A penis can be a boy's body part, but there can't be a boy penis because penises aren't self-aware. A penis can be a girls' body part, but there can't be a girl penis because penises aren't self-aware.
>>5479357 m8 don't i know it. i'm on my second period in 10 years after self medding with T injections. i mean i feel proud and pleased i'm functionally female, but laying on a couch with a hot water bottle on your tummy, crying at Jack's death scene in The Titanic instead of giggling like an edgy cynical cunt like usual... fucking hell
>>5479317 Not in any real meaningful sense. A neo-vagina is not part of normal male anatomy, the only thing male about it is that the biological material it is made from was once part of a biologically male body.
>>5479352 It's a penis that is part of a girl's body.
>>5479586 >Not in any real meaningful sense. A neo-vagina is not part of normal male anatomy, the only thing male about it is that the biological material it is made from was once part of a biologically male body.
Yes, its a mangled fucksock. Not a normal part of male anatomy, but neither is an arm that was blown off by an ied. Its still made up of XY chromosomes and once part of a functioning dick.
Trans btw, I just like to keep it real and break the tranny circlejerk.
>>5479622 And I'm saying that unless you're a biologist studying it, it really doesn't matter that it's made of flesh that once was part of a penis. What matters for practical purposes is its form and function, with mirror those of a vagina rather than any part of male anatomy.
>>5479685 Lol, if you want to live in denial I guess. Sure, you may not be able to feel the difference, and at least some neovaginas look pretty real. But you'll always know deep down that it isn't the real thing.
>>5479622 >Its still made up of XY chromosomes Irrelevant to sex according to geneticist http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
>These discoveries have pointed to a complex process of sex determination, in which the identity of the gonad emerges from a contest between two opposing networks of gene activity. Changes in the activity or amounts of molecules (such as WNT4) in the networks can tip the balance towards or away from the sex seemingly spelled out by the chromosomes. “It has been, in a sense, a philosophical change in our way of looking at sex; that it's a balance,” says Eric Vilain, a clinician and the director of the Center for Gender-Based Biology at the University of California, Los Angeles. “It's more of a systems-biology view of the world of sex.”
>According to some scientists, that balance can shift long after development is over. Studies in mice suggest that the gonad teeters between being male and female throughout life, its identity requiring constant maintenance. In 2009, researchers reported7 deactivating an ovarian gene called Foxl2 in adult female mice; they found that the granulosa cells that support the development of eggs transformed into Sertoli cells, which support sperm development. Two years later, a separate team showed8 the opposite: that inactivating a gene called Dmrt1 could turn adult testicular cells into ovarian ones. “That was the big shock, the fact that it was going on post-natally,” says Vincent Harley, a geneticist who studies gonad development at the MIMR-PHI Institute for Medical Research in Melbourne
And despite never taking a college level bio course, you think you know better than the scientific consensus, how?
>>5479718 I'm not denying anything, I'm just saying it makes more sense to call it a vagina because that's what it is, even if it is made out of a penis. A house is a house whether it's made out of stone or wood, and you can clearly tell which one it's made out of, however they're both houses because they fit the form and function of a house. I don't see why the same logic shouldn't apply here.
>>5479387 To put it bluntly, I bleed out of my dick. Penis is normal shaped, blood comes out where you pee. Although, that's due to the fucked up shit with the stitched together balls, they turned out looking okay over the years, usually the blood goes into the balls.
>>5479724 Dude, you are horrible at comprehending scientific studies. You twist them to fit your biases.
Let's look at what's posted here.
>some scientists observed that balance can shift in the sex hormones/cells of mice
Notice, that these studies are still under development and nothing really conclusive has been said. The mice also aren't surgically altered artificially like humans do to themselves. The mice they're studying are born with intersex conditions which allows the changes to happen in them. Very similar to intersex humans.
Biologically born males who later grow up to artificially change their bodies to appear female are still bio males. Most transexuals are not intersex, ie. born with abnormal reproduction systems/genitalia
>>5479233 MtF here. Penises is a guy's body part. If MtF wants to keep it after transtitioning, then she's mentally ill, not a transsexual. Face it: You transition, you lose it. You don't transition, you turn into a gorilla with penis.
>>5479233 "girl penis" and "feminine penis" are terms, that instantly point out how dumb a person is. It's a fucking male sex organ, by definition this means, that females don't have it. This is why the LGB should free themselves of the T and all the other bullshit, it's just dumb.
A penis is male and a vagina is female if you're somebody who enjoys science. There is very rarely a grey area, and obviously that does exist, but that is an exception to the rule which is based in fact.
However whether or not you identify as male, female, or non-binary isn't contingent upon your genitals.
>>5479724 >>5480355 >>http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio105/geneprob.htm Sex (It’s a Phenotype, Not a Chromosome!): Dunno, even introductory genetics courses pretty much agree >you're horrible Uh no, anon was dumb enough to say that chromosomes and not autosomal gene expression are what's involved. That view has been discredited since we could sequence and probe DNA. Nature outright talks about how the scientific consensus is on gene expression that's needed for sex development.
If you had too much trouble reading, all they said is that you alter expression and you develop something else. Basic central dogma.
Foxl2 and dmrt1 are both conserved in humans, they're also utilized for sex development and the pathway, much like all other Mamilian development ones are homologous. http://www.proteinatlas.org/ENSG00000183770-FOXL2/tissue
So why you're saying all mentioned of the central dogma and molecular genetics is wrong is beyond me. Please run and tell a professor that gene expression is meaningless and that instead all that matters are chromosomes who do the even hold the relevant genes.
Because really, it's funny hearing you say that genes and biochemical pathways common to all mammals are some myth.
none of this matters one bit unless you're actually engaging in science. for the overwhelming majority of humans, you are male, female, or a statistically irrelevant anomaly unlikely to reproduce.
I think its a real testament to modern day tolerance and kindness that we've put so much work into studying and helping the handful of people that fall into the "irrelevant other" bucket. It far exceeds the benefit to society but I guess it's interesting to science.
but no, penises are not female or girly in any way
>>5481576 >for the overwhelming majority of humans So you say normal humans have radically alien and distinct biochem/genes and that expression isn't the thing constituting their sex/phenotype either? Nah
I think it's telling that you claim genetics and studies of what are good models for gene networks and expression are some sort of bourgeois project according to you. Those RNAi they used to change sex here in different networks could do organ regeneration. Sex just happens to be more self contained and easier to study. No, models which we can use for other trickier systems aren't some sort of tumblr scam and doctors don't need to beg you for your permission.
>>5481669 Genetic knowledge is highly relevant to all behaviors, all industries, and general enlightenment. You're a complete moron, frankly. And there's no such thing as an evolutionary mistake. There is only chaos. For there to be a mistake, there would have to be a determined direction.
I'll never understand trannies if biology doesn't make you a man or woman. If gender roles don't make you a man or a woman or less than a man or women for not following it. Wtf does, cause biology and gender roles are the only thing that could possibly make a man a man or a woman a woman. So How the fuck do you know your another gender.
>>5485161 Yeah but you get gender dysphoria because you don't feel like the gender you were assigned. You were assigned a gender due to biological reason. Therefore the only way you could ever feel like another gender is if you feel you fit into other gender role. If gender roles don't determine a gender or biological reasons that means men and women are exactly the same and that's a fucking lie. The only way trans identities make any sense if you acknowledge gender roles. Since you wouldn't feel dysphoria if there was a diffrence between men and women. Or maybe they do it because they think that being "assigned the wrong gender" made them insecure while instead maybe they are just a fucking failure that needs to blame something to feel better about themselves since they have no redeeming qualities and skills. So transitioning is just a placebo to cope with being a fucking failure not their gender.
>>5485257 It has nothing to do with gender roles. Dysphoria often comes from biological reasons. Since gender roles are enforced, which does not mean that they are real, they can feel dysphoric since you do not fit into a social role that you feel like you should be in.
>>5485286 If gender roles don't exist and a trans person knows it why would a trans person be trans. If a man who is feminine who has female features and scrawny etc. Does things females do. But has a dick he is still a male. That's how it was widely accepted until recently. But since to identify a gender you can just choose, and like you said gender roles aren't real but trans people feel like they fit in a certain social role. They change genders to fit that role. But if they know social roles and gender roles aren't real why would they feel they need to switch. The only way being trans makes sense is accepting gender/social roles because clearly biology does not matter know.
>>5485360 The until recently claim is quite plainly false, trans people have existed for most of documented history. You are again missing the point, the reason why people are trans is that their brain tells them that their body does not fit their gender. Since the features of bodies are associated with gender roles trans people often feel the need to act in a certain way, because society pressures the people of their gender identity to act in that way.
>>5485382 I meant accepted into the mainstream community, a lot it people have never heard of transgender people or really cared about them until now. How do trans people know that the brain is telling them that they are a different gender or telling them they are a worthless shit pile because they suck and have zero redeeming qualities. Then associate that feeling with their gender, and manage to actually believe it because they try to desperately grasp at something to validate their shitty self. They get a placebo effect and they actually believe that when they transitioned they were that gender and somehow made them feel better. I only have a problem with trans people because (most)besides transitioning they have little redeeming qualities and skills.
>>5485522 The brain does that because thats just a thing it has evolved to do. And from time to time what the brain tells the person and the genitals of the person do not match up due to a mismatch in the development of that person.
>>5485587 How do people know that they are really a gender, just cause they feel like it and not just bullshitters and looking for attention or using it as an excuee because its too hard being a certain gender and they think they are better at being another one. Like what the fuck are they thinking. Is their brain telling them they are male even though they are from female. How would they know if they are. Why would they need to transition if it is seen as okay for one gender to do things the other gender usually does. My overall questions how does a trans person know they are a different gender and why would they want to transition if it is seen as okay to do shit the other gender would do. Even if society says a girl has to do this and this and like you said is wrong why would they give a fuck? Shit wtf is the diffrence between man and women if apparently biology doesn't count and social roles/gender roles don't exist like you said.
>>5485606 But how do they know they have body dysphoria and not some other stuff the brain is telling them. And they believe they have it when they don't. If it isn't gender roles why would they feel like they need to have a cock or boobs. Because they feel they want to be in a different body how the fuck would they know.
>>5485661 Why can anyone say they are a male or female just cause they say so. Fine I'm a woman no ,since anyone can say they are something because biology doesn't matter I'm a fucking black woman and all of your biological proof does not matter because I said so and I lived in the ghetto like most blacks so I'm black. And I feel closer to my negro kind so you can't say shit and I feel uncomfortable when people don't discriminate me even though I have never been discriminated against.
>>5485667 No this whole conversation, this dialogue that has been allowed to go on is absolutely rubbish its just idiotic banter about things that simply are not real. Is there such a thing as a "girl penis"? no there is not its nonsense. Tell me this, Why would any intelligent adult think this to be true?
>>5485670 The only reason trans shit makes sense is if they would rather be an other gender because they enjoy their social role and feel more connected to that gender if they changed their biology. Wanting to have boobs or cock because you think it will make you feel better and you make your own placebo. That is fucking retarded. Maybe your brain is fucking with you cause it is telling you are a degenerate person not that you would be a less degenerate by "switching genders" at the end of the day they are still idiots. At least become useful to society instead of doing some gender studies bullshit
>>5485682 why is a little imagination harmful? what makes humans humans is the ability to fantasize and this is what separates us from lower animals. taking it away like you do now ruins the fun we are having making you the ultimate party pooper, the grinch of the village, unappreciated scrooge, mister high and mighty and everyone hates you
so just stop worrying and learn to love the girl tinkler
>>5485596 Except they're not. We've seen penises on XX, XXY, XYY, XY, and even weirder. We've seen penises on people who didn't have penises last time they were checked. We've seen penises on all sorts of things. We've made mice grow penises just because we can.
Adapt to the new scientific models, you troglodyte. You're not some brave crusader for justice. You're a bitching toddler upset that words are more complicated than you had assumed they were.
>>5485666 >>5485652 You are so fucking stupid that it is unfathomable. You must be the fountain from which all moron ideas flow into the uncountable idiots of this world. Your retardation is infinite and ever-flowing. Please try to wrap your sun-dried brain stem around this little nugget of wisdom:
people know what their brain tells them because of the intuitive function of the brain. The discomfort of dysphoria comes from the brain getting the identity wrong, in comparison to the way the genes have regulated hormones to develop the rest of the body.
BRAIN DON'T MATCH BODY YA FEEL IT IT'S NOT COMPLICATED, FAGGOT.
>>5485717 Humanity has crushed all opposition in this world with the use of logic and reason, not with only petty "imagination", Imagination without logic and reason creates nothing but chaos. No artist has ever produced anything of worth without these four things; Logic, Reason, learned talent, and Imagination. without the other three he makes worthless nonsense. and that is what this thread it, worthless nonsense that does not change biological fact or even begin to de-construct it, to make the change you want to see, fight with reason if you really think your right then others will fallow, you can change it... but not like this.
the ultimate party pooper, the grinch of the village, unappreciated scrooge, mister high and mighty. Bosie F. XD
>>5497022 Looks like no one ever looked at the monographs for estrace and spironolactone. Hormones effect your entire physical being, not just change your outward bodily expression, though, they do that too, though
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