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But I already know how bad it is and don't need people to tell me things I know.
Getting called cute by friends pretty much confirms that i'm being hugboxed and i'm manly and gross and they just try to make me feel better.
I just want to get on my knees while a man feeds me his cock. I have never been so horny for dick, I have no clue what to do.
did hrt change your hands mtfg?
only pre transition pic of my hand I have btw
>mfw mom tells you look pretty and looked cute on xmas but didnt say it out loud
>she never has said anything like that
>so far the entire half of a year that ive been out to her was like:
>anon you sure you want to b grill, no womb
>look handsome, look like this and that male person
>dress up all boy when you see us or siblings
>now looking at worst angle distorted pics, ughhh so ugly and manly
M-mooom were you hugboxing or are you sick?
I thought i could count on you telling me when im girl enuf.
It made my nails a lot more brittle. Before HRT, I had no trouble at all keeping long nails. Now they just break for no reason. Other, than that, nope, no change. Still got the same long and thin hands that make cis women envious...
How am I making you feel bad? ;-;
Probably not, everyone stops talking to me because i'm so awful to talk to.
>tfw mom says you're cute and have a really bad view of yourself
>tfw shrink gives you reddit tier hugboxing
>tfw all normal people would agree that you're an orc tier man
Those were falsies in the first pic, I have never painted my fingernails or grew them long, I only have painted my toes because I have to hide being feminine still.
Also if your nails are brittle I suggest biotin.
i thought u were asleep ;-;
>>tfw mom says you're cute and have a really bad view of yourself>tfw shrink gives you reddit tier hugboxing
STOP DOING THIS you fucking troll
Why don't you take their fucking word for it? Nobody ever says anything like this about me and you get it and think they're fucking lying to you??
>tfw used to only like men but hrt made you like girls too
Am I doing it wrong?
I can't but people who have seen it would agree that it's as bad as I think probably.
Why would I be asleep at 8pm?
Because they're lying to make me feel better lmao?
People are just very nice in Sweden and all moms hugbox.
W-who are you. Remember someone saying that once before.
And ew no.
Memma pls. Get half of my ice cream if you stop being delusional, all of it if you actually take a pic of you now and post it somewhere to get opinions.
Its not that tough, you wont feel more miserable than now when you wonder slightly if others see you like yourself and say that they hugbox you while you see yourself as a sudokutier thingie. If you are actually off as bad you think, it wont change anything. Atleast you will know ._.
Btw your pre hrt pic wasnt bad so it wont be orc tier.. Ever <:
Well, I used to be. Now I'm too old for that, so I'm settling for your typical teen persona, edgy and random. Given how many kids walk up to me to tell me my clothes look cool, I'd say I'm not too far off target. I couldn't dress like a reasonable middle-aged woman, anyway. Way too dull and I have no reason to, now that I'm freeloading.
I can't remember a time when I didn't have long nails. My parents had my hair cut short way too often when I was a kid, but they never bothered with cutting my nails. And given that I've been using either polish or transparent base coat for a couple decades, I could almost paint my nails with my eyes closed. I sometimes do it while driving. Nothing like a long road trip to have them dry without messing them up.
>Where is the boy tinkler at?
This is a blue board Elanna, feel free to post your butt though, that's completely within limits and probably in larger demand.
I wish I could do my nails but like I was in earth moving till last January so like I was never able to paint my nails and since I am still not really out yet I can't paint them. I feel so shitty that I can't but I am saving myself a whole lot of beatings by not painting them.
i remember you saying your brother was one of the very few people who made you feel feminine. i really think you should let him catch you checking out his bulge while blushing and twirling your hair.
So are you having fun just acting like a child and tearing people down?
Your life must be amazing, honny
Well I look manlier now and no matter what I do I still look extremely manly.
>Six years a neet does do a number to your sanity and self image though
I'm not crazy =/
>6 years being a neet
fuck man, i'm going on 7. god.
It'll be 7 years for me this year too.
It's truly the best way to live when you're extremely masculine and will never pass.
Mine are plenty strong from all the biotin I take for my hair. Also painting them clear defeats the purpose, I want them red or pink.
oh come on it couldn't be so bad? after all, you acknowledge his hyper-masculinity. now just imagine having multiple orgasms as he's carrying your spread out thighs using his arm strength, while he fucks you silly in the middle of the living room. you are looking into deeply into his eyes for the first time and realizing what you have been looking for was right infront of you all along.
>What am I supposed to be doing o.o
uhmm posting butt again for anon and cartman duh .....
Hi how are u Elanna !!
Doing anything fun today ~ ?
uhmm idk what sound umaru makes desu
prolly a really cute one ^^
uhmm how are u ??
I saw u were going on a date w/ ur tutor or professor or smthing ??
that sounds v exciting o-o
I was a neet for 4 years in middle school .-.
kinda sucks being a neet when you're a kid l-lol
Decent clothes that mesh well with pink or red nails aren't that easy to find, unless you're talking about dark reds and subdued pinks, but I doubt you are. You should do your nails to fit what you're wearing, not the other way around anyway.
I have really strong nordic features so i'll never pass, I look like the 40 years old hons except i'm 23.
H-hi. I'm doing pretty ok, just enjoying my last day off before classes. I have homework to do before my first class though ;~;
Also, I got all my grades back, pic related :3
Do you really re-paint your nails every other day? Or do you have to wear the same color clothes for 1-2 weeks? My nails will match what I'm wearing when I paint them but as the week goes on...
My nails always last anywhere between a week to two weeks before the polish starts chipping off too much and they look so shitty it's time to re-paint them.
I didn't attend classes lol
got kicked out of school and then my mom didn't re enroll me for awhile
eventually got into an alternative middle school where I had to go to school for like 20 mins a month to get work for the next month then do it at home
o sleep well kit !! I hope ur dreams are rlly sweet <3
>it wasn't a date it was just like hanging out thing with her
oo that sounds fun though !! did you two have a good time ??
not very fun desu
I loved it though lol
omg those grades
pls teach me !!
aww homework sucks esp on the first day ; _ ; I'm sure ull get it done quick tho !!
wow he doesn't even look real >///>;;
re place ! w/ a .
uhmm are u okay @____@
yeah that really isn't her posting obviously. as someone has said she has been on hrt for way longer, and using her pictures is gross
idk whichever sociopath is posting pictures of her, but she isn't coming back. please get over it, and cut out being gross
Kit! Hi :3
Currently in a game dev stream but I decided way back that I'm switching into general programming.
That's only a hobby ;~;
Which one is yes and which one is no?
It really does, but I get the feeling one of my instructors this term doesn't fuck around. It should be fun either way though. Hope you have fun with frog.
I get the sense that you don't know a lot about politics or economics.
>I am like the only one here now that isn't full time yet I have been on mones non stop for almost a year.
I've been on mones longer and younger and still not fulltime
and u pass better Kayla pls
oo well I hope you feel challenged w/ that class then !!
can be fun if u rlly enjoy it ^^
Kayla has a girlvoice
Literally anyone with a girlvoice can pass
99% of passing is the fucking voice so I hate hearing whining from trannies who have actually managed to get that shit down.
What's up mtfg? How y'all doin today? ^-^
sometimes when i kinda pass people don't seem to care about my voice
and i don't know why
like people don't believe i'm male even when i talk
and i look like a guy and talk like a guy (maybe a bit faggy)
>tfw no girlvoice at all nor place or time to practice it
>not just becoming neet and accepting you'll always be a manly man
It doesn't help on the phone ;~;
>tfw your ex hugboxed you for years and you went off on them and they admitted to it
There was one very autistic person in one of my classes, but everyone else seemed pretty ok. Just a lot of younger students honestly, I'm way older than most of them.
;~; do you live with your parents?
Voice therapy helps a lot, I hope it works out well for you
Why did I get adultery as my sin? x ^x
I'm not a cheater!!
Not matter how degenerate or horny I am.
Not a long term solution no. I think I need to work on it again. Or, maybe just think about it more when I talk ;_;
Thank you for being honest with me about it though, not a lot of people are.
I mean, asking them helps, but then again mine denied it until a few days ago, which was months after we broke up.
How to pass when
>huge hands and feet
>awful manly face with caveman features
>manly hair no matter what I do with it
I just want to stop living like this and pass
>implying i've ever gotten any advice
>just do it :)
You do need to just do it. You need to post face, work on voice, believe your therapist and family, go back to school or get a job, find hobbies that take you outside. Literally everything about your life is fucked and keeping you stuck where you are. I want you, in the nicest way, to fuck off and never use 4chan again.
>post face and get bullied
>believe your shrinks and families obvious lies
>go back to school as a disgusting man and feel like crap cosntantly
Wow thanks :D
Why would I stop using 4chan?
It's the only reason i'm still sane.
Yeah, it's true, but I mean, at least I have the motivation to fix it now. It makes a lot more of an impact when someone else is willing to confirm it rather than assuming my manvoice is in my head ;_;
It's hard, there's a lot of reasons that could make him sullen. It's impossible to know if they're hugboxing, but remember that if they are, they're doing it out of a place of caring about you and wanting you to feel better, as misguided as it might be.
Because I don't want to hurt my best friend and crush and i'm a fucking coward.
>tfw will never be able to pass and be his gf
When he stops talking to me then i'm ready to die if I get some courage.
Neat I got a free shirt from work. I'm p sure my boss knows I'm hella gay since he gave me pink tho LOL
Maybe you should pick up reading instead?
>tfw got a new promotion
>tfw cute guy wants to take me out for drinks, dinner, movie, etc.
>tfw become normalfag
There's hope girls
Kind of wish I never met him so it would be easier, it's hard to care about someone.
>tfw don't live in murrica so I can get a gun and shoot myself and my annoying as fuck neighbour.
She was a very well passing trip who insisted she was a gay man and would constantly talk about how manly she looked every day. She would also post shit from /r/gendercritical about how we're all delusional men.
It's fast food, they're greedy fuckers.
>if you get your yearly raise in close enough proximity to being promoted they won't give you your promotion raise
>puts on my visor that says "erp this"
Flying to Edmonton /w-when/...?
>constantly talk about how manly she looked every day
Is that why people called me mini-rawr?
The difference is that i'm actually manly as fuck and she could pass.
We had shiftleaders who had been working there for years that barely made more than me.
>GM had a large list of people he needed to terminate because he wanted to cheat the system and win 10k for being the best shop this year
Poor GM, the DM found out and got really pissed, I wonder if he has any chance at the 10k still. That corner cutting scumbag.
Hon came from hon's tendencies to abuse the word hon obscenely. I remember there was a link to a hon's huge "So you want to be a tgirl" page, if you ctrl+f'd "hon" it hit at least 23 results.
>another week till my flats arrive
yet another problem with being trans, having to order my fucking shoes
Everyone answer this poll RIGHT NOW
Three years hrt and no changes other than boobs.
>tfw super lovely gf that wants to hug you to death
this makes me scared to go on hrt even though i have a chance. what do
I use this method religiously
Start with your highest falsetto. If you sound like a cartoon character with big round ears that lives in Anaheim, you've got it! Now take that voice and bring the pitch down as low as you can WITHOUT BREAKING YOUR VOICE. You see, if you break your voice it will "come out front" again, and you'll be using the full voice box for modulation - just what you don't want.
Take your voice down as low as you can go in falsetto. That's the spot. You will notice that neither the top nor bottom of your larynx is vibrating very much, if at all. Now, before I explain what to do once you get to that spot, let's examine the other method of arriving there. If you try both methods, one will work best for you. Also, by trying both, you will have a better sense - a "cross reference" of where your voice needs to be.
Just go back in your throat the way you do when you gargle and make that standard gargling sound. When you do, you will automatically tighten up your throat. You will find that your voice is resonating from exactly the same place either with the lowest falsetto or the gargling. However, with the gargling, you can actually feel both the top and bottom of your larynx vibrating.
The point you want to reach for this voice is the center between where you put your voice to gargle and the lowest falsetto you have. Some people like to do character voices for fun. If you can do a little old man voice in this pitch and say, "the Wicked Witch of the West" over and over at least 50 times in a row in this gargle pitch. Then resume falsetto after this exercise and you will sound feminine.
As I mentioned before, the first time I found this voice I hit it by accident. Then I got stuck. So if you try this exercise and are not living full-time as a woman, make sure you have an hour or so to find your way back to male voice just in case.
>Huh interesting. I never would have known that little tidbit
Yeah, it basically represents older, unpassing transgirls that act really creepy and cringey. That's why everyone insults each other with it here, they either really want to get to you or are joking with you.
>I want that feel ;_;
I'm really fortunate to have it, it was luck/chance that I got her and I'm thankful every moment.
>hey guys look at my man sized plate of food
Just fucking do it, what's the alternative? Not doing it and killing yourself eventually because you didn't even try?
If you try and pass, you'll be happy. If you try and don't, you'll end up in the same place as if you didn't. It's worth it to try, anon.
>Why is itnso common in older transitioners tho?
Beats me, I try to avoid hon just because it sounds so weird. I'd either go full honey or avoid the word together.
>Maybe one day heh. I'm hoping hrt makes me attractive at all x.x
It will, believe in yourself! My girl loves me even though I'm pre-hrt, she doesn't care what gender I am and she's just the best.
>tfw used to have a lot of hope and think I could pass eventually and was positive about my transition
What happened to me? ;_;
>16" aren't even big for a bio male
>eat something skinnyfag
>deal with it. grow your nails long and paint them, they'll make your hands look less man-wide
>grow it out and then go to a fucking salon and don't be a pussy. tell them explicitly you want a female haircut.
>this can be an advantage
>tfw no 5'5 professional twitch streamer bf
you have said you were gendered correctly in boy mode?
its time to give up trying to hold on to being a man because thats not who you are
>And thanks for the kind words they give me hope c:
Good! Hold on to that hope! Some days will be harder than others, and you might lose sight of it, but you need to hold on to it with both hands! Never let go of hope, you'll make it to your dream of being a beautiful woman some day!
>I can't just waltz into a woman's clothing store and go casually perusing their selection
Literally the world thing that's ever happened to me was old women occasionally giving me weird looks, no-one cares.
Ya know. It probably won't mean much, but thanks I'm gunna screencap this post and read it on days when I'm feeling down and wanna give up. C:
okay this guy really wants to do stuff to me. hes texting me and I don't want to have to meet up time to time... holy shit he has kids
>Its something you're gonna have to get over.
I know but god damn it was hard just to go to my clinic in girl mode. Funny thing, the drive went great because I didn't give a shit if I didn't pass or not in my car, no one gives a shit when you are driving but like as soon as I stepped out of my truck I froze. I did eventually get my walk down pretty good as I went there and two black women behind me shouted "work it girl" I guess my hips were swaying but like I don't need that kind of attention
The more you do it the easier it becomes. Its something I had to practice when I came out of the closet. I mean i dont look like a girl at all but I had to get used to everyone else seeing me as gay and getting used to that.
I think ur in the same boat. You gotta get comfortable being seen as something different than ur used too.
>tfw don't know where to start with fixing myself
My bobs are starting to grow again after over a year of no growth beyond buds. Maybe I won't be cursed with a flat chest after all.
The trick is not to look at other people... then you can't see that they are looking at you badly.
Even if you look like a tranny just remember that you look better than plenty of cis women... you're less disgusting to look at than a 300 Lb Walmart scooterbeast and those are all over the place.
Pick something! You can fix yourself as long as you start, you just need to take one little step, and then another, and another after that. You don't need to do everything at once, just something small. I know you can.
I already do small things but it's not getting me anywhere.
i could be a big guy [spoiler]for you[/spoiler]
I do? This is news to me. Since when?
>tfw will never have a bf buy me valentines day chocolates even though I don't like chocolate
>tfw you will never operate a dickgirl farm where young mtfs can learn to pass
How do I get the motivation to do that shit every day though when it makes me feel terrible?
Even if I got an okay voice which wouldn't be super hard since I never have to use my male voice I would still be gross and manly
My face is a much bigger problem than my body too.
In all honesty, memes aside, I don't mind short guys. My one friend is like 5'7" but he can still pick me up with ease and still looks big to me. Or maybe I'm just a little bitch.
>roommate starts doing push-ups
>his grunting turns me on
Does this mean I'm slutty?
There's no motivation though since I know i'll never make it and in the end i'll always be stuck with this man face that will stop me from passing ever.
>you'll feel terrible and not work on it, making you feel even more terrible
This is my life
I think you need to stop visiting /pol/ lol. I'm sorry the fact that I'm trans and black upsets you so much.
I hope you have a gr8 day miss.
I never noticed any progress the last times i've tried though, no matter what I do with my voice I sound boyish.
Same with my face really ;_;
anyone else tempted to get like really really fat? I wonder if it would help me pass better
not really fat but it would be ok to lose all the weight first and getting back to chubby afterwards
but i also wish i could wear smaller clothes
maybe i go full skeleton and gain just a bit back afterwards