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That soul crushing feel when no masc twunk hunk bf to bully you edi

Welcome to /femgen/.

This is a place where us girly and qt boys can come and chat about the issues that really matter, such as looking cute, building your self esteem and confidence, finding a qt bf, listening to music, calling each other shit for having different taste, and other crap.

If you think you could make it as a qt3.14 boy, or already are one, come and join in!

Here are some useful links to help you get started:
http://pastebin.com/NjzPGksR

Here is a map of where your fellow posters are in the world, please add to it!
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=793617

Lastly, if you feel like chatting with a femboy, try putting in the tag "/femgen/" on omegle or going to irc.rizon.net at #femgen.
http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23femgen&server=rizon.mibbit.org

Or you can post your Skype, and someone from the /femgen/ Skype group will add you
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OP with a question here,
What do you guys work in currently?
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>>5620610
fug

there's a qtpi close to me but he didn't post info
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>>5620641
Software. Currently backend (heh) web development; trying to get into computational statistics/data science.
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>>5620641
Retail.
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>>5620641
Biomed institute, tricked all the professors into thinking I was a boy genius, so they all lobbied.

The gag is I'm really utterly inept, lazy and don't know what the fuck I'm doing. Wonder how long it will take everyone to find out.
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>>5620641
Student, dad's gonna set me up with one of his friends "putting computers together." Whatever that means
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>>5620641
finance :3
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>>5620641
>What do you guys work in currently?
Resident doctor, though it took a toll on my body.
The lack of sleep ruined my skin, the fractures reduction gave me muscles.
And since I have a long hair, doing CPR means I have to put it back.
But I walk a lot which gave a nice tight ass.
But because of this I'm hungry all of the time and end up eating junk food.
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first for skittles
http://strawpoll.me/6663511

>>5620641
science student
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>>5623208
What?
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>>5623513
I think he meant next to the knuckle of your index finger? It does make it look slightly elongated (maybe he was talking about something else though).
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>>5623512
>mfw I think I coined the term 'tranny treats'
>>5620641
Entertainment industry (not porn...)
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>>5623512
>fem&ms
fug
that makes them sound enticing
it's like the fancy names they give different strains of drugs to make them sound like kids sweets
must... not... get... sucked... in...
lol
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Friendly reminder that the vast majority of posters ITT are actually closeted/repressed mtfs.
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>>5623740
I'll stop calling myself a femboy when I pass a girl, seems simple enough to me. Plus boys love is the purest.
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>>5623740
I'm not a tranny
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>>5623740
I was reverse repressed. I transitioned at 18 and then realized at 24 that I'll never look totally cis and I'd rather be androgynous yaoiboi than be an ugly woman. I still take hrt, but I put a lot less pressure on myself to try to trans properly and just let people gender me however. I still mostly pass, but the self hatred is much more subdued.
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>>5623740
Girls are gross.
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How do I get a flat fem belly when I sit without getting totally ripped? I'm tired of looking fat despite being only 130 :/
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>>5624139
for most folks HRT redistributes fat from the stomach/back to the butt and thighs starting somewhere around 6 months to 2 years in
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>>5624028
sounds more to me like you're mtf but couldn't stick transition so you're settling for compromise desu
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H-hi
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>>5624204
Maybe. But I also don't believe in innate gender identity in the same way most trans people do. I think people will generally try to make themselves fit their ideal image. But you can't change everything, so part of it is self realization, part of it is making peace with reality. I was born male, that will always be a part of me. So to me it only makes sense to consider myself male.
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>>5624204
I think that's a good thing though, it's certainly my plan if I can't quite hack it. This way the trannies that pass don't have me wrecking things, I can live a normalish life and still be feminine. Everybody wins.
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>>5623513
>>5623637
Yes. Pull your thumb inward towards your palm. What else could I have meant?
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>be super fem 5'8" 125# boi
>mom and stepdad ask when I'm going to get a gf
>though that i was obvsiously gay
>tell them never and that I'm gay
>they act suprised
>ask me when I will like girls again
>never
>they kick me out
>call older sister who is away at college and tell her
>she knew for a while and sets me up with her long time friend "S" who lives in my city with her bf "J"
>1 bedroom so I sleep on the couch
>"S" and "J" have very different work scheduals, frequently at home with J w/out S around
>J is moderatly cute and fit
>J starts to flirt with me a bit, the kinda joking flirting some straight guys do to each other
>he walks around me only in his underwhear
>flirting progresses heavily, I still can't tell if he's joking or not
>be virgin and really just want to get fucked
>ask S about J
>she tells me he's not bi and to not have sex with him because he's her bf and that she wouldn't want me to live with them anymore if I had sex with him
>very next day J asks me if I want to cuddle in bed with him
>tell him that S doesn't want us doing anything
>he says S won't know
>get nervous and say no

Kill me please, I just want to lose my virginity and be loved
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>>5624870
That's fucked, I think you should try talking to your sister about it. She should know that her bf is putting you in a difficult situation like that. Sounds scummy as hell running around behind her back.

Worst case scenario is they settle it amongst themselves and possibly break up.
Best case scenario is they open their relationship and J fucks both of you.
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>>5624870
homewrecker detected
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>>5620641
Government. Secretary.

I want to be chased around a desk, but we only have cubicles attached to walls ;_;
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how do i deal with crushing insecurity about how my face looks
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>>5625954
start caring when other people start caring

i.e. never
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>>5626051
but... what about my bf...
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>facial stubble getting worse and worse with every shave
Should I just go for the lasers already? This shit is killing me.
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>>5626317
tittle skittles senpai
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>>5626347
but I'm okay with being male desu
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>>5626362
i am too! i just take hormones so i can be the cutest male :3
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>>5626366
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>>5626347
Will fem&ms ever reduce my facial/body hair to 0 or do I need electrolysis? It's my biggest gripe with my body really, I hate all this hair on me. I started at 19, it's just kind of thinned out over the course of 6 months.
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>>5620641
Dishwashing B^)
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I just think I'm too skinny to actually be that appealing. I'm like flat, thin, Asian girl level skinny. Like those ones you see on stage in Japan shaking their ass when there's literally nothing there lol.
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How do I get a good haircut?

How am I even supposed to know what would look good?

I have no idea how to interact with a barber.

Should I post myself so you can give me advice?

I have a boyfriend and we'll be meeting each other in a couple months hopefully (we met online) and I want to be as cute as possible. But I don't think I'm very attractive. Anyone know this feeling?
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>>5626519
>the year that it is currently
>not liking sticks
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>>5626525
Looking for a barber is your first problem. Go to a salon where you'll find actual hair stylists.
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>>5626525
You could ask the hairdresser for advice
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>>5626456
it'll eventually thin out/lighten/slow the growth of your body hair to a relatively female level, not so much with your facial hair though
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What do femboys think of balding,shaved head and wigs?
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>>5626531
Is there actually a demand for sticks? I figured most guys liked curves.
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>>5626536
>>5626537
I guess I just, like, go on Yelp and search for highly rated salons?

My entire life I've been too lazy to figure out how to have a non-shitty haircut.

I feel like if they showed me a couple options (like in a book of haircut styles or whatever) I'd be super indecisive and they'd get annoyed at me for taking up so much time.
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>>5626554
I love costanza.
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>>5626555
I like 'em.
I'd also fuck just about anything with a pulse, but still.
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>>5626569
You should already know what haircut you want by the time you walk in. If you're not sure, schedule a consultation first, and then decide what to do.
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>>5626645
Okay... hopefully it goes well. I have generic black straight Asian male hair so hopefully I can find people who know what sort of hairstyle will look good.
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>>5626456
Couple with lazers wipes them out good
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>>5623740
nah, just a deluded straight male fetishist here
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>>5626525
>tfw have the hair for a really feminine cut but not the balls
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>>5625011
This, suggest polyamory, it's definitely worth a try rather than everybody splitting up and being miserable.
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>>5625954
Dr Bart Van De Ven should be able to help
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>>5626362
but skittles will make you a better, cuter male??
there is NOTHING wrong with being a cute boy with tits, anon
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>>5626456
need laser for facial hair- search for a place that uses the Soprano XL laser, more $$$ but it's more effective, even on dark-blonde hair, and also pain-free. Body hair should turn into female body hair by 2 years in.
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>>5626554
I think HRT
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A lot of the ftms I've met get pretty macho for passing purposes. Is it still ok to want to be a qt? Like I'm ftm, definitely have dysphoria bs, but I'd still be stoked as shit to fall into a legit cute boy in a dress type category.
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>>5627219
My ex was a lot like that. Of course you can, but it's kinda cheating for femboy
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hey guys
exercises for better boyboobs >>5627981
don't wanna end up with tranny cone tits do we? lol
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>>5627219
ngl that's cute af senpai, I wish I could be a qt ftm femboy in a dress
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>>5628054
you are already a tranny you fucking freak
now fuck off out of here
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>>5628054
Pf i play with my tits all the time you dont need to tell me
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>>5628058
>2016
>not taking hrt
it's like you WANT to go bald and get a huge ribcage and a square face and rougher, manlier skin as you get older, jesus man, it's literally the only solution
and if you're gonna possibly grow tits as a side effect then you'd want them to at least look good, right?
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http://strawpoll.me/6671388/
http://strawpoll.me/6671388/
http://strawpoll.me/6671388/
http://strawpoll.me/6671388/
http://strawpoll.me/6671388/
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>get laser on facial hair
>girl in class notices my smooth face
>she asks how I got it that way
>tell her I tweezed my entire face and doesn't hurt
>next day
>she's wearing a hoodie
>her face is all red
>she tells me it didn't work and was painful
>laugh at her and push her books off her desk
>everyone in class sees her face while she picks them up
fucking whore
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>>5628270
I just keep a pair of tweezers at my desk and idly pull out some hair every now and then while I'm reading or whatever, and that's good enough to keep my face perfectly smooth. But I'm Asian, so I only need to do that for my upper lip area. It must suck for people to actually get lots of inflammation on their face from just pulling out hair -- I don't get any long-lasting redness at all.
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ayy three months on hormones and people are starting to tell me I look younger than usual
also I swear a couple of people have noticed my booblets but it feels so good to squeeze them and play with them I don't even care
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>>5628270
The great thing about being a femboy on HRT is that in our attempt to look more fem, we end up looking better than some cis women.
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I don't want to actually fully go on hormones and transition, but is it worth trying a small amount of pueraria mirifica just to look more feminine?
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>>5628778
It is worth trying a small amount of proper female hormones, not this asian placebo bullshit.
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>>5626569
Read /fa/ sticky and try to get a sense of what you're trying to accomplish. Also, you don't need to be uncomfortable when you're the customer. It's literally their job to help you.
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>>5629055
>/fa/ sticky
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>>5628778
it's all bullshit, HRT is the only way
just 'cause you take the pills don't mean you have to wear dresses and change your name or cut your dick off or whatever, just be a cute boy with boobs
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>wear bulkiest sweatshirt i know to go to the store
>roundness still visible on my chest
whyyyy ;_;
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>>5627219
I don't see why not. Being effeminate and looking feminine aren't the same thing as wanting to be a woman
>>5627231
>cheat to win
Does it really matter when half of us are taking estrogen?
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>>5629604
Wear an undershirt and don't put weight on
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>>5629604
Buy a gyno vest/'under armor'. Not tight enough to bind super tight, and only wear it when you need to.
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>>5629604
honestly after they reach a certain point you're better off just taking a fake-it-til-you-make-it attitude and rocking them. not many cute boys get to have boobs, normally it's just disgusting fat slobs. you get to have cute boobs as well as being generally qt, it's a privilege. be cute. be weird. anger, confuse and arouse people. be proud.
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I keep having dreams that I end up looking like the femboy I want to be, but never that I become a girl.

Usually my dreams don't spare my inhibitions. Does that mean I'm def not trans? I think I really do enjoy my masculinity.
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What is HRT exactly?(sorry I'm new here, I imagine it's a pill or something) If it can make me look a little more feminine I may give it a try. But I don't want to actually fully transition really. But I wouldn't mind some super small boobs, or just more sensitive nipples. That would be pretty dope.
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>>5632426
There's a number of things people take as HRT from what I know. Usually in pill form cause of convenience. You can take like T-blockers, estrogen supplements, progesterone, but I'd talk to a real doctor and not some anon on 4chin if you're actually taking any drug.

People use spiro, right?
http://www.alldaychemist.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Spironolactone
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So is "cute boy with boobs" the new meme?
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>>5632626
>too ugly to ever get guys like the bottom
end it all now
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>>5632426
>>5632426
>>>/mtfg/
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>>5632426
Hormone replacement therapy
It's what mtfs use but has become super popular among femboys because it stops you from getting any more masculine as you get older. However, there are also things that could be considered 'cons' to us who don't want to fully transition.

Pros
-better ageing
-soft squishable girl skin (probably my fave part imo)
-sensitive nipples (some can cum just from having their nipples sucked/played with)
-female-like orgasms
-fat redistribution to butt and thighs instead of stomach and upper back
-girlier face
-body hair changes to female body hair; blonder, thinner, less visible
-mood changes; if you're scared of being masculine then it'll make you feel good mentally; this is not just a result of the physical changes, it changes your brain too
-more emotionally expressive
-get flustered over hot boys, feels electric

Cons
-you may end up with proper girl-sized boobs (though this is unlikely if you start at 25+ years old)
-need to avoid potassium-high foods like bananas if you use spironolactone, which is what you will have to use if you're in the USA
-doesn't affect facial hair so you will still need to laser/shave
-causes mood swings like teenage girls have
-cannot smoke or drink, it will fuck you up (though vaping seems to be no problem in my experience)
-will cause infertility after a few months to a year, so bank sperm if you want kids later on
-does not change bone so if you have a manly skull/skeleton then it won't change those and you might just end up looking weird like a failed tranny

if you do want to take it, try alldaychemist for the USA and qhi.co.uk for Europe

I take 100mg spironolactone, 2mg progynova every 12 hours. That means two different types of pill- spiro blocks testosterone production, progy adds estrogen in its place. The reason you can't just take spiro on its own is that without any hormone in your body you'll get depression and brittle bones over time.

Do more research first, but that's a little primer.
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>>5633167
>tfw been playing with my boobs in bed in all morning
pfft it's a pro, not a con, silly anon
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I can't tell if this thread is real or not. It reads like trolls trolling trolls.

Particularly since OP's stick says don't do hormones and everyone in the thread seems to be doing them.
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>20 year old
>125 pounds sub
>face is still ugly as shit, grow a small beard to hide it
Tfw
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>>5633170
I dont think its a pro. At first it was nice but then i had to start wearing hoodies 24/7, and then big sweaters that i was too small for, and now i have to wear a tight gyno tank top under whatever just to make them passably small. Not to mention if anyone touches my chest it's full panic and either pain or a boner depending on the touch bc of sensitivity
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>>5633340
How long have you been on them? What are you on exactly? Spiro and prog?
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>>5633344
You guessed it. It's been 7 months. They're not biiig but for a boy they're rounded and perky so it's kind of a giveaway if they poke through at all
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But you agree with the other pros? >>5633167

I'm considering it as well. How "girly" do you think you've become though, compared to just "fem"? From your starting point anyway.
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>>5633340
lol I have almost-B-cups and as far as I'm concerned it's fugging great
guess it's a preference that varies from person to person
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>>5633340
Honestly, at least from just this post, it sounds less like you dislike the boobs and more like you dislike/are scared of how other people react to them. It's a reasonable fear but er yeah
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>>5633363
Theyre not magic. I dont know what to tell you, i see a big difference in my face and body, and i feel a lot better about myself. If i were a tranny i could probably pass, but i keep my hair semi short and present pretty masculine.

I havent experienced mood swings and changes in emotions i dont think. Maybe a little but i thought i mellowed out on them
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>>5633380
>I dont know what to tell you
Fair enough. You've told me about as much as I wanted to know. Thanks for letting me pick your brain a bit.
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>>5633380
Any thoughts on just taking a little bit of spiro each day?
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>>5633383
No problem. Good luck :)
>>5633375
Yeah kinda. I dont mind having little tits its just theyre so hard to hide
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>>5633387
Wouldnt know, anon. I hear it's a bad idea, since getting rid of your hormones can cause depression and osteoporosis etc
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>>5633387
this >>5633390
bad idea, otherwise everyone here would be doing it
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>>5633387
I was thinking the same thing for a while, but I'm starting to see the general consensus here seems to be speaking the truth: you can't just get rid of some hormones without replacing them. I've heard of mtf's going through hot flashes doing that. That sounds awful and you'll probably feel like shit.

I've also heard of people doing it solely for acne and being tired all time and being in a brain fog.

Just chiming in on other side effects of heard of doing solely spiro.

The worst implication to me from taking both is inevitable, assured sterility. I don't want kids but the idea of losing a bodily function permanently is scary.
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>>5633428
I'll try spearmint + saw palmetto and see how it goes -- a moderate amount of those anti androgens won't be as strong as spironolactone I hope.

I don't really mind sterility. Give it 50 years and we won't even need sperm anyway.
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>>5623506
Ever been hit in the face with your stethoscope?

I usually take the airway... mainly because of that.
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>>5620641
Casino shit senpai.
Also add me to the group.
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>>5633167
>female-like orgasms
Wut?
>body hair changes to female body hair; blonder, thinner, less visible
Not much
>mood changes
Some experience depression though.
>need to avoid potassium-high foods like bananas if you use spironolactone
True, if you have a kidney problems.
up to 400mg is safe, with normal functioning kidney.
>does not change bone
About that, it depends on when do you start taking it.
>100mg spironolactone
Twice per day?
How many do you go to pee?
>The reason you can't just take spiro on its own is that without any hormone in your body you'll get depression and brittle bones over time.
Not as much as you think.
Male body produce estrogen which is enough to maintain bones.
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>>5633745
>Ever been hit in the face with your stethoscope?
When doing CPR?
No, but it falls every time.
But because my hair length is long in an odd way my hair ends up all over my face like pic.
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>>5633956
A friend of mine actually described me looking like that pic while doing the airway a couple of weeks ago.

One of the consultants recently sent out a mass email essentially telling all the male doctors to get a haircut. Pretty sure he was talking about me.

Feels good, man.
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>>5633242
thread is half full of non-passing rejects from mtf and the other half is trans denialists.

this thread would be dead if it weren't for people pushing hormones, which isn't what should be happening here.
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>>5634075
Look, fact is that 8ch cuteboys is basically an entire board for femboys and chasers of such. It's a better place than here. Plus the ratio of fem&m munchers to nattys is reversed there. I'm saying that as a "wait and see" sort of femboy as far as hormones go, if I pass as female I'll be a female if not I'll just be a femme twink with gyno. Not worth worrying over, all I do is dispense information related to boys wanting to be more feminine.
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>>5634075
Don't be an idot. I'm a guy and don't want to be a woman or act like Aab obnoxious hen. Meds to keep looks same don't change that.
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>>5634101
>I shove hrt down newcomer's throats
>b-but it's all I do!
>if you don't like the way I derail the thread you can go somewhere else!

meanwhile, the sticky meant to set the actual theme of this thread mentions grooming, styling, exercise and clothing products that would be much better advice than "spend 6 months in therapy until you can garble pills", at which point the real question newcomers should have is "am I trans", at which point they should be directed to mtfgen

which is where you should be, as it's where you belong. you can talk about your treatment with a bunch of people also going through the same thing without stepping on toes. that's -why- we have different threads.
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>>5634128
Oh no, I don't think I've recommended hrt to anybody here. I meant stuff like skin and hair care. Also /fit/ stuff which is super important. Mtfgen is pure garbage, relax I mostly just lurk here. I may have overstated my involvement.
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>>5634128
Uh, what sort of idiot would waste thousands of dollars in therapy? There multiple quick and easy ways to get them that waste far less money and cut out the need for lieing, or obnoxious therapists who want to turn you into an mtf.

Exercises, skin care and diets are obviously just as important, and I haven't been pushing pills either. All I've said is they're an amazingly easy way to cheat the not so nice stuff that happens to men and stay cute.

Not gonna apologize for pointing that out.
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>>5634028
Yeah, it hard to be femboy, when you're a doctor.
Nobody takes you seriously, consultants look at you with "what a fagot" look.
And hair gets in the way.
My bangs are long enough to reach my upper lip, but the top hair isn't long enough to put it in a ponytail nor is the back hair.
At least it doesn't spike like anime character anymore.
How do you style your hair?
I do like pic.
But my hair doesn't have the volume as pic and slightly shorter, and it have some "wave" near the terminal of the hair.
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>>5634191
>Uh, what sort of idiot would waste thousands of dollars in therapy? There multiple quick and easy ways to get them that waste far less money and cut out the need for lieing, or obnoxious therapists who want to turn you into an mtf.

Who needs to lie? It's therapy.

>>5634246
You mean it's hard for you to be professional, which is why no one takes you seriously. Tie it back or wear a stylized surgeon's cap.
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>>5634310
>surgeon's cap
Nobody wears this.
If you want to there is disposable head cover.
And it's not about professionality either.
It's just jobs stereotyping.
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>>5634398
It's entirely about being professional and you not getting to look how you want. Even women don't walk around with loose bangs or other flamboyant/impractical stylistic choices without getting sideways looks.

Welcome to being an adult in the workplace. Dress for the job.
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>take tranny treats
>cant really get off without playing with my tits anymore because my dick isn't that sensitive anymore
>already jerked off once today
>cant sleep
>decide to jerk off again to sleep
>physically cant reach orgasm

I know i could just use toys but it's the principle.
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>>5634310
>Who needs to lie? It's therapy.
Because the only way they are useful is through lies. The moment I show any honesty and tell a therapist that I 'identify' as a guy and only use HRT because I want my body to remain feminine, it'll be nothing but threats from them.

If I wouldn't recant become an mtf and act like some sick caricature, then he'd do everything in his power to take away my hrt and force my body to end up the way normal men's do.

Informed consent is preferable to lies and threats. No point in paying trash to strip you of your sense of self and bodily autonomy.
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>>5634450
So quite the femboy life ?
Is that what you suggest?
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>>5633433
+1 for SP. It's the only over-the-counter thing I've found that prevents acne for me. Benzoyl peroxide and salicylic acid did nothing.

I figure it's fairly safe, considering old men regularly take 6x the amount I do for prostate health.
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>>5634667
Hm. Maybe I should consider Saw Palmetto before spiro... I want to be feminine but maybe the boobs and infertility is too much. Could help my thin hair too (it's been "thin" my entire adult life and not getting thinner but hey, it could help)

On the other hand I don't get the girlier face and fat redistribution.

Maybe >>5633433 is right.
I see mixed explanations about how Saw Palmetto works. Some seem to say it raises test and others say it lowers it.
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>>5634904
Check the references section 4.14 of https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693613/. The references suggest it has similar effects as finasteride, i.e., it blocks dihydrotestosterone, not testosterone.

I've also seen stuff on the internet about it also acting as an antiestogen, but I haven't seen any evidence of that in medical papers.
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>>5634140
>Mtfgen is pure garbage
True. And they hate guys who take hrt and don't identify as girls. The culture is unnecessarily catty and really depressing to be around. I say this as someone who used to think they wanted to be a girl. The trans community is as terrible to itself as cis tranny haters, if not worse. I wouldn't want to be part of that.
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How to have thicker hair?
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>>5635112
Hair gel, creams, or sprays.
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>>5635112
be born with it
>tfw sister is always jealous of my nice thick hair
I won the genetic lottery on that one
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>>5627149

>This, suggest polyamory

Are you fucking 19?
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>>5636190
21 tbf
but I know plenty of people at various ages who have happy poly relationships, I live in a liberal city
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I kinda miss talking to sadfrog desu lads.
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>>5628270
>tfw can pluck my beard hairs out
guess I got lucky. shaving was complete bullshit
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>>5620641
computational neuroscience

so many neckbeards
no bfs anywhere
make my life end
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>>5637926
That's pretty cool, actually. What kind of stuff do you do?

>>5637883
That sounds horribly painful. I have a hard time even doing my eyebrows.
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>>5637953
replicating neural structures of the brain in the form of many nodal connections and then trying to train them to do tasks by repetition and training

which sounds cool but they really can only do very simple tasks and are very painstaking to create

i just wanted to feel smart
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>>5638003
Awesome! I'm working on a project with artificial neural networks right now too! I'm trying to train a network to recognize sequences of numbers in photographs.

Just curious, what's your academic background? Are you coming at it from the biology side or the math/CS side?
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>>5634506
why is your hormones attached to a SJW therapist?

>>5634561
no he is saying wear a cap or pin your hair back. female doctors do this
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>>5637953
it's really not that bad. it doesn't even really hurt anymore, and now it actually looks like I shaved instead of just having black shit right under the skin. plus it lasts longer and is incredibly satisfying
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>>5637953
Its not that bad personally I can clear most of my facial hair in about an hour or so if I have enough growth to grab onto. Plucking my upper lip makes me tear up a little, but the overall pain is pretty minimal. I do that about every 7-9 days. Ill get laser or electro eventually though.
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>>5638058
>>5638066
>>5638058
>having black shit right under the skin
Iktf. Maybe I'll try it sometime when I know I won't have to go anywhere for a few days. My facial hair is pretty dense though; seems like it would take forever to pluck it all.
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>over 6'
>straight
c-can I still post here?
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>>5638125
Sure, why not? If you're male and strive to look pretty/feminine, then you fit.
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femgen I need help

I've been on female hormones for a year, but I think I'm doing it for the wrong reasons. I think I took the trap fascination too far. I don't really have dysphoria so much as I have BDD. But sometimes I am dysphoric? My dream "setup" is to be a femboy that everyone perceives as a girl. Like on some Boku Girl shit (for those who've read it). I don't want people to believe me when I say I'm a boy.

My other thing is I don't think I'm gay (that is, interested in men) although I experimented when I was younger and it was enjoyable. But I've never been attracted to them. But I wish I was, as mentioned, perceived as a girl by everyone, and total femboy like, tiny, soft, etc. but dating a boy that would compliment it. My only thing is I don't find myself attracted to men really. And the only men I find myself ever attracted to are like...weeby femboys which may as well be girls. I can't ever really pass without makeup, which in turn just makes the thought near-impossible. I'd always be presenting female if I had to do anything like this. There's no in between. Should I stop everything and get to my "goal body" before seeing if I actually experience dysphoria? I don't know what to do any more.

My mind is racing right now with this self doubt so I definitely didn't cover everything I wanted to in this post, hopefully any questions will jog my memory.

Sorry for the wall of text I just need to get this off my chest. I don't know what to do with these hormones any more and I could really use some advice. I'll post this on mtfg as well.
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>>5638288
So just to clarify: You specifically don't want to be a girl that is perceived as a girl? Or do you not care what your gender is, as long as your look like a girl?
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>>5638315
Some days I'm like "damn I wish I was a girl" and then other days I'm like "damn I wish I was a femboy", to sum it up easily.

it's so fucking confusing and frustrating it changes on a pretty daily basis. A lot of this is stemming from the fact that I've been with a cis girl for a while though and the longer the hormones progress, the less attracted to vagina I am. But I still find women to be more attractive than men. But I'd never date a tranny? I don't know I don't know fuck this is so confusing
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>>5638329
Would it bother you if others treated you as if you were female? Female pronouns, gender roles, and such?
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>>5638337
No. But like I don't mind being a guy either? I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I'm actually straight up too lazy to learn voice training and makeup and stuff. Like I wish I could pass without makeup and like, a day of voice training.

Idk if this is making sense at all I'm sorry friend.
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>>5638344
Nah, it's fine. Just trying to get a feel for where you're coming from.

In the end, you should just do what makes you happy. If presenting female makes you happy, then just do it. Given that you've been on HRT for a year, it doesn't seem like a big deal to continue that. Most of the effects of it have already taken place by now.

Are you seeing a gender therapist, by the way?
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>>5638390
No, I'm on informed consent. It wasn't a totally uneducated decision though, I spent years trawling around many different online communities, speaking to many different people, and several doctors at the clinic I'm prescribed from. I've been on hormones for a year but didn't even consider all of these things til about 4 years ago.

I fear the worst in that my information was biased and I got half brainwashed into this though. Too many trannies telling me that I'm trans and need to stop repressing and start hormones before it's too late.
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>>5638400
Questions like the ones you're asking are exactly what gender therapists are for. If you have the money to spend on it, you should consider finding one. Clearly this is something that's bothering you, so I think it would be worth it.

... but don't use terms like 'femboy' and 'trap' when talking to them, though. Out of the context of 4chan, it just sounds weird.
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>tfw boy
>naturally high estro levels
>tfw natural little boobs
>tfw girly face & body
>:3
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>>5638440
>:3
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>>5638440
Post your girly face pls.
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>>5638425
No, I know. I had to speak with a gender therapist to even get the hormones, extensively. I just kind of said everything they wanted to hear so I could get them easily though.
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>>5638467
Wait, what? That's not informed consent.
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>>5620641
Unemployed
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>>5638470
The clinic I went to had me speak with a gender therapist before signing anything. Basically they were there as a "I'm here to ask you questions and make sure you're doing this for the right reasons, but either way I'm not really gonna say no to you so long as you know the effects of the drugs we're about to give you."
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>Be 18 year old boy
>Loves the male form and overall masculinity
>admire men greatly enough to want to give my body to them
>Like to crossdress but have no desire in becoming a woman
>See it as more of a fetish than a lifestyle
Also I don't want to end up looking like some disgusting freak.
>Play male characters in almost every video game because of the admiration
>Think it is my civic duty to be a femboy because of body structure
>Think flamboyant people are some of the most annoying people in the world
I'm sure they're good people, but Jesus Christ.
>Want a low-key boyfriend that just treats me as a bro in public
>Until nightfall when I dress up and the dude rails me
So, whats the verdict here? Do you guys think I'm a closeted mtf that is just in an inner conflict? I really have no desire at all in becoming a woman but every day i keep getting gayer and gayer so who knows.
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>>5638583
I'm this person >>5638288 and this sounds pretty similar to me, minus the admiration of the male body. I always played female characters and appreciate the female body much more.

but like I still wanna get railed by a dude

lmao

anyways, let's test your question out young lady
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>>5638583
>>5638594
[spoiler]if being called young lady felt nice and you feel like you would be happier as a woman then you're probably trans or at least on the spectrum of gender fluidity[/spoiler]
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>>5638594
And all of my characters in video games look like Greek gods lol. My lock screen is Aristotle because I think he is fucking gorgeous.

>>5638601
I see what you mean, I believe it is gender fluidity but honestly I don't want it to be something beyond closed doors. But young lady did make me feel nice lol.
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>>5638664
I don't come to femgen often, but if you have any questions or would like to discuss it further (doesn't have to be tonight, could be a month from now when another thought or question comes to mind) just post your skype and we'll talk. You and I share some similar traits here and I think discussing things could be beneficial.

Glad you enjoyed the pronoun switch though. Never feels as good as the first time so I'm glad I could give you that ^^
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>>5638052
>wear a cap or pin your hair back
Not him, but in many times it's not possible due to dress code.
I just pull it all back and use a lot of hair gel.
I work in finance, and have to wear a suit.
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>>5638669
yeah I wouldn't mind exchanging skypes sometime.
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>>5638066
You're lucky.
I tried plucking my facial hair only to discover that my facial hair is so embedded in my face that it takes off a bit of skin with it when I try to pluck it.
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>>5638678
Post it and I'll add ya ^^
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>>5638681
it's mochoman2678. If you can't tell its pretty ironic. But after I add you back I'm going to go to bed it's 5:00 where I am now lol
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>>5638688
I think I added ya. It's that time here too :x
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>>5638344
yeah...I feel this a lot.
kinda fucked
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>>5638679
Tbf my hair is both pretty sparse and pretty thin. What sucks is about half of it is almost blonde, meaning laser won't work and electro sucks.
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I've been thinking about going on HRT to make my body more softer fem etc. but I don't want to become a girl. I just wanna be a cute guy who gets railed by his chunky bf. Can I go on HRT for a period of time like a year and then stop or Do I always have to take it?
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>>5638730
E makes you fat and mentally retarded like a fem
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>>5638715
>blonde
you ARE lucky.
My skin is somewhat fair compared to other people around me, but my facial hair is very dark and think.
I think it's easier to try being manly than being girly for me.
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>>5638583
you're just gay
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>>5638730
you can go cold turkey at any time, but then there's a massive T spike and balding and stuff will try to make up for lost time
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>>5638829
Not him but I'm curious if he could not just ween himself off of it to prevent such a spike then? Reduce the spiro then reduce the e.
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>be in closet
>there's an openly gay guy who's mutual friends with some of my group
>he's not a flamer but he plays it up for comedy sometimes and seems pretty open about it
>he's a few years older than me and a bit more masculine but not really masc
>he compliments me and talks to my friends about me and flirts with me
>can't stop being a blushing giggling mess when he does
>He's going to give away the game
>He doesn't realize what he's doing
>mfw
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>>5639355
>>He doesn't realize what he's doing

he does
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>>5638288
>>5638329
>I don't really have dysphoria so much as I have BDD
Then that's pretty much like us then. You can take hormones, look fem and "identify" as a guy you know.

I mean looking feminine/being effeminate without wanting to be a girl.

The effects of meds are pretty awesome, so no reason you can't just be a boy who likes being in them. Screw everyone who says taking them makes you a tranny or that you have to be a tranny to get them.
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>>5639565
Butting in to pretty much agree with this. It's how I got my current boyfriend. It was just so cute to see him get flustered.
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>>5639565
>>5639606
fuck
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>>5639606
Do you have any idea how i can keep from getting rumbled? I'm not ready to come out yet and usually i just fake confidence but i'm not used to this
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mtf trans here, just curious if any femboys are attracted to trans people, or are you all gays??
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>>5639766
I want a trans gf to fuck my ass senpai do those exist?
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>>5639802
N-no.
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>>5639766
>Wanting to date fag boys who could potentially be mtf in denial
Why?
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>>5639802
>I want a trans gf to fuck my ass senpai do those exist?

[raises hand]

>>5640030
>>Wanting to date fag boys who could potentially be mtf in denial
>Why?

Because fags are cute and most strictly hetero men are boring or unattractive. Gay/bi guys are more likely to expend effort on looking good. Also I like the idea of having a qt boy to cuddle and be gay with.
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>tfw double crown
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>Before HRT
>Used to have no nipple sensitivity
>Thought having my nipples played with is weird

>After HRT
>Cum almost immediately with nipple stimulation
>Getting groped feels fucking amazing


I can't believe I thought having boy tits would be bad LMAO
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>>5641193
>literally taking HRT to grow boobs
>not a tranny

when will this femboy denial thing end??
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>>5641244
I specifically said boy tits

Boys with cute breasts are the best :)
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>>5641193
It was like that for the first three months or so for me, too; once they get too big they stop being so sensitive, it kind of sucks.
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>>5641271
Damn really

I guess I should use it while it lasts
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>>5641271
You weren't skinny enough. Mine never went past the puffy nipple state.
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>>5641256
This desu, they feel fucking amazing just to squeeze and stuff once they reach b-cup or above
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>>5641423
>>5641359
>>5641282
>>5641271
>>5641256
you are all literally effeminate people who are attracted to men and are taking HRT.
whether you want to call yourself femboys is up to. doesn't change the fact you are transitioning, which makes you trans.
just fucking grow up and admit it already.
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>>5641445
>being this anally ravaged over other peoples' life decisions that aren't hurting anyone

I'm >>5641423 and I'm exclusively attracted to females, I'm also not even that fem per se, I just take the pills 'cause I enjoy the effects, got laser too but I'm not about to kill myself over not having a vag or some shit and being called "she" doesn't feel right to me because I'm a GUY, I like having a dick but I wanna be qt
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>>5641445
(Actually I'm just plain trans, no denial about it.)
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この世界は破滅よ
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>>5641445
You're an idiot. I don't want to be a woman, I don't want obvious breasts or other woman stuff. I just want my body to be feminine, that's the way it's always been and the way it will always be.

Being effeminate and looking fem won't change that.
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>>5641658
>this world is...
I couldn't get the last part.
Fuck kanji
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>>5641445
You're confusing the want to be girl and with the want to look like a girl senpai
>>5641759
Ruined or doomed depending on a list of nonsense.
And fuckin kanji
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so since we've evolved past merely being "trannies in denial" to "trannies in denial taking hrt and wanting to get fucked by men",

what's the likely reaction when they see mini tits on a femboy? while it feels good...i don't think gays like it. maybe we can trap better though?
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>>5641830
Well obviously gays who are only interested in masc guys won't like boobs, there are gay or bi guys who like fem guys though.
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>>5641768
>You're confusing the want to be girl and with the want to look like a girl senpai

This. Also someone else in this thread mentioned BDD. But gender dysphoria =/= wanting to change sexes. It CAN mean that, but the DSM-V only requires that an individual experience persistent stress related to their social role and/or physical sexed characteristics. It doesn't actually require you to think that you're a woman/man. By this definition, a lot of guys in here have GD. Thats how I got my diagnosis and HRT scrip.
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>>5641888
>continued because I accidentally hit submit

You don't have to identify as anything you don't want to. Doctors might technically label you as trans-something. But theres no pressure to buy into the idea that you have to be a girl to want to be fem.
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Newfag to femgen chiming in. Someone help me plz. Incoming life story:

>22yo
>On HRT for 6 months
>Huge relief to stop masculinization (facial, body hair, etc.)
>Long Blonde hair
>Done with laser
>Perceived by society as a girl
>Feelsgood.jpg
>Not a raging tranny activist though
>Feel like a femboy and have no allegiance to either groups

I like being called a girl and looking like a girl, but I don't know if that's because I'm just really really femme. I dont wanna be called trans because of all the stigma. I feel like I'd do much better just being a super androgynous guy who looks like a girl. Thoughts anyone? So confused.
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>>5641953
You sound kinda genderqueer/genderfluid or whatever you wanna call it. Labels aren't really important though just do whatever you're comfortable with.
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>>5641874
yes but there is quite a difference between fem guy with and without tits

can we get outsiders to weigh in on this? if a femboy had A cups would that be a turn off or a turn on
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>>5641953
Androgynous guys are the best. Keep doing your thing.
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>>5641830
Lied about it being from an intersex disorder. I don't feel like having to explain myself.
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>>5642008
It'd be pretty hot imo. Little sensitive nips. Nom.
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>>5642021
That's sort of where I'm leaning at this point. There's a lot of pressure to affiliate with one group versus another. All the trans people go apeshit when they hear I'm on hormones so they think it's like some major betrayal to their plight because i'm not a REAL GRIL (insert pitchfork).

I'm basically like stav's little brother/human a this point.
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>tfw mtf
>tfw lurking in here to find out you boys are taking HRT
>tfw find it cute
>tfw no qt /femgen/ boy to cuddle up and be lewd with
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>>5642077
x1000
x cuddles please
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>>5625954
keep popping those pus deposits anon.
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>>5626555
yes, demand is there. just gotta Ojo
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>>5626525
>first world problems kek
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>>5633933
>Posted JUST to correct most of Anons post.>>5633167
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>>5634075
and 1% is making popcorn, about to post the bait.
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>>5634506
There is no real point in paying trash to induce otherwise unnatural anatomical features. too much work and shit, who cares just work with what you got. LGBT is way to edgy and sensitive. drama everywhere, almost as bad as the cancer.
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>>5642242
Different people value different things.
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>>5642077
>tfw too submissive to date an mtf
i'd want to desu
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>>5642077
>tfw no human to cuddle up and be lewd with
I'm so lonely.
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>>5642428
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My chest has "scars" from cystic acne from my teenage yaars. Except they're not ice pick or whatever. Basically they look like the scars in the middle of the chest here (not my chest) but with nearly 0 acne around them anymore.

They've become paler over the years since I get almost no sun anymore. That kind of gives them a gray appearance on my whitish skin.

Also I don't think I have as many as this guy. They still bother the fuck out of me. I think if I ever really worked out my pectorals there would be "chunks" missing. Surely they're only skin deep though even though I can feel my ribs through the skin on my chest? I can't imagine acne permanently scaring my muscles. Acne is skin deep, not muscle deep. Also I'm pretty sure it means if i ever grew boobs they would be awful.

Basically, how fucked am I? What would even be the solution to this? A deep skin chemical peel done by a professional? Being a guy, would a doctor just look at me funny for caring about this?
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>>5642066
> There's a lot of pressure to affiliate with one group versus another. All the trans people go apeshit when they hear I'm on hormones so they think it's like some major betrayal to their plight because i'm not a REAL GRIL (insert pitchfork).

I'm mtf (or maybe a femboy taking things too far, who knows), and really I don't get why some trans people act like that. If you feel better on hormones, then you should take them; it shouldn't matter if you call yourself a boy or a girl.
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>>5642428
Just find a dom or verse mtf; we exist.
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>>5642816
i don't want to make you use your dicks if you hate it though :(
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>>5642709
One, two, Freddy's coming for you
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>>5642836
Not all of us have genital dysphoria either.
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>>5642709
see a dermatologist

>>5642856
yeah but i don't want to be a chaser. i just won't date mtfs because:
- they look like women if they're hot, so i wouldn't just go for them like i would guys
- if i found out they were trans i wouldn't ask them about their dick because they'd rightfully call me a chaser
i can't really find you
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>>5642849
Yeah, basically. Hormones during tried to fuck my shit up and just about succeeded.

>>5642878
>see a dermatologist
Yeah, I guess so. That was the first picture I ever saw that looked like my acne scars. None of the typical ones match.

I see now, thanks to reverse image searching the picture, there's laser treatment that can be done. The shitty appearance is from a lack of collagen in the scars. The healing after the laser treatment will promote new collagen to form. Looks like I'm not fucked after all. Just have to drop thousands in cosmetic surgery on something my body decided to do.
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>>5642798
>femboy taking things too far
>tfw you inadvertently describe my existence
I'm at the point where I want a unisex name. Not an openly male or female one. Blend with me.
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I turned 20 two weeks ago

I'm 5'6 108lbs
Look fairly feminine. Been called androgynous.
If I take HRT at this point, would it be considered early? How effective would it be at this point in my life?

Thanks in advance
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>>5643180
Also I'm a Britfag, so
>NHS
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>>5643180
pretty good at that point, yeah. lose weight though, lots.
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>>5643241
Despite the fact I'm not far from skeleton mode?
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>>5643285
Not too early. Good time to start. Don't lose anymore weight... 108lbs is already low.
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>>5642942

>if i found out they were trans i wouldn't ask them about their dick because they'd rightfully call me a chaser

Not that anon, but I won't lie, I'm much more likely to perceive masculine guys as chasers. As long as you don't act like an ass and make it the sole focus of why you like me, I'm pretty ok with being sought out. I prefer fem male partners, so a femboy would be my ideal male desu. Also ymmv but personally I'm ok with using my dick and I'm pretty vers.
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>>5643285
well i assume you don't want tits, and you have muscle
otherwise don't bother.
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>>5643314
What would the process be? Going to a doctor and telling him I'm a mentally ill femboy who wants to take HRT to enhance my natural feminine traits probably wouldn't get me the skittles.
Also I don't want tits but that's probably inevitable
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>>5642798

>or maybe a femboy taking things too far, who knows
This describes me so perfectly. I'm at a point now where I realize that though and I'm starting to think of myself as a guy again (or at least bigender or something).

>>5642942

>I'm at the point where I want a unisex name. Not an openly male or female one. Blend with me.
That's what I did when I finally got my name change last year. I had been going by an overtly feminine name for years, but I didn't really feel like it fit so I picked a unisex name instead. I'm enjoying andromode more than I did girlmode.
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>>5643352
Are we the same? I'm vers af too. Never had any problem with my dick. Just like looking like a girl. Want a look-alike super femboy/mtf girly to snuggle with. Thoughts?
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>>5643203
Pretty bad, the crazy old doctors would demand you become a girl to get hormones. Or more like act like some sick stereotype in their minds.

You could just play along when around them and lie. Just don't get caught.

Or you could cut out that failing health system and go private. They're more in line with modern standards there.
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>>5643395
Just mention that you have body dysphoria and that it's causing you mental anguish to let your body continue to change in a masculine way.
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>>5643395
I imagine at least half of the people with hrt are self-dosing from online. There's a site that's frequently posted where you can buy the necessary pills online.>>5633167
I think that's it.
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>>5643395
Exaggerate, lie. It's their fault for being unreasonable.
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>>5643403
>andro > girl
I did this too! Luckily I didn't change my name legally yet or anything. Settled on my ambiguous name now though it's perfect.
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I am a masc twunk hunk, no QTs around here though, shit, I need to move to London
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>>5643679
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One of you better date me right now

At least one of you fags would be into a vers MtF, right?
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>>5643717
pics
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>>5643717
But can two vers mtfs even date? Wouldn't that be forbidden love?
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>>5643717
yeah i'd date you
i live in/around new england
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>>5639766
>>5640443
Not sure. I usually lean towards men larger than myself, but I'm technically into women too so maybe being with someone trans could work. FtM wouldn't be a problem but I don't know if it if I would feel comfortable with someone who's issues may have too much in common with mine.

I'm not trans but I've suffered from body dysmorphic disorder and eating disorders since a child. I don't want someone assuming my hormone use means I'm trans. I don't want somebody insisting I'm in denial and need to become a girl.
>>5643717
>At least one of you fags would be
Still don't understand why you don't just go for normal guys.
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>>5641244
>>5641445
just because I want to look like a girl doesn't mean I act or need to be treated like one. so no I'm really not. btw I'm straight ;^)
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>>5643445
Same anon. Probably would but I live in a pretty boring town in the SW, and I'm poly which seems to be a deal breaker for most ;_;
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>>5643832
>never felt masculine
>don't like looking masculine
>almost thought I was trans
>have no desire to be woman but would want to be feminine, even girly or androgynous
Femboy really does make the most sense. If someone wants to say I'm technically transitioning that's fine, but the desired end goal isn't to be a woman.

Or maybe we are in denial.
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>>5643851
Damn. I live in the great north. Also super monogamous. Rip us.
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>>5643773
Different mtf here, for me it'd be because masculine features turn me off / gross me out, so femboys are the only guys that I'm really compatible with.
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>>5643395
self-med, and then go after you've been on them for a while. basically they aren't going to deny you them when they know you'll just order them online
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>>5643717
I prefer to date people who aren't psychotic mutants
>it's asking for a lot, I know
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>>5643395
>>5643913
Worst case scenario they won't prescribe you shit because they don't want to be responsible for what you're doing to yourself. But suggest seeing a psychologist and order blood tests tomake sure you're not going to accidentally kill yourself. Oh, and get really pissed. Possible try to pass you off on someone else.
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>>5643866
I basically "admitted" to myself I was trans recently. But I still really don't believe it in the core and just feel mentally ill. The idea of just taking hormones and otherwise just living like a dude is really nice...like deep down I just want to be a normal guy but being a femguy isn't so bad
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>>5643997
Totally. There's no constant pressure of trying to convince everyone you're a girl.
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>>5643997
Basically everyone seems mentally ill when you know them long enough. Just in different ways. Whether it's because they're insecure or because they blindly believe everything their culture says they should believe without question.

Before I found this general I didn't even know this was a thing but damn did it click with me. At the same time, I could see the people in this thread becoming a case study though, "long term effects of hrt on men not trying to transition".

>>5644056
Interesting to see if the suicide rate would be much lower without that pressure.
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>>5643908
You do realize most of us bottom, can't do a lot of the stuff normal boyfriends might.
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>>5644083
Its not necessarily a dealbreaker desu. I like to top and bottom. If I liked a guy enough I could be a (mostly) exclusive top for him.
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>>5644083
I'm vers and don't have genital dysphoria, so it wouldn't really be a problem. (Although I'd be just as fine with neither of us doing butt stuff unless they wanted to; if it were just handjobs, blowjobs and cuddling I wouldn't have any complaints.)
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>>5644083
Are you saying that because you're so submissive you have no appeal to topping or because of some kind of hormone-induced erectile dysfunction?
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>>5644138
>bjs, kissing, cuddling
100% do-able. Butt stuff is fun, but it's not crucial to being with someone imo.

>>5644162
Probably a combination of both. I'm vers but I don't know if my boners are hard enough anymore (due to hormones) to top someone.
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>>5644123
>>5644138
And you promise not to bother us over the hormone stuff, right?
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>>5644138
>if it were just handjobs, blowjobs and cuddling I wouldn't have any complaints

Don't really NEED buttstuff myself. Its fun sometimes, but honestly frotting is a lot hotter imo.
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>>5644216
You mean being on them, or lack of? I don't care either way. Although tiny boyboobs are p cute.
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>>5644162
My stuff still works, I thought that stuff about hormones breaking it was exaggerated.

It's more that I don't particularly enjoy topping compounded with being a neat freak and not wanting to get my body in something dirty. Would feel better off with holding instead.
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>>5644284
How long have you been taking them?
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>>5642798
The sooner we acknowledge the difference between male/man and female/woman the better.

Vagina =! skirt. Penis =! Pants
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>>5644291
Since freshman year in uni, that would put at about five years.

I think my stuff has shrunk, but is still works. Not sure if low body weight and exercise played any part in that.
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>>5644326
>Not sure if low body weight and exercise played any part in that

Uh, no. Skinny people still have functioning penises.
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>>5644326
Wow that longer than I thought. How big has your chest gotten?
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>>5644338
My point, I think that's why it's still working despite years of abuse. Some degree of shrinkage was probably inevitable.
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>>5644310
>Vagina =! skirt. Penis =! Pants
I break all the rules
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>>5644389
Wait, which do you have, penis pants or a vagina skirt?
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>>5644395
skirt penis
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>>5644326
Are you taking less than full mtf levels of HRT? That might be some of it.
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How do I stop my brain from wanting to be a girl and just accept being a fem boy? I'd like to start lifting weights a little but the voice in my head is scared to do it. Also how many cis girls actually like fem boys?
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what are things I can do to be more effeminate? Either in terms of appearance of mannerisms.
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>>5644389
>>5644400

Kind of like everyone else ITT.

Now stop avatarfagging.
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>>5644431
Uh huh.
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>>5644353
A, I've tried to keep a 1600 cal diet and minimize body fat. That keeps curves down, I'd rather my body be slender.
>>5644405
e is at 4mg, that's at the lower range of effective I guess. What would you say is normal?
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>>5644470
Huh. What's your height? Since you're mentioning calories.

No spiro at all? Because that could be why.
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>>5644485
5"6, take 200 spiro too. What's supposed to be the normal with mtfs?
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>>5644511
200 spiro seems like the normal amount they work up to from what I see them post. You're right that your e intake is in the lower range of effectiveness. I think they normally work up to at least 6.

I think your guess is right. Plus not getting fat like a lot of them do.
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>>5644470
>>5644511
Those are pretty standard dosages for mtfs (4mg estrodiol and 200mg spiro is what my doctor has me on); sometimes the estrogen gets bumped up to 6mg depending on what the lab results show. Probably the restricted diet has a lot to do with why you haven't had much breast growth.
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>>5644566
That's probably for the best, the whole point of this was keeping the body I've had. The twink kind of feminine that doesn't involve tits.

I just wish I could eat well without consequences. By this point it's getting miserable to always be hungry.
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>>5620610
That man looks like he has eyes for nipples.
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So... has anyone's junk changed odor ever since HRT?

It smells kinda fishy now but I've never smelled a vagina so idk if this is what it's supposed to be like
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>>5645467
This doesn't happen lol I think you're imagining things.
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>tfw no femboy harem
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hey guys, the boy I'm into has a big thing for the 'sissy' fetish and wants to try it out, which I'm not adverse to. Trouble is, I don't know anything about it, I don't suppose you'd be able to give me some advice/ideas? I'm the top in this scenario btw
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>>5645512
I'll be your femboy senpai
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>>5645518
call him a girl, feed him hormone pills, have him wear girl's clothing around you
i'd say that's the start of it
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>>5645560
we heard you the first time
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>>5645567
yeah sorry posting error
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>>5645560
hormone pills? really? sounds a little hardcore
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>>5645580
oh they don't have to be effacacious,
the point is forced feminization
you could feed him spiro from time to time to emasculate him
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>>5645580
Depends how far you want to go with it desu. Calling him your girlfriend and treating him as such is a big part of it for sure.
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>>5642008
if the rest of the guy is cute and fem to match, then major turn on, especially if they're super sensitive and I can make him moan just by kissing them
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>>5645660
ugh date me
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>>5642709
research laser treatments for scar removal
or possibly acid treatments
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>>5645660
>kissing them
nips are tingling
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>>5645584
>>5645597
yeah he likes being called a girl and crossdressing but idk if he's go that far
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>>5645467
I think you're into something.
After I started spiro, scent changed into more pleasant odor.
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>tfw no qt to help me take off my suit when I get home, chat about our days while we eat, fuck him mercilessly, shower together and then sleep spooning him
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Anyone in /femgen/ wears chastity device?
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>>5646061
I have one but I don't wear it regularly
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>>5645467
yeah, HRT makes a lot of peoples' dicks smell like pussy
often you end up lubricating like one too aka lots and lots of precum
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>literally taking hormones for a fetish

Damn, I mean I figure some of you are trannies in denial but to those who aren't what's the deal?
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>>5646061
>>5646104
what's the appeal
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>>5646439
>literally becoming unable to produce offspring and being left with breasts that can be removed only through costly surgery for a fetish

Fixed that for you.
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>>5646533

>>literally becoming unable to produce offspring

That's a net positive imo. I don't particularly want kids, and I have no intention of sticking my dick in a vagina anyway. If for some reason I want them one day I'll adopt.
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>>5646533
>literally becoming unable to produce offspring
>Not freezing your sperm beforehand just in case


>>5646439
Femboys need a way to maintain their cute looks for longer and HRT does that.
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>>5646575
>Femboys need a way to maintain their cute looks for longer
>need

No you don't it's just a fetish, everyone gets older. You're inevitably going to. Trans women don't take hormones to delay the inevitability of age but because they want to be women physically, you're doing it for a fetish.
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>>5646629
The point is not to get older as a guy, with HRT you can stay somewhat cute well into your old age if you take care of yourself well.
Otherwise you just get continued virilization and your'e stuck being gross forever.
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>>5646575
>I didn't freeze my sperm
>been on hormones for like 8 months
>don't really want to stop

Oh well. I guess if i'm this mentally retarded to actually be getting rid of all of my testosterone and replacing it with estrogen, it's probably best I don't have kids anyway.
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>>5646629
wanting to look cute is not a fetish
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>>5646629
/mtfgen/ pls

We knew everyone gets older. Its about not aging like a caveman and balding, getting a beard, etc. Call it dysphoria if you want. I hate the idea of looking like a "guy" buy I don't want to be a woman either.
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>>5646514
presumably letting your partner control your stimulation
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>>5644666
You're gonna die from starving yourself desu
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>>5646533
this >>5646549 why would I ever want children? they only make your life miserable
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>>5647110
1600 calories isn't THAT low for someone anon's height, especially if they're fairly sedentary. I'm about 5'6" and 132lbs. I walk a lot so my target is probably closer to 2000 calories, but its difficult for me to keep weight on regardless. I've never gone above an A cup either.
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>>5646439
>some of you are trannies in denial

that's the core of it, really. /femgen/ is basically /mtfindenialgen/. I suspect a notable amount users post in both threads and come here for comfort.
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>>5648397
It's denial.
And the comfort that if I don't pass I can be closer to what I want.

My problem isn't how society perceives me or my dick or anything though. It's just how I don't want to look masculine but feminine. As broken as that sounds.
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>>5648397
Am I literally the only one here who doesn't do hormones and just enjoys feminine things? Because it's all just good fun? I've been in femgen since /lgbt/ was a board and like it here...

Geez, someone just post some ando fashion or something to get on a new topic
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>>5648458
no problem, senpai
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>>5648929
>that stubble
gross tbdesu fampai
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Not to start a debbie downer topic (in fact, just ignore this if you don't want to contribute a negative answer), but I'm curious how the family life is of posters here.
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>>5649670
Family life is pretty good I guess. Mom and dad are divorced little brother lives with dad I live with mom. Dad used to be kind of a shithead when they were married but he's more tolerable now. I'm not sure if that's because I don't see him as often or if he has actually changed. If I came out I think most in my family would accept or tolerate and not make a big deal. Mom found my dildo and body shaver before and didn't say anything.
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>>5649670
Parents are confused and think I'm insane but still love and support me. They know I'm random as fuck and don't give a shit what other's think so they just go with it. They don't care if my wardrobe is half girls' and half guys' clothes or if I wear make up sometimes and grow my hair long or that I'm super queer. Senpai life is actually fucking amazing desu.
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>>5649804
>>5649901
This is great to hear. I like hearing about positivity. /mtfg/ is fucking depressing. They're like a tv show general on hiatus except the show on hiatus is their lives.

I tried to tell them I "was gay" and "wanted to be a girl" when I was 17. They were really confused but seemed supportive. I was desperate and really religious at the time though so I joined a Christian cult online before the first therapy session. From there I chickened the fuck out and told them to "just don't worry about it".

I didn't understand my own issues back then like I do now (8 years of fucking up later...) Mom is on to me again now. Because I'm going to try getting the pills through legitimate means I'll have to set one of them down at some point (probably Dad this time). They're going to think I'm crazy but at least I'm the kind of crazy that knows they're crazy, right?
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>>5649963
I hope everything goes well for you.
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>>5649963
Sorry about the religion stuff anon :(

Seventeen would've been great to start medically combatting your body's processes. If they seemed supportive back then shouldn't they still be?

If you live somewhere where it's hard to get legit HRT then you might just wanna say you're trans (to the doctors) otherwise they might think you're just fucking around and not give you prescriptions. Just tell them you're only doing what makes you happy. Break it down into very simple language for them. That's what I did when they asked me wtf was going on.

The more open, comfortable and confident you are about stuff, the more likely they will be to support you.

E.g. Mom thought I was weird for buying women's razors and shaving my legs but I was like "because i'm fabulous get over it" lmao

But yeah /femgen/ is definitely better lol. Fewer have crippling anxiety here
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>>5650131
The thing is I was just ignorant at 17 about what HRT could do and was never open to the possiblities of FFS.

I can actually describe what's "wrong" with me now. I guess it's body dysphoria. I'm not opening with that obviously, but I'm going to explain my problem and how hrt could help.

>Mom catching you shaving your legs
I did that as often as I could get away with it. I remember getting really good at it when I was 19 and studying abroad. So much so I just about got on to a girl who had awful razor burn a few times.

When I moved back home and my dad asked me about my shaved legs (amused, and not confrontational) I stopped. I didn't really give him an answer. I couldn't explain why I kept wanting to "fix" things with my body and couldn't put into words how I hated what I looked like.
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>>5650195
A lot of people confuse body dysphoria with being trans, but that's not always the case. I'm glad I figured this out before going through with anything I'd regret.

>catching
She didn't really catch me because I never tried to hide it. Not being ashamed or secretive is what immensely helped my cause.

>stopped
Big mistake I'm afraid. You should've just said you like it or something and it would've become normal for them, but oh well, can't fret about it now.

You seem to be a lot more educated and mature about it now so I don't think you'll have any problems.
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>>5650248
>You should've just said you like it or something and it would've become normal for them, but oh well, can't fret about it now.
Yeah. I should have. they clearly didn't care. They knew they raise a weird, soft-spoken boy and didn't care how weird I was. I had a weird complex about not wanting to disappoint them though. I was always told I was the "good child" who "never caused any trouble". I think hearing that on repeat made me paranoid.

I didn't even like talking as a child (8ish?). I was trying to make my voice sound "deeper" because I was worried I wouldn't sound masculine enough for my dad's approval. He caught on and told me to just sound like myself.

>A lot of people confuse body dysphoria with being trans, but that's not always the case.
I'm pretty sure I'm using the term wrong but I don't want to say it's gender dypshoria because I think illogical to say I'm a girl. I'm not, I was raised a boy, I have a penis. I have no mental anguish about my penis. All the things "wrong" with my body are wrong in that they're too masculine or not feminine enough.
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>>5650335
I wouldn't worry so much. Your family sounds pretty understanding. Although you don't have to "come out" to them as femme. You're old enough to get your prescriptions alone and you could just gradually present more femininely. It's up to you.

>I don't want to say it's gender dypshoria because I think illogical to say I'm a girl. I'm not, I was raised a boy, I have a penis. I have no mental anguish about my penis.
This is literally EXACTLY how I feel. God damn anon where have you been all my life.
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>>5650379
Yeah, I'm not coming out as femme. That doesn't make sense out of the context of a niche sub group. Is it weird to say I don't identify as "mtf"?

I'm going the gradual route and just not using words like "transition" or "transexual" or "becoming a girl" to explain anything to them.

Instead that for some reason my brain has just rejecting what my body looks like since early childhood and this will make me less upset when I look in the mirror. I'm pretty sure they could handle a gradual change.

The reason why I need to be up front about them is because I've lost my roommates and moved back home recently. Almost at the same time though I finally got my first full time job with actual (good) insurance. I could certainly move out now with the money I'm making but I have no reason to right now other than hiding all this from them. Which would just feed the paranoia of disappointing them more. I need to deal with this now before I have to chose between being a 40 year old hon and accidentally killing myself with alcohol to deal with the depression.
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>>5650506
It's not weird at all. I don't identify as "mtf" either because I'm still male. I'm just super girly. I thought maybe I was trans a long time ago, but that was because I was misinformed. Yeah I'd avoid all T-terminology so as to avoid shock/upset.

>brain rejecting body
So true. I didn't have a problem being a boy, but I did hate male puberty. I'm lucky af that I never grew a beard or body hair (though I would've if I didn't do anything about it... age 22 atm). This doesn't mean "I'm a girl" however.

>choose btwn being a hon or not
But you've already made that decision? You're not trans (as you've said) so being a hon isn't really a possibility. It's just about doing something now so that you can stave off further masculinisation.
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>>5650580
>I never grew a beard or body hair
You are lucky af. Body hair is awful. It's like a hairy rash that keeps coming back.

>being a hon isn't really a possibility
>It's just about doing something now so that you can stave off further masculinisation.
Right. I guess I just mean there wouldn't be as much to save and reverse if I waited that long.
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>>5648929
>skirt
>purse
>heels
>andro

negroid, please

then again, there isn't much for males that isn't high fashion. the androgynous male basically dresses like a non-aggressive lesbian.
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>>5650681
I know I'm spoiled :/ I have an older brother who suddenly started getting a really full beard and hairy body at around 25 so when was I in high school at the time alarms were going off that I had to act if I wanted to prevent that from happening to me eventually. Ew though that sounds horrible.

Yeah exactly, at which point it wouldn't be worth it anyway really. Welp, you know what to do.
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>>5650739
Yeah wtf that's just blatant shitty cross-dressing. Andro guys can still cross-dress but it's subtle, like girl's jeans, unisex footwear, shirts with large necks, etc.You get the idea.
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