For trans girls only obviously, which would you rather be:
>8/10 cute passable as a girl but still trans
>3/10 ugly but cis girl and still kind of look like a girl
Whichever looks more female. You make it sound like the tranny looks more passaable.
Honestly, if someone transitions before puberty, they have every chance of looking better than most cis women do. All they need to do then is have SRS, and while that's expensive, being ugly is far more pricey.
>You make it sound like the tranny looks more passaable.
the OP is a trans girl that is more passable than the cis girl in this pic.
I've seen <pic related> completely naked before, he ain't passable as a girl. He's a skinny skeleton with tits that look like AAA batteries and a huge hairy dick. Even with a 3/10 real girl, you get a functioning vagina that you can fuck several times a day. With a tranny, you literally only get a shit hole to stick your dick in.
You forgot to mention all the blowjobs. Miles of blowjobs. Miles upon miles of blowjobs. I'm measuring blowjobs in miles because your dick has length to it and if you blow enough length you will have blown a mile of dick. So yes, miles of blowjobs.
>Ok thanks Grimsby
That obviously depends on how the cis girl is ugly.
Is it repairable through simple surgeries? Like a nose job?
The cis alternative comes with a functioning vagina, and fertility, but if you're so ugly you look deformed, it's probably not worth it... Unless you can spend like $10k on surgeries and look good, or average.
In other words, OP, what you're trying to say is:
Is your Gender Dysphoria
>Mostly based on vanity
>Based on a desire to be FEMALE, not just FEMININE
80% of all the ways a female is treated as a female in society and relationships revolves around appearance anyway.
Even the most hardcore transexual would feel less dysphoria in the 10/10 passable body, than the 'real' 3/10 one.
I never got the fascination with SRS in the community, many treat it as if it's the most important goal, when in reality it's literally the most irrelevant thing in how you live as a certain gender.
>I never got the fascination with SRS in the community, many treat it as if it's the most important goal, when in reality it's literally the most irrelevant thing in how you live as a certain gender.
That is probably because you cannot relate to the massive dismay we feel towards having that junk down there.
I hear many trannies cherishing their junk and I wonder equally how they can claim to be female.
Showing it or using it makes me feel ill and I don't feel like I have anything to lose cutting it off.
I'm trans too. It's just that out of the million things wrong with my body that I want to burn down with acid, the part that nobody is going to see seems like a really minor thing compared to a face that could never be passable, or my footballer physique.
Yet the majority of transexuals seem to hold the opinion of "I'll get my junk chopped off FOR STARTERS, then let's figure out the rest".
>Yet the majority of transexuals
If I look at /lgbt/ tru-trans seem actually fucking rare here. It's more like /trap/. People wanna keep their junk because the result of SRS isn't perfect, which makes me question how valid their concerns with their bodies really are.
Of course I proritized VFS and FFS and hormonal transition over SRS, but I'm definitely getting SRS. If it wasn't for the WPATH SoC requirement however, I'd get whichever surgery I get the soonest appointment for, even if that's SRS.
Just getting it over with would help my mental health a whole fucking lot rather than eating bureaucratic shit for years.
It boils down to:
Innately cute, but unable to reproduce and forced to take hormones forever
Innately ugly, but you can have children
Sry I'll choose the first and just get surgery. Being ugly would suck.
Did you really forget about the other organ she has? Or do you pretend they don't exist to protect yourself from your own biology? I mean fuck, my girlfriend would never want to be cis because then she'd never have a working dick to use on me.
Transitioning is effective at totally curing dysphoria (at least, it has been to me). Without dysphoria, it boils down to 'do you want to be cute and infertile, or ugly and fertile?', and I don't want to have kids.
Cuteness > Fertility + monthly period pains.
If you presented most girls, whether trans or cis, with the binary choice of being ugly and fertile, and cute and infertile, a lot of them would choose the latter.
>Innately ugly, but you can have children
We gonna pass our genes on, don't worry.
Vanity is something of an instinct for the vast majority of women as they evolved for millions of years to look attractive in order to be able to pass on their genes.
If you say "passing doesnt matter i just want a vagina" like 90% of hons you pretty much are just admitting you arent actually mentally female, you just hate your penis because theres something else wrong with you.
IMO anyone willing to mutilate parts of their body should be locked away in an insane asylum.
jelly hon detected.
No it comes down to are you mentally female or do you just put all your self loathing onto your penis as a scapegoat because you cant handle the fact you are ugly.
Have you even ever met or talked to any real girls? like seriously? the vast majority of them spend 10x as much time on their appearance and thinking about their appearance than they do thinking about their vagina.
I think that if you gave most cis girls the option of being eternally ugly + vagina or having a penis + really cute, well you know what they would pick.
very very very few girls dont care about their appearance, and the ones that dont are usually lying to themselves.
idiots/not real trans itt
if you are an un-pretty gg it still easier and less health risk to get yourself in shape and maybe do some facial surgery
than it is for a cute boy to be on HRT whole life and still need surgeries to become anything close to a real girl
jelly hon detected
>guys if i chop if my penis and get a fake vagina no one will notice my manchin
it really depends on what your 3/10 is vs mine. realistically it's much easier to get in shape, learn to take care of yourself / hygiene. a 3/10 can easily become a 9/10 with maybe 2 years of dedicated work. think i'd rather be the 3/10 cis girl because of the potential to become a normal qt3.14. it also depends a lot on the genetics of the 3/10. i'd really have to see both options before I could come to a solid conclusion, but like having functional female parts is definitely a major upscale comparably even if the shell is a fixer upper.
>I am not transitioning
>I only take hormones
Yeah it is fucky and it is my masculine body and face. That's why I am never coming out because everyone would laugh at me like we now all laugh at the hons who strangely have the *balls* to go out in their dresses.
8/10 passing trans
Holy shit how overwhelming on that poll.
Being ugly is worse than being a tranny, I will now check my privilege whenever in the place of some one ugly.
Being ugly and a girl means being treated like trash. After transitioning I'm considered to be very pretty by most people and it is so nice being considered attractive. I couldn't be an ugly girl now that I know what it's like to be pretty.
You'd have to be delusional to choose being an ugly cis girl. You're basically scum if you're ugly. The only reason I can imagine someone would choose being ugly and cis over pretty, 100% passable, and trans, is if they've never experienced what life is like attractive.
No seriously, all privilege women get only goes to the pretty ones. No wonder women are so fucking competitive about looks, it literally changes the way the entire world treats them. To be fair I think anyone can become atleast a 5/10 if they properly groom themselves.
He'll only attract chasers. Guys who wanna play with his dick.
And if you a pretty girl, you'd better have a cute looking pussy. No wild lips flying out of that cunt, it has to be all hidden. Which porn stars are the most popular? The ones who look hot with tight small pussies.
>all these people that don't know that you will still think you are ugly as fuck due to dysphoria
even if you are a solid 8/10, you will think that you are a 3/10. i'd rather be cis and honest than trans and unable to trust myself in any capacity when it comes to my own visage. but the grass is always greener on the other side desu
This thread underscores that most trannies have a sex fetish, just as dr blanchard showed, it has nothing to do with wanting to be female, just wanting to be a sex object.
Then these fuckers try to preach about what women really think or what women are evolved to be like?!! Lol as if they would know
true desu. i'll never know he extent of it, since i'm not cis. maybe passing makes it less horrid too? i dunno desu, but there's no way to really tell which is worse objectively. i guess it's just up to the person to choose their own hell, in this case.
Lets go around asking a bunch of cis women if they would rather be super ugly or have a penis.
Vanity and self appearance is like one of the most feminine mindsets there is.
>Lol as if they would know
if you had ever graduated highschool and taken evolutionary biology you would know a lot of female species evolved to want to be as attractive as possible, not just humans. Males evolved to be confident, strong, etc etc.
I mean how uneducated and underaged are you that you dont understand grade 10 biology?
Idk I don't really have dysphoria anymore since transitioning. You're assuming dysphoria is permanent when you're trans, when it's really something that goes away eventually.
As long as your phenotype is female who cares. I don't care about periods, reproducing, and chromosomes.
They don't have a sex fetish, they're just being realistic.
My dysphoria went away when I got SRS. This question to me is basically "would you choose to be ugly if it meant being able to have kids and get periods?". I don't want kids and I'm thankful I don't get periods so yeah, I'd rather be a pretty trans girl.
dysphoria goes away for a lot of trans girls after hormones. thats like one of the MAIN reasons to even get on hormones in the first place.
Iv been taking them for more than a year now, and while i have a new found sense of anxiety about my appearance, its completely different than dysphoria, which has almost completely gone away for me since i look like a cute girl now.
well, fuck me.
>tfw look like a lovecraftian horror after hrt
>be pretty trans
>no uterus or vagina
>giant man body
>be ugly cis girl
>cis girl body
>vagina and uterus
>get ffs and prettier than the pretty trans girl and you are cis to boot
yeah you are all stupid
>>thread isn't even about srs
actually it is. its implied in the OP that as a trans girl you would have a penis you inbred
you mean psych patients who pay people thousands of dollars to mutilate them for a fake vagina?
passability isn't 100% correlated with attractiveness, I've seen some not-so-attractive or even downright ugly trans girls who were very passable, they just looked like unattractive women