that the notion that transwomen are AGP fetishists will gain mainstream traction and make everyone think i'm fulltiming some degenerate, misogynistic penchant. and spiral staircases. and intravenous needles.
>>5628129 >that the notion that transwomen are AGP fetishists will gain mainstream traction and make everyone think i'm fulltiming some degenerate, misogynistic penchant. That's literally what people believe already.
>>5628158 autogynephilia, a humiliating coping mechanism that manifests in some transwomen growing up what has been shilled by people like Blanchard who claims it's not just a symptomatic phenomenon, but legitimately the etiological origin of any and all transwomen who aren't exclusively attracted to men... even if they never actually experience autogynephilia...
>>5628196 the sheer amount of assumptions you just made in so few words is astounding. right, do you understand Blanchard's typology? Blanchard claims that there are 2 kinds of MtF transsexuals. Exclusively Homosexual Transsexuals, by which he means transwomen exclusively attracted to men (hence his calling them homosexual would be seen as a misnomer). And AGP transsexuals. He doesn't claim that AGP transwomen don't have gender dysphoria, he just claims it's an extension of a fetish. Essentially Blanchard thinks sex and gender are inseperable. He thinks tru-trans are gay men who are so gay that they want to be women (this doesn't explain exclusively homosexual muscle bear tops though, does it?). He thinks the only way an anatomical male who experiences any attraction to women could want to be a woman is because they internalise their attraction to women (gynephilia) in themselves (autogynephilia). Trans-exclusionary radical feminists jumped on this and claim that it's a humiliation fetish and that these "men" are such misogynists that to them the most humiliating thing they could be is a woman. But nobody would want to full-time that. It just doesn't make sense.
I NEVER claimed AGP doesn't exist. It does, it's just not where a person's gender dysphoria originates. It's a symptom of underlying dysphoria. That's all.
What does trans whores have anything to do with it? A lot of transwomen are whores because sex work gets them transition bux. A lot just like getting fucked. That doesn't mean they're AGP unless you allow, by that measure, that absolutely everyone who likes sex at all must be AGP or AAP.
>>5628232 ... is this bait? because in all my comments here i have not once denied the existence of autogynephilia. you also seem to suffer from a great deal of affirmation bias. you see the "30% ugly men" (or hons) cause they stand out. you see an apparent "70% sluts" from watching tranny porn. you don't see the ones who do pass, and don't do porn. they blend in with cis women so you don't notice them. that doesn't mean they don't exist.
i honestly can't speak on the subject of tranny porn because i've never watched it, so i don't know what they do. but they do not represent 70% of us.
>>5628274 you are saying autogynephilia is a symptom of underlying gender disphoria, but im telling you that in the case of tranny whores, who are not only very passable indeed, but most probably the most passable of all, (why? cause they make the most money out of all trans, they are being rewarded for being special), still seem to jack off to their own image rather than to other people
if this is cause "they are fake trans, autogynephlics" i can get on board with it, but you can't say autogynephilia is 'just a symptom of another problem that can be solved by transition', when some of the best transitioners are obviously still very much autogynephiliacs
i think they are two different things
also, you are being naive, tranny porn is literally a world catalogue of the most passable trans in existance, and there is no such thing as a 'blended' trans
>>5628294 and nothing you've said here refutes the claim that AGP is symptomatic of broader, underlying dysphoria. it's just that as they progress through transition it clearly doesn't leave, for these individuals. so they continue to experience AGP.
>tranny porn is literally a world catalogue of the most passable trans in existance
the burden of proof lies with you. prove to me that every (or even a vast majority) of passable trans women are or have ever been in the porn industry or sex work. also, prove that absolutely every single trans woman in sex work does it because of AGP and not simply to make enough money to survive.
>>5628313 Okay 1- "No one will give jobs to trannies" -> LGBT says this 2 - Tranny pornstars make thousands of dollars a year. -> Common sense says this, the clothes and material belongings they have say this 3 - The only job being given to trannies is modelling and porn jobs, in which they look for the MOST PASSABLE ONES, which are rewarded the most.
Its almost obvious that a passable tranny that doesn't want to die and isn't an idiot will end up doing porn.
>also, prove that absolutely every single trans woman in sex work does it because of AGP and not simply to make enough money to survive. I never said this was the case, i said that very passable trannies, who shouldn't be having disphoria anymore, or at least should have decreased it, are fapping off to their own mirror reflections,
You need to get im not posing a theory, im breaking YOURS, you say that autogynephila is a part of gender disphoria, if gender disphoria can be mended by transitioning then you shouldn't find that trannies that could fool almost anyone in the planet are autogynephiliac, they should have 'cured'.
>>5628340 i said it's symptomatic of gender dysphoria. i didn't say it's part of the causal mechanism that leads to the dysphoria in the first place. transitioning might be pushed as a way of "curing" gender dysphoria insofar as it alleviates feelings of depression, self hatred and disgust at one's own body. it doesn't change the fact that the person in question was born biologically male and will always live an inherently different life to cis women for this reason.
so what if some transitioned trans women still get off to their own body image? yeah i agree it's kind of weird but it doesn't mean they're fulltiming that fetish in public. it doesn't mean they're getting a sexual kick out of it when they're just going around trying to get on in life. there are far worse fetishes out there imo. rape, necrophilia, sadism, bestiality... just... why judge people and expect them to fit your prescribed view of how they should be and act?
that aside that was probably one of your clearest and most articulate posts so uhh, congrats for moving the discussion forward.
>>5628340 oh sorry i think i should clarify. i'm also not claiming that autogynephilia is solely a symptom of gender dysphoria and that was a mistake of mine.
what i'm saying is that if someone who experiences gender dysphoria also exhibits autogynephilia, that autogynephilia doesn't preclude their dysphoria.
anyone who was purely AGP but not dysphoric (therefore not transgender) would have no reason to try and fulltime and permanently identify as the opposite gender. these people would simply be satisfied with crossdressing in private and identifying as male in everyday life. they wouldn't see a need to transition. okay. some take hormones but still identify as male. look at femgen for example.
>>5628395 hopefully the above clarified that for you but i still disagree with the notion that they are walking sexual fantasies. people don't base their entire identities and live their entire lives just to fulfill their sexual fantasies. not when doing so means losing friends, being discriminated against, losing out on work opportunities, and putting themselves at risk for being violently attacked. if someone is willing to brave it out through all of that simply for a sexual fetish, i dunno what to say. they're mad.
>>5628389 i honestly didn't think my initial post was going to lead to someone having at me with such persistence. sorry.
>>5628395 you also seemed to assert here >>5628232 that the only trans people who don't experience AGP are non-passing hons. how does a person's passability have anything to do with AGP? take me for example. I don't experience AGP. I also don't pass. so just now, i would fit into that group as far as you think. but i'm also young enough and so early in the process that the possibility is there for me to pass one day. i don't think (and I could be wrong) that i will suddenly become AGP and want to fuck myself the moment i pass.
>>5628418 >what i'm saying is that if someone who experiences gender dysphoria also exhibits autogynephilia, that autogynephilia doesn't preclude their dysphoria.
Ohhhh, well thats different, i can agree with that
>people don't base their entire identities and live their entire lives just to fulfill their sexual fantasienot when doing so means losing friends, being discriminated against, losing out on work opportunities, and putting themselves at risk for being violently attacked. if someone is willing to brave it out through all of that simply for a sexual fetish, i dunno what to say. they're mad.
Kek, yes they do, don't be naive, whenever you have big concentrations of people living a bad quality of life this sort of life-paths are everywhere, apocalyptic thirld-world life is all about burning out as quickly and as flashy as possible
>>5628429 >you also seemed to assert here >that the only trans people who don't experience AGP are non-passing hons. i was trolling there, was gonna play the old "passable mtfs are a myth" but you steered me out of it and i couldn't go back
>>5628446 okay well look. some people might wanna live their fetish out but it's just, i'm scared of being associated with those people because i don't wanna go out in public and have everyone assume i'm getting off at how i'm presenting when i'm not.
apart from that we seem to have like... ironed out the misunderstandings so let's just leave poor OP's thread alone lol
>>5628462 I get it, but some people will always see you as that, you better be real and accept that other people may be thinking of you the most obscure and degenerate thoughts, cause you literally can't force them not to
But remain lawful and you have the law's arm to hit back for you
>>5628449 People who don't live in 1st world countries normally do until they get married
>>5628129 >that the notion that transwomen are AGP fetishists will gain mainstream traction and make everyone think i'm fulltiming some degenerate, misogynistic penchant. You mean you aren't subjecting the public, your family and friends to your sexual fetish while calling everyone a "bigot" and "transphobic" if they object?
>>5630278 It'd be fine if they admitted that they're actually embracing their sexuality, like flamboyant gays, butch women, etc, but no, it's much too embarrasing to admit you're a sissy, OR that you see yourself as a woman during sex. Nature dicates how an individual needs to look to embrace their sexuality folks. This is nothing new.
>>5628478 The fun part is that I live in a non-1st world country so I know that. Its just that I dont want live in a place were I have minimal freedom and none of my opinions nor choices are going to be respected.
>>5631620 These are actually pretty legitimate fears. What if I really am living a life of selfishness, and somewhere out there in this universe that makes no sense at all, there is a dicine being and his/her/its ppan was to throw me this life of lust and intense desires just to see how strong I was in my faith.
>>5631670 It could be worse. Of course you're only aware of your own consciousness, so your seemingly miniscule issues may seem like the world to you. Being a member of a serious minority is already taxing enough. I've always wondered if there really was a meaning to life, besides living in pursuit of my own desires, but I digress.
1. That I'm going to end up a hon 2. That not only am I going to end up a hon, but that a year after my transition a magical cure for gender dysphoria will be invented that will make the entirety of my transition a waste of time
>>5634022 ... :( yeah i went to hospital once and before the procedure they stuck and IV line in me "just in case". i had to go straight to the recovery ward for an hour before entering the theater, it was that bad.
>a magical cure for depression selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors...
except it's not that simple. the safety and efficacy of these drugs is tenuous to say the least. there is far more clinical data available to suggest that physical transition alleviates dysphoria (and that putting it off only worsens a person's situation), than there is for such a novel treatment amounting to what is effectively chemically induced repression.
>my crush/best friend seeing my genitals i've seen her completely naked. i really don't want her to see me as a girl. even though i'm girl mode she has called me her (platonic) boyfriend, and i know if she saw me naked the illusion would be completely shattered.
>>5639381 i'm afraid of both ascending and descending spiral staircases. the old stone ones, with a tight turn, no windows just slots for bolts and arrows, steep, and no way to see where the staircase begins or ends. and you wonder if you slip, for how long you will fall.
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