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Welcome to /femgen/.

This is a place where us girly and qt boys can come and chat about the issues that really matter, such as looking cute, building your self esteem and confidence, finding a qt bf, listening to music, calling each other shit for having different taste, and other crap.

If you think you could make it as a qt3.14 boy, or already are one, come and join in!

Here are some useful links to help you get started:
http://pastebin.com/NjzPGksR

Here is a map of where your fellow posters are in the world, please add to it!
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=793617

Lastly, if you feel like chatting with a femboy, try putting in the tag "/femgen/" on omegle or going to irc.rizon.net at #femgen.
http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23femgen&server=rizon.mibbit.org

Or you can post your Skype, and someone from the /femgen/ Skype group will add you.
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I wish I was born Asian
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>>5535298
mainstream andro fashion when
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>>5535298
Those shoes look awful. The dress is okay.
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>>5535361
It's already here.

>Comme Des Garçons
>Raf Simons
>Rick Owens
>Thom Browne
>Telfar
>Tom Rebl
>Edmund Ooi
>Walter Van Beirendonck
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No no, there is a difference between cutee boys and girls. Boy are still male. I hate this fucking /femgen. That´s shit. Let the cute boys be boys, they already were bullied in school for how they look, don´t steal them they last part, fascist feminists.
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>>5535482
What are you even talking about?
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so what are some traditionally "feminine" jobs that a male would still be able to do well in? the only one i can think of is like, secretary/personal assistant
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>>5535564

Teacher, in a non-collegiate capacity. Though men do run a higher risk with scrutiny at their behavior.

Nurse, if you don't mind being the occasional butt of jokes.

I've seen more female therapists than male, but that might just be coincidence.
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>>5535712
in my experience i've seen plenty of male therapists. i'd say it's probably a relatively even split, maybe slightly female favored

otherwise these are some good ones
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>>5535241
I wish I was born a girl
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>>5535759
Don't we all
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DAILY REMINDER THAT YOU WILL ALL BE MANLY AS FUCK IN A FEW YEARS
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>>5535785

I sometimes wonder whether my discomfort with having my dick handled suggests I'm secretly a repressed tranny.

Then I remember that I'd be even more uncomfortable with a vagina because I don't like things being put into me. Except my mouth. I like suckin' dicks.
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>>5535806
based on what
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>>5535806
>implying were not already on HRT

Kek
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>>5535864
Not him, but based on the fact that you're a man? Also, I thought this was for feminine males. As in, men that are unconventionally feminine. Not straight up women-looking girls.

I like feminine men. But I still like men. If you literally look like a girl, I ain't attracted.
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>>5535810

You could want to be a non-op tranny
Cute and feminine like a girl but still keeping your parts because vaginas(especially artificial ones) are weird/gross
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>>5535810
>I sometimes wonder whether my discomfort with having my dick handled suggests I'm secretly a repressed tranny.

Bingo.
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>>5535482
>Boy are still male
But we're still male and identify as male. Looking feminine or taking stuff to that regard won't nullify that.

It's you and all the feminists who keep insisting were trannies. Don't blame us.
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>>5535806
Daily reminder that you can cheat nature
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Hi femgen, I went skiing today. It was fun.

On topic: what are some cute winter clothes? I'm thinking of picking up some insulated leggings, but what about heavier stuff like a coat?
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>>5537500
Second for skiing. Just got back from Steamboat, CO.
I usually just thermal layer, some cute shirt, and then a cardigan/sweater on top.
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>>5535951
I'm not a tranny, looking like a woman doesn't make me one
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>>5535806
lgbt is basically tranny central at this point. I only visit it every once in a while to see if it's improved, nope.
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Who else here is from the southern hemisphere? =3
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>>5538079
nothing makes you one, the point is feeling like one and trying to get close to it for vanal reasons that help a bit but don't fix the unfixable anything.
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>>5538635
argfag reporting
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>>5538768
brfag here. Not really a femboy, but very into them
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>>5535933


If cuteboys were on Spirolactone aka Testosterone Blockers since a young age they would have a high pitch voice and girly/or androgynous facial features. And would look pretty in pixie cuts. And age like women and not like men.


What a dream that would be...
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>>5538868
you can spike their water with fenasteride
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>>5538868
>And age like women and not like men.
I can't tell if you're being completely serious, but you do realize that most women age are considered to age poorly?

The correct thing to do is to embrace the fact that you're aging. You can stay androgynous forever, but you will not look like a young boy forever.

David Bowie was a good example on how to be androgynous the right way.
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>>5538896
The only reason women age so poorly is menopause.
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>>5538868


are you sure a lot of qt boys would naturally want high pitched voices?
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>>5538896
no menopause on HRT mate, different ageing process
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http://strawpoll.me/6515306

http://strawpoll.me/6515315

daily reminder that almost everyone here is trans
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>>5539295
Won't trans women get to the point where they stop messing?
Wouldn't this cause a pseudo menopause?
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>>5538906
>>5539295
You'll age regardless since you have to die at some point. A lot of you can't accept that for some reason.
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>>5539325
No that's fine. I just don't want to be a balding hairy man senpai. Is that so wrong?
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>>5539333
No, of course not. I mean, look at this hunk. He managed to live through the AIDS era as a (seemingly) bisexual man.

If you take care of yourself and stay healthy you can get far. With or without HRT.
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>>5539356
>relying on genetics to make you age well
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
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>>5539388
You're afraid of balding. I'm not, that's okay.
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>>5536490>>5535518

First of all I do not blame you and I am not saying, that you would be transsexual. My view is this way: Saying that all cute characteristics are feminine is sexism. See, all the gays don´t give a (I am sorry) about cute girls. By boyfriend, who I regard as cute, has the same opinion. He feels like robbed off the credit, you understand?
I think that being cute is a matter of behavior in the second place.
So being feminine does not make you cute, TO me, it´s being a cute boy.
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My pores are huge and I'm covered in acne scars, but at least I have a nice butt.
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>>5535962

Nope. The idea of having a vagina is more off-putting than the idea of having my dick handled.

>>5535951

I don't think I'm feminine for that. I think I could qualify as cute and my boyfriend certainly seems to think I am, but it's definitely more of a boyish cute than a girly cute.
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The wrong side won WW2
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>2016
>not being a cute boy with tits

What is wrong with the world?
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>>5539866
Oh, that make sense.
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>>5541031
see chaver.
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>>5540224
the axis powers could never have fucked up the world more than the allies and communist china did, so yeah I agree
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>>5535241
>>5535759
i wish i were born asian AND a girl
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>>5540443
>tfw i just wanted to be more feminine
>"You won't grow tits if you stay skinny, anon!"
>"They'll barely be noticeable, anon, don't worry!"

>6 months ago


>now
>have to wear oversized sweaters everyday, or a closed jacket or multiple t-shirts so nobody will see my boobs

Fuck you guys.
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the guy in OP's pic is beautiful!!
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>>5546303
Hot.
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>>5546303
P I C S
I
C
S
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>>5546303
>Started at 20 but kept getting scared of them developing
>3 years of going on a few months, off a few, on, and so sorth
>Regret not going all in when I had a good chance
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>>5546376

At least you've got the feminine cats-eye navel.
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>>5546376
You have a better body than me, and you didn't even want it. I hate you and everything you stand for, you dumbass twink.
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>>5546376
Gosh dang those are wonderful. I wish you didn't have to go on hormones to get plump ones like that or I'd get 'em in a heartbeat.

>>5546444
Aren't circle navels the girly ones?
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>>5546515

Maybe? I dunno. I just know that cats-eye are hotter because they imply flat tummy.
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>>5546060
>I wish I was left to die at birth
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>>5546376
if you don't stop they will just continue to grow. so what are you going to do?

or you just another tranny trolling femgen?
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>>5546376
C U T E
U
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E
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>>5546376
What about if you wear a sports bra or gently bind them?
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>>5546793
binding makes them sag
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>>5546646
Honestly i'm scared of stopping. I stopped for a while and i just started hating my appearance, body hair, skin, everything. I'll see where life leads me I guess.
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>>5546861
hrt/e is going to make you FAT too

you're wrecking a good twink body and based genetics

and your dick and balls are going bye bye too

you see any tits on this guy?
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>>5546376
They're tiny So long as you've got an undershirt on, people will probably think it's muscle
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>>5546886
>hrt/e is going to make you FAT too
I can manage my own weight, but thanks.
>and your dick and balls are going bye bye too
They work just fine, but i wouldnt even care that much if they didn't.
>you see any tits on this guy?

No, but he's ugly..
>>5546888
thats usually what i do at my job or other places where i cant wear a hoodie, and just hope nobody touches my chest.
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>>5546799
Sorry, I didn't mean like the hardcore binding ftms do, I meant more like just gently wrapping something to hide your nipples and make your breasts not so noticeable. It doesn't cause damage if it's not really tight correct?
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>>5546886
>fat
Eh, if anything it seems to up metabolic needs. Mtfs always say they have to gorge on food to develop. It isn't a problem when you eat half of what they do.
>and your dick and balls are going bye bye too
Seriously hasn't happened to me either. It's probably an urban legend.

And besides, Andrej was on meds when he was a guy and was cute - probably cause of them- so they aren't he horrible thing you say you are.
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>>5546376
Hahahah oh shit dude. I'm sorry.

>>5546861
No idea if this will work, but maybe you could off HRT for a while to see if they go away, then later switch to just using an anti-androgen (no estrogen).
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>>5546376
Don't see the big deal, you look fine
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>>5547266
Maybe, i hear AAs with no E causes real problems mentally and physically though
>>5547509
Thanks, it's just awkward to avoid anyone noticing them irl. I have some pretty physical friends who have patted or otherwise touched my chest and i have to hunch over and pray they don't think anything of it

they're very sensitive and hurt when touched too
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How can I get laser hair removal for cheap? What is even considered cheap?
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>>5547636
What sort of weirdo friends would grab your chest all the time? Tell them off if it's off putting.

Your puffy nipples don't look any worse than what a lot of guys in the gym have, so I doubt they will make anything out of it.
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>>5546376
>>5546793
>tits on a male
Only a chaser or fetishist would find this acceptable

>>5547266
The tits don't go away without surgery
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>>5547701


mines is like $120 a session.

http://queenshairremoval.com/prices/

just be warned if your not on t-blockers like i am they will grow back. facial hair results from testosterone and if your body is still producing it at adult levels it will come back.
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>>5548303
>male
Neotenous effeminate boy type male, so it's not that out of place.

Besides, I don't see you skewering the gym rats and they've got way more in the way of tits.
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>>5548386
how long would it take to start growing back if I'm not on t-blockers?
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>>5546376
Cute/10
Would tease them
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>>5546376
looks hot senpai
just like my chinese cartoons/10
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>>5546303
Look into ai. There are estrogen blockers that can be used to prevent and reverse gyno.
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>>5548509


few months to almost one year.

women and men hasve vellus hair until they reach puberty and guys vellus hair on their face turn to androgenic hair. Laser kills the roots so only vellus hair grows back and their very transparent with the skin. however without t-blockers the hair follicles get the signal to turn the vellus hair to androgen again.
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>>5546902
>>5546888
what can you use to flatten the nipples? i feel like those are really the only dead giveaways until you get huge boobs that couldn't be mistaken for large chest muscles. is only one undershirt sufficient?
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>>5548851
And have your skin go to hell and get male pattern baldness while you're at it

Getting hit by the ugly stick isn't worth it
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>>5549104
Yeah, your skin will probably be shit, but that's temporary.

You won't go bald from estro blockers, since baldness is linked to dht, not low estro.
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>>5535806
Just a heads up for all the people sad about not being fem forever, you might stop caring. I was a lurker here for about a year, and was very much taken with all the androgyny and and flirting with gender roles. I did it all, the shaving every inch of myself, and makeup, and hair removal cream, and panties. It was exciting, and daring, and then as I got older it all seemed to get more hard to reach, to the point where I was becoming anxious and depressed about my appearance not matching what I'd seen here. So I gave up, and am now comfortable being a skinny, not very masculine male, and am in fact the happiest I have ever been.

Not saying that titty skittles and knee socks are the wrong path or anything, or that they can't bring people happiness and confidence in themselves, but looking at that strawpoll up there lots of you are wanting to make drastic chages to your body in pursuit of an ideal that has been achived by a total of two, maybe three of the posters who were around when I was, that is to say, femgen's heyday. I'd just suggest being absolutely sure that HRT, or saw palmetto, or boiling your balls or what the fuck ever you feel is right for you before you go about it.
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>>5546376
just embrace it dogg
post more pics
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>tfw used to be fat ugly neckbeard
>tfw wanted to be femboy
>tfw spent the last 5 years losing weight and becoming peak qt by early 20s
>tfw now have the kind of appearance some people here would kill for
>tfw still don't feel comfortable with myself and my body and being a femboy isn't enough
>tfw starting to realise it's gender dysphoria and I'm probably trans
FUCK
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>>5546376
boys with tits are cute <3
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>>5549436
Sort of same here
I'm really happy with how I look but I've got some serious insecurity issues or something. The struggle to be qt never ends.
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>>5549137
Not worth, i'm self conscious about my skin and i like how it looks now. I don't really mind just dealing with it for now
>>5549271
I think i'm just going to accept it
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>>5549436
>>tfw now have the kind of appearance some people here would kill for
>>tfw still don't feel comfortable with myself and my body and being a femboy isn't enough

aka im still a fattie lying on the internet
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>>5549680
eh I went from over 14 stone to 10.5, took me 2 years though
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>>5549748
you know the rules senpai
pic or gtfo
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>>5549281
please step back from the keyboard and take a deep breath
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>>5549748
>weighing yourself in stones
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>>5549271
>banned for taking a shirtless photo

Other guys do this all the time stop objectifying me mods
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>>5550898
I think it's just cus you got girly boobs
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>>5550911
That's unfair, i'm a man, the amount of fat guys with gynocomastia that get posted too...
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>>5550922
>>5550911
Ridiculous http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YmtpcL6vWM4/VZhPQxuAh1I/AAAAAAAAEJQ/5K6dCq5yILQ/s1600/anabolic%2Bsteroid%2Bbefore%2Bafter.jpg

There are roiding men here and in fit and they've got gigantic breasts compared to the flat chest and much smaller nipples he had.

They going to ban us for posting SFW male chests while giving gyno bears with actual tits a free pass now?
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>>5550992
Equal rights for femboys

This is why we need femboyism
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>>5546376
>being too feminine for the mods
That's it, looks like you've won femgen.
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>>5551046
I would celebrate but this is a little weird for me. I'm in too deep.
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>>5551079
Everyone's gushing over you being cute

Looks like you got what you wanted.
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>>5551079
Senpai noticed you after all.
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>>5551079
you're fuckin' cute senpai
enjoy it
you don't have to be trans all of a sudden, boys with cute hrt bobs are the future
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>>5551046
>>5551079
Do you think we'll get banned if we push our manboobs together to make them look bigger?
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>>5551079
at least you're getting affection from fetishists
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>110 lbs all your adult life
>femmy, the envy of twinks everywhere
>gain a few lbs
>lose a few lbs (but not as many lbs as you gained)
>afraid to actually weigh yourself

I just want someone to hug me and tell me I will be a skelly again someday soon
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>>5551123
Skelly mode is out, anon
It's all about HIGH TEST soft and chubby femboys now
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>>5551132
>HIGH TEST soft and chubby
Uh, those are bears
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>>5551120
>>5551115
>>5551110
>>5551101
Th-thanks
>>5551117
Well i got banned with my arms far apart so i guess so
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>>5551139
Yes exactly

>>5551144
Maybe the mods won't get mad at us if you use imgur links
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>>5551132
>It's all about HIGH TEST soft and chubby femboys now

That's absolutely disgusting but I don't care because I know in my heart that you are wrong and will be tortured by satan for all of eternity for this mistake.
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>>5551161
Kill me if you must I've had my fill of cheesecake
I need nothing else
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>>5551147

Too bad your only choices are pill popping skelleton mode and pill popping normal weight mode
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>>5551147
I dont really want to post pictures right now, maybe another time
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>>5551179
You can do some nice things without pills
You just won't have boobs
Or a fat ass
Or super wide hips
Or a girly face
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>>5551132
>implying it's possible to be HIGH TEST on hormone replacement therapy
bruh wtf
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>>5551195
>Implying anyone here got on pills early enough to get hips
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>>5551195
>not having a fat ass
>not having super wide hips
>not having a girly face
do you even want to be fem??? idgi
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>>5551195
pills won't give you a girly face, you niggers are all delusional
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>>5551217
I like being fem I'm just not a grill
I also really like my boy bits

>>5551218
They won't?
I've been lied to
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>>5551169
>Kill me if you must

We meet at dawn.

As tradition dictates, you will choose the weapons. What is your decision?
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>>5551224
We force feed each other cookies until one of us chokes to death
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>>5551230

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

My choice: peanut butter cookies
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>>5551234
I will bake oatmeal raisin cookies
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>>5551243

Wow fuck it I forfeit

Oatmeal? I give up

How gross
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/mtfg/ anon here, hope your gen doesn't die again boys.
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>>5551218
Titties anon reporting in:

My face changed, for sure. I don't know if it was just my hair, skin and complexion, but old pics look really different and weird to me, and i get told i look very feminine or very young often
>>5551223
It doesn't effect your boy bits as bad as you would think. I can still get hard, and i still cum, although a lot less than before. Orgasms feel different.

The one thing they will do is shrink your balls, mine are really small now but that looks better anyway so whatever
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>>5551252
>/mtfg/ anon here

Kill yourself immediately.
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>>5551247
More cookies for me

>>5551259
>smaller balls
Unacceptable. I wish mine were bigger if anything.
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>>5551262
>implying fembois aren't just trannies in the closet

3/4 of this thread is on HRT.
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>>5551252
Thought you hated us and lumped us in with the fetishists and stuff
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>>5551270
>3/4 of this thread is on HRT.

Which leaves 1/4th of this thread as genuine fembois and not retarded trannies like yourself.

Seriously die and leave this plane forever, we have no need of your poisonous nonsense.
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>>5551300
>implying i'm a tranny
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>>5551300
>>5551313
Can't we all just be friends?
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>>5551259
it will change but if your face starts out manly it will still be manly afterwards.
a lot of transitioned transsexuals did not get rid of their manface. it's really uncanny to see them and trans people probably get accustomed to the look. it's true that there are women with manly faces as well, but that's not what you're going for anyway.

if you don't have a manface to begin with, why even bother? you're not doing it because you want to be a girl, right?
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>>5551335

the answer is: No
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can someone tell me why fems and trannies don't get along again
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>>5551300
>1/4th of this thread as genuine
Keep telling us how going full bear mode =twink
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>>5551341
I dont know i like what it does for my skin and hair and body, and i feel like it mellowed me out and helped with my emotions and all that garb
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>>5551357
because trannies get mad that there are people that look androgynous who don't want to grow tits and chop their dick off.
so then we call them mentally ill.
then they call us fetishists.
etc.
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>>5551357
Eh, we get along pretty well. Masc guys who call others trannies and the occasional mtfg anon that insists we're insane notwithstanding don't make the majority.
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>>5551375
I think it'd be nice if we all just complimented each other and gave tips on how to look cute and ate pastries
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>>5551357

Trannies need to die immediately and fembois are pure souls who should be celebrated for their unique beauty and value

That's basically it.
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>>5551375
so we're blaming the trannies then?

also >tfw femgen is popular again
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>>5551357
>trannies are unpassable hons and jealous of fembois.
>fembois get mad the rest of the lgb consider them trannies in the waiting
>they lash out on hons
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>>5551375
>grow tits

>Implying that more than half of femmy twinks aren't on hrt now
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reminder
https://join.skype.com/BcztTGQ9INpK
skype group
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>>5551357

trannies are mentally ill freaks who want to cut their dicks off and pretend to be women while fembois are beautiful creatures with huge cocks who are everything that our species could hope to be

it's really not that complicated when you break it down
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>>5551396
>huge cocks
Mine is actually kind of small
I'm sorry
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>>5551396
trannies are more mentally stable than fems
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>>5551403
>trannies are more mentally stable than fems

This is incorrect.

>>5551401
>Mine is actually kind of small

Kill yourself immediately.
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>>5551396
>>5551418
>Femboys use HRT
>huge cocks
Uh...
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>>5551418
trannies are usually pretty nice. if they don't pass, they usually have some anxiety but if you don't bring it up they're nice to be around

and why do you think fems should have big dicks? i don't even use mine.
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>>5551428
>>Femboys use HRT

This is incorrect.

>>5551429
>trannies are usually pretty nice.

This is incorrect.

You two really catch on slow, don't you?
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>>5551429
Fans have unrealistic expectations. Proly been spending too much time in /y/
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>>5551438
That you only speak in stereotypical absolutes? Going tranny means you get to be cute for longer, I can totally understand people who do it.
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>>5551438
Uh, the thread and all? And know of twinks IRL that do the pill stuff too.
You aren't going to keep looking fem for long unless you cheat nature. Sorry to disillusion you, but even guys you idolized like Andrej did that.
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>>5551451
>stereotypical absolutes

Define this, if you would.

No. No memes, no jokes, no psychobabble. Just an honest answer, for once.
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>>5551453
>And know of twinks IRL that do the pill stuff too.

Those are trannies.

>You aren't going to keep looking fem for long unless you cheat nature.

Lol bitch I've been fem my entire life and never taken a single pill

>even guys you idolized like Andrej did that.

Andreja is a fucking tranny

How new are you?

No, give me a serious answer. How fucking new are you? How dumb do you have to be to say something like this?
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>>5551454
What? I've been nothing but honest and simple.

The stereotype being that trannies are evil mentally ill whatever and femboys are the polar opposite, despite the two being indiscernably close at times. These stereotypes are absolutes because they aren't flexible.

>>5551460
>Those are trannies
this is the shit i'm talking about.
if you've been fem that's great! not everyone is able to do that.
and andreja used to be king andro. anon is clearly not new.
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>>5551475

Kill yourself.
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>>5551480
at least i'm not the one shitposting on femgen at 1 in the morning.
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>>5551460
>Those are trannies.
They're guys and they say they are. That says you're full of it. It's just a convenient way to keep your body as it is.

But hey, don't let me keep you from calling everyone here a tranny.
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>>5551460
>>And know of twinks IRL that do the pill stuff too.
>Those are trannies.
Not the person you're replying to, but I disagree. It's just a form of body modification like cosmetic surgery, tattoos, or piercings.
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>>5551486

But that's exactly what you're doing.
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>>5551489
>being a tranny is just a form of body modification

Kill

Yourself

Immediately
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>>5551488
>It's just a convenient way to keep your body as it is.
I'm not him but I'm fairly certain that's bullshit. HRT doesn't stop you from aging. Nothing will.
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>>5551475
Used to be a 10/10 guy, and juiced to get like that. The point still stands.
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>>5551499
>HRT doesn't stop you from aging. Nothing will.

ssshhhhh, let the trannies have their little fantasy

according to them it's the only thing keeping them from immediate suicide
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Hi femgen. Every year my company gives $300 credit for clothing. I haven't used it the past 4 years, so I have $1200 to spend on clothes. The catch: I can only get stuff from Lands' End Business.

Help?
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>>5551499
but because it doesn't result in the female menopause, it does mean you will age a lot better and in a more feminine way e.g. very little chance of balding, paunch etc.
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>>5551559
>it doesn't result in the female menopause

But you're male.

Why would you worry about having a broken vagina when do not have a vagina?

Trannies are literally the worst thing ever invented, not even their brains work properly.

>it does mean you will age a lot better and in a more feminine way e.g. very little chance of balding, paunch etc.

But this is absolutely false.

I dare you to name even a single piece of evidence to support this.
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>>5551551
Also, I'm quitting in a month, so I don't care what they think about my clothing choices. Men's, women's, it's all game.
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>>5551576
Go for this, purple stripe http://www.landsend.com/products/womens-100-everyday-fleece-half-zip/id_281594?sku_0=::DM8
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http://www.amazon.com/Bench-Womens-Tranquil-Sweatshirt-Rosewood/dp/B012ARDSCW/ref=lp_13429651011_1_32?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1452840576&sr=1-32&nodeID=13429651011

cop or not?
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>>5551575
menopause effects the whole body, you dipshit, basically ends up accelerating female ageing to the 'aged like milk' stage. no such step with HRT. just look at what Jamie Clayton looks like at 40.

it prevents further male development, so idk what else you want me to say on your second point
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>>5551645
For that price hell no
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>>5551645
I like it. Cop.
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>>5551671
Find me a cheaper one.
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>>5551645
>clothes shopping
>on Amazon

Please, Anon. Don't do this to yourself.
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>>5551645
doesn't even look that good if you ask me. noisey wool pattern with a super saturated dark red stripe? bah.
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>>5551682
underwear or jeans from brands I know, usually. however, I saw that and thought "huh"
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>>5551676
You can buy actual designer clothing for that price.

If you're poor and like gimmicky fashion then you should just buy from Yesstyle.
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>>5551723
I don't know about all that... I just think that sweater looks nice.
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>>5551774
I wouldn't buy that sweater for that price either. And it's not because I'm cheap or poor. I spend thousands on clothes.

http://www.farfetch.com/shopping/women/sale/clothing-1/items.aspx?ffref=hd_snav&category=136245&sort=4&page=1
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>>5551856
Oops, I meant to post this. Better color I think.
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>>5551860
those red stripes look bad!
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>>5551856
Thanks for the site, but I was more looking for something sporty to wear to and from the gym and yoga. I'll def be browsing there, though. They don't seem to have much in athletic wear.

It had actually popped on my list because I'd bought a headband and yoga mat.
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>>5551874
You could dye them black easily.
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>>5551874
I like them, its a neat accent color
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>>5551907
Me too. I love earthy tones but something about that red gives it the right amount of umf. I wonder what it looks like in different lighting. Some reds look great in one setting and awful once the sun hits them.
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>>5551874
>>5551949
It amuses me how people can have an opinion on something so seemingly insignificant.

>OMG, that sweater has one stripe too many!
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>>5551966
/fa/ is a curse
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How to femgen?
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>>5551972
I've been browsing /fa/ for years and I still don't "get it."
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>>5551976
>mfw you inspired me to transition in 2014 when I was in /femgen/ denial mode
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>>5552017
Awww that's so cute
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lol is it even possible to be liked here
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>>5529584
The epilator arrived today. First time using it, can confirm it gets all the hairs.
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>>5551976
Sorry, you're too much of an alpha male for femgen.
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>>5551976
Big, broad shoulders, how much you bench bro?
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>>5552879
Like 65 pounds
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Mtfg are bullying us >>5553658
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>>5554008
no one cares about those freaks
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>>5554008
tbf it's pretty accurate, at this point it's not worth denying the link between us and the trans
http://strawpoll.me/6515306/r
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>>5554008
>>5554412
or more importantly
http://strawpoll.me/6515315/r
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>>5554412
>>5554422
I think that's more to do with transsexuals investing everything. Can't be helped.
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>>5554008
>caring what psychopaths think of you
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>>5554615
Don't be stupid, it's regulars doing this to stay pretty. Quit calling everyone a tranny
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>>5554728
Well I do feel quite alienated that I seem to be one of the few who doesn't want to use testosterone blockers simply because I want to age like a normal human being. I can't be the only one, so your polls probably aren't very representative of guys who look feminine?
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>>5554728
>developing breasts from HRT
>calling yourself a boy

Pick one.
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>>5554746
b-but i am a boy ;_;
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>>5554756
Continue HRT and it won't be long until people start identifying you as a woman.
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>>5554778
>hrt for 13 months
>tiny as heck chest that can easily be hidden just by adjusting my shoulders forward a little
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>>5554778
That won't happen unless I try to look like a girl, though! Even girls in mtfg don't pass unless they put in a lot of effort.
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>>5554746
>>5554746
>http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YmtpcL6vWM4/VZhPQxuAh1I/AAAAAAAAEJQ/5K6dCq5yILQ/s1600/anabolic%2Bsteroid%2Bbefore%2Bafter.jpg
Then go kick out all the Bears and roiders with cowtits first. We're way more flat/male than they are
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>>5554842
I'm pretty sure that guy has a disorder though.
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>>5554842
It's not something they chose so it's understandable if they choose to still identify as males.
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What do with shaving iriation, femboy friend shaved legs for first time and the skin was quite irritated around the knees.

Just use moisturiser? Is there a female after shave care product?
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>>5554998
>>5554985
Uh, he was taking steroids while fat. He picked that end.

Had he at least dieted like the people here then maybe he wouldn't have had grapefruit sized tits.
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>>5555269
Shaving shouldn't really cause much irritation. What kind of blade is he using? Double edge ones work the best in my experience. And yes, lotion is good after a shave and shower.
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>>5555271
He took steroids with the intention of growing breasts? Okay.
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How does one even aquire HRT drugs if you're not trans? Just go to the doc and be like "lol I want to look more fem, give me titty skittles"
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>>5555269
There are products for before, during, and after a shave that are supposed to reduce complications such as skin irritation. I use Truefitt & Hill and ArtNaturals products and shave only after showers. No problems here.
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Let's settle this.
http://strawpoll.me/6546328/
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>>5555299
I already have a note from both a doctor and therapist stating I have gender dysphoria, so...
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>>5554778
>implying this is how it works even for trannies, who actively try to look like women
have you even been to mtfg, like, 90% of their posts are them complaining that they don't get ID'd as female in public
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>>5555269
just use Nair
and Magic Shave cream for face
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>>5555299
This is a link from an older poll, but in all honesty there's probably a lot of misunderstand about what gender dysphoria is. It's not disliking body hair or certain features, it's about hating your penis or being uncomfortable referred to as a male.
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>>5555289
qhi.co.uk for europe
alldaychemist or inhousepharmacy for USA
the companies just claim ignorance that you were medding w/o doctor supervision, it's a legal grey area
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>>5555320
>alldaychemist or inhousepharmacy
Don't these require a prescription?
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>>5555324
nope.jpg
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>>5555306
...so, you don't belong in femgen?

>>5555314
different for different people, plenty of trans are okay with the penis but hate having a masculine face, ribcage, hands etc.

also social and physical dysphoria are different
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>>5555320
sounds dangerous when you don't know how much your dosages need to be or how they're affecting your hormone levels specifically.
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>>5555324
you just tick a box saying you'll fax one later and they 'forget' to chase it up, I believe
idk for sure though I use QHI 'cause I'm UK
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>>5555337
Oh shit, they'll ship it anyway? Both of them asked for it, but I didn't know if they just ignore you or not.
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>>5555328
>plenty of trans are okay with the penis but hate having a masculine face, ribcage, hands etc.
Okay I call bs here, because this is essentially me but I like being referred to as a male and treated as a male. These people aren't trans, they just want to look girly.
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>>5555328
>...so, you don't belong in femgen?

I haven't graduated to /mtf/ yet.
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>>5555314
Nope, just made it actually
The results so far are... enlighteniing
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>>5555330
well sure that's kind of the whole issue with it, but tbqh as long as you don't drink/smoke and avoid high potassium foods it's incredibly unlikely you can fuck it up, you'd need some kind of pre-existing hormonal condition or something to cause any real damage

200mg spironolactone, 4mg progynova daily, split into 2 doses 12 hours apart

build up to it from 25mg spiro 2mg progy for a few weeks first tho to check for medicine allergies
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>>5555345
that's most people's experience. occasionally I think somebody gets unlucky when they decide to make it look like they care to customs or whoever. QHI seems to have zero issue with that though if you're in europe.

>>5555347
well yes why do you think there's so many threads on this board raging about 'AGP fetishists' etc.? the fake-trans/tru-trans argument is one of the biggest divides in the entire community
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>>5555269
I get skin irritation on my butt and the back of my thighs if I let my body hair grow for a while before shaving (>1 mm). When that happens, I go over it with a body hair trimmer before shaving.

>>5555289
I'm not on HRT, but I've read that some informed consent clinics will write a prescription for people who identify as genderqueer. I'd say a man on hormones is at least some form of genderqueer.

>>5555299
Poll's rigged. Femgen is too slow for 230 people to have voted.
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I used to lurk these threads regularly wanting to be cuter, gave up for a bit, started going to /cuteboys/, got tired of it and came back.

Is it possible to fit in these threads without being trans or a catty fuck?
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>>5555299
this just proves that /lgbt/ is full of trannies and that they really should get their own board.
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>>5555413
Even if you discount 'Likely' it's still way skewed towards 'Yes' answers so far.
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>>5555501
you don't have to be trans, but it helps to be on HRT anyway
having boobs is actually kinda fun, I was neutral towards the idea before but now it just makes me feel even qt-er
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FEMGEN HAS RISEN AGAIN
HAIL FEMGEN
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>>5555525
I dunno, just doesn't sound like that'd be very healthy. I want to be cute but I don't really want to roll the dice with E.
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>>5555501
>Is it possible to fit in these threads without being trans or a catty fuck?
Sometimes. Femgen is good when we're talking about fashion/beauty, but it goes to shit quick when someone throws some bait in.

The catty people mostly left for gaygen.
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>>5555596
I dunno I mean while I don't want to be trans I don't hate trans people like a vocal minority in the thread does.

Also I thought gaygen was anti-anything that isn't a bear?
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>>5555626
honestly, not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, but if you're not trans and you don't feel like getting sucked into it then this probably ain't the place for you, take a look-
http://strawpoll.me/6515306/r
http://strawpoll.me/6515315/r
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>>5555626
>I dunno I mean while I don't want to be trans I don't hate trans people like a vocal minority in the thread does.
Please stay. I like level-headed people like you.
>Also I thought gaygen was anti-anything that isn't a bear?
I used to get that impression, but it seemed to have changed.
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>>5555657
/cuteboys/ is pretty /pol/ infected at times due to 8ch and there's too many chasers there so I thought I'd come back to the OG thread. We'll see if my skinny-lackofass sticks around.
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Trannies and retards please fuck off back to your containment board
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>>5555669
they want just a cute boy, the pretend they want a trap or tranny, but they really want a prime specimen aryan blond twink bf. Theyre full blown fags and enjoy the male features of said boy, if anything they are pederasts.

>>>/r9k/25776390

They didn't pick bara to illustrate themselves or lgbt, they like young looking boys with tight pink butts and little bodyhair. They're pederasts.
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>>5555626
I don't hate trans people either. I just wish they didn't try to be involved in everything.
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>>5555855
But nobody here is trans. You've gone off the deep and started demanding that everyone who wants to be pretty get a sex change.
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>>5556229
Man, that's not true at all and I barely come here. Half the people here at the very least dsyphoric.
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>>5556242
im dysphoric but im a boy
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Oh fuck man I didn't realise that Frank kid was actually dead, I thought 4chan was memeing on me

Now I feel really weird and gross about fapping over his pics last night
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Daily reminder that your kind literally get banned for posting photos without a bra/shirt on

Tell me more about b-buh we're just boys
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>>5557310
tbf it's different if you're a boy with boobs
they may be cute boy boobs but they're still boobies
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>>5557403
then why don't fat fucks with man-tits get banned? dudes with big pecs?
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>>5557409
not the same
though yeah in an ideal world female nudity would also be not frowned upon and both boy and girl boobs would be allowed
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>>5557417
it's not female nudity though
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>tfw bi guy who likes to crossdress occasionally but not mentally ill enough or have desire to take hormones or cut off my bits

Good feel
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>>5557729
Tell us more on how you do it ?
I'm currently passable, but would prefer to live cis life because I ll accomplish more
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>>5557729
same
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>>5557841
How i do what lad? Crossdress without wanting to transition? Just my personality, really straight acting despite my appearance and ive never bottomed either. I love being male
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>>5557970
Never bottomed? How sad and boring.
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>>5557978
For me taking it up the arse wouldnt be any fun, i get no pleasure being in a position where im dominated, i only act sissy and cross dress when im all alone. And i only go for fem subby guys anyways
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>>5558021

>R E P R E S S I O N
>E
>P
>R
>E
>S
>S
>I
>O
>N
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>>5535186

Straight /fit/ alpha here
I am insecure about how femboys make me feel so whenever I see one in real life every other month I will intentionally bump into them and generally intimidate/bully them
That's what you get for being cute, goodbye.
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>>5558088
so that's why
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>>5557729
>>5557970
>>5558021
Same-ish situation over here. I like having my body be feminine but I'm not on HRT, I don't crossdress, and I'd probably die if someone cut off my bits.

That being said I've only ever taken it up the butt.

>>5558088
>goodbye
No come back
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>>5558021
>repressing this hard
>>
well fuck it
guess I'm gonna post in the trans help general
couldn't have believed I'd end up at this juncture 5 years ago
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>>5558241
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>>5558021
>i only act sissy and cross dress when im all alone

A G P
G
P
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>>5551976
Pls dont be trans. Id top you for days....
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>>5558088
Haha, me too man. Pretty little things. You cant NOT pick on them...
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https://news.vice.com/article/asperger-syndrome-seems-more-prevalent-among-kids-who-identify-as-opposite-gender

Anybody here got Aspergers? Go to /mtfg/, this is not the place for you.
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>>5558271
Faye is as trans as trans comes, look for her in the mtf threads. She's also in her late 30s and an ex-soldier. That's right. That's what tittyskittles can do.
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>>5558294
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3909328/
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>>5558271
But the only meaningful difference here is wether they insist they're still boys or don't
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>>5558294
>>5558300
Nope and your paper only says that ftm have an elevated risk.
Unless you're telling me that saying we aren't trans magically makes us count as ones, then it's irrelevant. Quit your sad obsession.
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So I finally got my eyebrows under control, though I can probably get a little more taken off. Thinking about dying my hair blonde today, y/n?
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>>5558465
grow it longer first
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>>5558295
wait really?

..how?
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>>5558088

If you were straight, you'd just want to fuck'em.

Confirmed for secretly wanting to be the little girl.
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>>5555669
cuteboys is cancer, the board is 90% chasers and fully-masc dudes wearing panties.
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>>5558527
Also the various /cuteboys/ chatrooms (IRC, kageshi and tinychat) are full of fat, hairy, ugly chasers.

We need a place that's only for cute femboys or people trying to be femboys.
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>>5558465
nooo, don't dye your hair. it will look trashy 100% of the time.
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>>5558465
Why are you covering your mouth?
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>>5558552
>implying I wouldn't want to get fucked by a fat hairy chaser
I'm shaking my head to be quite honest, family.
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>>5558566
>t. fat hairy ugly chaser
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>>5558571
I don't have that much dignity
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>>5558566

You can probably do better. Where are you?
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>>5558561
Because I had forgotten to shave for like 3 days so there was just a tiny noticeable amount of hair. When uni starts up again I'll do it every day but for now I'm lazy.
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>>5558600
Netherlands.
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>>5558629

Bit of a deadzone, but eh. Are you on grindr?
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>>5558720
Well I'm not really looking for use-and-toss hookups (not saying there's anything wrong with that).
I was just saying that I totally wouldn't mind someone who isn't a beautiful strong man riding a horse over a rainbow and that my standards are in fact quite low. As long as they're nice of course.
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>>5558743

I'm not really up on the ins and outs of what people in the netherlands use grindr for, but there's people who've found relationships out of it. Mostly shit ones they later complain about, but hey. Like, if you're not super uggo, and your standards aren't super high, then what's stopping you?
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>>5535186

How many of you guys are red-pilled?
I like twinks, and effeminate guys, but I have a feeling that 99% of them are anti-white male feminists open the boarder types
Do you guys think there is a correlation between effeminate behavior and being an extreme leftist?
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>>5558772
I've encountered more right-winged gay guys in my life than left-winged ones. So uh, no?
It completely depends on where you look though.
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>>5558772

>anyone who isn't red-pill is an extreme leftist

I'm 100% okay with you not trying to date twinks. In fact, you should probably stay away from all twinky guys from now on - they're all radical feminists or leftists or liberals or whatever it is you're scared of and hate.
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>>5558772
I'm a former lolbertarian leaning nationalist now.

>Do you guys think there is a correlation between effeminate behavior and being an extreme leftist?
Yes, feminine psychology is more emotional than male psychology, and a lot of gays got too much fem. A little fem is good but you should have some masculine characteristics to balance it out with otherwise you're just a cancerous faggot.
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>>5558810

Thanks for that, sigmund freud.
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>>5558848
I actually despise Freudian psychology, just going off of my experience with men and women in the past. There's certain traits women exhibit more and others men do, quit being an oblivious snowflake.
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>>5558772
It's odd but I used to be ultra left as a child, but the more I see about them and how they vehemently oppose individualism and individual liberties the more I despise them. They really are no different than the right. Marxism and radical ideology has killed just as many lgbt people historically as fundamentalism has.

I mean just look at sjw/Radfems and how they are all too willing to scapegoat anyone who's different. They blame effeminate guys for misogyny existing, they preach about how looking too femminine is wrong. And God help you if you take pills for odd reasons, they'll insist the state has to crack down on you and force you to act like some disgusting caricature to get them if at all.

So no, really I doubt you'll find many people who love the left, especially its radicals here. The board is more civil libertarian than anything.
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>>5558866

Freudian psychology is still talked about today because people, like you, look at things and come to the same 'conclusions' he did. Stupid, simplistic, shortsighted, disproven conclusions, that reinforce lazy thinking.

The brain is a supercomputer with highly complex evolutionary programming. That viewpoint you have? It's one designed to enforce social cooperation and competition in small tribal units. It has very little to do with how the mind actually works, and is actively counterproductive to understanding even basic psychological principles.
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>>5551460
>>And know of twinks IRL that do the pill stuff too.
>Those are trannies.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

>Andreja is a fucking tranny
Yes, she is now. She used to be a femboy though.

>>5551490
Calling out people for shitposting doesn't count as shitposting.

>>5551494
Being a tranny isn't, but taking estrogen can be.

>>5551499
No, but it lets you stay feminine a lot better than aging naturally.

>>5554998
So? If taking HRT means you must identify as a girl, then crossdressing should make you a girl too. And no one's claiming that all crossdressers are trannies. Wanting to be feminine does not make you a girl, that's the whole reason why the concept of the femboy exists in the first place.

>>5555286
Most femboys don't take HRT with the intention of getting breasts.

>>5555504
If trannies got their own board, there wouldn't be anyting left of /lgbt/.

>>5555711
This IS the tranny containment board though.

>>5558772
>Do you guys think there is a correlation between effeminate behavior and being an extreme leftist?
Most likely, at least it's typical for effeminate guys to be at least somewhat leftist, because part of the whole "traditional values" package many conservatives buy into is that strict adherence to traditional gender roles is a good thing.

>>5558898
>They blame effeminate guys for misogyny existing, they preach about how looking too femminine is wrong.
Really? My understanding of "patriarchy theory" or whatever it's called is the other way around - that femboys are considered inferior because of the same reasons that misogyny occurs - that femininity is considered weak and inferior.

>And God help you if you take pills for odd reasons, they'll insist the state has to crack down on you and force you to act like some disgusting caricature to get them if at all.
That seems to be mainly a TERF thing, not even all radfems are TERFs, and radfems are only a relatively small part of the entire social left.
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>>5558802
>twinky guys from now on - they're all radical feminists or leftists
Uh no, the guys pushing the gays are predators meme sure aren't my friends
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>>5558967

>implying the gays are predators meme isn't created almost solely by straight/closeted right-wing guys

If by 'radical feminists' you mean the tiny handful of actually insane twitter accounts that are quite probably sock puppets, then no, I don't think anyone you'll meet in real life has that attitude at all.

Ultraconservatives, though, are very real (natsoc, big chunks of the political right), and literally will say in real life and on live television that gays are all rapists and pedophiles, so you're basically speaking nonsense.
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>>5558571
>t. fat hairy ugly chaser
What does this mean? Specifically the "t." part.
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>>5559038
It's explained here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/414urs/what_does_t_mean_on_4chan/
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>>5558487
Aside from changing your skin and hair? Fat redistribution. Changes how your face looks and moves fat from your stomach and back to your boobs, butt and thighs.

Its effectiveness varies from person to person though. Faye is deffo one of the luckier ones.

Not hit fat redistribution yet but I do have girl-skin now and it's amazing.
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>>5559093
Thanks!
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>>5558772
i'm in the middle,
honestly redpillers are even worse in the fallacy department than leftists. it's a good thing i don't really care about politics because otherwise i'd be infuriated by everyone i met.
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>>5558772
>implying anyone here is a libcuck
BUILD
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>>5559583
>gcc -lcuck
Who /g/ here?
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Say what you want about HRT for femboys but I just spent the last 30 minutes teasing my nipples and then came with the slightest of touches to my dick, and I couldn't do that six months ago.

>>5558933
Andreja said she's been on blockers since age 13, self-medding, and lied about not being trans to cement her place in the industry before coming out

wish we still had qt-femboy-on-pills representation in the media tbqh
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Can we acknowledge that boys on estrogen are the true master race? Sensitive bodies, smelling nice, cute dicks, and soft, plush skin — literally perfect.
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>>5559992
don't forget the cute boy boobs
and not ageing like fucking orcs like regular males
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>>5559874
>>5559992
>>5560008
Hrt diminishes dick, balls
Tranny tits
Kidney, liver and vascular risks

You fags going rekt yourselves, lel
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>>5559992
>>5560008
fuck off enablers.
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>>5560260
>Hrt diminishes dick, balls
balls are pretty gross anyway unless they're on a hot manly guy and ur dick will be fine as long as you keep using it
>Tranny tits
are qt desu
>Kidney, liver and vascular risks
don't drink or smoke, simple
and watch out for high-potassium foods

there is literally nothing wrong with doing hrt to become a cute femboy bruh, and these people agree:
http://strawpoll.me/6515306/r
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>>5560297
>Liking qt = enabling
Wat
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>>5560297
enabling what? something that is entirely our own personal choice, about our own bodies? fucking normie
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>>5560297
>>5560260
>being this mad about something entirely relevant to the thread topic
there is literally no more efficient or productive way of becoming fem than hrt, it's not for everybody but let those who are informed of the risks do their own thing yo
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>>5551976
You...you inspire me...Soft clear skin,nice eyes and thin chin with no face hair.
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Those of you on HRT, how do you get it? Did you go to a doctor/psych and get a prescription or do you just buy online and self med?
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>>5551313
Who is the one on the left?
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>>5561044
>>5561044

new thread
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>>5560932
she's trans and has been on HRT for a very long time
and she's ~37 iirc. yeah, that's what HRT does to the ageing process. who the fuck wouldn't want that?
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>>5560933
self-medding
qhi.co.uk if you're from europe
alldaychemist or inhousepharmacy if you're USA
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Alright, who got the new thread deleted?
(and how???!?!!)
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>>5561475
yea wtf
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>>5561475
I can understand if there was a misunderstanding about the thread's intent when there was a picture of adolescent boy in the OP.
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also some fuck kept botting up the strawpolls, those were getting pretty interesting/surprising results

though how tf can you consider yourself a femBOY if you admit you have gender dysphoria? that is the literal definition of transgender
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>>5561541
>>5561541
new thread

What the fuck why was the other one deleted
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The lady I work with had a pretty disgusted reaction to seeing a masculine lesbian come into the store. However, she adored a young femboy who came in one day. On the third hand, any other time a transgender male is mentioned she has a "groce but do what you want" tone.

she's hard to pin down and I don't know how she feels about me. I wear girl beanies, long unisex cardigans and I'm very well-groomed with a unisex short flip hairstyle. I wonder what'd happen if I stepped it up a notch?

maybe she's only cool with it if said person is attractive? that's the way it usually works. the biggest argument some people have for MtF is Bailey Jay, but what if she was ugly or not so good at makeup?

bleh
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