That kinda does look like a man-ass, even if that picture was posted out of this context. That being said, I don't think it makes you "gay" per se. It all depends on what you think of fem-presenting males.
I just don't understand why anyone would choose a fake girl over a real one unless they were interested in penis. I've seen tons of straight and tranny porn, and its very rare that a tranny can match the curves and minor details of a real woman. If I wasn't so aroused by dick I don't think I'd bother with them.
>>5588196 >I just don't understand why anyone would choose a fake girl over a real one unless they were interested in penis. Not everyone sees them as fake girls and not all of them have penises (surgery, etc.).
>I've seen tons of straight and tranny porn, and its very rare that a tranny can match the curves and minor details of a real woman. >If I wasn't so aroused by dick I don't think I'd bother with them. So it's quite obvious that you're attracted enough to trans women to watch "tons" of porn about them, even if you think they're "fake" or "can't match the curves and minor details of real women." You might not realize this, but there are perspectives about trans women that are different from your own. Is it really such a radical notion that there are men other than yourself who don't have your hangups about a trans woman's supposed "authenticity." You might disagree with their views, but conversely they also disagree with yours. Plus, there is much more to an individual than just their body. If your only motivations for romance are purely superficial, that might explain your inability to understand how someone who doesn't suit your precise physical specifications might end up dating another man even though you reject them yourself.
You misunderstand me, I think trans woman can be very attractive, but compared to real woman they are at a disadvantage if we are gonna argue over which is more feminine, lets just be honest. This is why it confuses me when guys are really into traps/trans but not penis.
>>5588376 >You misunderstand me, I think trans woman can be very attractive, but compared to real woman they are at a disadvantage if we are gonna argue over which is more feminine, lets just be honest. This is why it confuses me when guys are really into traps/trans but not penis. No, I absolutely understand that this is your opinion, your personal preference and your perspective. It seems like you hold your perspective as the basis for some sort of universal standard of human experience and sexuality. What you don't understand is that there are people who don't think the way you do, for whatever individual and personal reasons they might have, and don't consider a person's trans partner's status a "disadvantage."
You can muse about them from your perspective, challenge their sexuality, challenge their gender, challenge their masculinity, or femininity, or authenticity, but it's still just your opinion. Even if you find others who agree with you, there are also others who don't. The world is a much more complex and convoluted place than you seem to think it is.
>>5588145 You do realize they're only talking about the penis, right? Nobody thinks being attracted to anything else on the shame body is gay. Your mouth drooling over it's cock is why people think you're gay
>>5588453 >So you're telling me that its my opinion that girls on average are more feminine than guys trying to look like girls? It's your opinion, that trans women are "guys trying to look like girls," your opinion about what makes someone "feminine" to you, and your opinion that trans women are inherently less "feminine" (your definition of femininity) than women who aren't.
>Cause this seems pretty factual to me. Opinions aren't facts to anyone but yourself. You seem to think that you're the only person in the world who's allowed to have a perspective.
>>5588484 >It's your opinion, that trans women are "guys trying to look like girls,"
lol There are entire threads dedicated to this exact process. I'm not trying to undermine the idea that these are woman in one way or another, but they are definitely inside of a male body, and they definitely don't like it since they put such an absurd amount of effort into looking like normal girls. Why is okay for them to acknowledge their own shortcomings when it comes to looking more feminine and not me? There's obviously a standard they are trying to live up to with all the laser hair removal, t blockers, estrogen pills, trying to change their voice, fat distribution, clothing, etc. I'm just calling it how I see it.
>>5588145 >>5588196 if we pass we arent seen as fake girls in public. If a transgirl passes and is pretty guys will flirt with them and treat them as they would any other cis girl. Its when we disclose the fact we are trans is when people loose their shit (sometimes)
in short, if you view them as a woman, and are attracted to them based on that fact, you are straight. And down the road you if come to find that they are trans... you are still straight.
I think its kind of illogical to completely loose attraction to someone just because you come to learn that they are trans. I can understand the genitalia mismatch debacle for some people, but if they are post-op...whats the issue really?
also women (trans or cis) in porn, is a very small sample size to make that sort of claim.
Calling them fake girls was a bit harsh, but you know where I'm getting at! Stumbling across a trans woman and falling for one before knowing shes packing heat is one thing, but to chase after them knowing what they are while having no interest in the dick is something I just can't comprehend, what can they do that a normal girl couldn't do better?
>>5589065 some people dont fall in love with gender or genitalia.
say you had a very good friend that is a girl. And you had known them for a long period of time, and you were seriously crush on them (even in love with them), Say one day your relationship steps up to a new level and you talk about dating, but she discloses that she is trans (pre-op) before going any further. would you... a) go for it because you are in love her, and thats what really matters. b) throw it away without any thought, because dont see her as a "normal" girl suddenly. c) take some serious time to think about it and come up with a rational decision weather to go with it or politely decline.
unlike some other trans girls i can understand if guys have hang ups on the genital situation. Its important to a lot of guys, and they have a right to be attracted to whatever they are attracted to. just dont be an asshole about it if you have a problem with the girl you are into having a penis. just be polite and sincere about it. If she has a problem with that then she's the delusional cunt, not you.
>but she discloses that she is trans (pre-op) before going any further. would you...
Oh no don't ask me that, I love dick, I'm too biased. Like I said, I can totally see someone liking a trans girl prior to knowing about the dick and even after, but to have a "thing" for them doesn't make sense to me, unless you like dick, all I'm saying.
>>5588911 >>5589196 >in short, if you view them as a woman, and are attracted to them based on that fact, you are straight. And down the road you if come to find that they are trans... you are still straight
KEK Azzy making up rules about who qualifies as straight. You dont make any rules bitch you are ugly as fuck, and you dont even pass. Yeah keep on trying to trap and see how that works for you, not letting a guy that shows interest in you know upfront you are trans is asking for it; so dont get mad when you get yours bb girl because you were asking for it :^)
>just dont be an asshole about it if you have a problem with the girl you are into having a penis
Ayyy LMAO you seem to be really hung up on the fact that dudes ditch you after your ruse fails, its pretty simple 2bh bitch you are ugly as fuck. The only thing worse than an ugly bitch, is an ugly bitch that lies (:
>I think its kind of illogical to completely loose attraction to someone just because you come to learn that they are trans.
No actually its completely logical....or I should say understandable. Normies have extremely strong social conditioning, and they have a very deep seated fear about doing anything that could jeopardize their status in their family/social circle. This is why you dont see a lot of young white males with African American girlfriends, its not so much they cant find any black girls they are attracted to, its more that they are deathly terrified of what their friends/family will think/do when they find out. When you reveal to a guy that you have a dick Azzy, all that is going through his mind is that he is going to lose all of his friends and his family wont talk to him or let you come anywhere near them.... as rational or irrational as that might be that is how normies think and how they can do such retarded shit.... because they have strong sense of justification for it as social status is extremely important to them.
>That person's body looks like the type of person to show me how to do barbell rows
If someone comes up to you and tries to teach you how to do BB Rows, and you dont stop them and teach them how to do Pendlay Rows instead then you should just kill yourself now because you will never make it 2bh.
>>5589477 >As a tranny, I have to say, yeah, you would have to be pretty gay to be turned on by that ass
All that jelly isnt good for you anon, you could actually start working out and eating right and look good instead of being a hater.... just sayin :^)
No, I mean this picture makes me dysphoric because her ass doesn't look anything like a woman's ass. It's a muscular, male ass. Even, so this individual is clearly on the upper end of MtF ass, but it still falls so much shorter of cis girl ass it makes me want to kill myself. If this is peak or near-peak for MtFs, there's no point in even trying. The butts in this picture are truly enviable asses, and they're on cis women too. Besides, I'm not the type to drag others that are succeeding down with me.
Stop being so selfish, as long as your man likes your ass you should be OK with it too.
>>5596094 >Muscular female ass for comparison to OP
lol no, this is /fit/ here who are you trying to fool familia?
The cumdumpster in your pic does not have a "muscular" ass she just has good fat distribution genetics. You can tell she is overweight if you look at how flabby her arms are, and you can see cellulite beginning to develop on the backs of her thighs; again the only reason she doesnt look horrible in the stomach area (yet) is because of how her body is genetically predisposed to distribute fat.... and I will bet you anything she is a basic fat bitch within 5 years of that pic being taken.
Pic related is a muscular ass, and 2bh most women in the gym that are /fit/ dont have much of an ass (even less nice than OP pic), because again most of what you call female ass is just fat and not much muscle at all. So once you have a lower body fat content the only way you can have a really nice ass is through growing the Glutes which is very time consuming.
I have cis gfs that are /fit/ and some that are not, both body types can be feminine and attractive 2bh. Focus on improving your body yes, but its also important to find someone that appreciates your body as it is.
>>5589185 >penis fetish Its called being bi. Some people are attracted to us _because_ we're male, rather than in spite of it. But trannies are so in denial about our own situation we don't want to hear it. Dysphoria is a powerful thing, and the urge to repress feelings of doubt about our true gender is strong. At least the FtMs don't seem too bothered. They're more than happy to entertain lesbians in exchange for some pussy. I don't know why MtF are so averse. Instead ya'll compare bi dudes to pedos and keep looking for a unicorn who will love you unconditionally and never interact with your genitals. Its crazy. Not every dude who wants to touch your dick has a 'fetish'.
>>5601687 Maybe they don't want to be with someone that's attracted to them because they're male? If they were really cool with that, then they wouldn't take hormones and get thousands of dollars worth of invasive surgery just to attempt to undo what nature did to them.
I don't see how you can't comprehend why someone wouldn't want to be with a person that not only puts their sexual pleasure over the other's comfort, but also considers them to be a thing that they neither see themselves as nor want to be. You don't see how demeaning and dehumanizing that is? To be objectified like that? Especially when most trans people are incredibly averse to their biological traits and take every available measure to be rid of them.
I guess using chasers for a quick fuck is understandable if you're desperate and affection deprived, which alot of us are. (a lot of chasers like to take advantage of this apparently) Otherwise, I fail to see how a relationship built on an attraction to something that the other person deeply hates about themselves can be healthy or sustainable, especially when that person is seeking to get that element of themselves removed permanently.
>>5601520 >But are those muscular butts really appealing? I can't see the draw.
Well as a trans attracted guy I will put it like this; the most important thing about a trans girl is her face, and after that her body frame, then her voice, and then hair, makeup, and fashion sense are all pretty equal, anything else besides that pretty much does not matter.... at least initially. Also remember when you use the word "appealing" things just have to be "good enough". Try to remember that no one is as dysphoric as you are in the real world. You will never encounter a scenario where someone almost liked you but "your ass simply was too muscular" or as the old /fit/ meme goes "your elbows were too pointy". If your friend can accept the fact that you have a penis and testicles instead of a vagina and uterus, then I am pretty sure the rest of the stuff will be a lot easier to work out.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that your masculine ass doesnt have to be appealing, if (most) of the rest of you is :^)
>something that the other person deeply hates about themselves...especially when that person is seeking to get that element of themselves removed permanently
But pham, you are projecting, you can only speak for yourself; so you really shouldnt try to project the severity of your own penis dysphoria onto others.
I have been with quite a few trans girls, and while near universally they are disgusted by the thought of topping a man; I have never met a single one that wasnt cool with frotting while making out, or with being jerked off while spooning. Honestly I think most trans girls just wanna know their man isnt a fem fag, if he is masculine and more dominant than her she really doesnt care what he does with that girl dick IME.
>b-b-but you cant jerk me off daddy... muh dysphoria
This has never happened to me, not even one time.... also pretty sure that the majority of MtF never actually plan on going through with SRS. A majority might think its a theoretically great idea.... but in reality most know its not.
>>5588216 >Trans girls have a really low self esteem so they practically love you unconditionally. this is a fallacy Being self loathing and depressed only makes you easily become dependent on people. We really don't fall in love easily. Or at all, really.
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