If you don't hold your AR15 with a C clamp, you're not optimizing performance. You obviously don't know what you are doing
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So is c clamp the new 'trigger discipline' meme that people use to act like they know what they are doing with a gun? If so good because I was getting tired of hearing td this and 'look at that lack of td' and shit.
I got one of those, am I tactical enough?
Except TD is important as fuck m8, it's not a meme its a safety measure that should be implemented by all gun owners. The Clamp shit, the stance, thats all preferences and meming
TD isn't a meme, people who post about TD in every piece of fiction are memes.
Its OK to point out TD to someone handling a real gun or as part of feedback to a video game that's trying to be realistic etc.
Tfw mgs5 has like supper td
Tried it. Didn't like it. Sticking with the traditional way.
Get on my level, fag
>not hitting your intended target
Shot placement is key
I'll let his argument and reasoning stand on its own. but putting "US marine" into the title as a form of appeal to authority really does nothing for me. IF theres a place thats stuffed with "fuddlore" and blind dogmas then it is the military. Depending on where/when they were taught and by whom then i get all kinds of ideas from soldiers(inb4 muhren) on how to do the job. So it really makes no sense to make a title like that unless its made to appeal to COD kids or people with no experience in the military.
Im not insulting marines in particular, im not even american so there were never any grapes to be reached for in the first place. But ive been taught how to shoot 4 different ways by the instructors in my countrys forces and i have likewise heard enough stories of weird shit in the marines for me to think that simply being a marine makes you an inherent authority on shooting matters. Surely you can agree with this.
are you the guy posting target shooting posts and making threads about it the last few days?
feels like you are the new Brony
Im Aware, but is that not more like stationary sitting/kneeling stuff on 100-500 meters? In the vid its room clearing/IPSC stuff. that goes a bit above fundamental marksmanship skills. What he says makes sense though. its more the titles appeal to authority thats kinda weak.
>are you the guy posting target shooting posts and making threads about it the last few days?
no, but all kidding aside I think the gun community needs to return to a greater focus on marksmanship and step away from this silly tactical focus when it comes to shooting.
>Won't make a difference unless you're using full auto
I use C-Clamp on the final stage ot PWT3 qualification course and always get all my bursts on full auto on target with max points.
Source: Canadian Forces Soldier
>They're usually the same thing.
>Better grip = faster follow up shots.
no they are not.
There has been this trend to use the latest and greatest technique, gun fighting strategy, tactical equipment. People are being distracted by all this crap instead of nailing down the fundamentals. people will switch to practical shooting before they have mastered trigger control etc.
That is funny way to spell AK-74.
What is use of c clamp? Why do I need one of those? I do not need to attach gun to table to shoot straight!
That's a non-argument.
C-clamp is objectively the best way to shoot <100m standing with an autoloading rifle, defensively, in 99% of realistic situations. Whether or not someone learns trigger control first has no bearing on the effectiveness of c-clamp vs obsolete traditional rifle stances.
>the "I will be able to incapacitate every target without follow up shots or having to move quickly between targets" mindset
All reputable defensive shooting instructors advocate c-clamp, thumb over bore, or thumb break.
Mag grip is 10 time more practical
and more widely use by real operator
Source: Your ass. Do you understand how physics works? The closer you can safely grip to the muzzle, the greater control you have over the rifle, both in recoil and in moving it between targets.
>Do you understand how physics works?
said the man who defend C clamp
the futher your hand to you body, the greater the gravity force on you arm
muzzle control can be over come with a good brake and pratice
>the greater the gravity force on your arm
Well, no, gravity on Earth is a constant. I'll assume you're talking about leverage. What situation would you be shooting standing for so long that your arm would get tired, in real life?
>muzzle control can be over come with a good brake and practice
Time and time again, ToB/c-clamp have been demonstrated to mitigate recoil better, but even if we assume that there is literally zero recoil, c-clamp still wins for moving between multiple targets.
>What situation would you be shooting standing for so long that your arm would get tired, in real life?
4-5 30 rounder mag, not dumping, burst fire, like every gun fire after Kalashnikov, like clearing house to house in Grozny
>c-clamp still wins for moving between multiple targets.
you can turn you body faster with you arm and leg close to your body, not extend them out, that is simple physic
but moving between target defend on your skill, situation awareness, not just swing your gun faster
I find that i don't shoot as accurate if I use that.
I prefer to hold at the end of the handguard with thumb over bore. Not the rediculous c clamp thing where your arm is shooting straight out to the side
im guessing in a 3 gun situation it would work just fine. i also tried it (when the range was empty of course), and i felt like a humongous faggot meming IRL. like those faggots that pull the pistol up to their chest all goofy.
Faster spinning, sure. But not faster stopping on target. You've really never watched a video on c-clamp? Like, literally?
>a couple hours straight
When would you ever hold your gun up on target for two hours, standing?
>barely tangentially related to c-clamp
Pick both. A true HSLD faggot would insist on a kydex open-top holster because it's more efficient for everything but vehicle-mounted carry while wearing armor/etc.
ToB and Rolled Up Pants (RuP) for maximum preromance, reporting in
>swivel those heads and assess the shooting range
Jesus that fuckin annoys me. It's always super exaggerated too. If you're going to scan then scan. Don't make it look like you're having a damn seizure that is oddly only affecting your head and neck. Do it too fast and you'll miss things, do it fast enough and you might as well just be wasting energy.
Looks like he's about to melt the fuck out of his hand
Tob is most efficient way to shoot, and that's just physics. It's like boxing - how long has it been since someone figured out the best way to punch? When you hit the spot when limiting factors are human physiology and physics and not technique, your technique is going to stay the same as long as the former two stay constant.
That said, it's not the best tool for all jobs, it tires you faster than, say, magwell grip, so you don't use it if you have to hold a corner for 5 minutes.
It was meant, from its inception, as a way to rapidly transition between targets in CQB. That's it. Anyone thinking it has any more practical application beyond that has been drinking the ancient Magpul training DVD koolaid.
how about you just put your goddamn hand on the goddamn grip, it was made for a reason, fucking use it
>pic of 5th Separate Guards Order of Kutuzov Order of Alexander Nevsky Special Purpose Regiment of Airborne troops
> pictures of airsoft to proof a point
How the fuck can't retards like you see the difference between a lean and the marksman stance? It's not that hard.
>assuming the most cuck pose with your wide boi-hips possible for firing a firearm in the most controlled of conditions
I never thought I'd see the day when guns could be uncool