>A federal judge on Thursday denied Lockheed Martin's motion that could have forced Oshkosh Corp. to stop working on a $6.7 billion military contract while a lawsuit over that contract award continues.
>Oshkosh Corp.’s JLTV outpaced both Lockheed and AM General in reliability tests, logging 7,051 “Mean Miles between Operational Failure,” compared to the Humvee’s 2,968 miles. Lockheed posted 1,271 miles, while AM General demonstrated 526 miles – both performing worse than the Humvee.
Fuck it. A lot of these big corps do that as a matter of course rather than reason. They will always file a petition and suit just to see if they "can." and if it works out the potential payout is worth the minimal court fees.
I would love to see a law in place where if you knowingly go into the court with a fraudulent case you are fined in proportion to your wealth, to the tune of...3% for a big company that would be quite the bite.
No, this happens in pretty much every major defense contract. In fact, Oshkosh is doing it itself at the moment. One of their trucks lost a competition in some Euro country, and Oshkosh is disputing the results. It's pretty standard procedure.
>Humvee’s 2,968 miles. Lockheed posted 1,271 miles, while AM General demonstrated 526 miles
can someone explain to me why these vehicles seem to fall to shit so fast?
is it the environment, or are they getting blown up, or the weight of armor fucks up the frame etc.
hell a toyota with zero maintenance will scoff at those numbers
any car will scoff at 7000 miles with no maintenance when new.
the trucks are geared super low and they move tons of weight, that stresses the drivetrain like a motherfucker, especially when offroad.
Plus all military vehicles are like one step above a working prototype. The Tacoma has been around for decades and has benefitted from years of real world R&D.
A 25ton offroad vehicle is a pretty new idea
>a toyota with zero maintenance will scoff at those numbers
Try it off road. Not dirt road, but true cross country driving. That tends to be pretty rough on vehicles. There's probably towing and hauling criteria involved, also.
Thats not why a Toyota lasts longer this: >>28908482 is. With a good skid plate I would fully expect a Tacoma to handle the same, or worse, terrain those baby MRAPs do, even towing a proportionally similar weight.
>Not dirt road, but true cross country driving.
This. The figures sited here >>28907398 are for reliability over a very demanding course.
On the other hand, when used on road, they probably don't measure up to the reliability of a tractor-trailer combo. But that's because their systems are not optimized for continuous high speed highway operation. But that commercial truck would never even complete the off road course.
>can someone explain to me why these vehicles seem to fall to shit so fast?
Poor/improper maintenance, over stressing the vehicle.
If the HMMWV was used as intended, and taken care of properly, it would work just fine.
>tracks are mechanically less complex than wheels
The stupid shit you see on /k/
I practice procurement law. The law you propose would be meaningless because, humans are fallible, defects are common, and the would-be contractor litigating a bid protest almost never has adequate information for the case to be deemed "fraudulent" - often the process must be initiated and discovery completed for the would-be contractor to even be able to determine if it lost legitimately.
This isn't even accurate. Nor even if it was would it correspond to real world repair and maintenance task time, which is all much, much higher for tracked vehicles.
I mean, if this were true, why wouldn't every farm everywhere use tracked vehicles for farm work?
>I love Lockheed
> Oshkosh Corp.’s JLTV
Costs a bazillion dollars and can’t carry jack-shit compared to a Humvee.
Another corporate / government boondoggle that will cost American tax payers out the ass and meanwhile, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of already paid for and perfectly good MRAPs parked in the desert doing nothing...
You obviously don't understand what the JLTV is for. The JLTV is not a true HMMVW replacement. Rather, it is a UAH replacement. Give the tactical maneuvering to a more armored platform that is dedicated to it. The HMMVW will still be around, but relegated to duties behind the lines. This is good. The IBCT has been without decent tactical maneuverability for too long. And before you ask, no, an MRAP will not do this anywhere near as well. Too big, too heavy. It's neither strategically nor tactically mobile enough.
I would call you a retard but LM would probably sue me
They do indeed. Now just think of how they're used. Think of where they fit in organization wise. Now tell me if you think the JLTV has any place there.
Come on, man, use your brain!
In afghanistan, atleast for the Marines, you couldnt leave the wire in a humvee up armored or not. The MRAP and M-ATV, have both already seen years of combat and were basically Oshkosh's prototype, for the JLTV. While the process may be corrupt and unfair, Oshkosh is the correct choice.
I'd consider BAE's RG-33 the better MRAP, but we had the Socom Variant.
The ones we had had some great tweaks, first the RWS and later it's upgraded version, the CROWS-II that dropped the smoke dispensers for armor and fully integrated optics instead of a user-mounted LRF. Unlike standard RG-33s the roof hatches open outward so you have a shield if you trunk monkey. And the comms rigged for our own model jammer, a twin MBITR mount, a PSC-5 SATCOM mount, and a BFT.
Its called a "loser-pays" system, and its been suggested a bunch of times.
I am surprised that the contract didn't explicitly forbid this however. After the first time, you think the contract writers would figure it out.
>All dem Mark 23's
>All dat fucking casual swagger
>Look like a bunch of rag tag low class 'mericans
>qt3.14 mixed race AF officer that you know that nerdy motherfucker in the front is railing the shit out of
ALL OF MY JELLY
Being in an SF group is the best time you can have in the Army.
Unless you're in one of the Combat Service Support jobs like mechanic or cook. Combat Support jobs like Signal, MI, or Medical are great.
I really hope in 10 years all of the competent young men of /k/ will make up most of the SF groups and Ranger battalions.
I sometimes like to think the JOOS are using /k/ to prep the future generations of special operators.
What would it be like to have an all /k/ommando ODA?
Green Berets are social players primarily. It's not like Seals where the guys they want are the ones who can power through an insane physical challenge. And the people you want to infiltrate would be ID'd pretty easily.
For real. The real reason you see so many toyota trucks beat to shit is because they were exported all over the world, and in a shithole like Africa or the middle east, you are more likely to find toyota engine parts and some shady ass repair place.
In the Philippines, we have lots of old Toyota models still ambling around in good order despite obvious signs of previous damage. If it's Toyota, it's built no-nonesense.
Pictured being the most famous.
>Oshkosh Corp and OshKosh B'Gosh are separate companies
Not the way you fucking Russian hooligans drive, they wont. Seriously, I've lived in Atlanta, Los Angeles and New York, but I had more close calls as a pedestrian and while in a taxi with fucked up retarded drivers doing stupid shit in St. Petersburg for the year and a half I was there than all the rest combined. And then of course there's also watching every single fuck pulled over by cops give a handshake loaded with some rubles and drive along.
Fuck Russian roads, fuck Russian drivers and FUCK Russian cops. There were a ton of things I loved about living in Russia but being within half a mile of a Russian operating a motor vehicle was not one of them.
Oshkosh Corp is a shell corporation of OshKosh B'Gosh, merely a front to push affordable clothing brands to GIs and their military wives
Which is a view you can understand.
>"Recently, we were made aware of a substantial number of documents directly related to the competition that were not provided to the GAO or Lockheed Martin until very late in the protest process. We believe this newly discovered information should have been considered by the GAO before issuing a ruling on the protest, however, GAO declined to grant an extension to the 100-day deadline and could not consider the new documents.”