What makes a person transgender? How would one know if they are trans?

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>>5625713

>What makes a person transgender?

Sissy cocksuck hypnosis desu.

>>5625713

>I know I'm the wrong gender because I've been the other gender before and this is how it feels

Idk senpai same way they know if they're gender fluid or bigender or agender, they read a description of it like you would your horoscope and said "YEP THATS ME OMG IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE, SO THATS WHY I HAVE A VOID IN MY SOUL"

As it turns out, it doesn't fill the void and you'll be miserable regardless of whether you prefer pink or blue.

>>5625713
> What makes a person transgender?

Something fucks up in utero, and their brain doesn't get masculinized (MtF), or masculinizes when it shouldn't (FtM).

> How would one know if they are trans?

If you go through puberty, and feel like shit because of all the things puberty does to your body, and wish you could have gone through the opposite sex's puberty, that's a pretty good sign.

Gender dysphoria, basically.

>>5625713
In my case, it was the whole "being completely terrified and repulsed by the masculine characteristics that puberty was bestowing upon me" thing. And also the whole being jealous of the feminine features that girls my age were getting.

Being submissive is probably a part of it, but it is almost entirely a physical thing for me.

Feeling a disconnect between yourself and your sex characteristics is how it's been explained to me. Doesn't have to be a disgust or hatred for them, necessarily, although it can lead to that.

>>5627270
It's more like it develops into that. People have differing thresholds of how they tolerate dysphoria, and when that threshold is breached, they begin to feel much worse than they may have initially.

I don't like the word "disconnect", because I think a lot of cis people feel disconnected from their gender. After all, they don't ever really have to give a shit about it, so they can get away with being as apathetic as they want.

>>5627253
what if you didn't feel anything until age aside from an occasional crossdressing fetish, and then began to question whether you wanted to be a woman and disgust with being male started tumbling in until you began to see no hope in a future of being a normal man?

>>5627279
age 20*

>>5627279
I dunno. Why are you disgusted with being male anon? Male or female... both sexes can be great.

>>5627279
Basically that. Mind, I was depressed during my earlier teen years, and when I realized I was trans, that's when the dysphoria really started to kick in. I think when I found a word for what I felt, everything got so much worse, because I realized how impossible being happy seemed, and how jealous of cis woman I really was.

To elaborate on the threshold thing, I seriously doubt any 10 year old trans person feels dysphoria, perhaps beyond being kinda unhappy with their genitals or inability to socialize on the same level with the opposite sex. But as they go through puberty, things are just gonna get shittier from there. And once they realize the source of their shitty feelings, the feelings get even shittier. It's why dysphoria is hard to identify until it's almost too late.

Also, lots of cis women really hate their bodies. Like, they complain about having breasts (because guys ogle them, and because they can be cumbersome/cause back pain) and a vagina (because periods suck). So there's a tendency to naturally disassociate from their sex there. But they aren't transgender. Hell, I've seen fucking TERFs claiming that 1) This is what dysphoria is, and 2) As a result, trans people aren't real, shouldn't transition, and should learn to love their bodies for what they are, rather than giving into the pressures from society to look a certain way.

>>5627294
Not them, but you don't choose to be disgusted, it sort of just happens. If being trans is a brain thing (all signs point to this), then it's innate and impossible to change. Both sexes can be great, if you're born properly as one of them, and comfortable as it. But transgender people have this innate discomfort with their sex, and cannot live a normal or life in it.

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>>5625713
Saying Im transgender makes someone transgender.

You have to have gender dysphoria to be a transexual which 99.9999999999999999999% transgender people do not.

Transgender people are just white people who are socially retarded and have nothing better to do with their team except prance around like a fucking faggot begging for attention.

>>5627301
>Not them, but you don't choose to be disgusted, it sort of just happens. If being trans is a brain thing (all signs point to this), then it's innate and impossible to change. Both sexes can be great, if you're born properly as one of them, and comfortable as it. But transgender people have this innate discomfort with their sex, and cannot live a normal or life in it.

Yeah, you don't have to tell me. I've been full time for a number of years now. I'm asking why that anon, specifically, feels disgusted with their birth sex.

>>5625713

body dysphoria
includes phantom feelings, like an ftm feeling like they have a dick or an mtf feeling like their hips are wider and they have boobs

kind of like when you're an amputee and you can still feel your lost limbs

probably has something to do with brain wiring or w/e

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>>5627315
Yeah, lots of cisgender people decided to come along and steal the word transgender from actual transgender in the mid 90's.

Now, through the magic of tumblr and "QUEER" circles, the school of thought that you choose to be trans, that trans is an umbrella, that gender is all about gender roles, and that dysphoria is caused by the way you're treated socially (i.e. women being given shit) is the majority opinion. Even my best psychiatrists have mentioned that transgender is an "umbrella" term.

So now, you have lots of feminine-acting men and masculine-acting women, drag queens, intersex people who don't want to be labeled transgender in the first place, and ~genderqueer~, ~demigender~, ~bigender~, ~trigender~ and ~pangender people calling themselves trans.

Fucking Wikipedia agrees with them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender

Just, no. Transgender and transsexual should be synonymous terms.

>>5627294
>>5627294
theres no reason anon. I just look at the physical features on me that are male and feel disgust and/or loss of motivation. when people regard me as male, or I can tell they are treating me different than any female, I get feelings of hurt and unreality. that kind of horror tinged feeling you might get in a very strange or nightmarish dream. sometimes I get jealous of women. sometimes I feel anger because of the hopelessness and pathetic nature of those feelings.
none of this happened before 20.

all of the above has been happening less as I've progressed in transition but its still a major theme of my life.

>>5625713
People always treated me like a female, even if I didn't look like it one bit, they just picked up on my behaviour and I actually ended up in a girls group in school while I was kinda trying to be a guy even.
Every time someone hinted at my feminine side I'd be happy, every time I imagined myself doing literally anything, I was female too. Ever since I got my first erections I felt so alienated by that thing and that feeling never went away. Strikes me more as a mutation than a body part of mine.
When guys would get protective of me I felt like I accomplished something, oddly enough.

And all this stuff happened before I knew it'd be possible to transition or that sissy porn is a thing. I still haven't watched anything remotely like that and it's a pretty retarded meme.

So what made me trans? Hell, I have no clue. I could associate with girls far better as early as in elementary school when everyone else was still like "eww I don't play with you, you're a girl"
Later on, flirting with girls came kinda naturally to me but the sex was unbearable, having to use what I got. And that time when I started to try to man up to avoid all the ridicule a feminine young adult gets is also when it's all went down the drain, I only got more miserable so thats when I started looking into what would happen if I swap my hormones around and that was the first time I ever heard of transsexuality.

But anyhow, that's just me. And I refuse to identify as transgender, because it's a total bogus word that implies you transition on a nonbinary scale. You may be nonbinary in your head, but your body (sex) is either or and the only part of you that can possibly transition.

>>5627335
Hey that's how gay people feel about bisexuals
and how black people feel about white passing black people

It's like, your life doesn't suck quite as much as mine, so fuck you.

>>5627343
Oh I see.

Sometimes you see people wanting to transition over stuff not related to dysphoria. Dysphoria is the only legitimate reason to transition, as far as I believe.

>>5627335
So much this.
Except
>Transgender and transsexual shouldn't be synonymous terms.
I think you made a typo.

>>5627360
well I guess so

I thought I might be vain because I wanted to be an 8/10 trans girl when some poll asked whether you want that or to be a 2/10 cis girl

but then I realized if I had the choice between being a 10/10 man, even a feminine man, and a 2/10 cis woman I'd go with woman in a heartbeat

>>5627355
No, a better comparison would be how lesbians feel about political lesbians (read: not lesbians).

>>5627362
What I meant was, ideally the word transgender would mean the same thing that transsexual does, so the general public doesn't get confused, and assume we're following through on a lifestyle choice. I mean, I get the impression most people hear the part "trans" and just assume.

But for the time being, yeah, transgender and transsexual should definitely be treated as totally different things.

>>5625713
How do you know you're straight (or gay)? In reality, maybe you're something else, you can't know.

>>5627324
Don't listen to this weirdo, those things don't happen.
Just histrionic girls wanting to be ftm.

>>5627362
Maybe anon means they should be synonymous because, if that were the case, all those non-transitioning people wouldn't be correct to label themselves as trans.

>>5627367
Yeah, nothing wrong with vanity. Being an 8/10 trans girl is great - sure you can't bear children and you have a couple extra chores to take care of, but not having periods and being attractive do a lot more for your happiness than being cis.

>>5627375
>>5627370
>What I meant was, ideally the word transgender would mean the same thing that transsexual does, so the general public doesn't get confused, and assume we're following through on a lifestyle choice. I mean, I get the impression most people hear the part "trans" and just assume.
>But for the time being, yeah, transgender and transsexual should definitely be treated as totally different things.
Ah, fair enough. Yeah I always thought transgender as terminology direly needs a rebranding.

Idk.

I think I'm transgender but then I don't, that being a tranny is just an excuse I made up.

I mean I just have never really understood how people can want to do things in life. I don't really have friends, I don't like being around people, especially men/women my age. Men my age remind me of what a faggot I am that I can't be normal, and women my age make me extremely jealous of them.
I also don't have hobbies or interests. The closest thing to a hobby that I have is engaging in escapism, through reading, daydreaming, anime, etc.
I just feel like an automaton with no purpose, which I know isn't normal because other people aren't like that.

>>5627534
Well, that's depression.
In all the psychiatric care I had, the only thing that helped was getting locked up in the secure ward, because there I was forced to be amongst others and luckily I got along with two of them. Idk, maybe just turn yourself in to the psychiatric ward and see if that helps if you got no other means to meet people.

>>5627552
I sort of figured by why would I be depressed?


The only thing I can think of is because I'm not a girl. Other than that my life should be fine except I can't stand it.

>>5627556
Can be anything really, and you should leave it to a psychotherapist to try and dig that up.
Considering all the therapists I had were pretty dogshit, some shrooms or LSD might be an alternative I guess.

>>5627566
I can't think of what a therapist would ever do that would be helpful.

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>>5625713

>>5627243

>Start taking hormones
>Feel better? You're probably trans
>Stop taking hormones
>Feel worse? You're definitely trans

Don't pretend it's completely untestable.

>>5627276

How about estranged or alienated instead of disconnect?

>>5627262
>"being completely terrified and repulsed by the masculine characteristics that puberty was bestowing upon me"

I think that applies to most teenagers in general.

>>5627958
>>Start taking hormones
>>Feel better? You're probably trans
If you're questioning, hormones will very likely make you feel better, but that doesn't at all mean you're trans.

It's pretty easy to realize you're trans when you really are. I'm not good with words though so I can't explain.

>>5627998

Saying "probably" already admitted the possibility of the person not being trans. But do you really think that out of the people that question their gender far enough to start hormones, that those who are not really trans outnumber those who are? I don't think that's true, which is why I went with "probably" over "might be."

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>>5627932
>Chris-Chan

>>5628018
I have no idea how people can be questioning in the first place and I'm seeing so many who hardly seem to transition just because they think it solves their problems. I really don't know whats going on in people's heads if they come here to ask whether they're trans. That just seems immature, and I don't give immature people much credibility.

>>5627992

Lol top laff m8

>>5630817
>I'm seeing so many who seem to transition just because they think it solves their problems
typo.

>>5625713
>from a young age I knew I wanted to be a girl
>I never denied it growing up, but though this isn't what other people think so I hid it and normally if someone said I was girly I said nothing
>Didn't know what trans was until 14
>I realized that I was more girl than guy
>At 16 I thought it was a good time to focus on it so I let all the repressed feelings flow in
>Told everyone and they were all cool with it and some already were suspicious
>I am pretty strong emotionally so I dealing with dysphoria isn't as bad as dealing with my mom's death
>But still developed a mild depression
>already went to a therapist
>told me that I was going through mild depression (because I didn't know what depression felt like) and that it was normal
>doing okay so far

>>5627932

They're all pretty gross desu, couldn't you have picked some better ones?

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>>5627932

The actress who played Wendy from Breaking Bad isn't a man, she's just a normal woman who wore makeup to look like a homeless prostitute.

It's pretty simple. Are you a girl in your sexual fantasies? If so, yes, you're probably transexual. Nature has apparently designed it so that we each have an obligation to outwardly represent our sexuality, whether we know it or not. Sexuality is a big part of the human identity. Don't worry though, there are tons of guys who crossdress and see themselves as women sexually. Give it 20 years, sissies and other types of trans-women will come out of the closet as it becomes a lottle more accepted. Mother nature is a complex and sometimes sucky thing.

>>5630969
thats the point...

>>5630934
I just picked ones that looked normal off okc.
Theres two super models in there so if thats not good enough I dont know what you want.

Left side needs caitlyn jenner.