>>5540245 I'm so sorry. I wish things could be different.
I'd transition, but my family is ultra-conservative, and I don't even have the money for medication anyway. Also, it's not even that great, as I wouldn't even look anything close to a woman and I'm 20.
Hey fuck you. A lot of people repress hard. Some people try to die honorably instead of dying as a freak. A lot of people look at the military as an easy way to die and not bring their family shame for being a tranny.
>mfw my aunt said sons who look like their mothers are luckier and said I must be lucky. >mfw I used to think I was lucky and smart, now the smartest conclusion I've been lucky enough to come to in my entire life is I'm stupid and unlucky. Or at least, I'm stupid enough to negate all of my luck. >mfw before HRT, she definitely would not have mentioned that I looked anything like my mother.
>>5542756 Americans don't really die much. We have so much better equipment, intelligence, and have more soldiers. The whole war thing is just a show so we can feel like our military efforts are necessary and justified. If you want to die in combat join a gang.
>>5543627 This can't be a serious question, given your ready access to a wealth of trans info on page fucking one.
But I'm in the mood to get trolled. Living in opposition to your gender identity sucks. It sucks to varying degrees, but in most case the suck gets worse over time and the gender identity doesn't budge. "Gender dysphoria" starts at irritation, and works its way up from there. The upper limit remains theoretical, because human beings can commit suicide. That happens a lot, although modern treatments, more access to information about trans issues, and decreasing societal hostility are doing wonders.
>>5543627 Choosing a different sexual orientation (>implying) isn't likely to do much to address gender dysphoria. If you hate your body, chances are you're going to hate your body whether you are fucking guys or girls.
The "in the military" part makes things difficult obviously. (I really hope the military fixes its trans policies soon.) If and when you get out of the service, you'll have more options. What I'm doing personally (I'm 29 as well; I started about eight months ago) is hormones, facial hair removal, etc, and presenting myself as female to the extent I can online, but continuing for present in person as male (breast growth is pretty easy to conceal) for the foreseeable future. (Hopefully not forever.) It's a path to consider, at least.
>>5543918 I'm actually in the position of looking for advice on the subject of breast-disguise. I can't begin presenting as female at work for a few more months due to (reasons), but they're growing much faster than expected. Which is good. But bad. I'm up about 3 inches of bust in as many weeks.
>>5543627 Because gender and sexuality are two totally different things. People don't transition just because they want to fuck guys - and not everyone who transitions is even attracted to their assigned sex.
>>5543972 I'm afraid that's a lot more than in my case (I've had maybe that much in total) so I'm not sure if what I've done will work for you. In any case, what I've been doing is wear a normal short-sleeved T-shirt, and then over that wear a light breathable buttoned shirt or jacket loose over that. My usual posture is leaning forward a bit as well. The idea is to avoid the outer clothes conforming to the shape of the breasts. In your case, you may need additional layers; maybe you could also use something like a sports bra as well to minimize the shape. Beyond that, I'm not sure; honestly, you might want to check guides for ftm breast binding.
>tfw always felt more female than male >tfw growing up in /pol/ worthy family >tfw my teenage years are spent torturing myself with overboard long distance sports >joined the military as early as possible >overly embrace masculinity >leave military and start doing bodybuilding in free time >get a 9/10 girlfriend >still wish I had been born female every single day 24 years old, but my body looks so masculine thanks to both genetics and the shit I've done throughout my life that I would never pass no matter how hard I'd try. Feels bad man.
Don't underestimate hormones, dude. Lotta trannies in this place think people are super observant eagle eyed eyebrow-measuring freaks, but the reality is that only they are like that. And passing is largely a matter of putting the effort in - 'oh it's impossible' is usually just an excuse not to put that effort in.
Plus probably even if you don't pass/aren't the little girl, being on the mones might fix your brain sadness anyway? And some people dgaf and will date you regardless?
If the dysphoria is bad enough that you're on /lgbt/ posting in trans threads, odds are, the feels are gonna get worse over time. If you have the get up and go to do bodybuilding, get a hot girlfriend etc, you could probably smash out the transition process.
>>5546664 I must admit I'm rather uneducated about the exact effects that hormone treatment would have, but simple things like a square jaw, broad shoulders, big hands and then a fucking big ribcage, I just don't see how I could get around that shit. Literally the only thing I have going for me in regard of transitioning is my height, 5'7. But I feel that just makes my male features all the more visible.
All I know is hormones can do some fucked up shit. Modify bone structure and angles of your face and totally change how you look, even after puberty. If you respond well enough to them, a lot of ugly hons scream otherwise, but you are going to look like a girl (in combination with proper hair, makeup, stance, diet, voice, etc). Maybe some hon staring at everyone's brows will clock you or something, but who gives a fuck? Normal people won't.
Sure maybe they'll do nothing, but you can try it out at least and significant numbers of people report positive mental effects simply from being on the mones. Which might be placebo, but also might be actual brain chemistry changes.
Basically, just keep in mind that a lot of shit trannies say is because they are self-hating dysphoric hags continuously shitposting on 4chan because they are shutins. And is therefore inaccurate. You're the only one who can judge your dysphoria and quality of life, but you might be surprised how good it feels to give it a go, even if it ends up not working.
>>5546701 I'll definitely look more into it, I thought I was a completely lost cause. Then there's also the fact that my entire family would probably cut me off if I ever came out, that holds me back quite a bit as well. But I appreciate your reply, thank you very much.
Hey! I just wanted to explain how hormones are likely to impact the physical concerns you mentioned.
>a square jaw Male and female jawbone shapes are actually very similar in most cases, but muscular hypertrophy causes males to have a bulkier jaw. A few months on anti-androgens should soften that substantially, a year certainly will.
>broad shoulders Some of the broadness is muscle. Expect that after a year or two on HRT you would have lost almost half the muscle in your upper body if you aren't trying to actively shed mass. Especially prominent, there are neck muscles that give the impression of bulkier shoulders which are impractical to develop or maintain without substantial testosterone.
>big hands Not much change here. They'll get a bit slimmer from loss of muscle (and some cartilage), and look more feminine from changes in your skin texture (and any work you do on your nails), but their bigness will remain.
>and then a fucking big ribcage This one's pretty set. Growing (or installing) some sizable breasts will do much to offset the ribcage size, at least. Corsets also help.
The biggest thing to remember is that a lot of people - nearly all - report that they didn't realize how negatively this was affecting them until they started trying to do something about it. You get used to depression, dysphoria, don't realize it's there. So if you can hack it, and change things up, it just feels like everything is way better than it's ever been before.
Still might not be worth it. But it's not to be discounted. Anyway, best of luck. Hopefully you work it out one way or another, babe.
What people think of as bone structure is partially muscle and cartilage, both of which change under the effects of hormones, so people's 'bone structure' changes. English language usage > nitpicking garbage.
Pls go back to obsessing about your measurements or something, you disgusting, undateable hon.
I'm cis, and perfectly happy being male. That actually gives me far more of a standard for 'passing' than a lot of trannies, especially since I have enough friends who are actually good at looking at people - models, artists, doctors - to judge how off-base a lot of hons are about the standards for passing. D Y S P H O R I A.
>>5547082 I actually didn't know hormone treatment would have such a big impact, I've tried finding before/after pics to see the effects, but I couldn't really find any proper ones. Thanks for your reply, I don't know a lot about the transition process at all really.
>>5547160 Yeah I can imagine, people get used to a lot of shit. Honestly, the best time of my life was when I was in the military, simply because I was too busy to think about anything other than the work. Every time things slow down in my life, I start feeling like shit because I have time to think about things. I'll look more into my chances of doing a transition, what it would require and consider the impact on my life it would have. Thank you very much.
>>5547444 Also! Also! Laser and electrolysis on your face eliminate the course facial hair. This facial hair is so thick and coarse that it actively pushes your features down, making you look older and more masculine. Without these hairs putting constant downward pressure on your face you will look younger and more feminine as a result. It's not a huge change, but you could definitely tell the difference in before and after pictures. It's why most experienced surgeons opt to wait until after laser/electrolysis to perform FFS. The lack of shadow doesn't hurt either.
>>5547444 >I actually didn't know hormone treatment would have such a big impact
they don't really, these people are just hugboxing you, as a person that's been on hrt for 2 years now the changes it has are REALLY subtle, they will not magically make you a qt slim hourglass figure dainty petite 5'5" anime girl with DD breasts, you will just look like a slightly more feminine version of how you are now, with gyno
No shit. You have to do a whole bunch of shit, the hormones just change the shape of your body and make the other shit actually work instead of turning you into a slim guy.
Claiming it's impossible to look like grill because OMG MAH GENES is classic hon excuses mixed with dysphoria and self hatred. The number one reason for looking like shit after/during transitioning is low self esteem leading you to not try and pretend like things most normal people don't even notice (wimminz can't have shoulders) will cause you to instantly not pass. So you might as well not electro/have shit hair/have shit weight/shit skin/shit makeup, put on a flowery dress that doesn't fit you because 'nothin I ever do will be good enough lol :v('.
Not even mentioning that the effect of mones varies wildly depending on if the correct levels are prescribed and on individual biology. Some people do get little result, some get amazing almost instant results.
Honestly it feels to me like everything you are saying indicates you are not going to be happy unless you at least try. You clearly are not having a great time with your life, however good it is by other people's standards. Even a shit life as a girl might be more tolerable than a 'great' life as a guy. And it's increasingly less shit to be trans, thanks to LGB getting legitimatized and dragging the screaming, wailing T with them.
>>5547837 You are probably right, I should be happy by any objective standard and that's far from the case. I'm just not sure if I could live with it if I lost contact with my whole family and my friends because of this, that's really the main reason I'm holding back. I'm not really sure how much surgery and shit trans people usually get, like a nose job or a brow lift or whatever, but I would definitely put in a fuckload of work if I was to even try becoming female. Including whatever surgery people usually get done, and that I'd feel necessary. I must say I'm very surprised by the reaction from people here, this seems to be the most positive board I've visited on 4chan (I visited this board first time yesterday). I'm really happy about not getting shot down.
>Derogatory term used with regards to late transitioners that are completely non-passing and dress and act like caricatures of women. Often attributable to trans women that seemingly don't do much more than come off as a "man in a dress".
On /lgbt/, also kinda implies a self-sabotaging transwoman. Comes from an old trans forum, where 'you look great, hon!' (as in, honey), was said to people who clearly did not look great.
How much surgery trans people get kinda depends. Often more on the level of dysphoria rather than how well they pass. There's a whole shitton of surgery available though. The two most common kinds are ffs, full facial surgery, and srs, sex reassignment surgery (aka, penis into pseudo-vagina).
Not sure if I can help you with family/friends issue. But... if someone let something like that get in the way of being my family or my friend, I wouldn't consider them family or friend in the first place. If that breaks the bond, i'd have to question the strength of the bond. Or whether i'd want a bond with that person. And sure. That's pretty insulting to your friends and family. But that's how i'd view it. If someone's bigotry is stronger than their friendship, they are not exactly what i'd call a friend.
But like.. that's why this isn't open and shut. You have to weigh the various stuff and come to a decision about which things are more important for you, because it's not just personal factors, there are societal ones, physical ones, etc. Again from what you're saying, though, it sounds like your personal factors (depression, dysphoria) for wanting to change your life are pretty strong.
>>5547962 But I love shitposting that makes unsupportable claims! It's like a drug.
>>5547965 Yeah. It can be tough to figure out family and friends. Knowing my friends the way I do, coming out to them was more embarrassing than scary ("well obviously", and "called it", and "that makes sense", every time. Wish they'd told me it was so obvious back when I was repressing). My parents were pretty scary, especially because I needed to explain a lot of basic things that I take for granted.
I feel like I got very lucky. But if you're sincere, and you approach them tactfully with hope and love, I think most people you'd care about will respond positively.
>>5547837 >claiming it's impossible to look like a grill because OMG MAH GENES is classic hon excuses What? That's not what a hon is. Hons are delusional enough to think they look great, and exactly like normal women when they clearly don't.
>>5548612 It's the hair damn it. I can't wear a wig because it would drive me insane and I don't have the confidence to be bald and beautiful. Transplants would look like doll hair and I would instantly be clocked but goddamn do I want to be a pretty woman. I just am afraid to start and too intimidated by makeup and shit.
>>5550639 I can't wear hats because they make my head itch. Hats. Wigs are nightmare contraptions involving glue and witchcraft and I would go insane wearing them. I have hair on the sides and back and a bald spot up top and super thin hair in front and a massively receded hairline.
>>5550900 I haven't started because I don't want to look like Chris-Chan. My hair gradually thinned out starting when I was a teenager, and I repressed everything and just spent years depressed and suicidal and ashamed. I've wanted to be pretty since I was a toddler but I was bullied so much for being effeminate and a weirdo... You know, the classic hon story.
Have you noticed that all the mtf in mtfg that endlessly obsess over stuff most normies don't notice, and tell people they'll never pass/shit up the thread are unpassable hons who don't even try? There's a correlation there.
>>5543632 >be me, trans >wanted to be the little girl since four >14-18 I had long hair, wore girl's clothes, uber soft features, used to trap on /b/ and other chans >eventually me and ex split and I get tired of it and cut my hair >start lifting and running >join military at 19 >things go well but sports injury, isolation, and boredom bring trapping back >get attention naturally whereas I get zero as a guy >go deeper into it and start taking PM and lose pretty much all muscle mass from a sedentary lifestyle and dieting >meet fiancé who's bi and I tell her I'm trans >super accepting >literally came an inch close to telling my doctor >chickened out >me and fiancé split >gain weight from drinking >rebuild all muscle >be 23 currently on deployment >cut over 40 pounds >trans feels hit like freight train Thinking about just self-medding and not telling anyone. They don't look for it in piss tests and even when I had bitch tits, blood work always came back normal. A year and a half until I'm out for good and can be a recluse tranny.
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