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You are gazing at a badly drawn picture of what you'll never be.
I'm seriously tired of the rampant autism posters like pookie/frog/yume shitting up and making these generals. None of you are funny and you're all going to be dead before you hit 25 so please hurry and kill yourselves.
Well i'm not feminine at all sadly ;_;
I think at least I dunno
>White pride edition.
I have to confess, this was a funny title.
Is it so wrong to transition into the 8 years old japanese girl I am at heart?
the thread is stupid
I am stupid
there's nothing thats ever good
I think I'm going to go back to bed again
i have the strangest feeling... that despite being a tranny
i am superior to all of you
its fucking great feeling LOL
It's not a fetish anon, please be respectful.
yeah but it gives me the ability to have a quality of life way above you fags
while youre busy whining about being gay and shit im using everyone in sight and its so exhilirating
you fuckers even know what catfishing is? manipulation? basic fucking shit
>Doing court appointed community service
>Dude I'm working with offers me a cigarette but I turn it down
>Dude: "Just one isn't gonna kill you"
>Me: "Nah, I don't smoke and I'm on medication that from what I understand makes smoking kinda dangerous"
>Dude: "What medication"
>Dude: "What's that for"
>Me: "Replaces my natural male hormones with female hormones"
>Continue doing our community service while maintaining the occasional small talk
It's kind of sad but that's the closest I've came to coming out to someone irl and getting a positive reaction. I know he probably didn't entirely understand but it made me feel special.
Does my cough pass?
i-im not a slut ;~;
>This thread is stupid.
Stop being stupid!
>Spot the reference.
you don't feel that need because deep down you know you have enough going for yourself to be satisfied. you're only able to now start feeling like being humble because you know it's possible because you're passable enough and happy enough to be in a different category of person than the rest of us misery sulking fucks who secretly think we're subhuman
you are only capable of thinking you're not superior because you actually are. 100% fact.
Sure, just expect a lot of trolling along with the honest critique and do your best to tell which is which.
How can you be a man in charge if you're obviously a bottom bitch by the way you write?
99% of people have a shot. It's all about presentation, people make first assumptions and stick with them, if most of your things are feminine then even if you have a mannish face you can be an ugly girl like me.
As flattering as you may be anon, I really don't think that way. My posts my don't really show it in the past, but I never really thought of myself highly. I felt like I had to defend myself all the time because I was insecure and weak, mostly because of how I thought of my appearance. My defense mechanism was trying to act above others, but it didn't get me too far.
:/ mtfg never changes
>tfw no gf or bf to touch with your cold hands to piss them off
Yeah good point. But that's why I so t even try desu. I know I'm absolutely disgusting looking and will never find a partner. Its on I accept that fact and still remain as happy as I can its not the end of the world to be fugly :P
How do I increase my score on blinq?
I don't want to be hmm
Honestly I think your face is more on the feminine side of the spectrum. It reminds me of many women I've seen irl. If you want to transition, you should do it for yourself though. If you want to hold an arbitrary degree of attractiveness, you might be disappointed.
Maximize your manliness and you too can be like me
You're kind of opening yourself up for the bullying.
Real men give no shits and don't rise to the challenge. They have nothing to prove.
Just something to think about from the resident old folk.
Went to the LGBT center. 1-2 months for hormones. Mom said she disowns me if I start them.
i don't think you realize that
your very thoughts and ultimate decisions that led you to feeling how you do now
are what make you superior. regardless of what you feel and have done, that you've arrived here and that your perspective changed at all
these events are objective proof in their own existence of your superiority.
look at how fucking miserable and deluded everyone else is. youre happy, sane, and not only do you pass but youre attractive by normie standards. most people here would be lucky to pass as just a fugly girl.
recognize your superiority. it's just something you were fated to have. it's not because you did anything or anything happened to you, it's just how events unfolded.
stop that. i'm jealous of you. don't make me defriend you because i like you but envy makes it painful
im lucky that i even got to be friends with you but when you say shit like that it makes me sad
>tfw nearly crashed a car while driving to a cementary
What's happening? Did I miss anything good?
You watchin the debate? My Trump hat comes in next week.
If you're worried about your looks turn off the lights and practice your voicework.
>feminine moans and squeaks
>feel of lacy smooth clothes
Most guys won't really tell the difference at that point.
I'll always reply to your posts pookers!
Yeah that's kinda what I was expecting. Still got a ways to go for my goal weight but I'm working at it
I've always been told that I have my mom's face, so yeah someone telling me I have a more feminine face makes sense. The whole transitioning part it's just to feel comfortable with myself and bc I hate being a guy, not really because I want to look pretty or anything
That's admirable, although I'm not sure if it's advisable. In any case, make sure you have backup plans / enough financial security / living arrangements / etc in case she does decide to throw you out, etc.
>it's just to feel comfortable with myself and bc I hate being a guy, not really because I want to look pretty or anything
This really resonates with me. I really know how you feel for reals.
I'm starting hormones within 1-2 months! I still can't really believe it!!!
Whats minecraft like these days? I kinda want to buy it, havent played in ages
Just make yourself available all the time. Men are primarily opportunistic sex partners. Sure they'll try to impress girls and stuff, but a lot of the time if they're just in the right mood and it's there, they'll go for it.
>tfw my brother used to unironically play minecraft
He played the 9/11 thing off like a boss though.
>lol, New Yorkers can't really be conservative. They're degenerates
>let me tell you about New York values...
I hate the 9/11 card as much as anyone but there's no better time than instances like that.
Still want Cruz as VP because he's efficient with the law better than anyone and then maybe a supreme court seat at the end of Trump's 8th year.
i'm not complimenting you, i'm stating facts that i've learned to recognize from watching people
whether or not you like it or aware of it
youre one of the lucky people fated to be superior.
its solely luck and luck deemed you would be one of the superiors. you've done nothing to become superior, you simply are, as you were born with the capabilities to be so. its always been normal to you, so of course you dont feel special anymore. what's normal to you is extremely special to everyone other than you.
By being a receptive listener, by being very selfless, and by caring.
Also, it tends to help you if you raise your charisma.
I'll be your friend anon.
I've been told I'm very attractive but idk. and I have plenty of anime pics.
I don't have any friends either, would you like to be friends with me?
It's probably just a mexican thing. Always gets all sweaty under that lighting. I'm not even sure why he's there. He just looks like a train conductor for unlimited illegal immigrants.
yes, isn't she great!!
well i wish i had that but honestly if i did
im sure id feel exactly like you do now because i shit on myself 24/7 and it disappoints everyone around me a lot
and idk how not to shit on myself tbqh
Nagato got rather popular after that Haruhi Movie. Enough to get her own spin off manga and tv series.
You are though, it's really a matter of learning to respect yourself. I don't think he's disappointed in you, I know I acted similarly around my ex, and I know he just found it hard to see such a strong disonnect between the person he saw, and the feelings that I had about myself. I'm sure it's similar for you honestly.
I did multiples, couldn't get above a Hmm
I hate myself and wish I was never born but killing myself would just be one more in a long line of awful things that have happened to my parents
So I was on /pol/, shilling, and I see (again) this /polgbt/ thread. This time I wanted to see what the fuck was this degeneracy shit so I came to this board. With just a quick look a question pop in my head.
How the fuck you people live?.
All I saw in this board is people insecure as fuck, complaining about everything in life, just little whiny faggots, especially the trans.
Why just not be normal?, you don't have a family that is suffering because of your shitty choices?
That would be.
>walking up to stop n shop at 10:30pm
>wearing oversized black hoodie, tight jeans, converse
>guy opens the door and holds it "after you ma'am"
>kinda say under my breath "t-thanks"
y-you don't think he was hugboxing me do you? i mean i was pretty much boymode
I'm one of the ones that tend to live something of a normal life. It's a bit of a challenge, but it works out. I work, visit family, have friends and the likes. Most of the people here tend to be young and well... dumb. A lot of them are struggling to find their identity and to incorporate that into their lives as a whole. It's a process and a lot of them degenerate into idiocy (See Kayla) but such is the norm for any of you kids.
I just wanted to address one thing, because of all the threads in this shitty board I decided to post in this one:
You're me, proud men, and I can't fucking understand why you choose to be a ""woman""..Are you mentally ill? why this decision? How do you even sleep at night knowing that you're pretending being something else?.
why do you hate yourself?
oh god. is there a debate going on now? lol
what is he saying?
i loove good makeup days. how did that lipstick i recommended go? did you end up using that one or any others from that brand etc? also is the person cute?!
today was sort of a reflect/alone kind of day for me. it was very good. although i've been listening to this song for too long. http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=_aGK4ysl8RU#Her_OST_-_Sleepwalker
people don't really hugbox irl.
i don't really pass though, i have beard shadow still and i still have like 7 more laser sessions until it's gone
maybe he just didn't look hard enough, and it was dark out so it was probably just a mistake
>tfw this will never happen to me
>tfw i'm the one holding doors open for people
Went back toy friends apartmenr for drinks. This is a big coffee mug. It could fit my entire beer.
Idiot. If you don't transition how do you plan to make it into the upper ecchlon when the jewish nwo reveals itself and declares genocide on white men that shitpost conservative memes on the internet.
>I was with my ex for 2 years before we weren't able to handle my transition anymore
>got bad around the 6 month mark I think
Why do you think that was, what is one way to avoid breaking up?
i really love it!! i've been wearing it pretty much daily although i'm in a pink lip from lime crime today. uhh yeah, I'm totally about this other nyx thing that's like a brown 90s shade too. I'm also having my makeup done professionally tomorrow and i'm super, super excited. it's like a one on one tutorial session with the artist so she's supposed to teach me stuff too.
uhh the guy is cute and shy. he's in an open marriage so i'm a little wary cause that's not really my thing but idk i just want someone to cuddle rn
yeah sorry, i am
stop now before you cant enjoy or even realize you have things youve always wanted. im serious, so many of you rob yourselves of the ability to enjoy life. i did too and its not fixable. bye
Grow it or you'll regret it later. The only thing holding you back is yourself. Go to a hugbox for a while and build some confidence. You need to get past anxiety to have any chance at a happy life.
Well you aren't wrong.
Not trolling, I really don't know what happens in your minds to make a decision like this one.
Not answering memes.
But this is really what you want? Don't you think you can treat this "desire" to be a woman? I mean, come on man, do you really want to become a "woman"?
It's just nuts.
>not being a manly man and proud of it
me pre-hrt btw
can we not with the responding to trolls? thx
oo very cute very cute!! where are you getting your mug done?
girl ima pray for u...
>tfw no madoka to wear cute sweaters and go to starbucks with
>really what you want?
I can't go on living the way I was raised. I can feel it eating me inside. Lying, hiding all the time! I feel like a criminal! I finally told someone (straight guy) the truth and it felt so freeing that I realized I've been denying the truth for so long.
Well it's time for the truth to have it's day
He hates me for it
Respecting myself is difficult.
I'm a tranny with a body I don't feel comfortable in because it's too big.
Everytime someone says I look fine, I cringe because I don't see that.
All I see is some gross person.
At this point, I wish I could just die in my sleep.
At least then I wouldn't feel guilty
Living for someone else is a good way to not care what happens to you. Don't live to make your parents happy, live because it's the human thing to do. I used to be like you but once I started caring about me and found what I liked things were a lot easier.
You do have it in you, everyone has it in them. It will not kill you, even if life throws shit at you you can still try to survive and get your bearings and then you can persevere. If you want to be a girl tomorrow the first step begins today, you need to seek out a path and take it.
I agree with the suicide anon and dropped my trip for a few reasons. I've been thinking about it for months now. there is no bright future just ridicule and self hatred for being a mutant cavetroll, I started writing my self indulgent note explaining why I'm checking out. just value what you have instead of "oh that can't why woe is me I'm the manly man getting pc hugboxed"
That's actually a tough thing to answer. I will only speak from my personal experiences. That is, a natural inclination to have acted as such from the get go. A fair number of us (Such as myself) try playing it off and try living a normal "guy" life. but find that it's impossible to do so. Through therapy the realization of what one is helps to give words to the awareness. The little bit of awareness you personally have that you are male, is the opposite in most trans folk. That is, that little awareness says "I am girl" and nothing can change that unfortunately. From there, dysphoria comes into existence for some. Others live in an in between state, still others transition.
But the decision comes after a long series of debates and the final decision to act on it in order to find a form of self peace.
Oh dang, my next cosplay is gunna be really expensive x.x its over $300 close to $400 for all the stuff and that's before the hotel and conference tickets costs ;~;
Pic related is what I'm gunna do
>He hates me for it
iktf :/ i made my best friend hate me because of how depressive i can be
i am completley unable to respect myself and any kind words feel totally hollow because i dont believe i look fine either.
i want to die too... but i hope you can be happy :l
But you can't fight the "way you was raised"? Because, to a problem, exists a dozen different solutions but changing you (permanently or not) to become the opposite sex, it's a solution to something?
That would be?
my friend is an aesthetician and got me a session with her friend for christmas, i totally cried when she gave it to me lmao.
>girl ima pray for u...
ikr? he is like 6'3" soooo
are there any boys in ur life lately? whatever happened with cam guy?
anyone who wants or needs to chat is welcome to add me on skype at thinkingprincess
You are not a worthless waste. You're not static, you are constantly changing, why don't you accept that you can change for the better? Why exactly do you want to die? Because you'll never pass? Contrary to what people here think if you've been transitioning for a while even if you are the ugliest beast you will still be a feminine one. You can find a place safe from ridicule, and once you feel stable you can actually start building yourself a nice place in society. With a job and money and things, as a woman. You will die don't worry, but there's no need to rush. Why not just look around a bit more and see what the world has to offer?
I know it's hard. It's a lifelong process, and almost no trans girl seems to get to a place where they're fully comfortable with themselves. You're a strong person, you've gotten this far, and this really is the part that is the final push. Take what other people say about you and see you as to heart, it's what the rest of the world sees, even if you don't.
C-can you post a pic so I can hugbox you? o.o
The way I was raised isn't what I'm fighting. It's the emptiness I feel, the overwhelming disgust with my gender. The repression inside that I wake up to every fucking day! That's what I'm trying to cute.
Yeeeah I saved it from lolg and most of their pics are kinda lewd. Here's a better one.
Yeah, but I try to off set it a bit. I admit it's less severe these days since I started transitioning.
Yeppers. Specifically battle bunny riven. Buying a replica of her sword is the most exepensive part.
Idk if I'll ever be happy.
I work with this older guy named Jeremy and he suffers from severe depression.
And the only thing keeping him to this world his wife and pets.
I feel the same way and that happiness just wasn't mesnt for me
uhh just different interests
I really didn't want to be with a cis girl because of jealousy issues lol
there was other issues not related to me being trans idk
If you two communicate a lot you'll get through it !!
>tfw no gf to hit me every time I go on about not passing or being a manbeast
>tfw no gf to force me to shut the fuck up with threats of violence
Its the easiest to cosplay desu. And I picked her cuz we're both /fit/ brown girls. Tbqh I like the attention even if it is irl hugboxxing. Its a nice feel good feeling even if its all lies.
aw that's awesome!! well i hope it goes well. also idk. i just couldn't with a guy who was committed. cause it just...wouldn't go anywhere, and i'd prob catch feelings and then bam. that's too much for my frail soul. lol
i always have a few boys in my life including the cam guy(s). i'm just not really thinking about it too much because if i start to date i'll get distracted.
Cosplay has got to be pretty much the easiest place for trans people though, I'm guessing. Even if you're not passable or it's just not working that day, then you can just say you're doing a genderbend cosplay. Genderbent cosplays are so popular that people will just think you're cool.
Failing sucks but failing with a safety net is better than failing and hitting rocks.
Pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post. I do cringe a bit when I get sir'd but i have to suck it up, I'm still way too early in transition to get ma'amed (no matter how much I wish I were)
The only good news is that the anime con won't happen for 5 more months so hopefully by then hrt will have done its thing a bit. (I'm hoping at least ;~; )
I'm kind of happy you disagree with me. Though to be fair, I have no intention of ever getting it lobbed off. It does put more problems on the table. But then, those problems have always been there, they are just less than the problems that come from the sense of conflict that arises from within the head.
To be fair though, I don't ask for people to believe as I do. All I ask is that they understand where I am coming from. I can respect understanding each other even if we disagree. I frankly don't want to convince others to accept me or anything like that, I just want to live my life and that's it.
It has an end even if you can't see it. I speak from my own experiance. You cannot end your suffering unless you activley improve your enviornment. Get to a place where you feel like you're going somewhere. For me it was just hormones that helped me, partly because of the psychological effects and being able to know that my body is slowly becoming feminine was enogh to shake me from that state. You may be the same, but you will never know if you die tonight.
Well best of luck anyway. I remember back in my teen days I was mistaken for a girl a couple of times. It was flattering but embarrassing. I used to think there was something wrong with me but then it turned out I was just a late bloomer. :D
No one should kill themselves though that's my thing. We'll see the technology get better and better with time. Chin up and all that.
so i was talking to my mom the other day, and she told me that i should possibly look into moving to Colorado, around Boulder. i was looking at pics of it, and it seems so pretty, and possibly a better fit for me than Portland in Oregon.
does anyone have any experience living, or being in Colorado? i'd love to hear how it is, or if you liked it, or if it's horrible etc. t-thanks!
Maybe it doesn't seem that way right now, but you will be happier if you get clean. When you're in that cycle it's impossible to imagine life without them, but life can actually be something.
The harsh reality is, nobody here will ever be cis. However, you are a woman, and you have the whole rest of your life ahead of you. I just hope that someday you find a way to see what other people see.
I'm not going to die tonight, I'm going to persist for the foreseeable future unless something really lucky happens and kills me
Well, I'm an engineer not a psychologist but I just want to point that "changing" sex it's not the only solution, fuck, I really doubt it is a solution by itself.
My advise, don't fall to the "be yourself" meme.
>they are just less than the problems that come from the sense of conflict that arises from within the head.
That's like shooting your feet because you don't want to feel more pain in your broken arm. It's not a solution to anything.
Anyone else only hanging around here because /socialaxniety/?
I only find myself shitposting too and I don't even like any of the new trips.
nail on the head girlfriend
same with shitposting and not liking any of the trips for me
Think about it like this:
You were raised as a girl and socialized as a girl, but you are a guy. You were made to act and be one way but your brain suggests otherwise. All you are doing is changing the outside to match the inside. The transgendered persons brain is wired according to the gender that they feel they really are.
To kind of back up that statement...
The comparison you make kind of doesn't work because it's not making a new problem to solve another one, it's solving the problem by putting the body in concordance with what ones brain is. That's all.
Oh so you're a guy? Yeah im not gonna kill myself. Besides being a disgusting unpassing trans freak my life is fairly good and I'm relatively happy. I mean hopefully hrt can do something with my face, if not ffs is always a thing.
I just avoid everyone except my family and gf tb-h. I like talking to other people irl but I find myself stressing out over petty things and being afraid. Even when nothing happens I feel depressed and want to go back home for some reason.
How do you deal with yours? Would you say it cripples your social life or is it a lighter case for you?
You really misunderstand gender dysphoria. The human brain is a little ball of disgusting mystery. Some people feel the most pure desire to be seen as women and we don't know why. All we know is that transition is the only relyable way for trans people to get close to mentally healthy as possible, but dysphoria brings a lot of other diseases like depression and anxiety. This is because there are people that think there's some hidden magical solution that can fix trans people without letting them correct their body.
>I just avoid everyone except my family and gf tb-h. I like talking to other people irl but I find myself stressing out over petty things and being afraid. Even when nothing happens I feel depressed and want to go back home for some reason.
i'm exactly the same. no more needs to be said than what you already did
>How do you deal with yours? Would you say it cripples your social life or is it a lighter case for you?
yes, it does. i don't have a social life at all because crippling anxiety and the only reasons i go outside are for business and things like doctors appointments.
i do too, but i feel like i never will be able to, either.
>tfw no one from mtfg lives in CO
is this a negative, or an incentive to move there?
>tfw undertale gives you the feels but you have no determination irl and now you're depressed
>and the only reasons i go outside are for business and things like doctors appointments.
Fuck, exactly the same for me. If you have any people close to you how do they feel about you being so introverted?
My parents urge me to go out if you can believe it and my gf has anxiety too so she usually doesn't stress me too much. More importantly how do you plan to deal with yours? Have you ever considered therapy or forcing yourself to go out and have fun or something?
Yes. I am rolling around on pol, using it to connect with others who share my political interests. There were some super cute /polgbt/ comics so I came over here to see what all the fuss was about.
Life is pretty good though, yeah. Trans, cis, boy, girl whatever, it's all pretty much the same when you pet a caterpillar or look at a flower or whatever.
You might not want to share your political views or mention you're a guy while you're here. The last ones all turned out to be massive pieces of shit and were consequently chased off. But glad to hear it. Sadly most of the girls here aren't very happy so its refreshing to see another happy person.
I love in Colorado. Colorado Springs to be exact. I think Aife lives in the Springs as well. I wouldn't recommend the Springs, it's a shit hole filed with awful idiots. Denver is a lot of fun, but expensive. I've been to Trinidad a few times and I wouldn't recommend that "city" either.
I live around portland so I could only give you reasons not to move there, which is the opposite of what you're looking for
It's not exactly a choice, there's three options
>pretend to be normal, depression worsens, kill self
>try to transition and end up failing, kill self
>try to transition and succeed, win
It's a two-out-of-three chance of failing, why pretend to be normal when the worse-case scenario when trying to transition is just that things stay the same? Might as well try instead of repressing it and killing myself later anyway.
i used to think aife was alright until she started using me to shit talk ufufu. not talked to her since.
frog don't u live in cali or s/t lol
it just looks pretty there. my step aunt lives there and i think she likes it as well. from all of the vids and stuff i was looking at it seemed like it had the nicest summers, the most things to do (both regarding exercise as well as going out), it's fairly liberal, and it has things like recreational marijuana and stuff. it seems more grown up than Portland. i don't really see any negatives, but i haven't been there yet, so that's why i ask.
i would be living in either Boulder or Denver!
i would love reasons not to move there actually lol
I read the article. I suggest you to google and read my article now.
>Power failure: Why small sample size undermines the reliability of neuroscience
I have more but this one is ad hoc to the one you posted.
>your brain suggest otherwise.
Nah, this is mambo jambo shit. You have control of your brain and have all the capabilities to fight even the "way you was raised"
My comparison stands.
>All we know is that transition is the only relyable way for trans people to get close to mentally healthy.
Gonna need fucking proof of that. If you ask me, they are getting close to mentally unhealthy.
they hate it, and urge me to go out too but i'm all too good at coming up with reasons why i shouldn't when i really do want to go out and do stuff, i just feel like its ultimately pointless because at the end of the day, even when things do happen, i feel empty and the same as before.
>More importantly how do you plan to deal with yours?
i've been planning on killing myself for a while after seperating from my family for a while, idk.
>Have you ever considered therapy or forcing yourself to go out and have fun or something?
i've been going to a therapist but i feel no different, im simply telling someone things i already knew about myself with no change
i can't have fun when i go out so no
you sound resentful that im in a diaper and you are not
I hope you enjoy it there. I wish I still lived in Denver. I'm thinking someday soon I may manage to move back there if I find a better job.
It's always a choice (and a bad one), you're already assuming that the key to "happiness" is changing sex and that is not true. I repeat "becoming" something you're not will only bring more problems.
Remember, we're not slaves of our brains, our brains are the slaves of ourselves.
You're pretty stupid aren't you? You don't have the ability to think yourself out of mental problems, and you do not have the ability to know what you weren't taught. Just like you can't magically think yourself into not feeling pain. That's not how the brain works.