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So was he DEA or CIA?

He's listed in pre-production as DEA, but wouldn't that invalidate the whole "we need an LEO to operate on domestic soil" subplot with Emily Blunt's FBI character?

Couldn't decide whether to take this to /tv/ or here, but I thought that /tv/ would just shitpost and /k/ might have an answer.

Reason why I'm curious is that I had a conversation with former SAC of DEA SOD Derek Maltz and he got me all hyped up on DEA operations.
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>>28902808

Fuck you and fuck the DEA. They are just as bad as the ATF or worse.
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>>28902808

>>>/tv/

Welcome to /k/.

Get the fuck out. (Saved)
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>>28902829

Amen.
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>>28902838

*(saged)
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>>28902829
What's wrong with trying to counter narco-terrorism that's funding Jihadists?

They don't care about Andre slinging weed on the corner.
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Oh look, another Sicario thread.
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>>28902808
He is DEA.

He was only attached for the grab in El Paso and couldn't stay for the whole op.

Although I would have preferred that he have been the domestic liaison as it would have been 150% more operating and agreeing and less bitching and by-the-booking.
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>tfw Steve will never get his own movie.
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>>28902949

They are fighting the problem the wrong way. There would be zero profit in narco terrorism if the war on drugs was ended. The DEA and all the other drug cops are making the problem worse, not better, all while violating people's rights all day.
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>>28902808
He was a spy.
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>>28902808
He was clown college.

And BTW: FUCK all the sicario threads. every day the same shit
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Obviously you guys are just jealous of him operating in Juarez. You only wish you could leave your mom's basements.

#getalife
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>>28907431
Obviously you need to git the fuck out of this board.
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>>28907429
Now that one is actually funny.
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>>28907431

Well, obviously we have a rapist in Lincoln Park.
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>>28902949
>What's wrong with trying to counter narco-terrorism that's funding Jihadists?

[citation needed]

>They don't care about Andre slinging weed on the corner.

You're ignorant.
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>>28902808
Fuck the dea why won't you let me get high????
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FUCK
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>>28907414
>>28907429
>>28907441

My niggas
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>>28908113
EVERY
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>>28908129
SICARIO
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>>28908141
THREAD
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>>28902808
>>28902838
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>>28906667
>I just finished my first year and college and my professor has told me how the world works the post
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DEA are all over the place. DEA FAST team used to be in Afghanistan and they're all over latin america.
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Why are you fags so annoyed at sicario threads.
Don't like it? Don't click on it you retarded autists.
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjN24lTYTpU
daily reminder that if youre part of the "war on drugs is evil" youre just enabling shit heads like this
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>>28908474
>I don't watch the news: the post
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>>28908593
Because there are at least three, Every single day, for several months now. Its just impossible to ignore and I dont want to hide every single one. Its just annoying because its ALWAYS the same questions, ALWAYS the same discussions, ALWAYS the same circlejerk.

To be honest: I dont even like the movie. Yeah, the scene with the shootout was decent but thats all. The rest of the movie was pure shit
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>>28908593
You open /k/ in the morning because you want to enjoy some gun news and related discussions and since this movie came out you see the nerd-face of this asshole every single morning somewhere in the catalog.

Seriously - he had like six sentences to say, the supporting actor of the supporting actors of the supporting actors.

And NO, hes not the slightest bit like Vining. Mike had at least a REAL mustache not this little child molester stache
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>>28908593
LEO here. The only time ive ever seen a cop actually go through the motions of arresting somebody for smaller drugs like weed its if theyre driving and they run the risk of causing an accident or youre trying to hold a suspect an want another charge on him. even the most by the book guys don't bother if its some kids smoking a joint on the corner, or a bag of shrooms. its just not worth the hassle.
Heroin, meth, crack and other harder drugs we will but again that's more of a preemptive move. Do I care that some asshole is shooting up and slowly killing himself? No, that's his life to ruin. Will I have to care when he starting jacking off in the McDonalds handicap stall and people are scared of the noises? yes
just last week I had a women squirt her breast milk through a mail slot at us. I don't agree with every bit of how drug offenses are handled, but youre a sheltered child if you thinks its as simple as us busting them for profit
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>>28908676
oh please link me to all your young turk videos that defends drug addict pieces of shit you fucking child
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>>28908689
>>28908734

I don't even get the mindset of hiding.
There are multiple general thread since ever with the same discussions and same questions.
What about the humour threads? I dont think they are funny but others do so I dont go there and shitpost.
You should do the same
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He's not wearing a blue golf shirt and black windbreaker so he's obviously not CIA
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>>28908474

>yfw I've got two years of CJ eduction and training, but the more I learned and experienced the less I wanted to be a cop

The war on drugs is fucked, and you are either stupid, an idealist, or both to believe anything else.
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>>28908067
OP here, I'm not.

Like I said in my OP, I just spoke with former DEA SAC Derek Maltz who said that the top priority for the Administration is combating narco-terrorism and not targeting Jerome on the corner.
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>>28908755
They cant, they have autism.
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>>28902949
>narco-terrorism that's funding Jihadists

holy fuck dude you are ignorant

usa isreal and saudi fund the terrorist using globalist banks like HSBC this isn't even fringe they were caught red handed wtf jesus christ DEA pls go
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>>28902808

Steve "IGAB" Forsing is obviously a spook
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>>28908474
>im a literal cuck who lets big government decide what im allowed to do

back to your shed
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>>28902949
>people actually believe this

nigga the US government has been funding both for far longer (what is iran contra).
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>>28902808

>it's a Michael Gets Unburned episode

"Sometimes when I operate I pretend I'm an old Delta from the 80s"
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>>28908735
if you support the drug war you are a turbo cuck and also a fucking retard considering the federal government imports most of the heroin and cocaine to fund black operations
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>>28912145
>he literally believes what federal agents tell him

HAHAHAHA HOLY FUCK... holy shit no way
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>>28912575

>dat jawline
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>>28909272
>CJ education
My god you're a fucking idiot.
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>>28912581
you can do it all you want, but when youre a literal zombie of a person whos whole family alienates you don't come crying for my tax dollars to put your pathetic ass through rehab
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>>28912627
never said I supported it, theres just a lot more to consider then "ebil gubberment made crack to destroy the black man" and other tinfoil tails
do some research and get back to me whenever
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>>28912627
>ending the drug war will cause the Cartels to quit killing people

Because they would have every reason to turn their back on a multi-billion dollar smuggling and contraband operation
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>>28908735
>No, that's his life to ruin
>I will ruin his life by throwing him in a government cage

topkek

If you don't agree with how drugs offenses are handled, then why do you go through with it (other than a paycheck and benefits)? Can't you get a job that doesn't involve doing something that has been proven to be counterproductive against curbing drug use and destructive to the community?
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>>28913746
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>>28913737
>smuggling legal non-contraband

wat
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>>28913746

Can someone 'shop CIA into this photo >>28912575
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>>28913746
Sooo, what does the public know about that particular aircraft? Just curious.
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>>28908735
>Be me
>under 18
>Friend has tiny amount of reggies/minds "<1g"
>"yo can I run this in real quick?"
>naw we'll be good dawg no worries just goin to the store
>ate pot brownies before
>Foreshadowing bad events but no one thought anything of it
>Legally buying food with my legally earned parents money
>Legally eating my food outside of shop
>Pigs walk up
>Hey take everything out of ur pockets
>??
>Ahaha weed yeah we thought so (basically what it surmised too)
>Don't you know being under 18 you can't be out past the times on your driver licenses?
>Don't you know you're a fucking pig ruining lives?
>Get into battle over how he's a dumbass and my DRIVING TIMES correlate to my allowed to be out times.
>Friend had just gotten over drug courses
>I have nothing on me and repeatedly tell my friend I'm sorry this happened
>Snarl and bitch at cops cause yanno they're pigs
>They let him go because obviously they're fuckin pigs and know they were in the wrong
>call parents expecting them to be mad at us
>Parents are surprisingly a-okay with this as after I explained the situation they realized the pigs were pigs too
That's why pigs are pigs and you shouldn't be one either.
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>>28913769
>implying we'd import

We'd grow it here, process it here, and let the FDA in to ensure standards, that's if you look at legalization bei9ng the necessary catalyst or by-produce of ending the drug war. Ending the drug war doesn't necessarily mean legalization, it just means we give up trying to control it, making it even easier for the cartels. In either situation the cartel's product becomes smuggled contraband.
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>>28908067
Great argument, idiot.
>I don't agree with you!
>I better call you a buzzword! Ignorant!
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>>28913806
>Ending the drug war doesn't necessarily mean legalization

That is what the term is commonly meant to say.

Also cartels make money because they take the risks. Ending a hardline approach on drugs even if it is not totally 100% legal will cut into cartel profits because it lowers that risk.

Of course that is a stupid idea, full legalization would mean the total destruction of the drug cartels. There's a reason the biggest cheerleaders for the drug war are the LE/prison guard unions, they're making a killing on this scam.
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>>28913779
The real one really did crash, no one lived. Not joking.
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>>28913844
See
>>28913784

Police use "muh drugs" as an excuse to harass people all the fucking time, at least in small towns/cities. In the more crowded places they *usually* don't have time to fuck with you. In the country, they *usually* don't have contact with you to shake you down. In the suburbs though I have seen some shit. In my hometown, the police unit got fired/rehired in its entirety because one of them tazed a baby.
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>>28913848
>they'll walk away from a multi-billion dollar industry

So are we going to have "have fun, bin the gun" boxes all through Mexico when we announce we're done fighting the war and we're going to produce our own heroin and cocaine?
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>>28908735
>Byrne grants are partially given based on "violent crimes" in the area

Cops harass everyone they can hoping some of them run or resist so they can increase their grant amounts. Any cop who claims their department does not do this is a liar.
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>>28913918
Mexico is not our responsibility. They can do whatever the motherfuck they want. If that includes using their significant cartel resources to go legit, more capitalism bro-points to them. If it includes going full on Eastern Euro and switching from drugs to human trafficking because they'd rather stay a degenerate criminal shithole, again, more power to them.

The important thing is that drug taxes will bring in plenty of revenue to build the fucking wall.
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>>28913918

dat strawman

But you can look at the ending of Prohibition here in the US and the immediate drop in violent crime as an example.
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>>28913945
The primary issue would honestly be attempting to disrupt the industry on our side of the border seeing as how they more or less can enter or leave at will. The primary problem is, again, the fact they won't walk away and as their primary market is the U.S. they would do what they could to disrupt supply to force the demand back into the black market. Again, that's if we do actually legalize/decriminalize everything. If we just say "screw it, pot is off the schedule" that still leaves the issue of the hard drugs that are still going to be scheduled substances. Honestly, at the end of the day, the whole "nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" approach still stands.

There's no clean fix to this that won't end up in a pretty substantial body count.
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>>28914009
I'm not even going to bother looking for some retard from the early 20th century making this exact same argument about prohibition, nor am I going to bother posting the statistics showing the gigantic dip in violent crime that followed its repeal. History proves you wrong, you know it proves you wrong, you're just like every other prohibitionist: you think it's the state's fucking job to compensate for your inability to stay away from people you have a personal problem with. Protip: it's not and never was.
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>>28914083
The dynamic is different, you had a product that was not illegal most other places, with a smaller profit margin, that had been legally and readily produced in the country since before it was a country fighting, primarily, their competition. Most of the criminals who didn't get killed or imprisoned then moved into, surprise surprise, drugs, after they realized that gambling just didn't produce the kind of consistency of revenue stream and was too localized, most states weren't fond of casinos and you couldn't have one every medium sized town in the U.S. without facing horrific overhead.
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>>28913746
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>>28914225
What the fuck is that?
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>>28914248
>mfw
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>>28914150
"That time we did this exact same thing you said we should do and it worked flawlessly doesn't count, it was secretly different even though they were both nationwide prohibitions of a drug that empowered criminal gangs."

I don't like living near druggies either but the fact is this: of the 5 bullets that have struck my apartment building, 4 of them were fired by police at drug users and 1 was an ND by a fat 18 year old redneck. The costs of continuing prohibition are immediate and known to us and at the same time far outweigh its purported benefits. The Iron Law of Prohibition is iron for a reason. If it didn't count for certain kinds they'd call it the "piece of shit never works law of prohibition" or something.

A simultaneous rollback of all prohibitions and significant expansion of the definition of "legal self-defense" to include "shooting anyone who has committed a felony in the last 24 hours" would literally solve all problems this country faces.
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>>28914304
I'm still asking the question, what do you do when the cartels decide not to walk away from a multi-billion dollar business?

Barring anything else about drug use or users, what about cartels that really don't mind killing anyone and are already in the country?
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>>28907007
He USED to be a spy, until . . .
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>>28914334
That's the point though, if there's legitimate avenues for them to bring their business into the sunlight they will eventually fully legalize once this shit starts having shareholders to answer to, man. Yeah, maybe it will be business as usual for a decade or so afterward but once the old guard starts passing on people are going to start looking at their lifestyles and saying "wait, so I could have this giant fucking yacht AND not be worried about SEAL team 6 murdering me in the night?"

Think about this...Wal-mart does some shady, corrupt shit. If you dig deep enough I'm sure you can find some corporate murder scandal type shit. When is the last time they straight up posted a beheading video to LiveLeak though?
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>>28914409
I strongly doubt we're going to be willing to import because of all the other regulations we're going to look at with the FDA, IRS, Farm Bureau et cetera. I mean, if we do, sure that would clean it all up, but you have to look at this from the longitudinal perspective in which the towering headless monster of bureaucracy gets involved in every step.

In a best case scenario you have certain high level cartel officers who have the business savvy and aren't just basically evolved thugs who say "Sure, we'll welcome any regulation you bring and we'll show you our books" and you can count on them probably being the best kept books in the history of book-keeping. This is sort of like the dynamic they illustrated in Sicario...get it back into the hands of cartels like Medallin who understood the idea of ordered operation. The big problem with the current narcos is they are, at the end of the day, they're really just thugs.

The bad element is going to have to be purged one way or the other, and I sort of doubt they're going to self-police without it turning into a war over who becomes the legal supplier.
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>>28913753
im not throwing him in a cage over a drugs, Im throwing him in a cage because he was whackin it in the handicap stall of a restaurant while on drugs
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>>28913784
>things that never happened
the evil piggies harassed me over a dime bag and stole my car !
grow up, and even it that were true you sound like a little bitch about the whole thing
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>>28913784
Don't commit crimes by having drugs that are illegal and you won't have a problem. You're just upset because you got caught.
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>>28914559
>preemptive move
>Im throwing him in a cage because I think he will eventually be whackin it in the handicap stall of a restaurant while on drugs

ftfy
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>>28913938
violent crimes yes. you think people who buy, sell or do drugs don't commit crimes? weed and even some hallucinogens (though those aren't used as much anymore) aren't on peoples radar now that is being de-criminalized. But, because of that, gangs drug dealers are pushing out more heroin and pills to gain back the profit. with drugs like that you have increased presence of gangs, addicts, homelessness and social poverty. and those things tend to attract crime.
Im also not that cop, I do social work
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>>28914597
easy solution, don't do hardcore drugs
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>>28914632
>2A repealed
>easy solution, don't own guns

dumbass
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>>28908735

Ahem. Hallucinogens of any kind will get you Fucked.
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>>28914597
say what you want, but ive seen too many incidents go south very fast for me to just ignore it
nobody does meth and just casually spaces out like weed. Also >>28914632
don't fucking do hard drugs kids, easy way to avoid most problems involving getting arrested
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>>28914617
>government-created black markets are dangerous

Shocking, really.

Of course this plays into police lies about the nature of the drug war: the drug market is dangerous because we made it so, therefore we need more Byrne grants to deal with it in a militarized fashion, thus making the market even more dangerous.
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>>28914658
too much weed will get you fucked too. I knew people that where huge potheads from 15 well into their mid twenties and so on and theyre lazy slobs with no self worth and still think theyre 15. Hell to much cake, or even too much exercise can be a bad thing as well, but that usually means doing it excessively for a long time
nobody just casually tries heroin or meth and turns out perfectly ok
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>>28914663

Maybe those incidents go south because the law you willfully enforce makes sure no one ever gets the treatment they need.
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>>28914692
>muh government boogeyman tries to keep the ghetto down !

yeah, nah theyre just shitty places with shitty people who do shitty things. Same as any redneck trailer park that does the exact same shit
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>>28914724
>drug problems don't exist in uppity neighborhoods

Your boss-man just tells you to ignore it because they don't bite the hand that feeds them.
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>>28906667

Protip: you junkies, stoners and coke (cock?) sniffers are the reason for the destabilization of Mexico.

You don't want to own up to this fact and your character flaws and always deflect at the government.

It's simple, once you stop doing drugs, there's no reason for the cartels or the war on drugs.
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>>28914722
you have never dealt with an addict have you? Its not as easy as youd think. Id love to just drop them off at a clinic and try to help them get clean, trust me I would. But then people would cry wolf that we lock them up against their will and that's its some clockwork orange shit. And that's not even counting on the addict themselves wanting to stay. I have helped put some people in programs that get them clean, but for every one that I do I can think of 7 that went in for a literal day and then were back out because they gave up. Somebody already posted a documentary in thread about drug addicts in MA and that's a great watch if you want. It sucks, but you have to look at it as a lesser of two evils. Its tough to wrench out sympathy for somebody with an addicts personally who willing decided to try heroin and now is a junkie. welcome to the real world, not everything is nice all the time
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>>28914785

What's your favorite brand of kneepads?
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>>28914800
lol
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>>28914740
never said they didn't, they exist everywhere. that doesn't mean I have to give a shit because somebody decided they wanted to try an addictive drug that ruins lives 100% of the fucking time . let them do it to themselves and then get locked away for it, id rather see society get some profit for them being in jail then shitting up our streets. its probably the only good they can do with their useless lives anyhow
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>>28914794
>you have never dealt with an addict have you
>the entire medical establishment believes the current law enforcement approach to drugs is asinine and counterproductive

I have sympathy for the vast majority of treatable users that police have made sure will never get better. The police have zero interest in treatment because it reduces their power and funding.
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>>28914654
that example makes no sense for this argument but thanks for trying
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>>28914839
>too stupid to see the correlation
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>>28914722
that's the same arguments dindus use when their brothers get arrested "just for robbing a liquor store"
play stupid games, win stupid prizes
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>>28914654
Hard drugs are classified differently under the law because they fuck up people's live in a unique way. Having something that is physically and emotionally habit forming makes people do things they never would. They'll keep trying to push that pleasure button until their fingers wear down to the bone or they starve to death. It's just the way it is.

Don't give me college freshman bullshit about "oh I tried coke once a couple weeks ago and I'm just fine" and don't give me edgy-seventeen-year-old libertarian arguments you have about "muh freedom to ingest whatever I want". If these laws ever get repealed (they won't) as soon as someone's daughter starts sucking dick in bathroom stalls for coke or someone's son dies of a heroin overdose, you'll start seeing the same legislation again, perhaps even harsher. These laws exist for a reason, and that reason is that about a bit less than a hundred years ago, scientists and society at large realized that when you have these substances purified and manufactured solely for their effects on the reward system in your brain, the brains of the people using them get changed forever.
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>>28914860
>robbing a store
>smoke or inject a chemical into one's own body

Totally the same thing.
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>>28914849
enlighten all of us then. We're talking about drugs and drug abusers. All he was saying was not to do hard drugs, which most people don't and therefore don't get arrested or end up dead
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>>28914800
>anon points out that your choice to consume a stupid, self indulgent drug is causing widespread death and suffering for millions of ordinary people in the third world
>lel you suck dicks

It would be easy to make a point about how self-centered and irrational drug use makes you, but I think we all get it.
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>>28914794
I live in a major east coast hub of the heroin trade. I know FUCKLOADS of addicts and even the worst addict-related situations I've dealt with have been easier to get under control than virtually any situation I've had involving police. The drug war is shit. Police training in this country is focused on escalation and disproportionate application of force. It's fundamentally unsuitable for dealing with any problem in which the person is not already engaged in violent or obviously criminal conduct. Their attitude would be perfectly fine if it was only applied to actual crimes, like robbery or murder.

The country would be a lot better off if we replaced D.A.R.E. with a class that taught kids that other human beings have rational agency and are, in fact, responsible for the consequences of their actions. The greatest damage this country suffers is from the families of degenerate addicts trying to pawn off responsibility for their family member's shit personality onto a morally neutral substance. No fagtard, it's not the meth that caused your relative to become an armed robber. Your fucking relative got up in the morning and thought to himself "it is acceptable to commit a robbery."
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>>28914866
>These laws exist for a reason

Yeah, the laws were passed by Nixon in a cynical ploy to garner political support from the "conservative majority" by having the police assault and murder hippies. Thus research into drugs passed from a scientific entity (the FDA) to a judicial entity (the DoJ), with almost unanimous opposition from the medical, pharmacological and psychiatric groups in the nation.

Note how your entire argument revolves around emotional baiting, as opposed to hard statistics. That's why scientists and doctors don't support these laws, but dumbshit cops and prison guards do.
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>>28914909
>having the police assault and murder hippies

is there something wrong with this
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>>28914880
>inject a chemical into ones body
>do this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVxxhEvmJA
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa3e9074xtM
>IM NOT HURTIN ANYONE ITS MY BODY
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>>28914927
Beating up old women and running down 11 year olds are already (and rightfully) illegal. Like most prohibitionists you believe that inanimate objects have magical powers to control the mind. I'm guessing your guns murder people a lot when you're not around, right?
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>>28914835
their are some groups of us that are supporting better treatment for addicts rather thenn just arresting them, but youre a fucking idiot of you think its as simple "we're the only ones that ruined their lives"
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>>28914917

Yes.

Read about the early history of the drug war when DEA and their local hanger-ons had carte blanche over the entire effort, it's horrifying stuff for anyone who cares about due process or 2A rights.

But hey obviously cops don't care about either.
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>>28914909
In all seriousness though, some doctors and scientists do oppose "The War on Drugs", as in: the prohibition of marijuana and the criminalization of the use of drugs in favor of (MANDATORY) treatment rather than imprisonment...

...But you are either stupid or full of shit if you think there are any significant numbers of doctors or researchers who support fully decriminalizing heroin, cocaine, or amphetamine use, production, and sale.
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>>28914953
>rather thenn just arresting them

And yet, you're still a cop who arrests them and subjects them to the horror of the legal system.

Hypocrite.
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>>28914951
Youre throwing an awful lot of implications around pal. You honestly think that drugs don't have a big part in a criminal's logic and thinking?
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>>28914970

Nice try. The medical establishment favors treatment, and the central platform of the war on drugs is the rejection of treatment in favor of legal punishment.
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>>28914978
Ii am what am I I guess. I try to help the addicts when I can but I have the real world experience to know that it doesn't always work and you have to make a judgment call, at least for the time being of that particular indecent.
you should be able to understand that to some degree
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>>28914951
>you believe that inanimate objects have magical powers to control the mind

Yes. Psychoactive substances change your perception of reality. Habit forming substances cause you to act irrationally in order to keep ingesting them. Depressants like opiates and alcohol slow reaction time, inhibition, and dexterity control. So yes, these substances cause you to act differently when you are "UNDER THEIR INFLUENCE".

Are you fucking stupid?
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>>28914891

Then make the point. You can also explain how its the drug users who shoulder the blame for the privations caused by the drug war, as opposed to the people who implemented the drug war as well as the stupid assholes who persecute it.
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>>28914995
>wasting my tax payer dollars to clean up some junkie who willingly ruined themselves
id rather them die to be honest. the only ones I can see deserving of that are the people who are injured in an accident, get on some type of medication, and then are told to quit cold turkey. Aside from that theres about a hundred things id rather my taxes go to before I go clean up danny drug addict who thought he'd be the first person to smoke meth and be ok
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>>28914995
Yes. They favor incarceration within treatment centers rather than mainstream prisons for users, and criminal punishments for dealers and manufacturers. No one legitimate wants to decriminalize traffic and use fully.

You are literally too stupid to argue with. Are you one of these Sovereign Citizen clowns too?
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>>28915006
>only cops have real world experience dealing with drug users
>there are no medical professionals here

I love the hubris of drug warrior cops, that shit is top notch comedy.
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>>28915041
>You can also explain how its the drug users who shoulder the blame for the privations caused by the drug war

because you're happily giving money to murderous gangsters who are destroying an entire country because their highly addictive product makes you feel good and forget what a loser you are.

You're literally scum.
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>>28915044
>wasting my tax payer dollars to lock up some junkie and pay the cop who then bloviates about how he is saving society when he has done nothing of the sort
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>>28914951
Im not a prohibitionist, but when you take something that can alter your personality to an often violent extent I have to make a choice to either ignore it and MAYBE nothing happens or MAYBE this guy decides to attack somebody over their wallet with a dirty syringe 2o minutes after I decided to leave it alone. Id do the same for a drunk, hell id do the same for a sketchy looking person waiting on in the parking lot. At the very least go talk to him and see whats up. Im not ruining their lives anymore then they've ruined their own, im just trying to keep the collateral to a minimum. Id rather arrest another addict and sort that out later then tell somebody dad get stabbed by a tweaker and isn't coming home tonight
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>>28915049
>They favor incarceration

No, they don't.

>criminal punishments for dealers and manufacturers

Medical societies don't opine on that, it is out of their scope. Unlike cops, who have no problem blabbering about stuff which they know nothing about.
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>>28915092
>I have never lived anywhere but a safe suburb: the post

you're right, we don't need cops guys, drugs are harmless man, everybody just needs to stop stressin and no one will ever get hurt or be mean :^)
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>>28915059
I never said any of that, but ok. Im just letting you know I have some personal experience in these maters that I use as insight. Im sure plenty of you are just as experienced if not more than I am
funny enough every time I point out the words you put in my mouth you don't argue it, you just jump on to the next perceived insult
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>>28915086
>if only people will completely and unquestioningly obey the government, no matter how stupid their laws are, all the world's problems with go away

So really, what brand kneepads do you favor?
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>>28914927
It's not hurting anyone and the individual will go down for assault / battery charges.
/k/ is always so against hampering "law abiding" citizens rights because of a few bad apples. This is literally the same thing. A few druggies fuck up and punishing them for their crimes isn't enough you need to ban g̶u̶n̶s̶ drugs to prevent it from ever happening again.
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>>28915116
I'm not a cop. And yes, even the "Portugal" model of drug treatment is defined by incarceration of hard drug users within low-security treatment centers so they can get well.

You're either spectacularly ill-informed, high out of your mind, or trolling.
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>>28915092
>Posting drake memes
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>>28915142
see
>>28914891

nice edgy one-liner though, Marco Roboto
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>>28915148
>Portugal has a voluntary program
>incarceration

topkek
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>>28915092
so then with all that kindness in your heart and money in your wallet, why do you get off your computer and go volunteer at a center or give it to a support group, maybe even become a member and help sponsor a recovering drug addict

or you can keep having your internet debates on a thread that will be deleted soon, from the comfort of your chair in your house in the suburbs
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>>28915174
>implying I haven't

It's very easy to do more than a cop in helping society, since their contribution is a net negative.
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>>28915144
>I should be able to do meth
go ahead, nobody is stopping you, but when you do and you fuck yourself up at best or fuck somebody else up at worst don't go crying about government corruption and how we should pay for your hospital stay. Im all for the war on drug being stopped, but im not enabling anyone who does them, just like you don't enable the drunk bastard outside the liquor store
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>>28915120
EMT here. just no
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>>28915182
I be you have and youve saved hundred of lives within a single week !
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>>28915182
>>28915174
I'm sure being vice-president of State U's local SSDP chapter and active in the Psychology Club takes up enough of his time, anon. Don't be cruel.
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>>28915144
no one just 'casually' uses heroin. that shit steals people's souls
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>>28915182
sure buddy
sure
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>>28915207
>cops
>save lives
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>>28915212
>>28915104
>>28915086
>>28915049
>>28915010
>>28914866
These people are 25+ and have actually seen the long term effects of heroin.

>>28914909
>>28915144
Full of shit and 16-19 years old.
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>>28915010
>Hurr the drugs MADE them do it

Confirmed for zero firsthand experience with drugs. Violent tweakers are the type of folk who will stab you without the meth involved, my man. You know at least one person who uses amphetamine salts to treat "ADHD" without issue, guaranteed. Shit people are shit people, substance or not.
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>>28914584
kill yourself bud.
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>>28915252

Radley Balko's "Rise of the Warrior Cop" details the initial days of the drug war and describes the taped conversations between Nixon and his aides coming up with the legislation.

You want chapters 4 and 5.
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>>28914334
You're fucktarded
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>>28915241
never said I did, never said I didn't. I just do my job
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They're trying to build a prison!
They're trying to build a prison!
They're trying to build a prison!
FOR YOU AND ME TO LIVE IN!
Another prison system!
Another prison system!
Another prison system!
FOR YOU AND ME!
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>>28915305
the funny thing is, nobody including myself disagrees that the action done starting and during the war on drugs was completely cool. But hey, we're dealing with drug addicts here. its like dealing with animals
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>>28915367
>implying cops aren't the animals

oink oink
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>>28915392
you seem upset
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>>28915366
CAUSE YOOOUUUUU

THE TAPEWORM TELLS ME WHAT TO DO

YOUUUUUUUUU

MY TAPEWORM TELLS ME WHERE TO GO

PULL THE TAPEWORM OUT OF YOUR ASS

PULL THE TAPEWORM OUT OF YOUR ASS

PULL THE TAPEWORM OUT OF YOUR ASS

PULL THE TAPEWORM OUT OF YOUR ASS

PULL THE TAPEWORM out of me
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>>28915392
ACAB
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>>28915256
how do you think thy became the violent tweakers in the first place then?
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>>28903178
>tfw C.I.A. and DEA will never have a way of the gun buddy movie.
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>>28915256
Im gonna have to call pot and kettle on that one
you admit that some drug addicts can become violent, so whats the problem with saying we should keep those same people away from the rest of society? The person with ADHD isn't going to cut my throat for his next fix.
This whole thread is people saying we should help drug addicts, they government doesn't help them correctly, the cops are too mean to them but nobody is denying that a drug addict can often be violent and delusional, which is dangerous
you expect me to milk out sympathy fir these people? I feel bad for them and hope they get help but I don't feel them getting arrested so they don't hurt the rest of us is a problem either. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes while alienating your loved ones and ruining your body
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>>28902808
They needed an FBI attache to operate on domestic soil, not any LEO
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>>28915508
They were broken human beings and substance abuse just added to their downward spiral?

I'm not that guy, but you're never going to have a successful drug policy if you don't understand how this works.

The amphetamine salts that every eighth grader with a short attention span gets prescribed are functionally the same thing as methamphetamine.

The vicodin that everyone gets for their wisdom teeth does the exact same thing as heroin.

Drug addiction is all about the person that gets addicted.
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>>28915603
>They were broken human beings
You are aware that some people can and do make their own decisions while of sound mind that are terrible choices and they need to be held accountable for it right?
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>>28915638
They do.

As a matter of fact, addicts that commit violent crimes tend to go to jail.

The real issue being that we treat a medical condition with our criminal justice system.

That will not have the desired effect of reducing drug addiction, or violent crime.

You can make passive aggressive replies to this, but we both know it's true.
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>>28915603
yes it is about the person. I know two people who eventually became drug addicts and both of them came from normal to slightly slower class homes with caring families. they were the first ones to drink and smoke pot, they did it long after everyone grew out of doing it all the time and then they got bored and moved on to worse things. It was so cliché like those pamphlets they gave you in health class about weed being a getaway drug it was almost laughable. Both of them have younger or older siblings who didn't go down that both and are normal, and both of them have pretty much destroyed their families because of this. People need to be accountable for their own actions
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>>28915670
>cancer is a medical condition
>heart disease is a medical condition
>cerebral palsy is a medical condition
>you shooting up into your own veins and ruining what is a perfectly healthy body is being an asshole
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>>28915670
>thinking drug addiction is a disease
>thinking you can ever reduce drug addiction violent crime
go on son, your sociology 101 teacher is waiting to tell you how the world works
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>>28915712
Well, medicine can cure it.

If you just write a prescription for addiction maintenance, smackheads can live about as normally as a diabetic.

The Dutch do it right now. As it turns out, without adulterants, dirty needles or inconsistent dosing, the only real side effect of heroin is constipation.
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>>28914866
>using muh chillens as an argument against something
>on /k/
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>>28915757
>medicine can cure it.
you mean like narcan? Because that's been working so fucking well
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>>28915565
Most meth heads won't actually cut your throat for a fix either. The ones that will are INHERENTLY violent, not because they take drugs. Has it really never occurred to you for a single second that fucked up people are attracted to things that society deems fucked up?

The "drugs make you go crazy and kill people" meme is the biggest propaganda victory in human history. It's simply not true.
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>>28915729

but it is, according to DSM-IV

that's a medical reference for you bootlickers
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>>28915757
>lets enable them to keep doing heroin, never get their shit together and we get to pay for it
I thought you wanted to "cure it" ?
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>>28915786
And according to the DSM IV, being a tranny is NOT a mental illness even though it objectively meets all criteria right down to causing the patient distress. It's not exactly a credible, scientifically rigorous document, it's chock full of "muh feels."
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>>28915757
>the only real side effect of heroin is constipation.
reminds me of when I was on pain meds after surgery. Couldn't shit for days. Still one of my favorite weeks in memory though. Vicodin and STALKER? Shit was great.
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>>28915786
ill bet you think the fat ass shoveling food into themselves is just sick as well, huh? why stop their? What about the next dipshit that breaks his legs doing stupid you tube stunt? Its not his fault he chose to do that
do yourself a favor and look at the narcan controversy . Im all for ending the war on drugs but not for enabling these pieces of shit to keep on being pieces of shit
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>>28915819

The ICD also agrees, so if you think you can do better than the two common peer-reviewed medical gudebooks of the nation, go right ahead.

>inb4 doctors don't know shit and cops are the real solution to drug abuse
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>>28915766

All this hard drug bullshit is like supporting the MG ban.
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>>28915819
Are you retarded? Both the DSM IV and DSM V list classify it as a mental illness if it causes distress.
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>>28915766
You lack the maturity and perspective to understand my argument here.

I'm saying that such drug laws are inevitable because they ruin young people's lives, and parents and society at large don't like seeing Becky pull tricks for smack or Michael dying in a train station men's room with a needle up his arm.
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>>28915929
Huh. I stand corrected. Last time I looked at it they were still writing it and talking about cutting that out. Drug addiction still isn't a disease though, idgaf what a bunch of turd burglars in Washington say.
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>>28915944
>Becky
>Michael

So, muh chillens it is.
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>>28915944
>I'm saying such more gun laws are inevitable because they ruin young people's lives, and parents and society at large don't like seeing their kids die in yet another school shooting or get shot because their friend's parents left a gun out.
>>>/out/
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>>28913746
Is CIA /operator/?
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>>28914866
society never had problems with drugs until they made them illegal. the laws against opium dens was because they didnt want good upstanding white folks mixing with the filthy subhuman lesser races, and marijuana because hearst and his buddies the DuPonts, who were inbred perverts that were so fucked up to this day, that they could turn a japaneses stomach didnt want it to interfere with their bottom lines,. that being the synthentic fabrics and chemicals in the DuPont family's case, and wood pulp from Hearsts millions of acres of timber tracts and various paper interests in hearsts case.

follow the money, government never does something for "The Greater Good" unless its making their benefactors or themselves richer somewhere along the line.
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>>28916010
Not one single article of clothing is correct.I feel like this is some kind of bait or I failed the autism test. Probably both.
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>>28915310
>intellectual bankruptcy: the post
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>>28916078
It's a joke, lighten up
>>
I love how all the guys saying "end the war on drugs" think that by the USA ending their particular war on drugs that it would change the entire ecosystem in all countries like America is the only end user of drugs made in some bush hovel in Guatemala or Afghan Kush.

The cartels arent just going to stop making drugs because the US has regulated their use, the same way the legal deug industry hasn't stopped an edless supply of counterfeit drugs.
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>>28919073
Is it our problem if Europeans want dope?

The point would be to limit the damage to our own country.
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>>28908474
> I suck government dick : the post
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>>28919407
>I defend junkies
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>>28902808
I wanted that bitch and her pet nigger to die so fucking bad.
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