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What's the difference between AGP male crossdressers and "real" transwomen?

Ever since the Stefonknee fiasco came out, trannies everwhere have been trying to claim that Stefonknee is a crossdressing man, not an actual transwoman.

But seriously what is the difference?
They're both doing the same shit. They're both keeping their cocks. If Stefonknee actually passed as a pretty girl, would you guys still throw a shit fit about how creepy he is?

Genuinely want to know your guy's answers.
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There are enough reasons to believe Stefonknee's "transition" is more of a fetish act than an imperative to dysphoria.
Otherwise she would make more efforts to look like a normal woman and not a freakish hon-child.
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>>5571040
>Otherwise she would make more efforts to look like a normal woman and not a freakish hon-child.

but there are plenty of transwomen who don't pass due to transitioning late or very masculine genetics. How is that any different than Stefonknee?
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Y/N, in a perfect world where a genie could turn you into a woman with no adverse effects would you do it?

If you answer yes, you're probably genuinely trans. If you answer no, you clearly has an ulterior motive to wearing women's clothing.
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>>5571051
but Stefonknee wants to be a cute little girl. I'm pretty sure he would say yes to being turned into a woman by genie magic.
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>>5571046
I'm just saying, if she goes around pretending to be a child for ageplay, there's a great deal of chance she's pretending to be a woman for agp.

And I'm not saying that to demean transbians or anything, I just don't believe she has gender dysphoria. The only thing that supports it is the fact that she was ready to abandon her family to pull that off.
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>>5571070
>I just don't believe she has gender dysphoria. The only thing that supports it is the fact that she was ready to abandon her family to pull that off.

so he'd be legitimately trans if he didn't abandon his family and shrugged off the dysphoria and died a family man/husband?
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>>5571064
Well if they wanted to be turned into a cute little girl, fine. That happens. However, childhood has a finite timespan which is part of why people call the little girl thing bullshit. "Oh, I want to be a kid forever and have everyone else take care of me and do what I want." Yeah, everyone wants that. It's not going to happen.

Asking to be a little girl forever is a lot different from asking to be a female and go through the natural progression of your life.
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>>5571051
Given the claim that many transitioners are AGP, I think those would still say yes. I think the only people who would say no are normal cis people, non-binary trans people, and people with a crossdressing fetish that isn't complete AGP.
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>>5571112
I don't know, and I don't get your point.
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>>5571130
I'm not going to pretend that non-binary trans is a thing or that I know what that means. It sounds like bullshit to me but hey, that's just one opinion. In any case I guess my point is sure, maybe the person is legitimately trans but... as far as I can tell trans has nothing to do with age. You can have a feeling like "I wish I experienced my youth as X" but if you're trans you should be moving forward. Even if you transition to being a younger person which I think is a retarded scam no one sane should support, you should progress from that state at a regular rate.

How long has this guy been doing this? I'm going to stop pretending he's a legitimate trans person and just call it bullshit. If he's doing the shit for 2, 5, 10 years without progressing beyond "little girl" then that's clearly bullshit and an immense disservice to the trans community.
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>>5571163
>If he's doing the shit for 2, 5, 10 years without progressing beyond "little girl" then that's clearly bullshit and an immense disservice to the trans community.

if he did and was one of those really loud trans types and still doesn't pass, you'd still claim he's just a straight guy
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I think many trans-people have an issue with stefonknee because her story is ao close to their own that it makes them uncomfortable. Truth is, the adult baby fetish and AGP are VERY similar tl each other. It's all emasculation, and those who are confusing the feeling of extreme emasculation with womanhood, thus a strong identity is built off of this unconsciously.
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>>5571030
Endocrine, neurological abnormalities.

Kids can't help it if they got pickled in the womb by estrogen. They suffer from body dysmorphia.

It's simple if you stick to what medicine is saying.
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>>5571196
I don't typically like loud people. Are you saying he's a transbian? I don't really know the details, just the general story he ditched his wife and kids to dress like a little girl.

I find transbians pretty fishy though. It all seems a little too convenient...
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I know enough Stefonknees who actually pass but no one gives a fuck about them. Instead they are given money and people fap to their porn pics. They won the genetic lottery so good for them.

Only hon-tier Stefonknees will make headlines because that's what sells, baby. A creepy ugly masculine middle aged man in a diaper holding a doll talking about how he left his wife and children to pursue his "true" goal.
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She transitioned so she could get dicked at clubs by her adopted daddy like any other normal six year old. I knew she was just a creepy fetishist as soon as I saw her first interview when she started talking about how exciting it was when she had guys asking "can I kiss you while wearing this dress?"

He also didn't just ditch his family, he emotionally abused them and made their lives a misery.

http://www.theheartradio.org/episodes/howtobeaprincess
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>>5571217
Do you even know what any of that means? Are you aware that medical practitioners regularly write shit on paper that makes no sense because that's what looks convincing?
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>>5571163
>I'm not going to pretend that non-binary trans is a thing or that I know what that means.
I mean, it may not be "legit" in that it's caused by "brain sex", we really don't know yet. I'm just using it to describe people who want to be a girl, but also want to be a boy. Like the guys over in /femgen/.
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>>5571279
xD
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>>5571279
Pretty sure they don't write "shit that makes no sense" in actual academic papers. And sure, doctors are human, they make mistakes, some are even biased. But jumping to the conclusion that the research is invalid, without having any kind of refutation or evidence of your own, really isn't strengthening your position.
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>>5571280
I think the guys in femgen just want to milk the gay equivalent of the female reproductive strategy. If you assume in the default arrangement that women want to use their attractiveness to secure providers, I'm sure it's the same with femgen. I haven't seen any femgen posts by the fems that were like "I want to work a hard job and provide for my family" they all seem to be "I WANNA GET DRUNK FOR FREE AND FUCK AT THE CLUB" like any retarded woman.

If you want to be a slacker, gay, and treated like a princess you pretty much have to capitalize on that young age and feminine appeal. That's nothing to do with brain sex or "non-binary" that's just fucking lazy. lol
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>>5571345
A good chunk have body dysmorphia and don't want male secondary traits to the point a third of them have chemically castrated themselves and another third want to.

That sounds suspect.
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>>5571345
>I think the guys in femgen just want to milk the gay equivalent of the female reproductive strategy. If you assume in the default arrangement that women want to use their attractiveness to secure providers, I'm sure it's the same with femgen. I haven't seen any femgen posts by the fems that were like "I want to work a hard job and provide for my family" they all seem to be "I WANNA GET DRUNK FOR FREE AND FUCK AT THE CLUB" like any retarded woman.
You're pretty much describing the submissive social role in a relationship, which exists in normal gay couples anyway, you don't have to be a femboy to do that. That's why "gay death" (losing your looks) is such a big deal. But femgen goes a bit further, they do generally prefer the submissive role (because for whatever reason, femininity and being submissive go together), but that's not their defining characteristic. Plenty of ordinary, male-presenting gays are like that, /femgen/ however basically want to look like girls, some even start HRT. But they don't identify as women.
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>>5571200
full-blown classical AGPer here. I disagree with the emasculation fetish interpretation, and that there's a significant overlap between babby fetishists and agp fetishists (if that's what you were implying)
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>>5571377
>>5571398
My instinct is that gays mimic a typical mild or noticeable dom/sub arrangement because that's typical from straight relationships. Sexual dimorphism makes that basically the standard, even though there are exceptions where the female partner is dominant.

I think getting HRT and minimizing male traits is just a factor of getting an edge in that market. Females are typically associated with maintaining youthful looks for a longer period of time. I imagine a femgen hitting estrogen has a longer shelf life than an all natural twink.
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>>5571030
>If Stefonknee actually passed as a pretty girl, would you guys still throw a shit fit

Not nearly as much, becuase, frankly, this is about suceeding at life and your choices, not trans/AGP/freakishness. Look at thiese pictures. One of them is someone succeeding, visibly succeeding, at pushing boundaries of sexuality and expression. the other one is a creepy psychopath without the selfawareness to understand how uncomfortable he's making everyone he meets.

Effort counts- success counts. that's the real world, and that's why the one on the right have a retirement account and a business plan and the one on the left is couch surfing and on welfare and it's ABSOLUTELY OK to judge them for that.
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>>5571030
>What's the difference between AGP male crossdressers and "real" transwomen

A real trans girl feels extremely uncomfortable in their male body and having male hormones to the point where it makes them suicidal and depressed. A real trans girl is not able to live 40+ years as a male without killing themselves. Every single late transitioner is a fetishist with 0 exceptions. It doesnt matter if they were the ones who championed rights, it doesnt change the fact that if you have gender dysphoria so bad that you need to change genders there is NO FUCKING WAY you can handle living 40+ years without hormones.

Most late transitioner hons are usually middle aged men going through a mid life crisis that have a cross dressing fetish.
>middle aged man
>have a really stressful job
>have all these kids that i decided to have but now i have to work all the time to provide for them
>what if i didnt have to deal with all this stress all the time
>what if i was a little girl instead
>il even get a fake vagina so people think im legit

You can tell someone is a fetishist when they want srs lol. Only hons are delusional to slice up a penis for a fake vagina.
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>>5571279
Do you even know what any of that means? Are you aware that shitposters regularly write shit on posts that makes no sense because that's what looks convincing?
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>>5571030
>What's the difference between AGP male crossdressers and "real" transwomen?

Level of delusion. One knows they're playing make-believe; the other refuses to accept it.
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>>5572246
>mfw the first season of that show was so promising
>mfw the 2nd season was completely ruined by random magic shit that didnt even make sense inside its own universe.
god dammit
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>>5572256
I didn't even watch it. I just like shrugging animu grills.
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>>5571878
>one is succeeding, the other is failing

It doesn't matter if they're succeeding or failing. They're both transwomen aka males with weird fetishes.
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>>5572300
>All medicine is a fetish!
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>>5572134
>You can tell someone is a fetishist when they want srs lol. Only hons are delusional to slice up a penis for a fake vagina.
i cant tell whos trolling who anymore.jpeg

you faggots always say the opposite, that NOT wanting srs makes you agp etc
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>>5572348
>agp
if you were a fetishist trying to convince people that you were trans you would want a fake vagina.

the non op agp meme is just something delusional hons tell themselves to make them think they are TRUETRANS and REAL WOMENZ for slicing up their penis.
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wtf is agp?
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>>5573355
Then that means Stefan knee is trans. He's keeping his dick
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>>5571051
Why would anyone say no?
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>>5573762
Autogynephilia.

What's Autogynephilia? Practically anything the speaker wants it to be, at this point.

Discredited though it be, Blanchard's typology birthed this meme-word, and its popularity is going strong.
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>>5572256
That what you get for letting the fanbase get to you after they bitch and whine for trying to do something different.
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This is what the average trans person is like. Its perfectly natural. Stefoknee most likely was abused as a child which leads her to also be transchild. It's part of play therapy. A majority of trans people are very much like her, myself included
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>>5573902
it was just a remake of wing anyways
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Ugh. I wish people could learn to differentiate. I don't want people to think I'm some perverted man. Granted I don't look like a man but still. I don't consider AGP people to actually be trans. They are fetishists. I feel my oats when I'm naked but I'm not turned on by my body or any other woman's body.
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>>5571030
Real trans people will literally cut their shit off the second they get the chance. Crossdressers are just that. People who like to pretend.
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>>5571046
Presenting, 'her' pinterest page:
https://www.pinterest.com/stefonknee/
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>>5571030
Damn, girl on the right is hot
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>>5579174
Bailey jay
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>>5571163
>>5571280
>>5571398
>>5571494
Hey so I'm non-binary and have been out about 8 years. Non-binary Trans femme to be exact. I work and align myself with trans women and women with trans experiences but I myself don't necessarily feel the need to attach myself to womanhood to validate how I feel or act, I only use femme sparingly but rather take my gender affirming childhood and early GID diagnosis to be the basis of my politics.

Still I am trans, I just don't think I care so much about having people see me as or just like a cis woman. My transness is valid enough desu.

Though I'm also androgynous, had gynecomastia before sparse facial hair and have been surrounded with trans and queer people online and irl for 10 years so that really fucking helps.
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I think Stefonknee has OSDID where you at times can not be your self you don't fell like your self any attempt to fell or act like your self can case pain and in some cases blackouts. or she had a mental brake down. Some transgender women want or have a need to be a little girl. where some transgender men want to be a father. if your a libel boy and know that your truly a girl you will emanate any girls around. you sill see them as perfect something that you should be. with girls they look to masculine father figure older men someone that is strong.
I have a light case of OSDID , OCD I tried to commit suicide at the age of 7 i was so F*** up i was convinced that i was my own stepsister and that my step brother stolid my body . my parents thought i fell on the knife i lied to them it was not lintel years later i told the truth. My older cousin she let me war her clothing she was 12 at the time at times i wish she had her old close she had not the large lose clothing made fore a teenager, I want to be a little girl only so i can regrow up the right way. If medical science can fix my gender 100% i think i will not truly fell my self unless i get turned into a little girl i grow up as one. but there is no way i would do what Stefonknee is doing. she must have had a F up child hood to be as bad as she is.
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AGP is all about sexual arousal from being a girl
while you can live rather comfortably as a man (even if not conforming to most male gender norms)
http://www.genderpsychology.org/autogynephilia/
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>>5573803
>He's keeping his dick
not out of choice.

Everyone who gets srs is a fetishist, not everyone who is a fetishist gets srs.
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>>5579661
being born with missing body parts or mutated parts including hermaphrodite is called Birth Defects. but if it as a 100% gender flip its called a Mental Illness. sounds like some made up bull to me. The only Mental Illness is cased by stress do to the Birth Defects.
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>>5579548
>>>/tumblr
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>>5579174
>girl
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>>5579608

>tl:dr I'm a fucking psycho
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>>5573875
D E L U S I O N A L
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LUSIONAL
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>>5573875
>Discredited though it be
You have to have ungodly levels of denial to come to this board and say AGP has been discredited.
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>>5583427
Blanchard's specific definition certainly is; the more general usage here on /lgbt/ probably has some merit to it, though.
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>>5583427
The first thing that comes up on google when you search Autogynephilia .
("Autogynephilia" is a sex-fueled mental illness made up by Ray Blanchard. Blanchard defines it as "a man's paraphilic tendency to be sexually aroused by the thought or image of himself as a woman.") MADE UP! . IT dos not come close to being a Theory . A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something based on a body of un changing facts. IF AGP was real it would be on a case by case basis Ray Blanchard passably has AGP and consider that everyone is the same as him. not everyone has white skin blue eyes not everyone is some carbon copy clone of someone . not everyone will have some if someone thinks difrent than you dos not make it a mental illness. AGP is made up. just as made up as someone liking a different color than you. omg she likes the color glue she must have a color-fueled mental illness because she like the color blue the color blue. women used to be put in hospitals less than 100 years ago here in the usa because some Quake made up bull shit and said any woman that was free thinking was mental illness. this is the same shit MADE UP!
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>>5583685

kek
the butthurt is palpable.

anyway Blanchard is dead on, just look at the pron market, traps and dickchicks are easily in the top five for popular fetishes.

>tl;dr AGP is real now and forever
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>>5583763
You clearly have no idea what the word you're using means, and that makes this extremely sad.
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>>5583685
we'll just forget that you skipped a few entries to find a hugbox site ;^)
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His insanity is on more flagrant display, while most trannies acknowledge they are insane, but try to hide it, or at least obey some convention of societal norms, instead of: So long family, I'm off to be the little girl, good luck not being the laughing stock of your school and killing yourself by age 20 kiddos!

The real question is, what kind of demented couple allows a fifty year old man dressed as a little girl into their home to play with their daughters?

Chances are shit has already happened and they don't want media attention about it.

If a 50 year old man dressed as a little girl comes to your house asking to "play with your daughters", you call the police or you shoot him dead right then and there.
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>>5579548

Doesn't that just make you a noncommittal transsexual though? I don't understand the point of labeling it with something like non-binary. It doesn't seem like non-binaries need to be labeled by what they've achieved, because they're labeled by what they haven't achieved.
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>>5583763
But those are masculine guys who are into it.

Doesn't explain why it's faggot twinks who are the ones taking hormones.
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>>5583794
>a man's paraphilic tendency to be sexually aroused by the thought or image of himself as a woman

A G P

what's the matter psycho trannie?
>problem.jpg
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>>5583943
And that has what to do with medical conditions? Please, stop telling the world about your pathetic fetishes.
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>>5583763
ARE you just plain stupid ? just because people have a fetish. dos not make the people that do not in any way have the same fetish but are stuck in the wrong body as proof that they are mentally ill. LOOK at star wars you do not call a Star wars fan mentally ill. but there is a huge Star wars geek fetish. not everyone is in to it but still like it. the same with TG fetish it has a large % of the market by what you say. jusr because someone has a fetish dos not mean you have it to. The majority of people that look at that are not transgender. they may like to imagine being in a other body. but they do not hate their body they are in.
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>>5583893
And this is why aliens do not come out in to the public and wave to everyone and say yep we are real. Don't judge a book by it's fucking cover. Tell them that your daughter is not emotionally developed to be friends with another little girl that is in the wrong body do to a birth defect. She might have nightmares thinking she will wake up as a boy or something.
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