How true is >pic related ?
The implied argument of this picture goes directly against the fact mtf porn is about a billion times more popular than ftm porn. I consider myself an expert on this topic since I've been involved in numerous trap porn threads and have masturbated to over 3000 confirmed tranny videos .
>nobody wants you if they have to be associated with you or interact with you at all outside of sex
That's basically true of how a lot of us feel about normie non-trans women too though.
If the MtF is over 40, and the FtM is under 40, then yes, this is largely true.
If the MtF is in their 20s, less than, like, 6'2", and has had FFS, SRS, BA, and HRT, there's at least a decent chance (~50+%) you wouldn't tell them apart from a cis woman (unless their voice a shit).
If the FtM is under 5', then they're going to look odd regardless.
this is 100% accurate and the reason that most mtfs i meet bitch about how easy ftms have it
>me, when i was pre everything and just began coming out as male, 16
>i was terrible at being a girl but when i cut my hair and changed up my wardrobe i was cutest guy at my small charter school
>emphasis on cute i was a mid puberty justin bieber looking kid
>i had it pretty easy since i inherited my mom's masculine build but i had a pretty and androgynous face
>i was already passing a week into transition and almost everyone i met complimented my appearance which never happened when i was living as female
>there were even a few straight girls and gay guys who wanted to fuck me which is where i found all my validation
>being male is awesome
>fast forward 6 months later
>get mtf gf
>i really liked her so i didn't pay attention to how fucking ugly she was
>i thought she passed but after breaking up with her i realized she looked like an androgynous skinny fat teenage boy
>she was 17 and been on hormones since she was 15
>i was passing as a cute, desirable boy when i was pre everything
>pan to the horrid support groups
>all the mtfs looked how my ex did, skinnyfat boy with long hair
ive met a lot of mtfs through support groups, panels, etc and only about 25% ive met pass and only about 2 i met were actually pretty (one of them was 12)
most the ftms i meet even when theyre pre everything are able to pass and if they dont its usually their fault for dressing up like their favorite anime character in booty shorts, pink hair, and drawn on eyebrows
>If the MtF is in their 20s, less than, like, 6'2", and has had FFS, SRS, BA, and HRT, there's at least a decent chance (~50+%) you wouldn't tell them apart from a cis woman (unless their voice a shit).
Ftms can take testosterone and look passable. regardless of ag and have high sucess rate.
Mtfs on the other hand need to spend shit tons of cash. and have a lower sucess rate.
This is because girls don't consume porn anywhere near the amount that men do
Ftms have cute gfs and live normal lives where as mtfs are fetish sex objects for fantasy only
>that head shape
>those soulless dog eyes
>that square chin
>those big ears
did you break into my apartment? how do you know how i look like?
As a MtF this thread is triggering me deeply, FtM are coming off as fucking bullies who they are better than their trans sisters simply because they have different/easier time passing/blending in it, like shit triggering shit like:
I FUCKING HATE ALL YOU SHORT DICKLESS MEN FUCK YOU.
at least i admit ftms have it easier then plead that we all have our struggles and yadda yadda ya whatever bullshit. i in no way think im better than you. ive got respect for you just for still being alive and actually sympathize with mtfs whereas i laugh whenever ftms complain about being trans. probably what you didnt want to hear but i dont really care.
Because I'm a typical hopeless NEET mtf with nothing better to be honest.
I do wonder however why would a cis woman want to be with a transdude? They lack the best traits of men(height and a penis), so I don't get the appeal. I get why people want transgirls(feminine penis,etc) but I don't get cis girls with trans dudes.
PS: I hate trans dudes.
Yeah, I wish. Of course it's not fucking true, you mongoloids. I hope you're trolling. Sure, there's a kernel of truth there, but it's wildly exaggerated.
That person is either a troll or just a complete cunt. Disregard. I'm not going to play "Oppression Olympics" with you or claim that FtMs have it worse, but I will say that a lot of FtMs are suicidal and miserable, too. You're not going to instantly pass unless you already looked like a dude.
The ftms I know are girls who think that male privilege exists and don't recognize the enormous amount of privilege they received for being female. They don't really act or present as male and get all pissy about feminism on the internet and identify as FTM. My favorites are stealth bros who look and act like dudes because they are, and the ones who are 100% flaming gay men with vaginas.
>I honestly you get raped by a pack of cis men.
wow nice, havent gotten that before. maybe my lack of empathy comes from being socially retarded but eh, at least im not wishing rape upon a stranger on the internet. grow up and stop looking at the thread if it upsets you so much.
Different anon here. I'm honestly really, really sorry that you're in pain. I would love to be able to something to help you out, but I'm a horribly awkward, socially-anxious shut-in, and I can't even help myself. I guess all I can do is say that I wish you the best and hope that things get better for you. Life isn't fair, but I can't just accept that as a fact and be okay with it. I want to fix it, but I can't, and it kills me.
I don't ever want to be a "bully" or lack empathy (nor am I obsessed with "male privilege" or feminism). I just want to be a 100% stealth FtM and not bother anyone, be nice to everyone, and help people. That sounds pathetic, but I fucking hate to see people tearing into each other like this. I guess I don't belong on 4chan or whatever because I have feelings, but I don't have anyone in my real life that I can talk to, so I come here and am consumed by all of the misery. I'm so sorry. I wish I could do something. I'm sorry. I don't know what else to say. This sounds so stupid and I'm going to be too anxious to even come back to this thread after posting, but fuck it.
I know where we are and all, but seriously, stop being such a fucking bitch to someone who's clearly upset.
>. Life isn't fair, but I can't just accept that as a fact and be okay with it.
This is me, I keep on keeping on because I need to try because it's better to say at the end of the day that I gave it a shot. I don't know exactly what you want to fix but I'd say it's better to try to get as close as possible that not at all.
I feel bad about the whole fake man comment now, you seem like a cool dude. It's rare I get actually kinda upset by a comment on 4chan, I apologize to all. I don't know how the FtM threads are on here but I'm sure they're cool people on here.
FtMs and MtFs are like light skin and dark skin blacks
they keep arguing about which is more desired, who has it harder, who's 'more black' ect., but to everyone else they're both just niggers
Literally what else do men have to offer aside from a dick to ride and physical prowess to defend you? Even straight cis women agree that dudes are more utilitarian than genuinely hot.
what do women have do offer except for a hole designed for dick?
every tranny is subpar, but women have nothing to offer except their body, which mtfs can't provide. men have protection and resources to offer which ftms (and intersex men with vaginas) can provide.
sex is more mental for women than hurrr dick
I've never met many FtMs, but I know a couple of gay transguys through my uni and they're some of the nicest lgbt people I've met on campus. They're just fun to hang out with and don't come with a lot of bullshit drama like the MtFs and lesbians.
The only 'transguys' I hate are the septum pierced, colored mohawk weirdos who look like 12 year olds and insist that they don't need to take hormones because wearing a bowtie makes them feel manly. Fuck those clowns.
They're like the bearded man in a dress types who don't attempt to look female in any way and still want to be thought of as women. They're literally worse than hons, because at least some hons try.
Whats worse is some of these female genderspecials are unironically radfem shitstains who want to be seen as guys while still lording 'male privilege' over transwomen who blend, or attempt to blend.
>dudes are more utilitarian than genuinely hot
Excuse me but that is bullshit
I think its easier to hide that you're having sex with someone who is female with ftms than with mtfs
Bi girl who has a had sex with ftms and mtfs; ftm really wasn't that much different than a man, except i like giving blowjobs so that sucked
mtf just felt like a man to me, cause there's really no way to hide the penis
>tfw also look like an androgynous skinny fat teenage boy
>tfw this is the best estrogen can do for me
>women have nothing to offer except their body
The more time I spend on /lgbt/, the more I start to realize why feminists hate trans people so much.
Tbf, they were mirroring what the previous anon said about men. And the "women have nothing to offer except their body" doesn't really seem to be a trans thing so much as a 4chan thing.
I know a FtM and he just looks like a short, fat 15 year old boy with boobs, wide hips and a really girly voice. Testosterone is fucking poison tho. Literally ruins your bone structure irreversibly.
Tbh I prefer trans guys, studly masculine energy, but not overly arrogant. Will stand up and protect you and still cuddle and support you. Don't get bored of foreplay and can relate to trans feels.
"women have nothing to offer except their body" is a socialization thing. It's more prominent in males, simply because they've never had to live with that kind of bigotry. That's why you see so much of it on male-dominant communities like 4chan. It's also why you see a lot of MtFs on 4chan, because deep in their hearts, they are males.
Well, maybe it's a poison to you if you don't want it and its effects. Since starting T, I feel like an actual human being. I finally feel "right." I wish it would change my bone structure to be more masculine, if that's what you mean, but I'm nearly 30.
>I feel like an actual human being. I finally feel "right."
I'm glad that ftms get that sort of feeling on hormones too; it's pretty amazing, isn't it? (Is this how cis people feel all the time?)
>cis started as a few people in a cave in Africa or Europe
>multiplied and spread to every corner of every country and every island
>not an infection
You are inferior. Shut up dog shit.
It would probably be better for life in general if we were extinct, yeah. I mean, we've even had massive geological effects. The very planet is getting fucked by us, and the list of personal extinctions is huge. Talk about an invasive species, humanity is the exemplar.
The difference in metabolism between people are minuscule. Unless there's something seriously wrong with you, your metabolism is fine.
Go find your TDEE. Eat 500 cals less than your TDEE
Go to MFP
TRACK EVERY FUCKING THING YOU EAT.
It's that simple and you should lose weight, you don't exercise but you should though. If you don't lose weight, you either can't fucking count or something is legit wrong with you.
I wish I could believe it's bait but I've encountered mtfs like this before so I'm wary. It's kind of funny because I used to be sympathic and want to help mtfs but after how some mtfs have treated my ftm brother I can't help but feel dislike for them.
If you were an attractive man/woman before becoming trans you are going to be a hot trans
If you're ugly, and on some rare occasions ugly turns into hot trans mostly true for mtfs then yeah
As a lesbian, I feel mtfs are hotter but that's just me. Ftms are odd looking
> and on some rare occasions ugly turns into hot trans mostly true for mtfs then yeah
Happens sometimes but rare. Pic related.
>As a lesbian, I feel mtfs are hotter but that's just me. Ftms are odd looking
Your probably one of the rare lesbians who don't give waiver towards ftms. Lots of self proclaimed lesbians date ftms for some reason.
> She's a Female to Male
> square attracitve male jaw =/= attractive female jaw. lol wtf r u saying
anon you are the only pure soul on this website...and i agree, that guy's being a total dick (heh), it's pointless to say who has it worse or whatever but if someone's that upset for legitimate reasons there's no reason to treat them like that. thanks for showing genuine empathy i guess