>>28910802 >>28911833 Man, that fucking song gives me chills every time. I had actually just finished a a day long bingefest of Threads and The Day After, and When the wind blows and etc. spoopy movies the first time i heard it.
That guy David Kilcullen has talked about mega cities. Like what the hell do you do if the enemy takes over a place like Karachi or Lagos? They have a population almost equal to all of Iraq just on their own.
Honestly I think it'd be like Sadr City in 08 or Ramadi in 07, divide the place up into areas for different units and do it that way (if you can). It'd be slow though. Hopefully we don't find out because the military is basically not big enough to handle shit like this anymore.
>>28909996 >implying Military Generals give two flying shits about opposing skyscrapers Fuck, I would try to level the outside three to five blocks, just to fuck anyone trying to resupply by land. Then AA surrounding. Shit son. A megacity would starve in two weeks.
i don't believe a siege will be a two week starve them out affair. Many people will die but even 200000 people left out of four million in the close confines of a city will be hell. Advances in LED hydroponics mean in the not to distant future cities are going to have a serious local food production capability. There's a factory in japan that grows ten thousand heads of lettuce a day that can be powered by a single diesel generator and is hugely water efficient. Transporting food into cities is incredibly expensive and there is going to be huge economic incentive for these types of cities to develop this sort of infrastructure as the technology matures.
The only thing missing is the credible reason to attempt to take the city. Can anyone think of any hypothetical scenarios? My best guess is guerillas from the city hampering the war effort in the countryside.
>>28917826 Also I forgot to add, look how many people are surviving in Syria on glue. How large of a force are you going to have to deploy to ensure a complete barricade of the city, remembering you've got the rest of the war to fight. If your barricade has any crack supplies will get through.
I personally think that a battle in a mega citiy is the perfect example that we still need carpet bombin
>Encircle the city >Cut off supplies >B52s and B1s all day every day carpet bombing the city from east to west, north to south >After three months or so you move in and start invading that pile of rubble
You need look no further than the blitz to know it won't be that easy. Don't get me wrong the US military can probably do it and win, but it will cost a lot of blood. Even if the entire city is rubble, that's still an assload of cover and now all your vehicles will be slow and cumbersome. (Probs still an improvement over Grozny tier firing lines). Thrown tracks for days.
It's doable but it would be a fiendish hellscape and would take years to clear.
I really don't know why China doesn't open up those ghost cities for tourism....
>urban exploration. >cqb paintball and airsoft. >rent surplus chinese domestic weapons and/or chinese ar-15 clones and practice room clearing and other urban combat scenarios. >. >.. >... >the next nuggetfest?
so on the one hand the siege strategy seems the obvious option, but that didn't really work out for the Germans in Leningrad, so then assaulting directly would seem the best option, but that didn't really work out for the Germans in Stalingrad.
to be honest i think alleppo and berlin are the best examples of serious urba warfare in large cities. when the forces are even it becomes basically trench warfare which lasts years if neither side can make sperate advances outside the city. on the other hand the soviets seem to have done it right in berlin by simply flooding the enemy with manpower and vehicles as well as making liberal use of assault guns and artillery in an environment with a lot of civilians. i probably helped that the wermacht was mostly 16 year olds and ww1 vets at that point
>>28917911 What about if they have internal food production like the Japanese lettuce factory? Shenzhen is a mega city. It's also an industrial centre, making it an important target by your metric. Do you think that if Shenzhen could provide food for ten million of its fourty million inhabitants, it would be unable to present a continued military value?
>>28917956 With our current long ranged accurate weaponry were not stopping people from living and fighting in Aleppo or Raqqa. What's to say such an important national asset as Shenzhen is not already protected by an air defence network? If they had time to prepare they could fortify, move production underground. With fourty million people and all the Chinese experience in rapid construction this is very feasible.
You don't need that you need distance and range. And Modern MLRS and Heavy Arty have the range.
German underground factories actually suffered a lot, and Germans did begin "shed" production of a lot of things. But you have to remember bomb accuracy was way off back then and more importantly the allies bombed the wrong things all the time.
>>28918052 Your points here are valid and accurate. However I still stand by my earlier conclusion, the US military is capable of effectively subduing a megacity, however it would not be easy and many people would die on both sides.
>>28914954 >a TV station that's still broadcasting, a command center, just bomb the fucker. >>28917915 those cities are where they will evacuate their populace to when the set off the tsunami/megaquake bombs they planted along the US west coast... brb: fapping
>>28917826 >i don't believe a siege will be a two week starve them out affair This, in WW2 The Germans and the Finns encircled Leningrad, the citty held out for *two* years without relief, they ate through their stores, they ate the pets and then the dead and then the living and they died by the thousands, but the city held.
>>28910071 for the taller buildings, >send in troops to secure the first three to four levels. >locate the air condensers in the basement. >proceed to shut off or completely decommission said condensers. >wait for the higher levels to run out of air.
you may have to secure a few more levels past that, but not enough to be considered a major headache.
Yeah cause the soviets managed to open up a supply route so the city wasn't cut off.
If you actually cut off every way in that shit will collapse in the span of a few months. Leningrad itself was in incredibly dire straits within a relatively short amount of time before the road of life opened up
>>28918179 The city didn't really "hold", it couldve been stormed but there was no interest from the germans in doing so. If the city had been taken, the germans would have to feed the citizens, and the german plans were to level it anyway.
Note about the finns, they really didnt participate in the siege. They stopped where their borders stopped before the war.
I'm not even talking about clean water and medicine, I'm saying just food. How much food is even stored in cities? How much of that is perishable? I very much doubt that there's enough canned and dried crap in a city to feed from half a million to several million inhabitants for more than a couple of months if all incoming traffic stopped unless rationing was cut to the point where there would be significant health detriments.
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