>>28903251 Question: which is the best stock cz pistol currently in production?
p01, p09, rami? There are so many different makes and I honestly don't understand the difference between any of them (outside of their obvious size differences). Is there any qualitative difference in their production quality?
>>28903546 This is really good info. But at 6'4" and 290lbs, I've a generous bit of real estate, and my hands don't favor thin handguns much. I'm much less effective in my shooting without having a "full grip" on the weapon, which is what attracted me to the one in question. Everyone's on about the ergos.
>>28903578 >Sphinx SDP Why? What justifies double the pricetag on a spinx compared to a CZ? From reviews I've read, it seems to come down to personal preference as the Spinx has higher attention to detail given to it, they roughly preform the same. Right; wrong?
>>28903251 >What info can /k/ provide on the CZ P01?
It has a perfect grip for most people.
Because the slide rides completely in the frame of the gun, the top part of the slide that you can actually grip can only be grabbed with your thumb and the edge of your forefinger. If you have fat fingers, this is even more difficult. It's about half the real estate of the Glock when you go to yank the slide back.
Trigger out of the box is extremely meh at best, even in DA. Tons of travel, stacking, and a somewhat vague break.
Lastly one item that confuses people: It comes with a polymer guide rod. Yes, an all-alloy pistol comes with a polymer guide rode. This is for a reason apparently, and that is to help absorb some of the recoil of the spring going back to battery and slamming against the slide stop. People who have replaced their guide rod with steel ones have reported more wear on the slide stop. Me personally, I haven't shot it enough after changing it out (only recently did) to notice anything, but you do change the spring when you do it, so there is that...
Source: Owned since 2013, probably have 1000+ rds through it.
They'll charge you about $150 to do one, and another $150 to install a super short reset in it.
How much of this can be done by your "average" gunsmith is a great question. I will tell you around here (South) CZs aren't very common - in stores or in holsters. Maybe if you went to Atlanta or found a guy who SPECIFICALLY knows what the fuck he's doing with a CZ you could get one done locally rather than send it in to the sponsored shop. Of course part of what you're paying for is to have it done absolutely correct, similar to Kimber's or S&W's custom services.
The custom shop sells most of the spare parts you'd need - springs, etc. But there's only a certain number of "performance" internals to pick from. The rest comes down to polishing up those surfaces to slick them up and whatever other magic the CZ Approved™ Gunsmiths are aware of to turn the trigger into something amazing. I will tell you this much: Throw enough money at them and they WILL make it amazing - the custom shop has pre-built models they've already customized for sale on their site. Not cheap at all though.
>>28905700 >Do you like it anon? Recommend something else?
IMO, and this is just IMO - it is a great gun to OWN, not necessarily have. I say that because it's not a gun I look at as a beater EDC. I've since gotten a subcompact Ruger LC9S for my EDC, because the CZ was almost "too nice" to be toting around all the time. If I had to go with a compact or full size for EDC, I'd be looking at other options besides CZ probably.
Don't misunderstand, I love CZs and have the P01 and a 455 - recently tried to get a 557 (but couldn't find one within 100 miles of me, go figure). CZs are extremely nice guns. The kind of nice that makes you not want to beat the shit out of it or grind the finish off in an EDC holster.
>>28905700 >I just want something comfortable, reliable, with 14+ round mags, hammer fired, that's appendix concealable, and accurate under $800 >This seems to fit the bill but I just like to get info from people who've already done what I'm thinking of doing.
At the end of the day, it will work. I can't remember that my P01 has ever failed in the 1000+ rounds, or if it did, it was very early on when the gun was super tight. I can't remember any time in the last 500+ rounds that it has done anything besides work and go bang every time.
Setting your price range at $800 there are a ton of options. My big qualm though was the fact that I didn't want "my baby" riding around in my EDC holster all the time. It took me a while to find and acquire it - like I said, CZs are very rare around here. Just the fact I found what I actually wanted was kind of an achievement.
More to the point though, yes it will do the job. Keep in mind though that it's about 30oz unloaded. Add the weight of 14 rounds of 9mm and that goes up. For fuck's sake, the iron slab that is the Ruger GP100 revolver is 40oz, and the comparative S&W 686p is 36oz. When fully loaded,the 686 is actually fairly close in weight considering its only loading 6 rounds of 357 in addition to the gun.
Whether these things matter to you or not is a great question. Tough to answer if you haven't EDC'd before, because having a 3+ lb metal brick in the back of your pants is a different experience than having a 2 lb subcompact tucked away in a pocket. It comes down to personal preference.
All in all if you're not worried about the finish of the gun and you want to use it as a beater, I think it will serve as a beater. There is a semi-decent source of US-based factory parts available for it, which is more than can be said for other guns. There are people out there who are experts on them - again, more than can be said for certain other guns. You WILL have to find, source, and pay for this though.
>>28905786 You're the most useful anon I think I've met. Thanks a bunch.
We differ in that I wouldn't mind it being an everyday holster whore. I form more of a bond with things that are with me through everything. If a glock saved my life one day, I'd feel I owe it more loyalty than my CZ, despite the cz love. Cause at that point, we're partners :'^)
>>28905723 Czc is not owned by CZ. Although Angus had some measure of promotion from CZ, the two are separate entities, which is why idpa doesn't allow the accushadow.
CZ makes a good product for the most part. Their early polymers had issues with the frames expanding around the front rail insert. Their Omega triggers aren't as well reviewed as the traditional ones for feel once modified, but that's all subjective anyway. Got used to sling shotting it differently and the small slide height by angling my hand more, which transfers over to work with the 92 not having much meat to grab as well. They use shit tier roll pins in the slide but Cajun Gun Works sells solid replacements.
Only time I saw a problem was when I saw a new short gripping about a half inch below the beaver tail with a weak grip, caused two stovepipes out of a hundred round on a p07 iirc.
Slide stops and trigger return springs seem to be the weak point of the design but mine have never broken either. Running several thousand rounds per year and replacing once a year, doing general preventative maintenance.
>>28905962 Also problems can be getting holsters and the finish on a lot of their guns isn't quite as good as other makers.
There are like eighty bajillion clones out who use different size parts in the same configuration, like Canik, Tanfoglio, IMI, and that Swiss company already mentioned, Sphinx. The older sphinxes, for what it's worth, are built far differently from the new stuff like the sdp
CZ decockers have really nice out of box triggers and CGW/CZ Custom make kits for them, but I think my next handgun is going to be a 75 compact (w/safety) so I can have a stupid light SAO flat trigger. Unfortunately I don't think CZ makes an aluminum frame compact with a safety. For CC you might want to also look at the PCR. It's something like 3 ounces heavier than a G19.
>>28903251 The P-01 is NATO certified. Go to the web page below to read the requirements the P-01 passed to get NATO certification. Remember: the P-01 performs better than the NATO requirements in the page below.
>>28907818 Nope, not even. Tired of special snowflake calibers being shilled by nogun fags who not only don't own them they have not even so much as been in the same airspace of them. Go to arfcom with this shit already.
>>28907931 Op here, you seem a bit toasty over my caliber of preference.... Maybe your philosophy on handgun usage differs from mine. But the way I figure it, I'll only ever need to use a ccw to work my way to a shotgun/rifle. That's assuming I'll ever need to use it. So the more bullets I can conceal to get me to my truck, the better.
Bonus points towards less mags required, less bulk to conceal, and greater overall ease of use. If I need more than 15rds of 9mm to get me to a safe point, I'm probably fucked anyways, but just incase, there's the concept of a spare mag. I fail to see the error in my ways.
Anyways, back to the topic. Is the p01 omega a limited edition or can I expect to see it on shelves still in a couple months time?
>>28908415 First, for capacity. There is no shortage of .45s that hold 14 or15 rounds in the mag. I know of more than a few tiny handed manlets who can control those double stack .45. Second your scenario about fighting your way to a rifle shotgun is ridiculous. That would mean you're in a sustained firefight with your opposition returning fire from cover or some shit.
Both of these arguments tells me your underageB& or stuck in a CoD frame of mind. Unless you live in some kebab shithole and not in the civilized world you will never have to fight your way to a rifle to continue your self defense fantasy. I will reaffirm my initial post. Anons who post about these inferior special snowflake calibers have zero real life experience with actual firearms.
>>28909167 It's meant to be ridiculous, to think of any scenario where muh stopping power is necessary. Where a 9mm wouldn't be suitable enough.
Never said there aren't any decent capacity ".45 OP's" simply that jamming the same amount of rounds into the mag calls for a bigger frame, thus making the .45 an inferior cartridge for cc, in my opinion. Doesn't offer anything worth the inconveniences. I really tried to like you bubba, But you're so damn insufferable. There's a difference between not owning a ccw pistol and being noguns, haven't been nouns for almost a decade now, just never saw a need to carry until recently. Not because of the developed defense fantasies you're on about. Just that the dindus aren't even bothering to act innocent anymore.
>>28903564 P-01 and sp-01 models are considered the modern "improved" 75
If you like steel, get the p or sp 01. Polymer, get a p07 or p09. Those are the compact and full-sized of each, respectively. Get the one that fits your hand; either one is soft-shooting, long barreled, and hi-capacity, so they'd be fine "duty" weapons.
I do think the p09 and sp-01 are 18-20 round magazines standard, though. I forget. That's better than most guns out there for that size.
>>28903251 I owned one and it was a decent handgun but actually pretty mediocre in many respects. You can do better for the same price. Grip ergonomics are amazing, everything else is pretty meh.
>>28903323 There's no such thing as NATO testing for handguns. The only reason people believe that is because they didn't actually read the article that explains that the testing was for a Czech police agency and the NSN was completely unrelated.
>>28907899 This is the article that everyone likes to share but never actually read.
>the Czech National police has required that they go even further, the testing regiment for this new pistol was the most demanding anyone has ever encountered.
NATO didn't test anything. The NSN is just a stock number. It doesn't mean anything special.
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