Houthis keep on destroying Saudi Abrams tanks. If they continue like this, Saudis will need to order another 100 ASAP.
How fucking embarrassing is it to buy BILLIONS AND BILLIONS worth of most-advanced equipment from US, UK, France and then be BTFO by a bunch of barefooted, khat-eating, sand people.
The Saudi army is a fucking joke. There doesn't even appear to be anything wrong with the tank in OP's video, they simply abandoned it.
Saudi Abrams are old 90's vintage M1A2's with the export armor package (what Egypt, Iraq, and Kuwait also got).
They have been updating them recently with electronics from the SEP, which are designated M1A2S.
Isn't the saudi army typical for what rich nations without a fucking clue tend to do?
Waste billions on hi-tech military gadgets while the training system is still stuck in the medieval caste system resulting in a bunch of barely-literate offspring of cousin-fuckers can't make any of it work.
Literally any fucking arab oil state.
I'm not American.
And I asked that because any self-respecting nation won't export their A-grade material, because it'll just find its way to the Chinese sooner or later, then it gets reverse-engineered and sold to your enemies. The Soviets never did and I don't think anyone with any sense does.
They aren't doing that badly.
All pro Houthi posters fail to mention the five thousand casualties they've taken from all these advanced western weapons along with 80% of their territory to the Saudis and Al Qaeda.
Which is still not bad given that they've managed to kill more then a thousand coalition troops.
see >>28907849 my desperate, dumb vatnik friend
Anti Tank guided missileman here.
We were briefed that the exported models were indeed monkey models. Of course they wouldnt exactly tell us they werent, but thats the official line we were given.
Also, you need to keep in mind that there are several types of kills that can be made on a tank.
I mean im sure we are all familiar with catastrophic kill (oblitorated, cannot be rebuilt or repaired)
Mobility kill (cannot move)
Firepower kill (cannot shoot)
But crews can also get spooked and just bail out of an otherwise servicable vehicle.
And enemy tech HAS existed for years that can penetrate our MBT's, but just because a rocket, IED, or Missile kills a crew member, breaks a component, or just scares the sand monkey crew bad enough to abandon a salvagable vehicle doesnt mean it was a catastrophic kill.
From what our intel guys said the hajis like capturing tanks, blowing them up once they cant maintain or use them, then taking pics and videos of them dancing around a burning hulk and claiming they blew it up in combat.
No, all of my deployments were in afghanistan.
We put a TOW bunker buster through a compound wall and we used an old TOW Alpha to blow open a gate to initiate a raid though.
I blew up a T-72 hulk that had a full combat loadout inside on a testing range outside of Las vegas as part of testing for the newer improved long range JAV, and have fired a couple TOW Bravos off at M60's on ranges, and blew up an old LAV with a JAV on a range last year.
I VC a truck now, but not even that much anymore since I EAS soon.
I dont think anyone would accept export M1 abrams if they were just plain old RHA.
But if they did cut them up then we would see some interesting shit. It would be seeing a cut up T-72B all over again.
Can anyone tell me what "monkey models" are?
Do they have less armor?
Are they made with less quality?
Are they simply Abrams that aren't updated or modernized... say ten-twenty years behind current tech?
Monkey Models are downgraded export model tanks sold to other nations while the good stuff is kept at home.
The downgrade is usually just the armor package to avoid capture which can prove disastrous.
The latest and greatest ammunition is another thing that typically isn't sold for the same reason as the armor.
Electrical systems, FCS and shit like that usually aren't downgraded as them being captured doesn't really matter.
That being said export models usually won't have the latest electronic updates because they won't be receiving regular upgrades like our tanks.
For comparison, the 'monkey model' T-72s used by Saddam were;
T-72M1 (T-72A without NBC gear)
T-72M (downgraded FCS and hull armor)
All were outdated compared to the then Soviet standard T-72B, but were for intents and purposes comparable to second line Soviet units.
MMMMMM. eehh MMM MOOONKEY
Saudi ones are the latest M1A2 SEP standard minus DU. By your logic the marine corps and the vast majority of the army are using monkey models since most Abrams are the M1A1 variant.
> tanks explode after they're abandoned, captured, opened and filled will bombs, which are then detonated
Oh gee golly gosh gee wilikers thanks OP is your next video going to show how American boats sink when they're completely filled with water?
india and israel won't be buying it,
SK maybe might, but probably won't once they discover its inability to land in high altitude terrain.
Japan was essentially bribed/paid into buying them
I don't know why the airforce bought them, or why the Navy is buying them, but probably the marines somehow forced it.
The army is building its own next gen helicopter, so it won't get any V-22's.
>buttmad future mexican
here's something for you to cry over
The USAF likes the V-22 since it's ideal for SAR, CSAR, and special forces missions.
The Navy is getting the V-22 as a C-2 replacement and to serve as an aerial tanker.
Israel let the proposal expire due to elections, and are waiting for the new cabinet to vote on it.
SK and India are still showing interest, and haven't said anything one way or another.
>its inability to land in high altitude terrain.
Except that's a flat out lie, considering that a V-22 extracted a special forces team from a 15,000 foot mountain that conventional helos couldn't reach.
Wait, are yoou delusional niggers actually now claiming that the export models use homogeneous steel armor?
I should remind you niggers that such basic primary armor has not been used in a tank since the 1950s.
You made an assertion that the export armor package was just the 'standard' armor package without the DU.
Now that you were called out on being full of shit you are trying to strawman.
>Not wanting their M1A2 tanks to become obsolete, the Saudi government contracted with GDLS in 2006 to rebuild and upgrade their M1A2 tank fleet to the US Army M1A2 SEP standard, with some modifications to suit the needs of the Royal Saudi Army. These upgraded Saudi M1A2 tanks are referred to by GDLS as the M1A2S.
Why do Americunts lose so much blood out of the anus because their 30-year old tanks are not invincible?
Why the bruised ego? Unless your dad personally designed the Abrams tank, why would you let your ego get involved in this?
Fucking savage niggers.
I must have missed where you proved conclusively that there is any difference in the base armor between standard and Saudi tanks outside of DU screens...
Oh wait. You're full of shit. Like the rest of the stunted chest thumpers.
The v-22 can fly in plane mode up to 25,000 feet
But it cannot hover that high, so it cannot land/take off from that height.
Special forces missions might be one thing it works ok for, launching from a long runway, flying high for maximum speed & range, etc
CSAR... no, its not armored, small arms fire will kill passengers & shoot down the airplane.
Why do Vatniks lose so much blood out of the anus when someone pokes holes in their attempts to shitpost?
>CSAR... no, its not armored, small arms fire will kill passengers & shoot down the airplane.
Except it's already done it. A V-22 extracted a downed USAF pilot in Libya in 2011, covering a 266 mile round trip in 90 minutes. Plus the USAF has already developed armor inserts to protect against ground fire.
Very cute. Enjoy being hated for this very reason.
Try harder vatnik
The SOP for a magazine hit is to stay buttoned up and go for cover at top speed. Once you are in a safe area, assess the damage and usually drive back to base to get the thing fixed.
It was actually the buttpained Cheeseburgers that first made the claim that Saudi Abrams have some inferior base armor. Which is totally unfounded and unsourced in any technical literature.
armor inserts don't protect the engines
And these are PR operations
>None of the aircraft involved in the rescue operation took any fire, according to the officer.
They would not send the V-22 anywhere it might take fire.
Except most sources on the deal never say that the M1A2S is the equivalent of the SEPv2. It's actually described more akin to the AIM upgrade, which only added in updated FCS and sensors and overhauled individual components to extend service life.
Nothing is said about any upgrade to armor package, and it's a well known fact that export Abrams don't have the DU inserts at the very least.
Except you know, the DU mesh is one of the key features on M1A1 HA. There's almost 6 tons of the stuff on an Abrams and adds around ~200mm effective vs KE on the frontal profile.
An Abrams not having the DU inserts is like T-90 without the ERA.
Blackhawks aren't very well armored either, and CSAR doesn't mean going on a mission where you actually take enemy fire. CSAR refers to extracting personnel from hostile territory, which 2011 Libya most certainly was.
>t. triggered BBC fetishist
wtf? someone's projecting their fetishes I see.
>So when the ammo cooks off, do they lose all of it? Or is it compartmentalized?
You'd be surprised, the turret bustle would still be pretty much intact. heck even the rounds themselves are; the propellant is all burned up but the combustible case is still there except for a hole or two and still holding the warhead/ projectile together.
>When the ammo fire begins in earnest everything else basically melts and the tank is lost.
>Blow-off panels only give the crew an extra few seconds to escape the fire.
False. You can stay inside and when the fire abates after a minute or so you can drive back home and have the turret bustle assembly repaired/replaced.
You mean Cheeseburgers provided proofs for the claim that Saudi Arabian Abrams have downgraded armor.
You claimed to know what that armor consisted of, and are trying to change the subject upon being called out.
you mean 3 out of 5 U.S. military branch.
title 10 and 14 U.S. code. its law nothing you can say to change that fact.
>How fucking embarrassing is it to buy BILLIONS AND BILLIONS worth of most-advanced equipment from US, UK, France and then be BTFO by a bunch of barefooted, khat-eating, sand people.
Idunno why not ask any us/uk soldier since they've been getting btfo in Iraq. Also the Saudis aren't paying sticker price for all that tech, we throw military hardware at them for dat sweet sweet oil
Suppose to be shipped without DU armor and high tech electronic goodies
Here's a pic of a export model I took at work, somebody said the E marking on the turret means export so comes with the monkey model armor. If somebody rolls dubs I'll reveal what was under that black tape [spoiler]nothing cool[/spoiler]
>this thread again
Exported Abrams are NOT the same. The crucial difference is they don't have the depleted uranium armor that ours do.
I don't know if this was stated in thread, I didn't read through must this garbage.
-Yes they fucking are-
Of the 6000 Abrams in active service less than a third are fitted with depleted uranium turret plates.
M1A2s are a minority in the armed forces, not a majority like people here seem to think.
6000 refers to Abrams that America has, the vast majority of which have one of the generations of DU armor.
By vast majority I am conceding that there are probably some old M1 or M1IP in a depot somewhere.
No, they fucking aren't. It's simple math.
M1A1s are by far the majority.
Have a section on Abrams export armor fitted to M1A1 AIM sold to Australia (not the same batch as Saudi but still export) from "ANAO Audit Report No.1 2007–08 Acquisition of the ABRAMS Main Battle Tank which describes a non-DU composite manufactured and sold by the US that is comparable to armor that includes DU. Side note here is that the US likes to use DU as it is much cheaper than equivalent materials, as DOE already owns a great amount of it.
>T-90 and Abrams operated by sandniggers
>T-90 and Abrams both downgraded models
>9000 vids of abrams getting BTFO
>0 vids of T-90 getting BTFO
>Also basically parade pieces that never leave the base.
lolwut. we had a couple of vids over the weeks of T-90s participating in operations that successfully liberated a couple villages. The SAA capitalizing on these tanks near immunity to anti-tank means of the opposition up to an including TOWs mirrored the earlier stages of the war wherein they practically steamrolled the rebels with their still intact mechanized arms since their opponents didn't have TOWs back then.
>~6 T-90A's operated by Russian soldiers in Syria now count as Arabs?
and who told you they were operated by Russians? They actually wouldn't be very effective in combat if they can't understand the infantry they are supporting you know...
They'll buy more, we get more oil, sand niggers will abandon them as usual, get blown up by enemy sand niggers, repeat.
It's like you think they are actually getting destroyed in combat lol
The US never forgets that Iran bought F-18s before the revolution, aircrafts they still maintain. Exports models are therefore carefully thought out before leaving the US.
I see people here are rather concerned with armor and ammunition. You forget the fire control system can be backdoored. It probably is.
Rumour in the defence industry is that no high tech weapons are exported without a backdoor or a trap of some form. And that this is the reason why the source code to F-35 is not provided to supposed allies, like the UK. That source code would probably reveal the back doors. See also the recent reveals on the US tapping Israeli aircrafts in real time, including video feed.
The easiest way of backdooring tanks is through the fire control computer. Just apply a few degrees offset to intended firing solution and you have plausible misses.
The same rumours are that the back dooring takes place through undeclared dataframes in the GPS data. Much of the GPS data is declared, such as ephemeris, calendar etc. There is a lot more that noone talks about.
These rumours have been going on for more than 10 years now. Do not expect these ever to be revealed by the US. You would basically have to reverse enginner a lot of code, including embedded code and FPGAs and ASICs provided with cryptographic protections against exactly these kinds of probings.
seriously you have no idea at all how tech you are about works
like ballistic computers in mbt are separate systems from coms and are generally shielded really heavily
>See also the recent reveals on the US tapping Israeli aircrafts in real time, including video feed.
another story leaked from somewhere by someone not confined by anyone involved and generally run by internet tabloids
>The same rumours are that the back dooring takes place through undeclared dataframes in the GPS data.
yep a one way coms, sure this is going to work ..
Yes. My fault.
>seriously you have no idea at all how tech you are about works
Actually I do.
>like ballistic computers in mbt are separate systems from coms and are generally shielded really heavily
What are you talking about? Only the most misinformed believe GPS is part of communications. And you need position information, particularly latitude in order to compensate for coriolis effect, something that has been well known for more than 50 years. That latitude information comes from the GPS.
>>See also the recent reveals on the US tapping Israeli aircrafts in real time, including video feed.
>another story leaked from somewhere by someone not confined by anyone involved and generally run by internet tabloids
Sufficient to elicit a response from Israel.
>>The same rumours are that the back dooring takes place through undeclared dataframes in the GPS data.
>yep a one way coms, sure this is going to work ..
Of course. You only need to transmit that a certain lot of weapons are now to be disabled, no need to get feedback.
I never brought up two way communications but if you wish to do that I am sure the US is capable of that. For instancde the ballistics computer is connected to the gunner's primary sight in which you can easily hide a microwave antenna that the buyers would not recognize as such.
>Idunno why not ask any us/uk soldier since they've been getting btfo in Iraq.
Because ROE and hiding behind civillians, mostly.
In open warfare, sandpeeps generally get wiped out by anyone slightly comptent. The reason ISIS is doing okay right now is because they're mostly fighting other sandpeeps.
Arab tank crews are not very skilled. They often sit there in the open until they get hit. They also have a habit of bailing after the first hit, even if it wasn't a serious amount of damage.
Few tanks have means for detecting incoming missiles or even laser illumination. There has been talk about it but that is all: just talk.
Certain types of reactive armour have a radar system that detonates plating in front of the path of the incoming missile or projectile. This radar is very short range and also has to be weak in order not to give away the position of the tank.
Don't be hard on them. Had to walk over a mountain range in flip-flops, can't be carrying plasma-cutters simply on spec.
The wrecks in Yemen proper are probably going to stay there relatively unmolested. Wait for end of the (local) war. Might not be long.
This, Then like we've seen many times over
>Hadji finds a intact abrams
>Hadji doesn't know how to fix or operate such a non slav vehicle
>Hadji gets confused and head begins to hurt
>so Hadji puts TNT into intact tank blowing it up and yelling allah akbar
Video then becomes fodder and bait for abrams is shit posts on internet by slav stronk shills
Yes they're too stupid.
Also unlike slavic shit they can't be repaired with a sledge hammer and vodka. They actually require spare parts (which they don't have access to) and a general proficiency with tools (which they don't have).
I don't really understand, they capture a clearly intact tank fill it full of explosives and blow it up? So whats wrong with the tank as a design? Just seems like the idiots driving and commanding it.
It could have been any tank even a T-55 and the outcome would have been the exact same.
The real t-72 used by Saddam was very few.
In 1991 the most of the irak's armored forces was composed of t-55 and chinese knock off, mixed with t-44, ww1 tankette etc etc with no air support, without a good AA to save their asses and the top of this, the t-72 used ammunitions discarded by soviets in 1973, becouse its werent effective.
>You mean like 30% of their territory that they conquered in 2015. The Saudis aren't even at Sanaa yet.
I meant 80 percent of the country, counting the area the Hadi remnants retreated too in the past. Thanks for catching me on that.
The UK has had access to and helped with the source code of F35 for almost 10 years.
BAE with its warship and submarine building experience brings a huge amount to the table when it comes to sensor fusion and system integration.
>BILLIONS AND BILLIONS
Abrams cost like 6-7 million. And I highly doubt the Saudis and Iraqis are paying those prices considering the amount of free shit and aid we give them every year.
Propoganda pieces, mostly. Russia has never allowed their most advanced tech anywhere near actual danger. The thing about being an export based military is that you gotta make your shit look good on the screen. They still remember how big a hit their T-72 sales got in the First Gulf War.
Tank and crew are fine in the case of ammo cooking off, just without ammo.
retard, that book is from 2003. 13 fucking years ago!
Saudi Abrams'es do CONTAIN DU panels.
The Saudis are such shit and can't win any war they get into, no matter what kind of equipment they have. I'm surprised they haven't flown their new Typhoons into the ground yet. Sure as hell isn't BAE's fault if they do.
Again, there is no difference between Saudi and US armor except for the DU plates, which only cover two front turret faces anyway..
I believe only the Egyptian tanks have considerably downgraded armor because they are manufactured locally and the Egyptians are probably using homogeneous steel.
Setting aside that you have no knowledge of what the Arab export armor consists of besides;
-not the same as what Australia uses or what was offered to European countries
-inferior to armor packages used in the 90's
Only poorly trained crews abandon perfectly intact tanks, since they're prone to panic and bail at the first hit regardless of whether it's done any damage or not.
Guess how well trained Arabs tend to be?
>Lets blow up abandoned tonk with all the explosives we got.
>Totally legit combat kill guiz.