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Houthis keep on destroying Saudi Abrams tanks. If they continue like this, Saudis will need to order another 100 ASAP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teJzpn68oCs

How fucking embarrassing is it to buy BILLIONS AND BILLIONS worth of most-advanced equipment from US, UK, France and then be BTFO by a bunch of barefooted, khat-eating, sand people.
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>>28907596
>Another
Nope this video has already been posted. >>28899920
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Aren't the export Abrams monkey models?
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>>28907596
> btfo
> captured, laden with explosives, ignited
> soviet stronk tank easily survives that
nice shilling, ridf
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>>28907628
Sorry Tyrone, it deserves its own thread.
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>>28907639
no, just crewed by monkeys
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>>28907639
I thought they didn't put the most update electronics in them? What are the main differences?
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BREAKING NEWS: Military equipment get destroyed from time to time during warfare

More news at 11
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>>28907759
sensible chuckle
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The Saudi army is a fucking joke. There doesn't even appear to be anything wrong with the tank in OP's video, they simply abandoned it.

>>28907639
>>28907744
Saudi Abrams are old 90's vintage M1A2's with the export armor package (what Egypt, Iraq, and Kuwait also got).

They have been updating them recently with electronics from the SEP, which are designated M1A2S.
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>>28907744
No depleted uranium armor inserts
But the real difference is the complete lack of training
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>>28907596
Arabs are retards, nothing new.
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Isn't the saudi army typical for what rich nations without a fucking clue tend to do?

Waste billions on hi-tech military gadgets while the training system is still stuck in the medieval caste system resulting in a bunch of barely-literate offspring of cousin-fuckers can't make any of it work.

Literally any fucking arab oil state.
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>>28907639
typical ameriboo damage control, pulling the "muh monkey model" card when the tanks are the exact same shit us forces use themselves.
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>>28907912
I'm not American.

And I asked that because any self-respecting nation won't export their A-grade material, because it'll just find its way to the Chinese sooner or later, then it gets reverse-engineered and sold to your enemies. The Soviets never did and I don't think anyone with any sense does.
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>>28907912
but they aren't
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>>28907912
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>>28907887
>>28907878
They aren't doing that badly.

All pro Houthi posters fail to mention the five thousand casualties they've taken from all these advanced western weapons along with 80% of their territory to the Saudis and Al Qaeda.

Which is still not bad given that they've managed to kill more then a thousand coalition troops.
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>>28907957
But they are, the S is literally a export UPGRADE from the SEP, meaning it has all the same shit the domestic SEP has, including the armor.
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>>28908069
see >>28907849 my desperate, dumb vatnik friend
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>>28907954
The Brits have multiple times. So have the French.
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>>28907596
Anti Tank guided missileman here.

We were briefed that the exported models were indeed monkey models. Of course they wouldnt exactly tell us they werent, but thats the official line we were given.

Also, you need to keep in mind that there are several types of kills that can be made on a tank.

I mean im sure we are all familiar with catastrophic kill (oblitorated, cannot be rebuilt or repaired)
Mobility kill (cannot move)
Firepower kill (cannot shoot)
But crews can also get spooked and just bail out of an otherwise servicable vehicle.

And enemy tech HAS existed for years that can penetrate our MBT's, but just because a rocket, IED, or Missile kills a crew member, breaks a component, or just scares the sand monkey crew bad enough to abandon a salvagable vehicle doesnt mean it was a catastrophic kill.

From what our intel guys said the hajis like capturing tanks, blowing them up once they cant maintain or use them, then taking pics and videos of them dancing around a burning hulk and claiming they blew it up in combat.
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>>28908388
>ATGM guy here

Did you blow up any T-55's in the sandbox?
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>>28908410
No, all of my deployments were in afghanistan.

We put a TOW bunker buster through a compound wall and we used an old TOW Alpha to blow open a gate to initiate a raid though.

I blew up a T-72 hulk that had a full combat loadout inside on a testing range outside of Las vegas as part of testing for the newer improved long range JAV, and have fired a couple TOW Bravos off at M60's on ranges, and blew up an old LAV with a JAV on a range last year.

I VC a truck now, but not even that much anymore since I EAS soon.
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>>28907912
Which is exactly what russiaboos do when someone mentions syria's t-72 fleet.
>muh monkey model
>muh sandnigger crew
That argument swings both ways.
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>>28907596
>still nobody cuts out M1A2 frontal armor on video
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>>28908527
>T-72's

Literally the diet pepsi of the russian export market right now.
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>>28908528
You think they are smart enough to do that?
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>>28908548
No. But smart people may call them and send couple dollars to do that.
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>>28908566
Unless they are all just monkey models comprised of regular old homogenous rolled steel and not worth cutting up and checking out.
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>>28908614
I dont think anyone would accept export M1 abrams if they were just plain old RHA.

But if they did cut them up then we would see some interesting shit. It would be seeing a cut up T-72B all over again.
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>>28908614
>>28908823
No Abrams model, export or not has just RHA.

The armor package is different from US Abrams but it's still composite.
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Can anyone tell me what "monkey models" are?

Do they have less armor?

Are they made with less quality?

Are they simply Abrams that aren't updated or modernized... say ten-twenty years behind current tech?
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>>28909716
Monkey Models are downgraded export model tanks sold to other nations while the good stuff is kept at home.

The downgrade is usually just the armor package to avoid capture which can prove disastrous.

The latest and greatest ammunition is another thing that typically isn't sold for the same reason as the armor.

Electrical systems, FCS and shit like that usually aren't downgraded as them being captured doesn't really matter.

That being said export models usually won't have the latest electronic updates because they won't be receiving regular upgrades like our tanks.
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>>28909824

shut the fuck up amerilard your military is shit, Europa will crush you !!!!
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>>28909716
>>28909824
For comparison, the 'monkey model' T-72s used by Saddam were;

T-72A
T-72M1 (T-72A without NBC gear)
T-72M (downgraded FCS and hull armor)

All were outdated compared to the then Soviet standard T-72B, but were for intents and purposes comparable to second line Soviet units.
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>>28909716
Different armor package, no M829 ammo and Arab crews.
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>>28907639

M-Mm...
MMMMMM. eehh MMM MOOONKEY


MODEL!
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>>28907849
>Saudi Abrams are old 90's vintage M1A2's with the export armor package

Which is the standard armor package minus DU plates on the turret cheeks...
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So when the ammo cooks off, do they lose all of it? Or is it compartmentalized?
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>>28910090

When the ammo fire begins in earnest everything else basically melts and the tank is lost.

Blow-off panels only give the crew an extra few seconds to escape the fire.
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>>28907639
Saudi ones are the latest M1A2 SEP standard minus DU. By your logic the marine corps and the vast majority of the army are using monkey models since most Abrams are the M1A1 variant.
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>>28910403
the marine corps use monkey models of everything, so that isn't fair.
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>>28910468
Hence why they're using the V-22, a superior helo platform to anything the army is using.
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>>28910508
If it's so superior how come the army refuses to buy it?
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>>28910536
Embedded MiC
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>>28910616
It's shit m8
Noone else wants it, noone else buys it, once upon a time they had fantasies of large procurement numbers and a big export market.. lol
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>>28910072
>Which is the standard armor package minus DU plates on the turret cheeks...

[citation needed]
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>>28910403
>Saudi ones are the latest M1A2 SEP standard minus DU.

You can stop lying.
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>>28910753
3 of 4 US military branches use it.

Japan has bought it.

India, Israel and South Korea are buying it.
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>>28910090
The rear of the turret is toast, the front half might be salvageable. The hull and crew should be fine.
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>>28911306
Those don't count. They don't have a real military.
Try again ameriboo.
Whereas Russian tanks are sold to real countries with real armies.
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>>28911327
Such a obvious bait
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>>28907596
> tanks explode after they're abandoned, captured, opened and filled will bombs, which are then detonated

Oh gee golly gosh gee wilikers thanks OP is your next video going to show how American boats sink when they're completely filled with water?
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>>28911306
india and israel won't be buying it,
SK maybe might, but probably won't once they discover its inability to land in high altitude terrain.
Japan was essentially bribed/paid into buying them

I don't know why the airforce bought them, or why the Navy is buying them, but probably the marines somehow forced it.
The army is building its own next gen helicopter, so it won't get any V-22's.
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>>28911394
>buttmad future mexican
here's something for you to cry over
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>>28911426
t. triggered BBC fetishist
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>>28911405
The USAF likes the V-22 since it's ideal for SAR, CSAR, and special forces missions.

The Navy is getting the V-22 as a C-2 replacement and to serve as an aerial tanker.

Israel let the proposal expire due to elections, and are waiting for the new cabinet to vote on it.

SK and India are still showing interest, and haven't said anything one way or another.

>its inability to land in high altitude terrain.

Except that's a flat out lie, considering that a V-22 extracted a special forces team from a 15,000 foot mountain that conventional helos couldn't reach.
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>>28911405
>these countries who have expressed interest in buying it were forced to

the reek of desperation
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>>28911241

Wait, are yoou delusional niggers actually now claiming that the export models use homogeneous steel armor?

lol

I should remind you niggers that such basic primary armor has not been used in a tank since the 1950s.
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>>28911777
You made an assertion that the export armor package was just the 'standard' armor package without the DU.

Now that you were called out on being full of shit you are trying to strawman.
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>>28911258

>Not wanting their M1A2 tanks to become obsolete, the Saudi government contracted with GDLS in 2006 to rebuild and upgrade their M1A2 tank fleet to the US Army M1A2 SEP standard, with some modifications to suit the needs of the Royal Saudi Army. These upgraded Saudi M1A2 tanks are referred to by GDLS as the M1A2S.

Why do Americunts lose so much blood out of the anus because their 30-year old tanks are not invincible?

Why the bruised ego? Unless your dad personally designed the Abrams tank, why would you let your ego get involved in this?

Fucking savage niggers.
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>>28911844

I must have missed where you proved conclusively that there is any difference in the base armor between standard and Saudi tanks outside of DU screens...

Oh wait. You're full of shit. Like the rest of the stunted chest thumpers.
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>>28911726
The v-22 can fly in plane mode up to 25,000 feet
But it cannot hover that high, so it cannot land/take off from that height.

Special forces missions might be one thing it works ok for, launching from a long runway, flying high for maximum speed & range, etc
CSAR... no, its not armored, small arms fire will kill passengers & shoot down the airplane.
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>>28911908
Why do Vatniks lose so much blood out of the anus when someone pokes holes in their attempts to shitpost?
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>>28911952
>CSAR... no, its not armored, small arms fire will kill passengers & shoot down the airplane.

Except it's already done it. A V-22 extracted a downed USAF pilot in Libya in 2011, covering a 266 mile round trip in 90 minutes. Plus the USAF has already developed armor inserts to protect against ground fire.
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>>28911930
So this is the famed "make a claim and demand to be proven wrong".
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>>28912008

>Vatnik

Very cute. Enjoy being hated for this very reason.
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>>28910119

Try harder vatnik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay7bOG2nD6k

The SOP for a magazine hit is to stay buttoned up and go for cover at top speed. Once you are in a safe area, assess the damage and usually drive back to base to get the thing fixed.
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>>28912032

It was actually the buttpained Cheeseburgers that first made the claim that Saudi Abrams have some inferior base armor. Which is totally unfounded and unsourced in any technical literature.
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>>28912013
armor inserts don't protect the engines

And these are PR operations
>None of the aircraft involved in the rescue operation took any fire, according to the officer.
They would not send the V-22 anywhere it might take fire.
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>>28912085
Except most sources on the deal never say that the M1A2S is the equivalent of the SEPv2. It's actually described more akin to the AIM upgrade, which only added in updated FCS and sensors and overhauled individual components to extend service life.

Nothing is said about any upgrade to armor package, and it's a well known fact that export Abrams don't have the DU inserts at the very least.
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>>28911930

Except you know, the DU mesh is one of the key features on M1A1 HA. There's almost 6 tons of the stuff on an Abrams and adds around ~200mm effective vs KE on the frontal profile.

An Abrams not having the DU inserts is like T-90 without the ERA.
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>>28912139
Blackhawks aren't very well armored either, and CSAR doesn't mean going on a mission where you actually take enemy fire. CSAR refers to extracting personnel from hostile territory, which 2011 Libya most certainly was.
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>>28911705
>t. triggered BBC fetishist
wtf? someone's projecting their fetishes I see.
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>>28912045
Thanks for acknowledging what you are, even if your seething hatred for Americans blinds you to it.
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>>28910090
>So when the ammo cooks off, do they lose all of it? Or is it compartmentalized?
You'd be surprised, the turret bustle would still be pretty much intact. heck even the rounds themselves are; the propellant is all burned up but the combustible case is still there except for a hole or two and still holding the warhead/ projectile together.
>>28910119
>When the ammo fire begins in earnest everything else basically melts and the tank is lost.
>Blow-off panels only give the crew an extra few seconds to escape the fire.
False. You can stay inside and when the fire abates after a minute or so you can drive back home and have the turret bustle assembly repaired/replaced.
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>>28912436
You are always posting about minorities, so there is some Freud going on.
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>>28912085
You mean Cheeseburgers provided proofs for the claim that Saudi Arabian Abrams have downgraded armor.

You claimed to know what that armor consisted of, and are trying to change the subject upon being called out.
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>>28911306
you mean 3 out of 5 U.S. military branch.

title 10 and 14 U.S. code. its law nothing you can say to change that fact.
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>>28912671
Everyone forgets the Coast Guard get to pretend they are armed forces.

Perhaps distributed lethality will lead to some box launchers on cutters.
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>>28912751
The Coast Guard is larger and more heavily armed than a good chunk of actual navies.
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>>28911908
The crew abandoned the tank. It didn't get btfo.
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>>28912770
>more heavily armed than a good chunk of actual navies
>Not a single vessel is equipped with guided missiles
lmao
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>>28912861
Helis are though. I know they've shot down at least two planes belonging to drug runners.
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>>28907596
>How fucking embarrassing is it to buy BILLIONS AND BILLIONS worth of most-advanced equipment from US, UK, France and then be BTFO by a bunch of barefooted, khat-eating, sand people.

Idunno why not ask any us/uk soldier since they've been getting btfo in Iraq. Also the Saudis aren't paying sticker price for all that tech, we throw military hardware at them for dat sweet sweet oil

>>28907639
Suppose to be shipped without DU armor and high tech electronic goodies

Here's a pic of a export model I took at work, somebody said the E marking on the turret means export so comes with the monkey model armor. If somebody rolls dubs I'll reveal what was under that black tape [spoiler]nothing cool[/spoiler]
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>this thread again
Exported Abrams are NOT the same. The crucial difference is they don't have the depleted uranium armor that ours do.

I don't know if this was stated in thread, I didn't read through must this garbage.
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>>28915166
-Yes they fucking are-

Of the 6000 Abrams in active service less than a third are fitted with depleted uranium turret plates.

M1A2s are a minority in the armed forces, not a majority like people here seem to think.
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>>28915233
6000 refers to Abrams that America has, the vast majority of which have one of the generations of DU armor.

By vast majority I am conceding that there are probably some old M1 or M1IP in a depot somewhere.
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>>28915233
>>28915361
M1A2 are a majority, like pure fleet level majority, in Armor BCT.
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>>28915361
I don't think we have any of the 105mm Abrams in reserve any longer. They have all either been converted to M1A1 spec (including armor) or have been retired fully.
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>>28915166
why did you revive this thead? It was about to die.
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>>28915385
No, they fucking aren't. It's simple math.

M1A1s are by far the majority.
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>>28909868
>Europa
But it's several AU away and uninhabited. Are you Ayys?
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>>28915581
You do understand the difference between active and reserve right?
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>>28911241
Have a section on Abrams export armor fitted to M1A1 AIM sold to Australia (not the same batch as Saudi but still export) from "ANAO Audit Report No.1 2007–08 Acquisition of the ABRAMS Main Battle Tank which describes a non-DU composite manufactured and sold by the US that is comparable to armor that includes DU. Side note here is that the US likes to use DU as it is much cheaper than equivalent materials, as DOE already owns a great amount of it.
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>>28907596

Meh. Monkey model or no, the US and Bongistan only have money to gain from these morons continuously misusing them. So long as they keep paying...
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>>28916145
This is irrelevant as Australia has a different armor package as the Arab countries.
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>>28908491
Wouldn't something other than an ATGM be better got that instead ?
>>28909868
Indeed. Germany will crush the Amerilards with their broomsticks on tanks.
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>>28911327
>no real military
I wonder who fought off 5 arab countires, and then took their land.
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>T-90 and Abrams operated by sandniggers
>T-90 and Abrams both downgraded models

>9000 vids of abrams getting BTFO
>0 vids of T-90 getting BTFO


checkmate america
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>>28907744
I giant glaring flaw that the greatest nations on earth can't solve. Crewed by arabs
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>>28917170
>checkmate america
tbf those Arabs behind T-90s are handpicked from tankers the good god darwin left behind after years of warfare.
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>>28917170
The T-90s are much rarer and are hardly sent into frontline combat.
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>>28917170
~6 T-90A's operated by Russian soldiers in Syria now count as Arabs?
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>>28917408
Also basically parade pieces that never leave the base.
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>>28917451
>Also basically parade pieces that never leave the base.
lolwut. we had a couple of vids over the weeks of T-90s participating in operations that successfully liberated a couple villages. The SAA capitalizing on these tanks near immunity to anti-tank means of the opposition up to an including TOWs mirrored the earlier stages of the war wherein they practically steamrolled the rebels with their still intact mechanized arms since their opponents didn't have TOWs back then.
>>28917408
>~6 T-90A's operated by Russian soldiers in Syria now count as Arabs?
and who told you they were operated by Russians? They actually wouldn't be very effective in combat if they can't understand the infantry they are supporting you know...
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>>28907596
Good
They'll buy more, we get more oil, sand niggers will abandon them as usual, get blown up by enemy sand niggers, repeat.

It's like you think they are actually getting destroyed in combat lol
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>>28917840
You say "we" as if you have any stake in this. How cute.
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why... didn't they just take the tank instead of blowing it up
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>>28917899
They don't have the resources to maintain and support it, so what's the point?
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>>28911426
>missile needs about 10 seconds from launch to impact
>the tank just sits there the entire time

Is this typical in combat?
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>>28917899
Muslims cant use tanks, it's Habram.
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Selling your mates outdated MBTs
then selling their enemies TOWs

US knows how to make money son
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>>28917975
>and then give all profit to Israel
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>>28917975

Implying the Houthis use TOW and not Iranian supplied Toophan clones and various Russian missiles.
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The US never forgets that Iran bought F-18s before the revolution, aircrafts they still maintain. Exports models are therefore carefully thought out before leaving the US.

I see people here are rather concerned with armor and ammunition. You forget the fire control system can be backdoored. It probably is.

Rumour in the defence industry is that no high tech weapons are exported without a backdoor or a trap of some form. And that this is the reason why the source code to F-35 is not provided to supposed allies, like the UK. That source code would probably reveal the back doors. See also the recent reveals on the US tapping Israeli aircrafts in real time, including video feed.

The easiest way of backdooring tanks is through the fire control computer. Just apply a few degrees offset to intended firing solution and you have plausible misses.

The same rumours are that the back dooring takes place through undeclared dataframes in the GPS data. Much of the GPS data is declared, such as ephemeris, calendar etc. There is a lot more that noone talks about.

These rumours have been going on for more than 10 years now. Do not expect these ever to be revealed by the US. You would basically have to reverse enginner a lot of code, including embedded code and FPGAs and ASICs provided with cryptographic protections against exactly these kinds of probings.
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>>28918093

Don't you mean F14's?
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>>28912008
>get proven wrong
>well you're a vatnik
Americlaps are so delusionaly brainwashed it's hillarious
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>>28917170
>9000 vids of abrams getting BTFO

You mean 10 videos? And in most of them Abrams is not even completely destroyed just abandoned by panicking monkeys?
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this thread is almost as bad as the "Why is everything Russia makes shit" thread from a few months ago.
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>>28918093
seriously you have no idea at all how tech you are about works

like ballistic computers in mbt are separate systems from coms and are generally shielded really heavily

>See also the recent reveals on the US tapping Israeli aircrafts in real time, including video feed.

another story leaked from somewhere by someone not confined by anyone involved and generally run by internet tabloids

>The same rumours are that the back dooring takes place through undeclared dataframes in the GPS data.

yep a one way coms, sure this is going to work ..
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>>28918171
Burgers get so buttblasted it's not even funny.
>I-it's just a monkeymodel!
>It was abandoned!
>fucking mmonkeys x((
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>>28918098
Yes. My fault.

>>28918205
>seriously you have no idea at all how tech you are about works
Actually I do.

>like ballistic computers in mbt are separate systems from coms and are generally shielded really heavily
What are you talking about? Only the most misinformed believe GPS is part of communications. And you need position information, particularly latitude in order to compensate for coriolis effect, something that has been well known for more than 50 years. That latitude information comes from the GPS.

>>See also the recent reveals on the US tapping Israeli aircrafts in real time, including video feed.
>another story leaked from somewhere by someone not confined by anyone involved and generally run by internet tabloids
Sufficient to elicit a response from Israel.

>>The same rumours are that the back dooring takes place through undeclared dataframes in the GPS data.
>yep a one way coms, sure this is going to work ..
Of course. You only need to transmit that a certain lot of weapons are now to be disabled, no need to get feedback.

I never brought up two way communications but if you wish to do that I am sure the US is capable of that. For instancde the ballistics computer is connected to the gunner's primary sight in which you can easily hide a microwave antenna that the buyers would not recognize as such.
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>>28907596
I'm pretty sure we don't sell tanks with the same armor we have.
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>>28907596
Looks like the tank got disabled and the crew bolted the fuck out of there.
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>>28912912
>Idunno why not ask any us/uk soldier since they've been getting btfo in Iraq.

Because ROE and hiding behind civillians, mostly.

In open warfare, sandpeeps generally get wiped out by anyone slightly comptent. The reason ISIS is doing okay right now is because they're mostly fighting other sandpeeps.
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So can someone explain why that TOW missile vid shows the tank just sitting there for 10 seconds?
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>>28918486
Arab tank crews are not very skilled. They often sit there in the open until they get hit. They also have a habit of bailing after the first hit, even if it wasn't a serious amount of damage.
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>>28918486
Few tanks have means for detecting incoming missiles or even laser illumination. There has been talk about it but that is all: just talk.

Certain types of reactive armour have a radar system that detonates plating in front of the path of the incoming missile or projectile. This radar is very short range and also has to be weak in order not to give away the position of the tank.
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>>28908548
Don't be hard on them. Had to walk over a mountain range in flip-flops, can't be carrying plasma-cutters simply on spec.

The wrecks in Yemen proper are probably going to stay there relatively unmolested. Wait for end of the (local) war. Might not be long.
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>>28918486
Why it should not? Real life is not BF game where you get the warning sign.
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>>28918510
This, Then like we've seen many times over
>Hadji finds a intact abrams
>Hadji doesn't know how to fix or operate such a non slav vehicle
>Hadji gets confused and head begins to hurt
>so Hadji puts TNT into intact tank blowing it up and yelling allah akbar

Video then becomes fodder and bait for abrams is shit posts on internet by slav stronk shills
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Why would you not try to capture an M1 tank?
Are these khat munchers too stupid to attempt repairs?
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>>28919162
Yes they're too stupid.

Also unlike slavic shit they can't be repaired with a sledge hammer and vodka. They actually require spare parts (which they don't have access to) and a general proficiency with tools (which they don't have).
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>>28907596
I don't really understand, they capture a clearly intact tank fill it full of explosives and blow it up? So whats wrong with the tank as a design? Just seems like the idiots driving and commanding it.

It could have been any tank even a T-55 and the outcome would have been the exact same.
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>>28918165
>proven wrong

That has to actually happen for you to claim so, otherwise you just come off as someone losing blood from their anus.
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>>28909915
The real t-72 used by Saddam was very few.
In 1991 the most of the irak's armored forces was composed of t-55 and chinese knock off, mixed with t-44, ww1 tankette etc etc with no air support, without a good AA to save their asses and the top of this, the t-72 used ammunitions discarded by soviets in 1973, becouse its werent effective.
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>>28919326
Also his T-72s did not have thermal infrared vision. That is commonly considered a major failing.
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>>28907596
The Saudis are as close to untrained as you can get. To say that their crew are incompetent would be a compliment.
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>>28919423
Neither did Soviet tanks outside of a handful of upgraded T-80's.
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>>28918556
why isnt it a priority? aircraft have had warning indicators for being locked on for ages.
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>>28908022
>80% of their territory

You mean like 30% of their territory that they conquered in 2015. The Saudis aren't even at Sanaa yet.
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>>28907596
What is whit that meme how not a one abrams was ever destryed (only demaged) from wiki?
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haha so is the Abrams tank the modern Sherman tank aka Ronson death trap?
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>>28919715
>You mean like 30% of their territory that they conquered in 2015. The Saudis aren't even at Sanaa yet.
Good point.

I meant 80 percent of the country, counting the area the Hadi remnants retreated too in the past. Thanks for catching me on that.
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>>28919802
vatnik strawman that originated from the fact that the only non mobility kill known until recently involved an IED combined with a bunch of artillery shells
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>>28918093
The UK has had access to and helped with the source code of F35 for almost 10 years.

BAE with its warship and submarine building experience brings a huge amount to the table when it comes to sensor fusion and system integration.
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>>28919423
None of the soviet tanks did. Most advanced soviet T-80U had light intensifier night sight TPN-4 Buran-PA.
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>>28909868
ITT: butthurt eurocucks.
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>>28921562
>euro
It's clearly a vatnik.
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>>28907596
>BILLIONS AND BILLIONS
Wat

Abrams cost like 6-7 million. And I highly doubt the Saudis and Iraqis are paying those prices considering the amount of free shit and aid we give them every year.
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>>28917689
Propoganda pieces, mostly. Russia has never allowed their most advanced tech anywhere near actual danger. The thing about being an export based military is that you gotta make your shit look good on the screen. They still remember how big a hit their T-72 sales got in the First Gulf War.
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>>28908546
Underrated post
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>>28910119
>>28910090

Tank and crew are fine in the case of ammo cooking off, just without ammo.

See webum
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>>28910403
Marine M1A1's are the Heavy Armor with the DU. it's a difference of electronics, otherwise the actual hull is identical.
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>>28924431
I never paid attention before, but it took 20 seconds of the ready ammo burning furiously to set off the semi ready ammo.
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>>28912497
retard, that book is from 2003. 13 fucking years ago!

Saudi Abrams'es do CONTAIN DU panels.
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>>28907596
The Saudis are such shit and can't win any war they get into, no matter what kind of equipment they have. I'm surprised they haven't flown their new Typhoons into the ground yet. Sure as hell isn't BAE's fault if they do.
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>>28924611
And their tanks contain the same armor they had 13 years ago, meaning no DU.

>retard calling someone else a retard
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>>28925087
BULLSHIT. They spend $2.9 billion upgrading them. They received armor upgrade too.

Also, talk about DU is a moot point because latest ATGMs can penetrate that too.
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>>28921678

>T-90
>Most advanced Russian tech

Lol, idiots believe this.
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>>28925480
The only upgrades the Saudis got to their Abrams were purely FCS and sensor related, as well as full overhauls. Nothing was ever said about armor upgrade packages.
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>>28912497

His point still stands. No one has proven that the basic armor package (ignoring DU plates) is any different between US and Saudi tanks.
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>>28925511
Considering the the Armata is still a pipe dream at this point, it pretty much is.
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>>28925533

Again, there is no difference between Saudi and US armor except for the DU plates, which only cover two front turret faces anyway..

I believe only the Egyptian tanks have considerably downgraded armor because they are manufactured locally and the Egyptians are probably using homogeneous steel.
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>>28925545

a pipe dream means something that does not and will never exist

the armata exists
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>>28925545

It's as much a pipe dream as the F-35, maybe even less so.
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>>28925563
>the armata exists

As a parade piece, so far.
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>>28924431
lol 21st Century Ronson

a fine American tradition
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>>28925575
Nice bait, bro.
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>>28925603

>Limited production, still being evaluated

You're just a bitch nigger.
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>>28925666
Everyone will be surprised if the T-14 gets produced in notable numbers.
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>>28925537
No it doesn't, he has not produced any evidence it is the same, whereas we have every reason to believe it is not.
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>>28925561
Setting aside that you have no knowledge of what the Arab export armor consists of besides;

-no DU
-not the same as what Australia uses or what was offered to European countries
-inferior to armor packages used in the 90's
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>>28925841

You have not produced any evidence that the basic armor of both tanks is different (not considering DU plates).
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>>28918171
Why would they abandon a good tank? They obviously ran away because they would die in the second anything comes close to them
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>>28919815
> Sherman Ronson meme
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>>28926050
Only poorly trained crews abandon perfectly intact tanks, since they're prone to panic and bail at the first hit regardless of whether it's done any damage or not.

Guess how well trained Arabs tend to be?
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>>28925928
see >>28925857
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>>28907596
>saudis bail out of tank because theyre fucking arabs
>houthis cap it and blast it
ABRAMS SHIT TANK LOL FUCKIN AMERIFATS WHEN WILL YOU LEARN?
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>>28917854
>American citizen
>Not having a stake in America's industries

?
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>>28907596
>Lets blow up abandoned tonk with all the explosives we got.
>Totally legit combat kill guiz.
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>>28909868
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