NSFW images of SRS:
Chett and McGinn: http://imgur.com/a/6q7ao
Misc SRS: http://imgur.com/a/6ueJD
Unknown SRS: http://imgur.com/a/f0jRN
Questions? Hopes? Gossip?
Which surgeon are you going to? What do you think of the pictures? Who has the worst and who has the best SRS vag?
Probably Chettawut. I've seen a few in person and after that Suporn horror story from /cd/ and the hideous realself one (http://i.imgur.com/0kQ10av.jpg) from him , I figure the chances of getting a good or bad result are about even between the two.
some context for some of these photos would really go a long way
sometimes I think this might be the staw that breaks me.
to op or to not op, either option has drawbacks.
I don't even know where to begin with researching surgeons.
I've never felt more alone.
could be worse. to be honest, i don't think any surgeon can really guarantee 100% satisfactory results in all cases when it comes to cutting up penises to make neovaginas no matter how skilled they may be. i know it's appealing to think of SRS as a procedure that with enough money and research you can get a fantastic result, but it's still very real surgery with many variables, including the individual's body and biology. it isn't always going to be perfect; that doesn't mean the surgeon didn't do the procedure properly
It's when they cut a lot of the proper penis skin so most of the skin on the shaft is actually ball skin that got pulled up.
Pretty much. IT's done on really young children with no hair so scrote and penis skin are a bit less distinct so as the kid grows up they find out that that's just highriding scrote skin .
This, essentially. The raphe is also quite torn up and mangled, as is the urethra
It's also my completely speculative idea that this damaged my brain and was one contributing cause to my future gender issues
It's just tons of necrosis but doesn't look like it's anywhere particularly important.
anything is better than having a penis
too bad I will never be able to afford srs. I am trying to get my state insurance to cover bowers but i dunno if they will. So far I like bowers work, more function vs looks but labiaplasty is like $3,500 so its not so bad
>stop being all high and mighty
What are you on about? That was my first post in this thread what was so high and mighty about it? I hate my male genitals so much I have tried to melt it off with chemicals, injected my balls with alcohol, and even slammed my dong in a drawer the other day to the point my whole groin is bruised. I just want a vagina, I don't care how it looks I am sick of being a boy.
Brassard doesn't post pics himself (he also doesn't really advertise much unlike the Thais; I agree Chet, Suporn and Kunaporn are okay, but Suporn definitely has a weird way of measuring depth, and he definitely doesn't show his 50yo hons). You need to have an appointment for consult to get to see some and afaik they're all from during the 2 weeks he keeps patients in.
Most of the Suporn fangirls mistakenly assume all the Thais do the same thing; the Chonburi organ is a suporn-only "innovation" that I have no idea what he decided to start this shit for, while scrotal grafts deep down are a thing that a lot if not most surgeons worldwide do when you check their surgery documentation.
Suporn's meme status is like 5 years old. There was a time when he was a cut rate surgeon.
They cover 30-40% or so I've been told, but since Brassard is the person all of Canada goes to we go on the same waiting list. We also have to go to CAMH in Toronto or Calgary to receive a referral (unless something has changed in the last year)... there's no one in province who will do the referral.
>waiting even longer
I'm hoping the job I start soon has health insurance that covers the rest of SRS. >_<
I think Newfoundland also doesn't fund SRS.
I know CAMH's isn't Brassard's, but doesn't Brassard have his own waiting list? I meant we have to go on Brassard's waiting list with everyone else but we're paying out of pocket... it sucks.
Hey fags, I got the SRS with McGinn a couple months ago. I wouldn't have gone with anyone else if I had to do it again. Everything's cool, healing fine, orgasmic after <6 weeks, looks pretty normal, dilation and depth are good, and bottoms all fit like they should now.
I like to drop in to these threads in case anyone has specific questions. I feel like it's important since there's so much shit information and shitty results out there. It was always good for me to talk to people my age (non-hons, non-olds) who had a positive experience.
How nice was it when you pulled on panties and pants for the first time and didn't have to tuck or worry about the bulge, etc.?
Do you ever get dysphoria over your genitals anymore or does it really go away completely once it's healed?
Like the other poster said, it's an overgrowth of healing tissue but it actually stops the place it grows from healing properly/fully. It's red, sore, raised, bleeds easily and makes a disgusting yellow discharge which people will commonly mistake for being pus from an infection.
It can happen with all surgeries but it likes to happen in srs particularly because it's warm and moist (cis girls who get a hysterectomy are prone to getting it inside their vagina as well for the same reason) and will appear on a suture line.
It's treated most commonly with silver nitrate which literally burns it off, however it can take multiple treatments.
Insurance covered the hospital upfront and is supposed to be reimbursing me a bunch of the cost. I'm in Illinois, and I think the laws here are why I didn't have to do anything special to get it approved.
So nice. The first time was before the 1000 mile drive home. There was that "holy shit" moment when I realized all I had to do was pull on some pants, button, and zip.
I had trouble staying tucked due to a varicose vein, so I would always wear two pairs of underpants and bike shorts that were two sizes smaller than normal. This setup could show through on the legs of my jeans, and it pushed what little fat I have upwards to ruin the slight waist definition I had.
Dunno, I mean it's definitely exciting knowing I have what I consider the right parts now. But it's not like that's what I get off to, or like I look in a mirror to turn myself on. It's more like when I'm aroused, I like the idea of having the right parts while being with someone and having sex. So if that's in your definition of AGP, then yes.
In sex fantasy/ scenarios while you have a dick, I think you almost have to be "AGP". At least I never imagined myself as a girl with a dick in my sex thoughts, it was always as if I had the V. Not that you can't be trans if you don't want the surgery.
>after that Suporn horror story from /cd/
Is there a screencap or copypasta or something?
Just the pictures without context aren't as informative about such a fucking disgusting excuse for a cunt.
Thread's still up, not posting the rest of her replies since they go along with nsfw pictures.
Somewhat. If you want to go to someone like Suporn or Chett who only do scrotal-inlay type SRS they will likely not operate.
If you go to a decent western surgeon they probably won't mind. The best thing to do would be to email the various surgeons you like and ask them directly since it'll be different for each one.
I doubt that too but some surgeons will still say no if you've had an orchi so it's still best to ask them.
Nevermind, found it. That's truly horrific. It makes me think "wow i'm glad i stayed inland with the 'old outdate'" for mine but really that could happen to anyone. Though even with the necrosis clit the visual result 2.5 years post-op is just awful, it looks like that realself one but without the huge clit. It basically looks like a scrotum without the balls and penis.
She's a porn star. Look up something along the lines of "Mia Fever post op" on google and you'll find pictures. Also the pictures should probably be labeled; a folder filled with just disgusting images right after the surgery without actually explaining that that's not the intended result is pretty misleading.
Someone earlier in the thread said the one in the Brassard folder had complications during the months after the surgery. I think if you wanna show people a comparison of surgeons, you should stick to healed, final results even if they're harder to find. We all know it looks gross right after the surgery, what's important is if it's worth it. Showing gory unhealed pictures isn't very informative.
Also afaik unlike Danielle Fox, she didn't need work done on hers for cosmetics.
Oh, also the /cd/ horror story used to give me fucking nightmares. Thankfully for Brassard, the worst I keep hearing of is shit like the inner labias fusing and the hood requiring touch ups, which is easily fixed.
I know Chet had a few fistulas, have never heard anything negative about McGinn, etc.
I'm not doing that I'm just trying to collect all the images of surgery i can and separate them by surgeon if i can.
I might make a curated folder sometime.
I think that's a misrepresentation. She had to get hers done in two steps to get it to look that way because that's how brassard does it. Danielle Foxx get hers retouched up after which is essentially two steps too.
Either way you need to go to the doctor twice to get it to look good. The only difference is how much effort they put into making it look cis the first way through. Doesn't matter much in the end imo.
Given how labioscrotal fusion forms a scrotum in utero and Suporn using non-analagous tissue in such a way, it always makes me feel even weirder abt the look. Looking at the introitus or whatev the proper parlance, it likerally looks like how Johnny Cage would perform SRS, like your scrotum got punched up inside of you.
I know it's the stretchiest tissue and therefore in ideal circumstances produces the best results for depth or whatev; and there is no analagous tissue left for a vagina, only a vulva. It always makes me wonder why they don't focus more on better more anatomically normal looking and feeling results with some sort of developed vulvoplasty. When I google it all I find it is some procedure they do on dogs and doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for.
A vagina would be nice, but the disfigurement of having all the junk is kindof primary for me. Enough of us don't have sex, I really only enjoy sex through my clothes already. It would be just more of the same until whether laboratory cultured scivag ever happens for trans women.
I'll prob take whatever insurance gives me to be rid of this mess; but I wish there were less of the obsessive focus on "one stage" procedures (likely an artefact of how it has been controlled by how medical tourism tries to market itself most favourably for so long) and more realistic focus that most people would at least probably benefit from some form of second stage labiaplasty like how they used to do.
It would be nice, but I'm not obsessed with intromissive sex. I hate anal and while this would be an alternative, I'm 31, I already pity the men attracted to me. I prefer women anyway, but I'm unmotivated and don't like being open abt that since it's such a politicised orientation. I just want to be less disfigured; to not have any terrible visit to the emergency ward be even worse; to not be humiliated or endangered for passing through scanners with an aberrant crotch attempting to board a flight or cross a border.
I had Meltzer covered in full through kaiser, though I am from california and kaiser is about the most progressive insurance there is here.
I'm really happy with the results from stage one, but I am rather disappointed with some of the stage two labiaplasty. At first it looked great with labia minora etc, but then it healed and the definition of the labia was lost. The clitoral hood came out great though.
Yeah, how many people can Brassard do a day? In Ontario, it's hundreds on the waiting list and they want to expand the referrals so it isn't all through CAMH. Apparently the wait can be years. Apparently the place where you recover is weird, but I wasn't expecting it not to be. That's relatively minor if realistically we don't even have him or any other surgeons still available.
Realistically, they're going to have to start covering other surgeons, training them, full research into this branch of urogenital surgery and medicine before they re-elect conservatives who will just de-fund it anyway. That's provided the Liberals keep funding it. It's been made a fad of late, given pop culture's current fascination; but didn't the NDP, the nominal left, de-list SRS coverage in Manitoba?
>Yeah, how many people can Brassard do a day?
Maybe 3-4 considering they're two surgeons in tandem with a massive nursing staff.
SRS was listed in most provinces in the last 5 years, well before it became a public facing fad. Also afaik a lot of the delistings were due to CAMH being the only way, even though it's stupid.
Also CAMH's hundreds backlog would be a lot shorter if they didn't reject 80% of applications. I have 100% binary acquaintances in Toronto who got rejected for petty, nitpicky bullshit despite showing up with diagnoses from respected psychs.
The surgery only takes him and Belanger (They're two in the operating room) two hours. It takes longer if you add stuff like BA or whatever, but in general, they can do a few SRS surgeries a day. They're not just an SRS clinic though, they have other stuff to do. All in all, I've heard they do about 200 SRS operations per day.
I don't know if things have changed, but I live in Manitoba and got SRS through Brassard just two weeks shy of a year ago and it was completely covered, even the flight was covered. There were girls there from BC, Alberta, Ontario and Quebec and all of them were covered.
They do the surgery in groups, he could do even more if he wanted to but the thing is there's very limited space in the trans-only recovery house (they do all sorts of surgeries, but there's a special house just for trans patients). So the people who get surgery have to finish healing and be sent home before the new group can get the surgery and go into the house.
My group was six girls, he did three in one day and three the next day. There were also some trans men but they got top surgery and weren't in the house for as long.
lol BrASSard is an amateur Suporn wannabe. What an idiot. Dr. Suporn can do 6-7 GCS per day. It's because of the superior Chonburi Flap technique that he developed while white surgeons were still in the stone age. baka how desperate do you have to be to accept a "surgeon" like BrASSard, and besides, you get to experience the amazing Thai culture while you're over there, it's practically a vacation. lol some people never learn I guess.
They need to reassure themselves that they went to the best place and do it by trying to reinforce the notion that all other places suck. Kinda like parents who think their way of raising their child is the #1 only valid way to do it.
By vulvoplacty do you mean labiaplasty because that's the actual name of what they do to the outside part of your vagina. The vulva is included in Labiaplasty. I agree it would be nice if there was more focus on Labiaplasty instead of Vaginoplasty but it doesn't seem like that's where the demand is.
The eastern style of having on surgery is less about 'medical tourism' and more about reduction of harm since most doctors prefer to put patents under as few times as possible. Both chett and Suporn are more than happy and recommend sometimes to get a second labiaplasty without going under. Two steps after all is the only possible way to create a fourchette since otherwise you'd destory it through extreme dilating
I can't follow the conversation, but wanna add that McGinn does free revisions on her patients. Most she can do in the office without putting you under. She says about 10% go for the revision.
I don't believe id ever be "passable" and prefer not to walk around looking obviously manly. Id be happy with a little androgynous body, with a vagina. But the real life experience would be horrific.
A therapists definition of full time can vary greatly.
A lot of therapists deal 90% with old hons, so basically all you have to do it look remotely more passable than them and they'll basically give you a stamp of approval. I had a therapist who wanted to give me the recommendation and get straight to SRS when I was like 2 months on hormones, because I had looked so much better than the rest of the trans people she dealt with and thought I was fulltime trying to get SRS
That sounds pretty cool. Hush I have no problem being a "guy", I just know I wouldn't make a passable girl.and I'd lose my job and stuff pulling that card. I just don't st why I have to go through the reAL life experience, when I dont intend to live as a woman
>First visit at sexologist office
>"Last name", "id number", and other data...
>"So Caroline what I can help you with"
>Well I'm transgender and I want to transit....
>"Wait? What is your name again?"
>"In your ID are you male or female"?
>"So why are you giving me incorrect info I thought you were female"
>"Also don't tell anyone you are transgender in public any more it's retarded, people will associate you with those weirdos in drag that I have to deal with daily"
>"What you have, is gender dysphoria and since you look like a female already I guess there is no arguing here. Have you been talking anything?"
>Spiro 200mg, estrofem 4mg
>"Haha for real? Spiro? How long?"
>Then he gave me, prescription for 50 mg cypro, 6mg estrofem, some estro gel on my boobs.
>"See ya in a 3 months, bye."
Your shrink sounds like an idiot desu sempai
>estro gel but not prometrium
This is almost as bad as south american endos who give you a course of five different meds including ethinylestradiol-based BC for no apparent reason other than being hipsters.
I don't like this post, it's pretty disgusting TO BE HONEST simply because plenty of SRS don't turn out great, don't try to sweep it under the rug and say "oh that's the only bad one ITT". WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER SHITTY VAGINAS IN THE WORLD HUH?
SRS is a enormous huge life changing gamble, it might work out for you or it might not but don't make it seem like it's "lol okay she's the exception go get your vagina"
Plently of cis girls LOVE to post their vags on the internet but very little trans girls do. THINK ABOUT IT.
>Plently of cis girls LOVE to post their vags on the internet but very little trans girls do. THINK ABOUT IT.
Also until recently the average age for srs in the US was in the 50s. You don't want to see what it looks like on a woman in her 60s (which is closer to the truth given there were still under 30s getting it)
Are you stupid or just pretending?
Only a tiny, tiny percentage of girls are trans so obviously there are less trans vaginas found online. Also, surgeons don't "gamble" with patients. And where the fuck do you get the idea that "plenty" of girls "love" to post their vaginas online? Why do you type like a retard? So many questions.
It's more like, I'd rather take the chance of it going well with the risk of something like this over staying the same.
>I WANT EVERYONE TO A POTENTIALLY BUSTED VAGINA LIKE ME
Many transwomen try to encourage girls to transition because they want them to be miserable like themselves and let me tell you SRS IS THE NEXT STEP. MOST GIRLS WHO HAVE SHITTY VAGINAS WILL NOT TELL YOU ABOUT IT!
YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE. THINK ABOUT IT
This isn't some "k" thing, it's big deal. This anon doesn't give a shit about you BUT I DO.
Except all these horror pics were taken right out of surgery or during early healing.
I've nursed friends back to health and I saw the absurd amount of difference between week 2 and year 2.
I have an upcoming consultation with a new SRS team in NYC.
Marci Bowers is coming to teach some top tier plastic surgeon how to do SRS (not sure if he has ever done it though). It would be covered under insurance but I don't want to be a guinea pig. It's so close to obtainable but I don't want to be a statistic.
Also, my gf wants to eat me out after it's done, can she get me off with tongue only?
I think you should give the new guy at least 6 months to establish some results and learn about how good he is?
And your clitoris will be less sensitive than a cisclit, but you can still get off from oral with more pressure applied
I should clarify that from what I've seen, it shouldn't look like that after 2 months. There's a lot going wrong with that job, not that it can't heal up more or get revised.
weirdly the most sensitive spot for me so far is under the mons pubis rather than on the exposed clitoris. this should change as the nerves reconnect. but the gross thing is that there's a mucus-like discharge present during ~6 months of healing. It's like that dark kind of snot you hock up at the end of being sick. Between that and the pads, it's smelly down there. For a while, I wouldn't imagine putting her nose or tongue anywhere near there would be a good idea. Could she get you off after it's all healed? maybe. 50% or more is mental, so if you're in the right mood, right mindset, it would be more likely.
I'd leave being a guinea pig to the older transitioners who've lived a full sex life and probably had E.D. before transition anyway. The older people get, the less they want and expect sex, so if anything goes wrong, they're not missing out on too much. Since you're on a chan board, you probably have a lot of life ahead of you.
>weirdly the most sensitive spot for me so far is under the mons pubis rather than on the exposed clitoris. this should change as the nerves reconnect.
The mons being sensitive and pelvic muscles working were the two most amazing realizations I had. Up to that point I was worried the terfs were right with the "dead fuckhole" bullshit.
That hopefully someday I can become a little more stretchy, labia majoras more defined (I'm skinny), a bit more pink inside, and maybe some scar work - this is all nitpicking, though.
Mine's orgasmic, clitoral and prostatic. Looks neat. Any scarring is hidden by hair. In my work I occasionally encounter folks' genitals, and it's always a silent victory as mine's a pretty typical looking innie... that thankfully doesn't bleed.
>Which surgeon are you going to?
I went to McGinn.
>What do you think of the pictures?
They never say much. It's always a case-by-case kind of thing.
>Who has the worst and who has the best SRS vag?
there are more disgusting and fucked up people out there than the trans.
the reason why they have this kind of support is because over time enough of them have obviously made enough of an impact on enough people.
they have as much right to cut up their own bodies as you have the right to shitpost in obscure message boards.
not that im trans, (str8 cis male here, obviously)
>Especially surgery that heavy
Seriously, it's a ridiculously invasive procedure that causes a ton of nerve damage while creating a completely new structure for the body to deal with. All of those things contribute heavily to the length of the healing process.
It's a weird mix of hopefulness, the realization that my dick is gonna atrophy to nothing soon, the fact that it's the last source of dysphoria in my life, and the fact that i currently have the ability to get it.
My reasoning is it's better to have an ugly vagina i can use than a cute penis i can't. 5 years of hormones has shrunk the sucker enough already.
Stemcell vags aren't some kind of panacea, they mostly fix a problem that cis women with agenesis have, namely that the pelvic muscles don't develop properly unlike for a trans woman.
No guarantee they'll be good or even practical in your lifetime. Ask yourself: what can an advance like that do for you if you have a dick that it couldn't do if you already had an srs vagina?
Recovery would be easier if you already had the srs cavity in your body and trained the muscles to not close up. They could potentially just swap out the dickvag for the stemcellvag.
But you don't know anything because these magical sciginas don't exist yet. You may as well be asking santa to make you a rl grl. Why not get the best thing you can currently with hopes that there will be even better things available later? Then at least you have a vagina instead of being 80 crying yourself to sleep that nothing good enough magically came into existence for you.
I want it and i will do it.. but i think i really have to be in a coma...
Those pics freak me out sooo bad but doesn't change my opinion on wanting it.. I really do want it but please 4 months coma or something would be nice ye?
I have a question for other post-ops. In my vagina care notes it says I should be douching every day for the rest of my life after sex and stuff too.
However I know some girls stop douching all together after a time. I'm dilating just once every two days now and I tend to not douche on the off day. And I don't really see how it's nessicary now that it's healed and not sloughy. And because I want to get stable vaginal flora douching doesn't seem like the best thing.
What do you think, should it be an every day thing and what does your surgeon say to do?
That seems excessively douchy. When I shower I just soap up a finger and swirl around in there, then go back with a clean finger to get any soap out. I'll stop with the soap when it stops with the healing mucus. My surgeon doesn't even mention douching. My vaginal fauna seems fine.
Laying down on an inco pad is how I do it. Just a normal vaginal douche.
Well I'm well beyond healed now, but it makes sense at the start when there's all the slough and stuff. And even to get out lube from dilating but it seems pointless to me when I haven't dilated. But I don't really wanna douche after sex every time.
>My vaginal fauna seems fine.
Douching disrupts the flora since vagina flora needs a different pH from what water is which is why I don't want to do it. Douching in cis girls is bad because of this and can lead to BV.
Though my notes say that the vagina is not self cleansing and thus if you don't douche it'll get all nasty from the build up stuff.
You don't have to keep laying in it, once you do it just get up and fold up the inco pad.
Discharge can be a variety of things, if you're early in recover it's most likely to be slough which is like white-pale yellow and has a weird smell but not rancid. If you're like 3~ months in and still have discharge it's probably more likely to be from granulation tissue discussed here: >>5472824 I'm still dealing with this a bit and it has never smelled at all but my surgeons notes say it can smell bad.
Then there's pus, if your discharge is yellow-green and smells rancid it's most likely pus which is from an infection and you'll need to get it treated.
The best thing to do is to get a swab done if you're unsure. The discharge from my granulation when it was untreated was bright yellow (though no smell) so I got a swab done and that came back clear so it was obviously discharge rather than pus. (That said I did have two swabs come back positive and have to go on abx but nothing major ever came of them and I didn't really have any different symptoms)
uh, they pretty much tell you to tone down on douching after a few weeks, it's just that early on you have way more crap inside than it can handle, with all the bleeding, sutures, etc.
lol typical western faux surgeon. only a terrible western surgeon would ever tell you to always douche. why do you think you have to keep douching? because it smells because you douche too much. my surgeon (suporn t-girl, btw) tells all his girls to just change their tamp daily and the body is natural enough to sort all it's problems out. the natural smell helps you from getting clocked in public, imo. whose going to sense the pheromones (the same pheromones made during your moon cycle) and think you'r a t-girl? you only douche to exercise your chonburi muscle.
StonedLily is shitposting, I don't give a fuck if it's ironic.
Has anyone had surgery with Dr Andrew Ives in Melbourne. He's the only surgeon my insurance will help cover. I haven't been able to find any photos of the results or any testimonials (besides this retarded non-binary chick who couldn't be fucked dilating.)
Sex health doctor I went to said all the Australian surgeons he knows of are butchers, so I wouldn't trust him...
He recommended some Thai surgeon, not Suporn or Chett though. One that does it in 2 stages I believe over them.
Most other surgeons have you drop to once a day for 20 minutes after six months.
I never had to do it for 2 hours ever, at the start I was dilating for an hour a day (3 times a day, 20 minutes each) by 12 weeks it was 40 minutes a day (2 times a day, 20 minutes each). This isn't including the prep time and douching afterwards though.
How can any of you honestly say you arent fucking mental patients for wanting to slice up your penis for a fake vagina that is so obviously a gaping wound that you have to dilate it for months and months because your body is trying to repair itself?
Im being 100% sincere here. I might be trans, but i will never get behind the idea genital mutilation as treatment for a mental disorder.
i think its pretty gr8 m8 i r8 it 8/8 because i can still mastrb8 ;)
for real, id rather have been born with a vagina, but i wasnt. We cannot change our sexual organs. You will never ever have a real vagina, ever. Get over it.
thats absolutely vile, you like playing with your dick, gtfo you AGP transbian monster. please hang yourself while you're at it. the world would be better off without another straight male crossdresser like you.
thread, calm down.
tho indeed if someone wants to keep their parts, idk why they are here. i mean for some it is still a question, and it's not like we may or may not be soon living in a world where not having had it done could be really disadvantageous to our rights.
do we have more pictures of people head on standing with feet in different positions? have we narrowed down what is likely to cause very a strange outwardly visibly abnormal caved-in mons pubis area? or is it a liability in any method depending on one's healing?
that in and of itself doesn't address why we are taking such risks in any way. you present no argument with which to engage. most of us know we are accepting something less than ideal--a mutilation, if that's what you want to call it--and most of us know that there are results that are just really bad.
maybe for a lot of us, living with what we already have is worse.
>visibly abnormal caved-in mons pubis area
Can you link to a picture like this. My mons pubis looks just like any cis girls if I compare it so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
>hates the feeling of pleasure
check yourself into a mental institute
oh and you arent fooling anyone with your TRUTRANS WE SLICE UP OUR DICKS AND HAVE MEN POUND OUR GAPING FLESH WOUNDS WE ARE REAL WOMENZ . CIS GIRLS CAN BE LEBIANS BUT NOT TRANS GIRLS THEY ALL HAVE TO LIKE MEN OR THEY ARE AGP CUZ I SAID SO.
IF YOU ARENT AS MENTALLY DISTURBED AS I AM AND WANT TO SELF MUTILATE U ARENT TRUTRANS.
>hates the feeling of pleasure
>thinks you can't feel pleasure post-op
>thinks you will even feel 1/4 of the pleasure of your penis or a real vagina.
GUYZ THE DOCTORS WHO GET PAID REDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO DO THESE SURGERIES SAID THAT ITS A REAL VAGINA I TOTALLY BELIEVE THEM.
i cant imagine how disturbed and deluded a person must be to want to slice up one of their organs for a gaping flesh wound that doesnt even work properly. Sometimes you even get feces in the fucking wound if it ruptures.
I'm post-op, hon. I don't just "think" I know. And let me tell you penetrative sex is so much better, the vaginal canal is closer to the prostate so is stimulated more easily and doesn't come with the pain of anal.
Not the same anon but when I first started hormones I really wanted SRS but as the years pasted my genital dysphoria lessened to the point where I no longer want/need SRS and I'm pretty ok with my dick now.
we know you are a post op hon
>penetrative sex is so much better,
your fantasies are not evidence
being trans has no effect on the fact that the penis has thousands of pleasurable nerve endings on it.
I didnt used to like it very much but after seeing about 4 different psychologists i realized that i , like most people who hate their penis and probably everyone who gets srs, was placing a lot of unwarranted hate on my penis and using it as a scapegoat for my dysphoria, since it was literally a symbol of masculinity. Iv learned to not judge or hate my penis and it really doesnt get in the way of me passing,which is the 2nd most important part of being trans.
Self mutilation will always be disgusting and the fact that the only people who do "studies" on post op srs are ALL paid surgeons getting fucking rich off desperate trannies who fall for this shit is beyond pathetic
>YEAH HON ITS TOTALLY GONNA BE A REAL VAGINA JUST PAY ME ALL THIS MONEY
>SEE GUYS I MADE THIS STUDY AFTER BEING PAID A SHIT TON OF MONEY ITS TOTALLY GOING TO HAVE THE SAME CULTURE AS A CIS VAGINA CUZ I SAID SO
post op trans people are the most pathetic self loathing and guillable people on the planet. End of discussion. You should be absolutely embarassed with yourself for letting some rich fuck scam you into slicing up your penis for a fake vagina.
You do not have a vaginal canal. You will never have a vaginal canal. You have a wound that was formed from your penis and made to simulate and emulate a vagina. Its an imitation, thats it.
Get it through your head hon.
>being trans has no effect on the fact that the penis has thousands of pleasurable nerve endings on it.
HRT has an effect on that though
>You have a wound that was formed from your penis and made to simulate and emulate a vagina. Its an imitation, thats it.
How delusional do you think people are? Nobody's claiming they will have a cis vagina. I just want to be able to be fucked by a guy's penis in the front and have him have the sensation of fucking a girl in the pussy. I don't care whether it's authentic.
Shaving doesn't make me naturally hairless either. Putting on glasses doesn't give me naturally good eyesight. Fuck off with your naturalistic fallacy.
>HRT has an effect on that though
false. Hrt does not make your nerve endings go away. The only thing that does that is srs.
>front and have him have the sensation of fucking a girl in the pussy.
fetishist. you sliced up your penis for a fetish lol.
Also you realize men will never ever ever view you as a cis woman and everyone can tell thats not a real vagina right?
keepin it bumped for life priorities. glad to hear there's more of a point now in getting on the wait list in ontario. when i started hrt, the conservatives had already ravaged my public school education, there really wasn't any drawback to not dropping out for hrt--but they de-listed srs for the longest time as well.
i never trusted smitherman to re-list srs right, i just assumed he was schmoozing and wine-and-canape'ing with camh/u-of-t namey names, after all they did defund hrt for poor people at the same time they re-listed srs.
and yes, friends of mine have been denied for trivial things, including depression--which while not trivial is a reason to maybe, yknow, emphasise one's need for srs. sigh, but anyway now ppl i kno are getting pre-srs orchidectomies covered and i'm getting excited. that they can do that many ppl in montreal a day gives me a bit of of hope. the results aren't perfect, but my mess below will be gone, and unsightliness can be revised--as long as they don't fuck up the mons area, that's still getting to me. i have no idea who or how they do that
really yo, they exist. despite being gay, i just don't care as much about vaginas as--idk are you a cishet dude looking for women you think might be easy to sleep with or something, but want material on us first; or a legit trans woman wanting access to hope (understandable)?
>Can you link to a picture like this. My mons pubis looks just like any cis girls if I compare it so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
i feel bad about linking it. it was in the old thread in the long collected imgur sample given.
>In the early stages it's more that there's still a swollen bulge in the middle rather than any lack of material. So when legs are spread, especially sitting down, the sides look caved-in.
no no, it's more the centre looking caved in. they like had a dimple caving into them and the sides buldged--idk how to describe. again it makes me feel bad and like maybe i'll link it after i look for it, but i feel like they may be young enough to be a poster here and i don't like adding to ppl's feelings of dysphoria and feeling misshapen on a personal level with other trans women. my scepticisms are of srs as it is now as an industry and the cult like support of surgeons and the surgeons who pursue legal action if they get bad reviews (brassard did this to a friend, and it was just over care while being in the hospital, creepiness n stuff), which curiously hasn't advanced much in well over a decade.
>7 months post-op
>over the moon happy with my vagina
>though still have some worries about how it looks
>have very small labia minora
> worry it doesn't look at least somewhat normal
>come across an "innie" subreddit
>all the closed ones look just like mine
>still certain that spread mine will look obviously trans
>find one spread
>holy shit mine looks just like that
like unhappy or happy with the spread look? if unhappy it seems like srs, there is good revision work, and crumby revision work--but also tattooing to help alter definition and give a pinker appearance. (the mcginn photo shows an unhealthy red by her tattoo artist, but imagine that can be avoided--maybe it was deemed necessary in that patient to help define vs anatomical irregularity.
>over the moon happy with my vagina
hope you stay happy...
>all the closed ones look just like mine
...this looking normal i think is p much #1 in priority, so if stuff isn't ideal, you still have somewhere to work from.
also even then, ppl feeling you up really aren't going to be able to tell if you are moist/lubricated/whatev. it's the stretchy and the inside that feels diff, and the position of the introitus, and even then, it just means you are a bit different. srs surgeons who are trans themselves i've found are more candid about this, and they still got srs themselves
aside from fingers and getting people off, does anyone have much experience going down on post-srs trans women. i've kind of dreaded this topic, since the tissue is so different, and if the tissue of the urethra isn't used, even the glands analagous to bartholin's glands are gone. i do notice trans women smell different than men and more like women in their crotches even pre-srs... but i've only gone down on pre-srs ppl; and tbhon i benzo the shit out of my autistic self to have sex with people so my memory is garbage
I wasnt sure if my spread vulva looked normal as I'd only seen big beefy vulva before. After seeing cis girls with ones like mine "innie" I'm very happy with it and I loved it before anyway, just had some aesthetic doubts.
That's only if you screw it up. Basically the person doing it accidentally cuts too low and removes to much of the normal skin so to compensate they use the closest skin which is ball skin.
As I understand it it's mainly a problem with 'traditional' circumcisions preformed by poorly trained rabbis.
yeah idk, the images are not high-res enough to confirm the downward flap scars. it doesn't seem to matter since also reminds that shaven typical cis vaginas are not v pretty from that angle either. other photos in thread seem to emphasise potentially helpful compensating for ehh beefy look by erectile tissue at sides in labia majora suggested in clitoral diagrams, seemingly analogous to columns of the corpus cavernosum penis (makes sense given how arousal changes appearance in cisvag). i guess we get away not having analogous erectile tissue used by not having much labial definition usually but sometimes that means having like no labia at all near near the introitus where it may really help.
again wish we had really developed vulva/labiaplasty, and vaginoplasty weren't always so priority #1 in operations when it also has its own failure rate, and theoretically would have seemed the hardest feat developing srs since there's no analogous tissue. (tho i guess it's tempting since they don't expect anyone to look up there and see the odd pale or pigmented/non-pink,non-mucosal skin with a speculum)
that would exclude methods like suporn tho from being very analogous at all apart from the clitoris tho since he uses the entire stretchy scrotum for the vagina, and the scrotum is formed by in utero labioscrotal fusion and is obvi the analogous tissue for labia.
i get that being fully analogous would be impossible right now and would require a lot of complex work that may be multi-stage, and not even be as nerve sparing as i envision. since things like the hood/prepuce would literally need to be cut off and reattached it seems (the the prepuces tendency to gather glans smegma, penile or clitoral, is a lil gross and i could do without)
idk i guess i accept that fully analogous tissue would be a patchwork that may not be so sightly as envisioned and may even need resection that wouldn't exclude possibility of phantom pain either (someone i know in toronto gets this, so presumably brassard) but that the erectile tissue is thrown away is kindof shocking especially when in so many of us it's very shrunken anyway and columns maybe easily redirected to behind the labia majora. in people where it isn't shrunken yet cos of protracted hrt, maybe they can use very careful botox to block all tumescence for whatev length of time, if possible. it seems maybe possible to do this without causing incontinence since oddly they use botox selectively for erectile dysfunction as well somehow, which i don't get, but anyway...
but yeah u r worst moronanon ever. go see a ho, if u rnt creepy or violent and they are willing to take ur money
you sound like a complete retard. did you transition because you thought being a girl would be easier? guess what, life's hard to idiots no matter what.
neovag tastes and smells like shit. those photos look like someone built them out of playdough
shut up. i transitioned 15 years ago. did/do i think it would make life easier? oh for christ.
i sound like an idiot, you are an idiot. it doesn't mean you need to be here. why are you here? you just expressed that this is not an area of interest for you. why not leave, kill yourself, drown in a flood, or however the parlance goes around in here?
it's funny cos he referring to collage picture lalalily shared of a whole bunch of cisvags and only one scivag.
idk why he or they or whatever is here. sounds like a guy or washed up hon assessing their poor options for getting laid
I-Is the purpose of this thread to scare me out of SRS?
I'd go through those to find good stuff, put pretty much all of it just scares me.
Can someone show me a proper SRS job that has healed and actually looks ok?
Well excuse me, princess. I was just wondering if there were any success stories.
I guess if my only options are being unhappy with my natural genitals and being unhappy with my Chinese knockoff genitals I'll just have to wait until there's a better alternative.
Most of those pictures are terrible representations of SRS. They're not healed and some are even badly healing because of bad aftercare. The galleries should be remade entirely, to be honest.
I guess I'll just start contacting some surgeons to get an idea.
Was just hoping my good friends at the 4chan would be able to help me out, since you're all usually quite helpful. Thanks, anon.
>I guess I'll just start contacting some surgeons to get an idea.
desu that's part of the issue, a lot of neovag pictures come from surgeons and surgeons typically don't get pictures of the healed result because after since a patient has no reason to send them pictures when they've healed up.
It's the same with girls who post there's online, when you first get the chop you're like "shit, is this normal, is that normal?" and you post your bloody, bruised and swollen vagina on the internet but once it's healed you don't really feel the need to show it to anyone and it becomes a more private part of your life again.
Get them to do it at a reduced rate.
>but the gross thing is that there's a mucus-like discharge present during ~6 months of healing. It's like that dark kind of snot you hock up at the end of being sick.
Sounds like a bacterial infection. Talk to your doc to get it cleaned out and on antibiotics.
If you're 6 months post-op it certainly isn't just healing stuff. If they said it's not infection then the only other reason to be getting discharge at your stage is granulation which needs to be treated.
How much shrinkage would an orchie have at 1 year hrt and then 2 years post orchie? I may want a vaginoplasty but I can't financially afford it or potential subsequent care for the next two years.
>inb4 you never posted one.
I had a look at them and none have any normal tells. Which is weird because at the very least I should be able to see scars unless it's one of the pics that is literally hiding the whole vagina.
They definitely have to happen. That's how healing works. And yes scars are permanent they just fade. At the very least you should be able to notice the different 'grain' of the skin coming together unless it's a fuzzy picture. It's nothing bad just part of any major skin related surgery that you can use to spot srs vags.
I got srs at 23 my scars are very faint now at 7 months post-op. I used kelo-cote on the scars for like 5 months and think that helped.
Most people even young aren't going to have faded scars by two months but that doesn't mean they won't eventually. Lily is just a weird exception and advanced healing.
>How old were you when you got SRS?
>I'm going later this year (5 months) and I turned 21 last week
>what's the best way to prep/mke.
idk what surgeon you go to but i was told to bring loose clothes like skirts and stuff didn't end up using them tho and stuck to my jeans and stuff, have lube stocked up at home for dilation, diaper changing pads to lay on while dilating and that's about it really, maybe a sitting cushion but i never used the one they gave me
oh and having pads is always good, in the beginning you have some discharge so it's nice to have pads with you
for me yes, started having sex after 2 months, masturbation a bit earlier, no problems urinating or something
only thing, running and lifting wasn't rly doable for the first 4ish months
but that's about it
ofc everything can vary depending on person and surgeon
one last thing
using a beerbottle out of glass as coolpad after surgery worked better than one of those blue cold packs cause the form is a bit better from my experience
>ost people even young aren't going to have faded scars by two months but that doesn't mean they won't eventually. Lily is just a weird exception and advanced healing.
pretty much this
>thanks!! and I'm going to Suporn.
ahh good luck was pretty nice there
>Did you run/lift much leading up to SRS?
>Do you think it helped your recovery?
idk could help but i honestly don't know, also in the hospital try to eat as little as possible A) the food isn't good B) the package prevents you from taking a shit so it'll be easier after the week of it in to take a shit again
>try to eat as little as possible A) the food isn't good B) the package prevents you from taking a shit so it'll be easier after the week of it in to take a shit again
hahahahhaa, alright, thanks for the tips :D. gl hf in life.
Has anyone experienced a loss of creativity post srs
on scars tho, yeah, i've always scarred easily and have hypertrophic scars and stay red longer than other people, then are left hyperpigmented or with hypertrophy. most of my scars are from childhood and teens, at 31, yikes idk... but i again, think more of us have to accept we might not all be "done" after one-stage srs--just at least, the original mess will be gone
>try to eat as little as possible A) the food isn't good
someone i know who went showed me pictures of herself eating fried scorpions there. not the hospital food obvi, but ack. no no no. idk what i would eat as a vegan, fish sauce being such a staple. mangosteen and more mangosteen?
You realize they're all virgins, right? And you're still surprised?
>my scars went away
Why you always lyin'?
>sex after 2 months
>in the hospital try to eat as little as possible
Your body doesn't need nutrients to heal. Not at all.
Post SRS, aka post castration, can lead to mental lethargy if your HRT is unfollowed, sure.
I don't know about thai surgeons, but most in the US say sex is fine after 2 months. we still dilate, and that's with a hard plastic dildo. a penis is a little flexible and made of soft flesh. sex after 2 months might smell bad or not feel much pleasure but isn't hard to believe it happened.
Most of my scars have gone away over the years. you'd never know it, but my face was totally reconstructed, yet I only have one scar left under the hair line. I had a couple nasty gashes, and then there were a number of surgery scars to put all the bone fragments back in place.