I was directly talking about Bill. I'm saying MOST hot androgynous guys are much better off not declaring themselves ugly to average women.
Facial bone structure has a lot to do with it, which you can't do anything about unless you want to dabble in costly and risky surgeries that might turn you into Joan Rivers.
Getting really skilled in make-up helps but not if you already have a manly. If your face is genderless then make up is a huge helper, but every case is different.
Hormones only help a bit and mainly just prevent further masculinization. People ascribe too much as to their efficacy.
Richard O'Brien who wrote the songs for Rocky Horror has been on HRT to look fem for the last 30 years and looks alright considering he only started in his 40s and after he had already gone bald. He's in his early 70s in this pic.
biological men of /lgbt/, is this our inevitable fate?
At least he was really fucking handsome back in the day.
I think he was pretty qt when he was younger.
I saw him in person two years ago and as weird as it sounds I think he looks worse on photos. He's really, really short though, lol.
I agree 100% with this statement
I look like a hon.
Diets suck, exercising sucks, having to shower daily sucks, brushing your teeth sucks, not wearing pajama pants and a t shirt sucks. Being on HRT isn't some unique struggle
Even people on chemotherapy don't bitch as much as mtfs
While androgynous works for some, it is a very hard line to follow, and genetics and hormones are against you. To maintain it you will need to not have to much estrogen, and little testosterone too. Then you'll be fighting osteoporosis all the time because you don't have proper hormone levels in you.
Also, no it won't get you more partners, because the partners that are willing to go out with somebody in the middle are much fewer in number. It's kinda like the bisexual fallacy. Bisexuals find they have a much reduced range of potential partners because most straights, lesbians and gays won't go out with a bisexual.
>risk of osteoperosis
Negligible. A lot of guys on hormones are in the acceptable (albeit lower) range of average estrogen levels. As long as you're not DIY, this is not a valid concern.
Not gonna lie. You were a pretty hot guy, but you're just sort of... average for a girl. I mean, its your life and your happiness, but I couldn't do it. Its a lot harder to compete as a woman, so why do so many trannies do it? Personally I know I'd be an uggo and never be approached by as many men and women as I am now. I don't see much point in transition if I had to be alone.
I don't really get misgendered in public at all, but hey ho. Maybe i'm getting hugboxed by society, who knows. The baby fat from hrt has hidden most of the damage, but i'm planning on getting FFS, but the point i was making was 'look how much difference HRT made'.
I can look back and think 'Yeah that guy was good looking dude', but that identity just feels like a totally separate person from who i am. I literally consciously forged that person out of repression and wanting het girls to find me attractive. It wasn't natural or fun at all. Also there are plenty of people who will date trans girls, we're like 0.3% of the population. Even if only 5% of men are into trans girls that's still like 200 or so men to one trans girl.
You only get osteoporosis if you have no hormones in your system. If you drop your T without increasing your E you get it. If you have E in the normal female range you shouldn't get it. If you just block your T and take nothing else in it's place you will get osteoporosis but that's not what any informed person does.
For all that I dislike Blanchard and his legacy, he never even suggested that transition was not an appropriate treatment for his "autogynephiles". No, his gatekeeping affected those that wouldn't share (the right) sex stories and fantasies with him, or undress for his damn cameras. Any other researcher would have been censured. Thankfully, all of the Clarke Institute's patients were a less important/worthy class of human, less trustworthy and respected in their multitude, and with physical evidence than was the good doctor.
Fuck you, CAMH.
If you've lived for a while with T in your system it already shapes your bones differently and affects your height and hips. Those changes are permanent. Like it's not like just taking E magically solves every problem. This is why all the femboys take E and spiro/cypro. If you are masculine looking in order to be androgynous you need to feminize whatever you feel you need to, if you are feminine then the opposite. HRT isn't isn't magic, it's not like you pop those pills and turn into a cis girl... as great as that would be.
Most of the info on hormone related osteoporosis in genetic males seems to be on much older men who have had orchi for one reason or another. Its pretty well known that older people are far more susceptible in general.
I think its unlikely that simply having very low T ,especially at a young age, would cause osteoporosis in an otherwise healthy person who gets the proper amount of Vit D, Calcium and exercise. Adding a small amount of E wouldn't hurt, considering estrogen is the primary sex hormone responsible for bone health in both females AND males.
Lack of T also seems to come with a list of other minor and major benefits (depending on perspective) and may actually increase the lifespan of genetic males. Basically, as long as you're not already 50 or 60 I think a lot of the fears about having low sex hormones are overblown.
>even his fans wonder why he didn't age for nearly 10 years
>tfw a heavy smoker ex drug addict 40 something guy looks younger than you
I'm not even trans, just jelly.
>and my body betrays me in irrelevant ways to being trans to the point I get nightmares about hairloss
Just a quick FYI, male pattern baldness will not effect you if you are on HRT.
I know it's small but I hope that helps a bit?
Finally just got the ability to go see a doc and talk about getting in on hormones and now i see some bs like this post. I'm not saving up to do any damned surgeries
Being androgynous in a masculine way is kind of fun but most of the time I want to iron off all the hard edges and thats probably what im going to do this year
I'm on HRT for 2 years and still feel like I'm losing more hair than grows back.
Sometimes I got nightmares where I'd pull whole strains off my head.
Rarely had worse dreams than that.
And I don't have much hair to start with.
I had a bit too high T with 1 ng/ml so we adjusted my dose, then he just told me looks good, but no actual levels.
Rest was all good except for thyroid hypofunction for which I got meds but that changed nothing.
Well I take cypro now, it should be a DHT inhibitor, no?
My DHT was super high before we adjusted my dose, 270 ng/l or so, but that was also on spiro and I guess the reason why we switched.
I dunno what my DHT is at now, got my next test in 11 days and I'll make sure to ask for a copy I guess.
From what i've read cypro is a progestogen which is a synthetic form of progesterone which also happens to inhibit 5a reductase activity similar to finasteride but i'm unsure about whether using a dht inhibiter with cypro is necessary or beneficial
yeah it is. also do you see any side effects from cypro? you know it fucks with pretty much everything, liver, sugar metabolism, adrenal hormones etc but overall cypro is good but probably not good for long term use
Trying to bear the depressions but it's so bad...
On the other hand on spiro, I can't manage to drink enough. Plus I got the impression I got more body hair growth.
I really might switch back to spiro, though I feel like when I went from Progynova + Spiro to Cypro + Estrofem I got another little feminisation boost. Just my breasts are still as nonexistant as ever.
I've only been on cypro for 2 months now, 6 more and I get the snip, then I can finally ditch whatever I happen to be on. Hope my liver will forgive me the ride.