>>28892208 You must be fucking shitting me. I'm all about putting whatever you want on your gun, but why the fuck would you WANT to do that? Was there someone out there who just really hates having .22, so he designed that to waste it all?
>>28892198 someone held a competition for the worlds most unergonomic handgun and Zipgun™ managed to win by making one with no grip that can shoot you through the hand when cocked (that thing over the barrel)
>>28892230 Oh fuck this is even better. That's not some one off thing one of us cooked up in a vodka and cosmoline fueled fit of madness? An actual company designed this and approved it for commercial sale?
>>28892265 I swear I have seen the same zipgun in my LGS for sale 10 different times for 150 bucks. The people that buy it keep trading/selling it back. The gunstore has probably made 2 grand off of that piece of shit.
>>28892115 >jam-o-matic >Magazines can crack and break easily >Burst function tends to fail and has an uncontrollable full auto fire >Sprays oil into your eyes >Can bliw up on your hands or near your face >Made by Poo in Loos >Practiced in a Designated Shitting Range >Isn't replaced (And the upgraded variants are no different than the original) due to "muh heritage" or "muh price cost". Seriously, how can Indians fuck up so badly on an AKM variant
>>28892393 >FNC >Not an AK variant > has similar gas piston and same action of an AKM >Not an AK variant >Is based primarily on the AKM >Not an AK variant The few things that are nonAK is the FAL gas regulator and the charging handle of the HK33, with AUG inspired mags
>>28892115 Lots, the Zip-22, most of the Tec-9, The Colt Lightning, basically every Saturday Night Special, Röhm revolvers, and then the INSAS which might be the worst weapon ever fielded by a any armed forces in the 20th century and beyond.
The Calico isn't excellent, but it works for plinking provided you understand how the mags are used.
>>28892324 Not an issue, if you've handled one you'd know that it manages (amazingly) to retain it's zero between magazine changes, the sights work for the kind of weapon it is, a light pistol-caliber weapon used at 50-200max yds, it does this fine, it's in fact fairly accurate, it uses the same kind of roller-delayed action like the MP5.
I will say, however, that I would rather have placed the mag under the barrel like on a Bizon, and then have the ejection on the right side.
The Calico is a good weapon conceptually, and so-so in execution, I feel they make great plinkers, I wouldn't rely on one.
>>28892344 Do you have personal experience with any Calico 9mm or are you just repeating what you've seen in a YouTube video?
Had the carbine version I found beat up original at a pawn shop, fixed it up and got a new magazine for it (it was missing and so extra cheap) also got the rail to mount a day glow green laser, it was a super fun hole puncher at the range, accurate and after I took a diamond file to the rough trigger group parts it had a smooth 6 and a half pound triggerpull. ended up selling it to a friend of mine, kind of miss it but I wanted a calico pistol more then the carbine.
I have a 2a1 enfield made by those indians and it is a fantastic rifle, all the fun of a enfield mk3 but in glorious 7,62 nato, Also the magazine is weird in that it is made for 10 rounds but fits 12 without a problem (besides possible spring fatique if you left it loaded)
>>28893793 >inexplicably made out of titanium, driving up cost to $1000, meaning no average indian could hope to afford it, defeating the purpose of the gun >shit QC and construction, supposedly breaks at the hinges >shoots .32S&W because MUH GUN CONTROL >named after that poor woman who was raped to death with an iron bar, presumably as some sort of bitterly ironic way of shitting on her memory
>>28897889 Lots of people have no problems with theirs.
I can find more people on YouTube who shoot their Calico and have little or no problems, than that one fagboy who got a lemon, cried about it, and doesn't want to take any steps to remedy his situation.
>>28897947 >>28898166 The Chauchat wasn't excellent, but it was really only the .30-06 American version that was an atrocity, the ones in 8mm Lebel sort of did an ok job if you could be arsed to deal with it.
>>28898071 I don't remember what ammo he used, but he either didn't wind the spring enough, or he overwound it and damage it.
>>28898231 With steel barrel/chamber inserts, that could work pretty decently for a 3D print
>>28898361 That's all I know about it, really. You can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCZfIwuS4JM That it apparently doesn't require metal barrel inserts, but if you don't use them I imagine you're going to need to replace the cylinder after some shots.
Uses elastic bands for the springs...
iirc the people who make it look at it kinda like the liberator pistol from the 40's - better than nothing, and "muh freedom". I think it's pretty cool. You could easily make one without adding in the legally amount of detectable metal, but that would be illegal. I don't think the roofing tack is going to set off any detectors...
>>28898253 it wasn't a problem with the mag. it was a problem with him being a fucking moron. >I bought a brand new gun and didn't clean the factory gunk out of it and it didn't work???? WORST GUN EVERRRRR
He gets a gun, has a problem, and instead of trying to do something about his problem, taking any steps at all, he just fucking cries about it on YouTube and act like it's Calico's fault he has no problem solving skills.
>>28901923 >t-the excalibur will fix everything >it was tested and found superior to the AR >n-no you can't see the test results it's secret! >india will be the next super power, we will go to the moon!
They're not amazing, but they're also not dogshit.
The magazines are a bit finicky, and some people never understand that you have to wind the spring mechanism correctly or it'll fail to feed. If you wind them the correct amount of times, they should typically feed fine.
It has a roller-delayed blowback action like an MP5, which lends itself well to accuracy and keeps recoil light.
That said, this isn't a weapon you should try to rely on, they could probably work in an emergency, but if in an emergency, I had to pick between a H&K SP89 pistol or a Calico M950 pistol, I'd err on the side of caution and use the SP89 because the magazines are less testy
>>28903451 Basically, the body of the gun is way too light, and one of the heaviest elements of the gun is the bolt, when the gun cycles, most of the weapon's weight shifts in your hand and it's very difficult to keep the gun on target in rapid fire or full-auto, the recoil has been described as stiff and unpleasant, even in 9mm
If you want one as a collectible, go for it, but keep in mind you're looking at a neutered gun which is very expensive, and if you want to make it look as close as possible to the real deal, you will basically have to pay a specialist company lots of money to source parts and cut up and reweld the plastic receiver to the original parts.
This isn't something you can really do yourself either, welding plastic requires a specialist with specialist tools, and the replacement parts isn't necessarily something you can pick up everywhere.
I'd personally just settle for a gas operated airsoft replica, it costs a fraction and you won't get that snappy recoil shaking through your shoulder with every shot. The weight and handling will feel very similar.
H&K devised the UMP series as a budget alternative to the MP5, and while it's cheaper, a lot cheaper, very few departments and units have actually purchased them, because it's better to just spend more money on an MP5 which is a thousand times better
>>28903540 Basically, the USC comes with a fixed thumbhole stock, they'll have to cut off the stock, it's bracket and the grip, then go get "demilled" parts to reweld onto the gun, then they have to get a replacement magwell because the regular magazines don't fit, remember that this thing was put out during the AWB, then they'll have to refinish it because the plastic will be mismatched, and finally, you'll probably end up wanting to get an SBR stamp for it because otherwise it'll look silly.
You're looking at maybe 2000-4000 usd to get this done.
There's a clone of it coming out, the LWRC SMG-45, which is made out of aluminum and probably handles better from not being way too light. If you want a weapon that's like the UMP but more practical, check that out.
>>28903680 so I just read about this thing and it's just fucking making me laugh >stripper clips, only 20 rounds, cause fuck lmg capacity >closed bolt and shitty cooling so it just fucking cooked off rounds all the time >oil and dirt, good plan >shit accuracy >ak style violent blowback holy fuck this thing is bad, jesus christ.
>>28903540 >welding plastic requires a specialist with specialist tools, Say what you want about the UMP or any other gun, but you are a fucktard. All it takes is a dollar store pressurized lighter, a steady hand, and literally any piece of metal.
>>28903342 I think the judge doesn't meet the criteria of being a worst gun ever because you can just load it with .45 LC and have a decent, though low-capacity revolver. The downsides of the judge don't make it a bad gun, just an impractical, overhyped one.
>>28904212 Right...it's not exactly a glowing review to say that in the best case scenario, it's mediocre. Is it a GOOD gun? Well, it's hard to come up with a theoretical situation where a .410 handgun would be the #1 choice... But is it on par with a chauchat? No way.
Oh yeah, speaking of Fascist Italy, I remembered this:
>“The Carcano’s problem wasn’t in it’s design, but in the specifics of ammunition manufacture. Italian manufacturers made those 6.5x52 cartridges in a variety of powder loads and ah, levels of quality control. These hugely diverse rounds were then all mixed up together in depots and jammed willy-nilly into stripper clips, meaning that the poor Italian rifleman could never count on his ammo doing the same thing twice.”
Not so much a bad weapon, as it's shit procedure. It's like the M16, it wasn't bad at all, the ammo and mags was just dogshit
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