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Why is it so much more socially acceptable to be a lesbian than a gay male?
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Cause women have a lot more freedom to express and experiment.
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>>5507853
No, because lesbians are fucking hot.
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>>5507889
Biscum detected.
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>>5507897
Angry homo detected.
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>>5507853
>>5507889
Both of these.
>>5507845
It is also because women dislike hot guys they can't touch, princess syndrome drives them to loathing. Although being female, what attracted them to gays, is gone when they actually make it there. They usually are too stupid to pick up on that though.

The last reason being is 3rd wave feminism.

>Inb4 butthurt femposter, this category of head in ass retarded probably doesn't include you. Although I am sure you have seen plenty of them.
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>>5507845
Because women, and consequently their actions and preferences, don't matter as much as men past the point of survival.
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>lesbianism is not real
>lesbianism is for the enjoyment of men
>womens issues do not matter therefore lesbianism does not matter
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because men decide what is acceptable and lesbians are hot.
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>>5507938
This thinking and heteros think of gay people as being "like" the opposite gender. A gay man is thought to be effeminate, and a lesbian is thought to be masculine. Femininity is considered inferior, so a man being feminine is WAY less okay than a woman being masculine.

Plus straight guys are scared gay guys will treat them the way they treat women.
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Because lesbian sex is considered less "harmful" and most times not even considered real sex. Also, patriarchy.
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>>5507845
It’s not.

Porn is not real life.

I wish it was but reality sucks.
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>>5507945
So lesbians benefit from patriarchy indirectly?

How does this relate to 3rd wave and rad fem feminism?

Queer some can benefit from male dominated society if the fill arbitrary and shallow aesthetic roles…

What does that say about those that do and those that don’t?
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>>5508142
Being persecuted less than other marginalized groups is hardly benefiting.
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>>5508166
When you can utilize your sexuality as mens to take advantage of the entertainment and media industries… the ones in charge of how people in the status quo view people… I hardly think you marginalized.

Cisgender lesbian women are in the unique position of being able to manipulate the male gaze and MMC culture is the can use their identities and roles subtly (at lest at first).

Queer women own media niches. They dominate independent hip hop post 2010, Ellen has captured the hearts of straight / gay and queer hometakes across the country, Slowly, at least faux, lesbian and bisexual trans woman pornography is building a market, independent lesbian and queer cinema has been doing very well.

Queer cultural, especially queer women have established media niches that place them in key strike positions.

If we don’t take advantage of this then only we are to blame for our emulation from and ignorance by MCC culture.
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>>5507845
because of female privilege
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>>5508268
Privilege is an mutable trait. I would say it arbitrary, but no that is not accurate, it is however contextual.
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>>5508289
the context is its based on biology so its not really mutable. women are a much more precious resource than men are. men are expendable. this is why women are allowed to get away with more because there will always be some sort of male white knight out there that thinks he still has a chance. his instincts are to put up with more on the oft chance he might be able to spread his seed. not that this actually happens but its still part of human nature.
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>>5508356
>the context is its based on biology so its not really mutable. women are a much more precious resource than men are. men are expendable

That is a false assumption based on biological absolutism. Not relevant to the modern world at all.

Please stop perpetuating redpill bullshit.
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Other people's suffering is truly the greatest thing there is. Don't deny this.

The fact they'll never be able to penetrate a woman is torture enough.

Their castrated men. Give them a break.
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>>5508142
It benefits in a backhanded kind of way. Lesbians aren't taken seriously, thus they don't face the same prejudice as male homosexuality. But that isn't to say they don't get their own share of mistreatment, and not being taken seriously is its own annoying pressure.

>>5508268
Depends on the culture. In the US more than 90% of the media is controlled by men. So you'll find lesbians on television but rarely find male homosexuality displayed on television. Go to a place like South Korea - where the president is female and daughters are in high demand - male homosexuality is broadcasted without interruption but in the same year they tried to air a lesbian kiss, there was immediate uproar and the show was cancelled. Men are apparently fine with lesbians, threatened by gay men, and women are fine with gay men but threatened by lesbians.
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>>5508246
Do you think we enjoy being viewed as porn material for straight men? Do you think that that's something we take advantage of instead of trying to break free from?
Lesbians are not more acceptable, lesbians are more sexualized, and the only way to be an acceptable lesbian is to be pretty, skinny, feminine and not mind the insufferable maze gaze, which is rarely the case. Ask butch women if their life is easy or if they've never been persecuted.
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>>5508393
you live in a fantasy world. never said it was absolute but if you think the "modern world" suddenly mutes the expression of the human animal, you are delusional.

>>5508418
idk... would be interesting to do a count on gay men, lesbians, bisexual men, bisexual women, MtFs, and FtMs as mentioned in news, tv shows, documentaries, printed media, online content, etc. My guess would be all combined LGBT would be mentioned much more than the 5% of the population that they represent. OC, you'd have to control for positive, neg. and neutral representations. Once you started to split the groups up, my guess would be bisexual men and FtMs would be the most underrepresented groups.
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Lesbian?
No, 20/10 skinnimax bi girl who fucks for the boys attention and will totally talk her female
friends into a threesome.
Hot straight chicks who are gay for entertainment are hot, not actual lesbians.
The only place you'll see anything close to actual lesbians is on orange is the new black and most people are seriously skeeved out by it for the most part.

That and the whole "Fuck that dyke straight/bi" and "Pussy is pussy doesn't matter if it's on a lez" and "Fuck the muff diver preggers and she'll turn into a 50's housewife" and "Waiting for the right guy/men turned her off men so she's eating pussy now" and the ever popular "She'll grow out of it" are things that lesbians and feminists float and say to straight guys and hilariously enough other women as a way to fit into society and build a bit of protection for themselves.

However, most lesbians have a big thing about "true lez" and "biscum" and raging out about the whole the only thing they need is a good dicking and or the love of a good man and they'll go instantly straight.
The last one really pisses the average lesbian off.

But they'll never ever ever have the ovaries to state the latter in a vast public stadium, like academia, media, and just in public, and reiterate it over and over again.

Why? Cause without that men will disregard them for the most part and far fewer women will be willing to experiment. That and a massive fuckton of feminist power and manipulations will be outed for being exactly what they are.
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>>5507845

Because homophobia doesn't come from religion anymore. At least not in the US. The religious right doesn't have any influence in colleges, in entertainment, media, journalism anymore.

We live in a porn culture now. And "lesbianism" is very compatible with male porn culture. Male homosexuality however is not.

This is also why so many young women "identify" as bisexual or "pansexual", but are grossed out by bisexual men.
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>>5507919
>>Inb4 butthurt femposter, this category of head in ass retarded probably doesn't include you. Although I am sure you have seen plenty of them.
I haven't really seen feminists being against social acceptance of gays. Sure, they focus more on lesbians since feminism is after all focused on women in the first place, and they have been known to call gay men out on misogynistic behavior, but they do that to everyone who shows misogynistic behavior. The ones who are actually opposed to acceptance of gay males seem to be a minority, mostly just edgy teens on social media (like that Tumblr post that says gay men are misogynistic for not wanting to have sex with women).

>>5508142
>So lesbians benefit from patriarchy indirectly?
The idea that "lesbians are hot" could probably be considered part of benevolent sexism. It can benefit them somewhat in that it makes lesbians more accepted, but at the same time it means they're viewed as sexual objects - which means that lesbians who are not aesthetically appealing to the typical man are regarded as "doing it wrong".
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>>5507938
came here to say this. Most guys think lesbians will all suddenly get back together with men at the drop of the hat if they meet the right "chad".

Came out at 16, now at 24 i still have people telling me its just a phase and that i just havent met the right guy yet etc etc.

Guys are extremely passive agressive narcisistic in their idea that somehow all women crave men, as if men are anything to be craved.
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>>5508588
>The idea that "lesbians are hot" could probably be considered part of benevolent sexism. It can benefit them somewhat in that it makes lesbians more accepted, but at the same time it means they're viewed as sexual objects - which means that lesbians who are not aesthetically appealing to the typical man are regarded as "doing it wrong".

Most lesbians are beyond average with a disturbing amount being far below.
Men don't go after them, they go after the idea of doing to semi attractive chicks with above average bodies at the same time.
If the whole "she only likes pussy" and how cagey lesbians get into bed is laid out before him he'll simply say "Nah" turn around and go pick an average looking straight chick who's begging for it.
Without lesbianism as foreplay or an act for men between two attractive striaght(or at least bi but heavily leaning towards men)women and is a real thing that men are both barred from and won't get anything out of..then...well.
10/10 lesbians(lol 10/10 lesbians) will be seen as far less sexually and emotionally valuable to the average male then a 3/10 heterosexual woman.
If you add in the misandrist and virulently antimale personality you get a punch first ask questions later kind of deal.
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>>5507845
>tfw 'lesbian' mtf
Nobody accepts me!
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>>5508594
At least men put out and don't have wild illogical mood swings and can carry me to bed and pound my ass. Transmales are fine too.
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>>5508630
if you dont pass well enough to look like a girl you cannot and will never be a lesbian sorry.

Passing is mandatory
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>>5508634
>can carry me
so can my gf
>pound my ass.
so can my gf <3
>wild illogical mood swings
based on your post im going to assume you see relationships as 100% only about sex and 0 to do with any kind of emotional connection. Thats fine, but as you get older you may or may not discover that men will cheat on you the second they find someone else more attractive they can fuck.
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>>5507845
men generally don't take lesbianism seriously, they just see women they find attractive and women they don't find attractive

be affectionate in public uncarefully, or even carefully, and you will experience creepy shit and aggression from men

gay men do have it bad tho. just, no one has it easy, and the harassment you receive as a gay woman blends into the shit you already get when presumed straight
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>>5507845
>Why is it so much more socially acceptable to be a lesbian than a gay male?

Whether you like it or not, society still views males as "strong" and women not so much. Therefore, when you think of that ranking, someone moving up in that ranking is good while someone moving down in that ranking is bad.

So a woman, viewed as not strong, moves up when she becomes "more male" as a lesbian and a guy downgrades becoming "more feminine" when he's gay.

I'm not saying this is correct, I just think that's how society sees it (or at least until older people holding these views become less a part of society).
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>>5507845
Because nobody cares what women do, and everybody knows it's just a phase that will pass when she inevitably has her first real orgasm while being pounded by a huge dick and/or when she starts to get old and the instinct to get seeded and give birth kicks in hard ; meanwhile, everyone thinks it's just cute and will allow her to not get her pussy wrecked by the time she has to find a husband.
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>mfw dating an FtM

I know it's utterly irrelevant to the thread but we saw a lesbian couple actually getting catcalled the other day. What are you even supposed to do when you see that? White knight for people that probably just want to run off? Or passive-agressively shake your head? Or just not get involved?
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>>5508717
>So a woman, viewed as not strong, moves up when she becomes "more male" as a lesbian

Explain why butch lesbians are hated by basically everyone including, interestingly enough, other lesbians. If a feminine chick is even hinted at being the dom or butch in a lesbian relationship she becomes a virtual pariah to all males and most straight chicks kind of flitter off. Hell even masculine straight women are spat on.

No seriously. In what society are you living right now?

Lesbians are accepted as long as they are seen as hot straight chicks doing it for attention or till they are ready for some cock.
Moment the reality sets in and lesbians want to or are treated as a real thing and not for male gaze or dick shit hits the skids pretty damn hard. So there is a real concerted and damned obvious attempt by certain parties to keep that kind of thing OUT of the public consciousness or downplay it.

Look at what happened to ellen page's career. Shit's dead, nigga.
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>>5508640
How can I rely on someone with unpredictable and wild emotions for support? Sorry, I've had to deal with too many BPD "lesbians", though I imagine the butch ones are more reliable. And that's not going into the " translesbians". Oh my fucking god.
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>>5508811
First, not everyone, including lesbians, hate butch lesbians. I consider myself a soft butch girl and don't have that problem. And what you probably consider "butch" (fat, loud, manly women) are a small percentage of lesbians.

Yes, you can say that lesbians are accepted if they are hot chicks, but isn't that the case in most groups in society? We accept fit people over fat people. We accept people like us over people not like us.

And Ellen Page? Decent but not the greatest actress. She has four movies in production or about to be released so I wouldn't say her career is dead.
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>>5508418
>90% of the media is controlled by men
No. It's controlled by Jewish men. It is a key distinction.

http://thezog.info/

>inb4, fuck off /pol/tard
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>>5508594
This, except I would not say all guys are like that. I've had guys who expressed interest in me but once I told them I was gay, they dropped it and we became Bros. Some guys are very narcissistic and insecure (I.e 4chan) and thus have to make up their own ridiculous theories as to why they can't get pussy but others can. You see it prevalent everywhere in all boards. The lesbians secretly craving dick is just lgbt flavour.
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>>5508847
For the most part? Yeah, they do. And most chicks have the lez look so they are oft instantly pushed into the NAH pile by men. If it wasn't for popular media trying to make that a thing and shilling baby lezbo to little girls with katy perry and what's that ugly chicks name we'd have more clear distinctions nowadays.

And let's be honest, the average lesbian will dump the average butch for a dom muscular feminine looking straight chick who'll be the dude in the relationship in a heartbeat.

Secondly, if acceptance is based on a condition like that then it's not really acceptance. It's barely tolerance. It's just picking what they want from a group and disregarding the rest.

As for ellen page, a few art house movies or d movies don't count.
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>>5508166
Speak for yourself, I'd much rather your circumstances.
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>>5508064
>patriarchy
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>>5508843
Pretty much everyone has unpredictable emotions. Most people just learn to deal with it.

>>5508848
Are there any non-Jewish men who control media? If there are, then the number of men who control the media is well above 90%. And Jewish men are still men, they don't count as a whole separate gender.
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>>5509075
you can tell that to Kanjiklub
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>>5509076
They don't count as a separate gender, but they do have a much different worldview than other races. This men vs women, (and blue collar vs white collar, etc.) stuff becomes irrelevant when you see who is orchestrating all of it, and understand why they are doing it.

https://www.darkmoon.me/2014/pornography-as-a-secret-weapon-by-lasha-darkmoon/
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/01/the-sexual-subversion-of-america-part-1-of-2/
http://incogman.net/2015/07/the-jewish-hyper-sexualizing-of-western-culture/
http://incogman.net/2015/03/jews-love-turning-our-teens-into-shiksa-whores/

Neoconservatism
https://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/category/jewish-subversion-2/
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>Why is it so much more socially acceptable to be a lesbian than a gay male?

I don't think it's like that at all, desu. The way you are perceived by others has a lot more to do with your presentation and status than your sexual preference. That's just my experience.
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>>5509076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuXIozVW5e4
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Ellen is great though. So glad she's out. Her gf is tall compared to her and makes art. It gives me hope because I look more like her and have a gf of Ellen's height, lol.
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>>5509076
Sorry, found one more, straight from the source.

Nathan Abrams on Jews in the American porn industry
http://www.jewishquarterly.org/issuearchive/articled325.html?articleid=38

>Perhaps we’d prefer to pretend that the ‘triple-exthnics’ didn’t exist, but there’s no getting away from the fact that secular Jews have played (and still continue to play) a disproportionate role throughout the adult film industry in America. Jewish involvement in pornography has a long history in the United States, as Jews have helped to transform a fringe subculture into what has become a primary constituent of Americana. These are the ‘true blue Jews’.

>Pornography thus becomes a way of defiling Christian culture and, as it penetrates to the very heart of the American mainstream (and is no doubt consumed by those very same WASPs), its subversive character becomes more charged. Porn is no longer of the ‘what the Butler saw’ voyeuristic type; instead, it is driven to new extremes of portrayal that stretch the boundaries of the porn aesthetic. As new sexual positions are portrayed, the desire to shock (as well as entertain) seems clear.

>There is surely an element of rebellion in Jewish X-rated involvement. Its very taboo and forbidden nature serves to make it attractive. As I written in these pages before, treyf signifies ‘the whole world of forbidden sexuality, the sexuality of the goyim, and there all the delights are imagined to lie . . .’ (‘Reel Kashrut: Jewish food in film’, JQ 189 [Spring 2003]).
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>>5508793

White knight, saying nothing implies passive acceptance of what is being hollered.

>You are being rude,
>they don't want to talk to you, leave them alone
>would you treat your mother/sister like this
>etc
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>>5507845
Because lesbians are hot and fags are creepy.
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Because society as a whole cares more about the feelings of women and is more willing to help them.
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>>5509220

Wow, her gf doesn't pass at all
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>>5509251

Nah mate it's the opposite, society doesn't take a decision a woman made as serious or real. Getting coddled like a slave or pet is not a relatively privileged position
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>>5509240
>Pornography thus becomes a way of defiling Christian culture
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>>5509264
There is more than enough data that support that the general public reacts more favorably toward women who are seen abused, wounded, crying or homeless than for men in similar positions of distress. It is utterly undeniable that men are treated as the more dispensable gender in modern western civilization. It is not contradictory to the concept of sexism against women. This social bias can exist and so can sexism against women. They are separate issues. If you have a difficulty accepting this social bias because you find it contradictory to your idea of women being universally oppressed then you have personal issues to address.
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>>5509264
>Getting coddled like a slave or pet is not a relatively privileged position
if that's the case, shouldn't women be protesting when military and first responder requirements a lessened for women so that they can participate? Or that child custody cases usually are ruled in favor of women? Prisons, low wage dangerous jobs, etc. etc.

>>5509264
>society doesn't take a decision a woman made as serious or real
pretty sure the brits still argue today about the decisions Margret Thatcher made, and she is dead and buried.
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>>5508943
>And most chicks have the lez look

Man you really need to get out more.
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Because lesbians are fetishised by straight men.
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>>5509220
>gf
It's obviously a guy. Even femboys passes more than that.
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>>5509559
Correction, especially.

That neck, shoulders and proportions are a dead giveaway.
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Because fathers don't want their daughters going near men.
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Sexism and the male obsession with trying to impress/fit with other men leads to bullying coupled with Religious texts telling countless generations its wrong and evil.
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Because nobody believes lesbians actually exist. People think men are the only ones who are capable of being gay, and lesbians are just trying to be different and draw attention to themselves.
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>>5508594
>their idea that somehow all women crave men

this,kinda female sex drives are lower than men realize honestly
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>>5509253
>>5509559
>>5509568

>Lesbians dislike real butch lesbians but love the "lez till she makes you cum from oral or the guys who are watching want to fuck".
>Will happily pretend to be bi to fuck a straight chick out of their league before chad and or jamal drag said chick away to fuck her to levels of physical pleasure you can't even imagine and you're forced to lay there and have a guilty shlick while listening to her loudly moan as he or they take her apart.

Yeah, you ladies are proving my point more and more.
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>>5509749
>before chad and or jamal drag said chick away to fuck her to levels of physical pleasure you can't even imagine and you're forced to lay there and have a guilty shlick while listening to her loudly moan as he or they take her apart.


>be ftm
>read this
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>>5509749
bislut here, but lmao do you seriously think real dick is that much more pleasurable? men can barely eat it right & the dick is not that much of a difference
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>>5507845
Because female homosexuality has been sexualised in a positive way while homosexuality has been sexualised in a negative way.
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its not more socially acceptable, its just more sexualized.
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>>5509768
yes. real dick is magical.
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>>5509815
you're a man i'm guessing?
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>>5509768
Straight guy here.
Eating pussy, for anyone who puts in the LEAST amount of effort or care, is the easiest thing in the world. I've never not been able to make a woman cum from oral or fingering.
Which is a good thing, because dick to big for most women to take without a lot of foreplay and warming up.
LOL BIG DICK PROBLEMS!

Secondly, if rubber/plastic dick is no different from real dick then why are you bi?
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>>5509749
>you ladies
Faggot actually. Wasn't trying to bully you or anyone for being too boyish and given my own issues it'd be hypocritical to pick on people for that.

It's more that I just find it odd how you pick ideals who have physical traits just like grown men. Doesn't that clash with the superiority mentality?
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>>5509075
This so hard we need more martyr dykes
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>>5509835
>I've never not been able to make a woman cum from oral or fingering.
Being able to make a woman cum doesn't mean the experience was good, my toothbrush can make me cum too

>Secondly, if rubber/plastic dick is no different from real dick then why are you bi?
cause men are hot and women are hot

i'm not hating on dick, i just thought it was funny that person thought the penetration felt THAT much better
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There is not a class of people where the women are hated more than the men. People hate blacks but they hate the black men so much more. Everyone loves Asian women but Asian men are a joke. People hate rich men but don't mind their wives who drink all day and spend all their money. Women in general are not universally hated, which is why women aren't 4 times less likely to be murdered or assaulted. Its also why we think feminism complaining air conditioners is sexist is a legit movement. Female privilege at its finest.
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>>5509823
I wouldn't have the better grasp of reality if I wasn't.
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>>5509851
you sure told me lel
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>>5509868
well, I'm glad we can finally agree on something. :)
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>>5509844
>Being able to make a woman cum doesn't mean the experience was good, my toothbrush can make me cum too
That's nice.
But I figure since they tend to come back or tell me they loved it either with words or silently with action they might have liked it.

But you are right. All orgasms aren't good ones. I've had some downright awful sex and the nut was not worth the effort. Even worse if it takes a while to get the pussy and I really go to town on her.

>cause men are hot and women are hot
I reiterate. Why are you bi? You don't like men and you can have all of the relatively hot women who're more then willing to use a plastic dick and go down on you, you want.

>i'm not hating on dick, i just thought it was funny that person thought the penetration felt THAT much better
K.
But you did just say in another post that plastic dick is no better then real dick. And since you personally do not like men or phallic objects.
Thus your opinion on how said "boner dyke" was getting fucked half to death by chad thundercock and or jamal longdick.
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>>5509868

>using lel
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>>5509888
>You don't like men
>And since you personally do not like men or phallic objects

Holy shit, the projection. i do like men, i've only ever been with a woman a few times, but you're delusional if you think that the penetration is that mind blowingly different

>But you did just say in another post that plastic dick is no better then real dick.
When did i say that? real dick is better, since it is a part of him, but the inside of the vagina barely has nerve endings, almost all the stimulation comes from the clitoris being pulled on from the inside, anything you penetrate it with feels pretty similar

also, don't try so hard trying to type like you're educated, you sound like a neck beard
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>>5509969
>Holy shit, the projection. i do like men, i've only ever been with a woman a few times, but you're delusional if you think that the penetration is that mind blowingly different

I went back and re-read what you said, I thought you said not when referring to men and that really made me wonder what the fuck you were talking about.
Secondly, dick is different from fingers or tongue. The dildo is one of the oldest and oft found objects in any ancient society we ever uncover. I mean if that is as ubiquitous as gender specific clothing swords or religions then doesn't it stand to reason that it's...you know...sexually important.
Lesbians seem to think so.

>When did i say that? real dick is better, since it is a part of him, but the inside of the vagina barely has nerve endings, almost all the stimulation comes from the clitoris being pulled on from the inside, anything you penetrate it with feels pretty similar
Just a few moments ago.

>also, don't try so hard trying to type like you're educated, you sound like a neck beard
I've learned to not become a rage or hard on lead loon online. It's taken some time but I've gotten pretty good at it.
Focus horny anger and whatever else into a single fully controlled point.
And if I come off as a bit agressive and confrontational it's because I haven't fucked in a while and I'm in a fairly negative mood. I tend to get that way when I'm in the mood to fuck something and can't get laid immediately.

Like right now. If we were talking face to face I wouldn't actually try to discuss this with you. I would spend most of my time coming onto you while being a bit too pushy touchy and complimentary, then if everything goes right I'll dominate and fuck you till you completely submit.
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Because women don't matter in society. Like in the book 1984, proles can do what they want but Party members have a strict code of conduct. That doesn't mean the proles are privileged, they just have the "privilege" of being nothing.
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>>5510218
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>>5510230
How is that edgy? It's like the opposite of edgy, a mainstream feminist opinion.
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>>5507845
Because AIDS
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>>5510240
>Women don't matter in society
>1984 as a comparison

Fucking really?
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>>5510188
aspergers syndrome
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>>5508848
>George Lucas: Gay
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>>5511030
It says Goy, idiot
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>>5511040
I'm sorry I actually need glasses and didn't bother opening the image.

Still worth the laugh.
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>>5508847
>soft butch
fuck off lilly you look like a 13 year old boy.
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>>5507945
this this this
Event though it's more like "What a (cis straight) man should want decides what is a cceptable"
I mean, gay men get no love from society too, for being feminine
And some women accept being treated like objects
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>>5508848
You just gotta love /pol/ with that half-assed damage control.
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>>5507946
Literally you sound like a direct copypaste from tumblr
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>>5507845
Literally everyone accept gay men find when attractive, even girls who identify as straight admit all the time to finding other girls hot, so everyone can accept lesbianism as logical. On the other hand, only straight girls and gay guys find dudes attractive, so straight dudes are grossed out by the concept of gay guys. Sorry bro
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>>5507845
Gay men usually go full girly = unmanly/faggot
Women often stay girly = normal

Manly lesbians are as hated as faggots at least where I come from.
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>>5508433
>Do you think we enjoy being viewed as porn material for straight men?
That's been my experience, yes. I've known a great many women of all sexualities who revel in their own attractiveness, no matter who is currently worshipping and/or fetishizing them.

The rest of what you said is pretty spot on though.
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>>5507845
female privilege

really, how can women be so blind to it?
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>>5507845
Because straight men like lesbians. That's all there is to it.

If straight men liked gay men too it wouldn't be one sided.
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>>5507897
My favorite /lgbt/ meme is when every homo pretends to hate us biscum but in reality they really want our virile breeder cocks.
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If you use the words patriarchy, privilege, or any other feminist buzzword in your explanation, then your opinion counts for 1/3 of that of a normal human being.
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>>5521594

>stop having opinions different from mine
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>>5507845
female privilege my friend
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>>5521808
Opinion discarded
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>>5521594
Why should I (or anyone for that matter) care about your opinion?
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lower societal standards for women than for men
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>>5507845
Because masculinity is glorified and the idea of men being dominated by other men makes others uncomfortable and insecure. I've seen people, especially guys, get incredibly upset when the subject of gay men is brought up, like they're personally offended or something.

On the other hand, women are portrayed as sexual and affectionate creatures in society, so the idea of two women being intimate doesn't seem weird or appaling to most. Then again, a lot of people don't think lesbian relationships are "real" because women are affectionate with each other to some degree anyways, so they just see it as girls being girls.

Just my theory from what i've seen and experienced.
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Femininity is considered a bad thing by our society. It's always better to be masculine than feminine.
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Lesbians don't do unclean things (anal sex).
Most cultures have an obsession with cleanliness, that's for example why Muslims don't eat pork or dislike dogs (they consider those animals to be dirty).
And notice how people who don't take care of themselves (like bathe regularly, etc) get bullied for being dirty.
So homophobia based on aversion to filth and shit mostly.
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Because men are raised by society to be never allowed to be submissive in ANY context, sexual or non-sexual.

Women are raised by society to be submissive. The Feminist movements allowed females to stand up for themselves politically and socially, and economically. (Note: Radical feminism, is not part of feminism at all)
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>>5526639
>Radical feminism, is not part of feminism at all
What's your reasoning for that? And what definitions are you using for feminism and radical feminism?
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It's a double-edged sword, anon. Attractive and femme lesbians are "accepted" because of various reasons. I've seen guys act like the worst yaoi obsessed hambeast when they meet a feminine lesbian. With the added bonus of them secretly hoping they'll get to put their dicks in them. If they're butch, then guys talk about how ugly and gross they are.

Hetero girls fall into two camps: they either talk mad shit about them behind their backs and assume every little compliment was a come-on (again, the more butch they are, the worse this is) or they do the whole "Loool gay bf!" thing. With the added bonus of "Omg I can't believe I'm taking fashion advice from a LESBIAN!" and expecting a willing girl to make out with when they're both drunk.

It's the equivalent of my aunt saying she "loves the gays" because they always help her pick out her clothes and give her good hair cuts. It's not "real" acceptance because it's based off of the gay male stereotypes the media has popularized.

I've never been accused of hating women because I'm gay.

Lesbians also have their sexuality called into question in ways that I've never had to deal with.

So I wouldn't say they're more "accepted". I'd just say they have a different set of bullshit that they have to cope with that we don't think about because we don't experience it.

Sauce: I have a small, femme lesbian friend.
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>>5526401
That's true
Everything feminine is considered inferior
>jobs
>activities
>personnality traits like emotivity
>wymen
>faggits
While everything masculine is valorized
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>>5526657
I assume he means the suffrage movement.
Not that many people associate the word "feminism" with them nowadays though. Same with "communism", everyone thinks of soviets, not of left anarchists.
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>>5507845

>people itt saying masculinity is more valued than femininity

Ok, so why are butch lesbians considered disgusting? And why is it when lesbians are murdered, barely anyone talks about it? Unless I see some hard facts and requirements for "socially acceptable," I don't think anyone here can actually prove "lesbians are more socially acceptable than gay men" in the first place.
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>>5526710
jfc radfem shut up. If you want proof, just look at media and count how many lesbians there are compared to gay men. If you want proof, just talk to the average man and he'll tell you that he's okay with lesbians, because they're "hot," but is disgusted by gays. If you want proof, go to colleges or high schools and you'll see a disparity between how many "out" lesbians there are compared to "out" gays. Because being lesbian is more acceptable.

If you want proof, go to any third-world country. If you're gay man, you get stoned and killed, but if you're a lesbian, you're just "confused."
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>>5526743

>count the number of lesbians and gays

OP can do that, since they're the one making the claim.

>talk to a man

Talk to a straight woman. It'll be an even mix between the two. Some will be homophobic, or fetishistic, or ambivalent.

>count the out people

Again, OP can do this.

>lesbians do not get stoned

Lmao. See, you're mad as fuck just for me questioning the unsupported assumption in the op. I barely had to do anything. Are you a gay man?
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>>5526710
because they have no dicks.
And people make the connection between dicks and masculinity
>I don't think anyone here can actually prove "lesbians are more socially acceptable than gay men" in the first place.
how can one be that fucking deluded.
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>>5526771

>because they have no dicks

So, do people find trans women who are "butch" attractive? Anyway, if it's the pussy that bothers you, then you could just say that.

>how can one be that fucking deluded.

I know gay men like to say this shit, but just because they do, does not mean it's actually true.
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its because lesbians are fucking hot
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>>5507845
Male supremacy.


I'm not memeing here.

When a girl is a lesbian she's often considered like 'one of the guys' by the other men. In a way, they see her as trying to be more like them, by fucking other women. In their eyes, she's aspiring to climb the ladder.

When society sees a gay man, they think of him trying to be more like a woman, who are considered inferior. Therefore, the man is activelly trying to worsen himself, to go down the social rank ladder.

tl;dr cis white men
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>>5526793
It's not my personal advice, it's how I think
>So, do people find trans women who are "butch" attractive?
It's not "attractive" it's "valorized", and transwomen want to cut their dick so it's classified blasphemy to the phallocentrism
>I know gay men like to say this shit, but just because they do, does not mean it's actually true.
No.... but..... come on man, you can't just affirm the contrary of something that's obvious, I mean technically you can but come on it's late, I haven't eaten, I can't find hunger game 4 in good quality and you're saying some dumb ass shit
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>>5526832
how i didnt think in that
now evrything makes sense
my life isnt the same anymore
im fucking serious
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>>5526850

>transwomen want to cut their dick
>valorized

The sooner the general public drop this myth the better. 80% keep their dicks, they don't really want to slice it open and invert it.

>It's not my personal advice, it's how I think

???

>you can't just affirm the contrary of something that's obvious, I mean technically you can but come on it's late, I haven't eaten, I can't find hunger game 4 in good quality and you're saying some dumb ass shit

You should probably go eat, then. And dude, no, just because you feel like something is true, doesn't mean it is.

>>5526832

>male supremacy proves that some females are treated better than some males
>male
>supremacy
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>>5509326
troof
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>>5509326

>more than enough data

Let's see this data, nerd!
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We're taught growing up that female sexuality is "fluid" while male sexuality is "fixed", which is in essence also a carryover from how we see the overall psychology of men and women. Both have equally positive and negative connotations, but the fact remains we as a society are more comfortable knowing our daughters can "come around" at any time while are sons are stuck as sexual deviants (in reference to both conservative homophobia and progressivist misandry) forever.
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>>5526988
>80% keep their dicks, they don't really want to slice it open and invert it.
Do you think people are really going to check whether you do or not
The thing is that they affirm out loud that they are not cis men master race, here's the problem to ignorant people

>???
>not understanding your opinion should be separated from your feelings

>You should probably go eat, then. And dude, no, just because you feel like something is true, doesn't mean it is.
Ok I'm too fucking tired to find statistics on how gay males get beaten up in the streets, get called faggots, or even murdered while lesbians are porn objects worth getting fapped on
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>>5526832
>people actually seriously use the term cis white men on 4chan

Oh boy
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>>5527047

Ok, but we were talking about why butch women weren't considered attractive (in fact, revolting to just about everyone), and you specifically said it was lack of dick. So are trans women considered attractive if they're butch and have a dick?

>thinking "It's not my personal advice, it's how I think" makes sense as a sentence

>Ok I'm too fucking tired to find statistics on how gay males get beaten up in the streets, get called faggots, or even murdered while lesbians are porn objects worth getting fapped on

Ok. So no proof, eh? Then if we're just throwing shit around, here's my opinion on why this belief of "lesbians have it better" is commonly held by gay men who, like yourself, have no actual proof: they wish straight men fetishized them instead of killing them and thus lash out as lesbians, who men fetishize AND kill.
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>>5527097
>So are trans women considered attractive if they're butch and have a dick?
Imagine you're talking to a very ignorant person, that has never heard about /lgbt/ issues or anything
What he will hear is "trans women are men that don't want to be men, that are most likely to dislike manhood" and they will mix up manhood and dick, that wouldn't make any difference to them, if you don't like your dick you don't like your manhood and if you don't like your manhood you don't like your dick
It's like the myth that say that lesbians don't exist, it's because there is no visible dick
>Ok. So no proof, eh? Then if we're just throwing shit around, here's my opinion on why this belief of "lesbians have it better" is commonly held by gay men who, like yourself, have no actual proof: they wish straight men fetishized them instead of killing them and thus lash out as lesbians, who men fetishize AND kill.
I'm a lesbian actually, that's why I emphasized on the fact that my personal advice doesn't influence my opinion
What are you by the way
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>>5526743
Why are you calling them a radfem? Aren't radfems the ones that think masculinity is more valued?
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>>5526988
>>male supremacy proves that some females are treated better than some males
>>male
>>supremacy
Yes, this is why the talk about "female privilege" is so misleading. Females are given preferential treatment BECAUSE they're considered inferior, and this is done largely at the choice of men, who were the ones that pretty much established a patriarchal society structure; women had virtually no formal political power in those days. The patriarchal society views the female is something inferior, to be pitied and protected, like a child. And that's the source of preferential treatment and "benevolent sexism". Women are protected, and obviously necessary for reproduction, but they're not envied, and any man seeking to be like a woman is considered to be lowering himself, not to mention "cheating the system" because under a pure patriarchal society structure the ONLY thing a woman has to offer is the ability to make children.

>>5527050
This is the /lgbt/ board.
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>>5527253
>This is the /lgbt/ board.

Yeah i dont know why i come here sometimes.
I am a cis white swine, but i probably just like to get to know about different perspectives here and there.
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>>5507845
Same reason FtM's get less bile hurled at them than MtF's: lesbians are more like men, which is acceptable, and gay men are more like women, which is unacceptable.
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>>5526189
I don't expect you to care, because I'm fairly certain you'll run screaming to your Tumblr feminist hugboxes about "muh privluge and muh patreearchy."
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>>5527271
cis isnt a pejorative term bro, it just means not trans
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Because popular culture's portaryal of gay men is usually ridiculous flaming flamboyant ultraqueer Project RuPaul Drag Race Runway pastel fuscia rainbow metro types while lesbians are generally portrayed as normalchicks with GFs instead of BFs.
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>>5527253
Contrary to popular Tumblr believe, /pol/ and /r9k/ do not represent the bulk of western society.

I've seen enough attitudes of female reverence and superiority to know that you're full of it. It's 2016 not ancient Greece FFS.
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>>5507845
Because women are considered pretty while men are considered ugly therefore why would a guy put his dick in the latter over the former?

Also because butt sex is gross and, like, involves poop and stuff.
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>>5533780
There's also the fact that male sexuality is more frowned upon in our society than female sexuality.
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