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http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/27104/1/pinkwashed-are-young-gays-selling-out-to-capitalism

There is nothing wrong with becoming part of the mainstream world. Getting out of the closet and not being discriminated is a brand new freedom we have. The author wants us to continue acting like 22 year old butthurt socialists.
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>>5537317
I want to kill those four faggots in the pic so bad, fucking hipster beard-having flannel-wearing trash

Didn't read the article tho
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>>5537317
It's sad there isn't more dicussion along these lines on this forum. Great article, thank you for the link.
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>>5537853
The article is shit. Whiny liberal who thinks the gay community should be his personal Red Army.
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>>5537872

This.

Maybe some gays are tired of being kneecapped by loser-ass socialist fags.
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>>5537884
>>5537872

You where the downtrodden once. Now when your oppressors have found it to be in their personal interest to make a show of seemingly supporting some of you, you spit in the face on your comrades who have been trampled down along side of you and happily join your former oppressors. For this you are traitors. This is cowardly and wrong, but understandable. But do not delude yourself into thinking that you are actually liked and supported - as the article states, arms dealers may wave the rainbow flag but they will still sell the weapons that murder queers; the police will still be violent against them. You are a marketing gimick, a veneer; you are being used to further their ends and once they have no use of you you'll find yourself right back to being oppressed. But who will have your back then, what friends will you have left? Remember what side you are on, for your own sakes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XEnTxlBuGo
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I know the term pinkawashing racially technically applies to the concept of pandering to LGBT by sticking rainbow on everything, the term originated to the same type slacktivism but with breast cancer. It needs a new name.

Also
>Gay conservatives
BAKA Tbh Senpai
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>>5537317
that's how leftists control you. they isolate you, tell you the world will always hate you and that they're the only ones that can help you. they hate nothing more than seeing minorities succeed and become accepted because it robs them of power.
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Well considering it is cis women who control domestic spending and cis women spend 4 times more on themselves than men. Coupled with the fact that cis women fetishize and objectify gay men. It is not gay men who are selling out but rather companies catering to cis women at the expense of gay men.
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>>5537317
Queers, blacks, immigrants, women, etc. basically all those who are considered oppressed are not, and cannot ever be, revolutionary agents for this very reason. All their struggles can and will be co-opted as soon as it suits the powers that be, because there is no inherent contradiction between capital accumulation and having a vagina (or being black or being queer). As soon as it's good business, it happens. The only true revolutionary agents can only be the class that has an inherent conflict/contradiction will capital accumulation; the workers of the world.
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>>5537944
Not everyone is a commie m8.
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>>5538021
You don't have to be. It's about self-interest. If you understood capitalism you would understand that, love it or hate it, it is not a system that can ever genuinely care for queers - or anyone for that matter. It simply is not, for good or ill, designed for caring (right-wing philosophers usually paint this as a good thing, the market as a neutral and value-free place and such). But the system doesn't work for you. It uses you, and you ought to be careful even if you are right-wing.

But setting aside politics and opinion, what about the indisputable facts the article brings up, such as arms dealers in Pride parades? Do you, as the article suggets, just not give a fuck?
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This was already happening after Thatcherism. Why do you think bars started pandering to gays? Economic liberalism leads to social liberalism.
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>>5538058
I'm just objecting to your false narrative that people who supported and pushed for LGBT rights were all socialists.

I didn't even read the article because it was mostly about the UK which I don't give a fuck about.
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>>5538082
bank-sponsored pride events is what made me realize this
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>>5538083
I never supported this narrative. Classical liberals have always been allies, of course, though socialists would claim that their policies hit the LGTB community in practice.

It's not about political parties or ideologies; that's why I didn't link you to the Internationale or some shit but a classical and simple song with a simple question - which side are you on? Are you with your former oppressors, the "fuck you, got mine!" kind of attitude that is bound to fail as soon as the system is done using you? Or are you with your fellows who have suffered along your side? What that means in practice in terms of voting and joining parties is up to you, but always remember to ask yourself "which side am I on?"
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>>5538082
>>5538092

"The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade."
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My country was fucked up by CCCP for 50 years. My grandpa was taken to Siberia and got released after 11 years. What do you think when some people still see Nazis as "liberators" even though they about as bad? People who admire people like Lenin or Marx have no idea what they're doing. Doesn't surprise me it's always either middle-class brats who want to rebel or retarded/totalitarian people who are afraid to take personal responsibility.
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>>5538116
>you spit in the face on your comrades
Well then who was this referring to? Who was betrayed?

>which side are you on?
The world isn't black and white.
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>>5537944

Nice fetish you got there.
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Sometimes it's good to be cautious who funds what and for what agenda. For exaple George Soros can't be trusted, he funds radical feminist movements like FEMEN which spreads misandry among women and he also funds the on-going migration crisis and thinks Europe should have open borders - ironically he comes from Hungary which now has PM who's very much against Soros' ideas.

The writer is wrong though, pink vote in politics is still very strong. Sweden Democrats and UKIP that are labeled as "far-right parties" because of anti-immigration and anti-EU have used it:
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.667637
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/exclusive-nigel-farage-change-ukip-5247000

Interesting thing about UKIP, why did the London Pride ban them?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/pride-bans-ukip-the-gay-community-is-now-as-ignorant-as-the-people-it-once-opposed-10326661.html
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/27/ukip-lgbt-group-marches-at-london-pride-despite-being-banned/
I think it's political play, as Pride has worked hand-in-hand with Labour Party of UK for long time:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/23/labour-win-working-class-voters-ukip

(Sweden Democrats also was banned from Sweden Pride this year, which is why they did that stunt.)
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>>5537944
Fuck off with your identity politics. Unless I'm fucking you I could give a fuck if you're gay.
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>>5538133
Wait, you're not fascist either?

Can we date?
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The irony that Dazed also appropriates LGBT+ issues to force it's agenda of irresponsible liberty without repercussion doesn't dawn on the author? I wonder why.

Dazed really is trash OP, all these kids think they're living art, while in reality they're archetypical of the spoiled millennial generation who can't read the word "me" without doubling back and checking that it being written in lower case is deliberate.

I despise the commodification of LGBT issue, I despise the commercialisation of the once political pride movement, but most of all I despise people who politicise their accidental LGBT+ labelling because they refuse to consider the world outside their own head.

What an infuriatingly self righteous, narcissistic, and irreverent publication Dazed is. Stop reading that shit.
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>>5537944

/pol/lack just popping in to say AHAHAHAHA

>Implying /lgbt/ wants to partner up with a failure of an ideology
>Implying /lgbt/ wants to be on the side represented by old cucks and failures
>Implying /lgbt/ wouldn't rather have a virile Aryan over douchebag hipsters.
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>>5537317
I actually want to punch the one in the middle and the one on the left. I shouldn't feel this way since I'm a faggot but there's something about them that's just so...ugh
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>>5538437
Oh /pol/ you're so big and strong
Just looking at you makes my knees go weak
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>>5538020
Bullshit. Every worker revolution leads to dictators. Venezuela, China, Cuba, the Soviet Union. Workers are inherently selfish and unable to organize. It is easy for centralization to appear when cooperation between distances in our globalized world is needed.
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>>5538133
Marx and Lenin were never dictators. You're describing Stalinism and post-Stalin Russia.
The Bolshevik revolution was beautiful.
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>>5538550
Lenin and Bolsheviks can be romanticized as much and you can think their actions were justified but he wasn't a saint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAUSNNF6-1o

Marx literally said there can't be successful revolution without violence. Even today leftists have this "leftist violence is better" mindset.
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Oh look it's the Islamophobia meme. Let's see what happens in Sweden when the state gets so PC and "progressive" with this "religion of peace" that the police is afraid to tell the truth what happens in the country:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sweden-assaults-idUKKCN0UP1PQ20160112
>"This is a sore point. Sometimes we dare not tell how it is because we think it plays into the hands of the Sweden Democrats," Dagens Nyheter quoted Peter Agren, who was in charge of police at the event in 2014, as saying.
This is exactly why people turn to these parties, because people with common sense can see that this multiculturalism meme just doesn't work yet for some reason the modern left wing wants to keep pushing it. Gays have every right reason to support parties like Ukip. At least Labour has admitted that they were wrong about immigration before and it needs to be toughened.
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>>5538494

No homo /lgbt/

This isn't a flirt attempt, mind you, I'm not gay. But the fact of the matter is that if any disgusting college hipster tries to make /lgbt/ more degenerate by throwing in Socialism, it's the sacred duty of all /pol/lacks--in between purging you degenerates because, once more, we ain't gay--to ride forth and remind you:

>It's National Socialism not Socialism, Hitler and Mussolini not Marx and Engels.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw
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>>5538845
Awe /pol/ you're so knowledgeable!
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I'm no socialist, but the whole "muh gay dorritos" seems a bit tasteless.

But if someone will buy it someone will sell it.
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>>5538953
This is why I support a free market.
Why can't we have slavery and bazookas for citizens?
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>>5538932

H-Hey! No hugging /lgbt/!

Like I said; no homo. We don't even care about you faggots, but we'll be damned before we let some pussy Marxist take you from-- erm, convince you that wasting your life on faggy redstars and bitching about "revolution" is more important than fighting in the coming European Race War!
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The real reason you shouldn't support Tory is because they're Saudi dogs
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>>5538133
>Lenin or Marx
Ask anyone in academics and you'll get pretty much the same answer: these are two different things. You have to separete the philosopher who had theories (mostly about how capitalism works) from the guy who killed a shitload of people partly in the name of said theories (but, under closer examination, it turns out not really). Think of it like this; Pinochet was not the most friendly feller to say the least, but you can't blame Adam Smith for what Pinochet did, supposedly in the name of freeing up markets. Now take someone like Hayek, who actually supported Pinochet. Was that a shitty thing to do? Yes. Does that mean that Hayek's theories on how government invervention in the economy destabilizes it through skewing information which leads to future crisis is wrong? No.

So yes I would agree that people who admire Lenin indeed have no idea what they're going, and mostly likely they've forgotten about (or never even known about) Kronstadt (something I always like to remind college-communists about, if only to watch them squirm). But that does not mean that the basic idea of Marx, that you need to look to economic classes to understand how society words, is wrong. Nor that such an idea necessarily leads you to a shitty CCCP-style government as the various democratic socialist, and to some degree social liberal, movements have proven by just existing.
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>>5538316
If everyone thought like you there wouldn't be a problem. Sadly, they don't, so sexual preference becomes a political problem. If you're lucky enough that this does not affect you, well then good for you. Not everyone is that lucky however.
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I love how literal nazis are more accepted on this site than democratic socialists.
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>>5538932
>tfw /pol/
>tfw no qt affectionate degenerate to cuddle
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>>5541804
4chan is the one place on the internet where people don't suck Sander's cock like a (humorous comparison). Let us have this.
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>>5537944
>arms dealers may wave the rainbow flag but they will still sell the weapons that murder queers
what
>home depot will still sell the knives that occasionally stab homosexuals potentially theoretically possibly and its all their fault

>Remember what side you are on
>KNOW YOUR PLACE FAGGOT LISTEN AND BELIEVE
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I'm so fucking sick of people on the left telling me how I'm supposed to vote because I happen to find penis attractive.

And another thing I'm even more fucking sick of are Palestine-supporters and Islamist apologists getting pissed when people point out that gays are routinely oppressed in the Gaza Strip and that Israel is the only safe place in the Middle East for gays. I don't agree with Zionism, but that's a true fucking statement, and I am not "pinkwashing" anything by standing on the side of gay rights in the face of Islamist ideology. Maybe the Muslim world should stop being so fucking anti-gay and maybe you liberal multiculturalists should stop making excuses for why it is that way. And no, "white imperialism" did not introduce homophobia to the Muslim world, that's a bullshit lie that has been perniciously disclosed in many recent articles and essays
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>>5541941
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AprqBXXPQH8

>>5541973
Read actual article, I will not explain this to you. Basically they sell weapons specifically to government where homosexuality is punishable by death - it's not a happenstance.

>>5542057
This is very concerning to me as a leftist. Somewhere along the line a hardline stance against ALL religious oppression became apologism for religious brutality in the name of tolerance. Leftists do have a point in stating that homophobia and misogyny and such aren't more inherent to islam than to christianity of judaism, but that it is a matter of how these religions are interpreted. But that point does not change the fact that there clearly are powers at play in the middle east that do interpret their religion in a particularly brutal, hateful and violent fashion - and everyone who cares about the lgbt people living in that hell should not have problems with admitting that.

Question for all: if there was an "islamic" country that was islamic in the same sense that, say, France or Denmark are Christian - that is secular humanist, with no violent fundamentalism and a modern/moderate interpretation of the religion - would anyone care? Would people condemn this country as well? If yes, we are dealing with actual islamophobia. If no, we are dealing simply with a rational response from the lgbt community to people who want to MURDER THEM ALL.
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>>5542217
https://youtu.be/euUowNIxYJE?t=27s
pls leave lefty fag
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>>5542217
>Leftists do have a point in stating that homophobia and misogyny and such aren't more inherent to islam than to christianity of judaism

No one is saying Islam is specifically more anti-gay than any other religion, but I am saying that how Islam is currently practiced, it is far more homophobic (and misogynistic and oppressive to religious minorities by the way) than any other faith on the planet. Christianity in the Western world has been neutered, so the anti-gay fundamentalist aspects of it have been excised and it lives in a state of harmony with the LGBT world, whereas Islam is nowhere near anything close to living in a state of harmony with any minority group.

I would never condemn any country that promoted secular values. I don't see many in the Islamic world doing that outside maybe Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey and even then there are extremist groups in all three of those countries with significant power
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>>5542217
You pretty much described Turkey before Erdogan lolololol.
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>>5542276
I amostly agree. Well except some people actually DO say that they are inherently more violent, homophobic, etc. and that this is somehow true of EVERYONE from the region (which includes secularists, christians and yes lgbt-people). I would also add that Christianity in the West has been mostly, not wholly, neutered (consider Christian terrorists such as Breivik and those who burn down abortion clinics) and is far from a state of complete harmony with the LGBT-community.

> I don't see many in the Islamic world doing that
Far, far too few. Look up more info on the democratic forces in Syria, though; the Rojava Revolution specifically is explicitly lgbt-friendly.

>>5542286
>You pretty much described Turkey before Erdogan lolololol.
Purposefully so, I thought of old Turkey specifically, since I'm familiar with the history and enjoyed visiting the place very much. Sadness me greatly that I might not see the country again... Atatürk's vison of a culturall moslem, but modern, progressive and avowedly secular humanist and social democratic state could have stood as a model for every other islamic nation, but instead it eroded over the years and then finally Erdogan came and basically raped it to death.
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So apparently, my only choices are communism or reactionary nonsense?

LOL nah, I'll just continue being centre left and not a political edgelord.
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being gay and wanting to be part of the mainstream is wanting to be part of the system which was shitting on you, and which perpetuates the same dynamic and comits violence against other lgbt groups and other minorities...your buddying up to a blly just becuase your not his target ay more, even though he still bullies others

also the people who can achieve this normal life as gays are usualy white middle class gays who tend to put down other gays who down share in their leave it to beaver fantasy becuase they dont get that there are some of us who cant participate in that
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also i feel like the whole wanting to be normal and mainstream shtick is popular with gays with a lot of internalized homophobia, usualy ironic since it was developed as a defence mechanism against homophobic violence they encountered
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