Why does everyone give our Vets so much shit?

>>28891020
>>Why does everyone give our Vets so much shit?
because they end up being PTSD assholes and i suddenly can't light fireworks around them at 3am

>>28891020
I dont really care what people think of me or guys i served with, i met both the most intelligent and retarded guys i have ever encountered in the infantry even if most people wouldnt believe that.

I know what i did and what kind of person i am in extreme circumstances, had the honor of killing enemy in combat, suffered losing friends, and i understand if no one gives one solitary shit about any of it, why should they?

its my personal stuff and i make a point to not bring it up in social situations unless asked and even then i keep it brief. war stories for attention and/or sympathy is faggotry of the highest order.

But unfortunately this isnt weapons related. You wanna talk about guns or knives?

>>28891066
That does suck. I know there are plenty of vets are assholes, but a lot of them, especially the ones I know are some of the best people. Like any other group there are good people and bad people in it. I think the job is becoming thankless though, because I've heard so many people say they go out there and deserve what they get for being stupid.

>>28891020
>Their sacrifices aren't in vain

Objectively untrue for every conflict the US involved itself in since and including Vietnam.

>>28891079
I'm saving up for a rifle and am looking to get an AR15 for my first gun. Is that a solid pick or is there something better to go with for a start?

>>28891153
When the bullets start flying the politics go out the window. We may have weak reasons for being in those countries, but the ones our vets shoot are some pretty bad people. For that I don't believe the notion that our troops aren't making a difference

>>28891157
A popular first gun is a 10/22, so you can practice rather cheaply. But an ar15 is a fine first gun. Get whatever makes you happy.

>>28891178
>but the ones our vets shoot are some pretty bad people
>defending their homes against American invasion
>bad people

By definition they are better people than the welfare queens ever could be

>When the bullets start flying the politics go out the window

muh Fuhrerprinzip...

>>28891020
Because for every one 'war hero' there are a dozen scammers and shitheads with 80+% disability because they tripped on a rock while stateside. Or the faggot POGs who flash their military ID all over the place and talk down to you if you never served.

>>28891184
10/22 is a pretty gun, but I'm looking for a semi auto with Mag reloads, like an M4 or an AK. What guns do you have?

>>28891195
Yeah like the Middle East clearly had it's shit together. Like the Middle East will ever have it's shit together. I think us being over there is destabilizing the place, and our politicians are retarded, but you can't say we're over there because the place was just fucking dandy before we got there.
>>28891198
Like I said, there's good ones and bad ones.

>>28891199
Me personally? 2 ar15 (technically 1, but the rest of the parts for the 2nd are in the mail, so I count it.) Yugo mauser, Remington 870, and a ruger 10/22.

>>28891221

The area was a fuckload dandier before the US government dropped ISIS in their laps.

>>28891020

Jealousy.

>>28891232
lol everyone on /k/ has a Remington 870. I won't lie it's a such a pretty gun desu. I'm thinking for my rifle I'll get an AR15 and get a Glock 19 for my sidearm because that's a gun I have experience with. Plus if Seals are starting to use it now it must be a pretty decent gun

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>>28891253
>people with healthy knees and better paying jobs are jealous of PTSD-ridden paupers

This is what milfags actually believe.

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>>28891198
>talk down to you if you never served.
Reminds me of one of my teachers back in highschool. Was an airforce MP, entire time spent in Germany.
>if you didn't serve this country like i did, you don't have the right to sit during the pledge

>>28891248
thanks obama

I support the individual soldiers that serve. Our young men and women do not deserve to die for imperial greed and zionist shilling. I despise the United States military (and the United states in general desu) literally the only thing America has going for it is it's "lax" gun laws. Except our guns laws are fucking stupid and still restrictive as shit

>>28891278

Daily reminder that veterans have no right to gripe about politicians since they consciously volunteered to follow orders from politicians without question.

>>28891178
>our imperialist invaders are better than the people attempting to defend their homes

>>28891260
Yah, I'm thinking of selling the remington 870 and getting a mossberg 500. I got it before I heard about the qc issues. I'm not sure if I got a bad one, but every month I perform maintenance on my guns, whether I used them that month or not, and every month the remington is the only one that ever has rust. Don't get me wrong, it's an alright gun, it just gets annoying having to get the rust spots off every month.

>>28891260
Also, your other choices are fine guns. I don't own a glock 19 (yet) but I've shot my friends numerous times, and it will probably be my next purchase unless something else catches my eye.

>>28891298
Beter dead then red you communist faggot.

>>28891298
>attempting to defend their homes
ok anon, keep listening to NPR

>>28891325
Lmfao. I doubt you know the first fucking thing about communism.
>inb4 soviets or norks
>inb4 American propaganda
Read the manifesto and capital before you speak about communism

>>28891298
I think you forget the shit loads of innocent people that we're being murdered before we got there. Sadhaam amongst other dictators was a total asshole. I believe our intervention caused more harm then good, but if we take out a terrorist here and there while we're there, then that's worth something. Paris wouldn't have happened if that part of the world really only stood for being left alone like you seem to believe.
>>28891300
Is the AR easy to do maintanence on. Like I said I've never owned a gun. I'm 18 and currently broke as shit cause my car broke, and I need a new one. I hear cleaning guns can be pretty relaxing though

>>28891327
>the US didn't invade Iraq, Saddam invited the US army in

Full story on American Heroes Channel.

>>28891337

Don't forget Saddam did the most killing in the 80's under the auspices of the US and France.

>>28891337
Yes, it is easy to do maintenance on, and yes, it is relaxing. (at least for me) Think about it this way, if the people on /k/ can do weapons maintenance, pretty much anyone can, and if you have trouble, there is always youtube, and google, and /k/.

>>28891320
I was also thinking longterm saving up and getting some kickass ACOG optics for the AR, and a grip. Might as well go full operator. Or is there better optics to go for that you know of? Price not being a factor of course

>>28891337
>but if we take out a terrorist here and there while we're there

Meanwhile the invasion created thousands of new fanatics all over the world, good job.

>>28891337
Ah yes, the terrorists that the United States armed and trained and the terrorists that are trained and motivated due to our continued involvement in the region. Very worth it if we kill a few of the militants that we create!

>>28891383
As far as I'm aware, the ACOG is the end all be all for ar optics, but I could be wrong. If you haven't already, check out /arg/, they may seem like retards, but I'm pretty sure it's an act, there's no way people that stupid could make it this far in life.

>>28891386
>>28891384
Yes our politicians are retarded. What do you suggest? Nobody join the military and just have the military cease to exist? Then what? Don't get me wrong when Russia comes I'll be right out there Red Dawning it with yall. But then we just end up like the Iraqis and the cycle continues

>>28891408
That's kind of how I feel about 4chan in general. A lot of the people here are fairly intelligent (At least compared to the people I'm around everyday. In a liberal college in a liberal state). I think the reason a lot of 4channers aren't successful isn't lack of intelligence, but that they are complete autists in other regards

>>28891417
>blames politicians
>people who stupidly volunteer to kill people on direct order from said politicians for bad paychecks and bennies are blameless

Also there's something called selective service, you stupid fuck.

>>28891435
Ok then they draft you, and it still remains thankless. So what do you suggest? What are your solutions?

>>28891442
Dodge the draft and watch the corrupt empire fall

>>28891336
>muh truuu cumunisum
I'll look at mao, or the Khmer rouge then. They did a much better job at it I guess.

>>28891456
Fair enough. That would be beautiful in theory. But then where do you go? Canada? Who also has a military directed by shithead politicians who throw them into all the same bullshit wars that we're in

>>28891458
to be fair "true" communism isn't a bad thing

the issue is that human nature has prevailed in every attempt thus far, making it the world's biggest failed social experiment

>>28891442
>defending one's home from invasion is morally equivalent to invading someone's else's home so some asshat politician can make a killing on the lecture circuit

If the US actually got invaded, people who resist will get thanked.

Instead of crying about people who correctly call out the criminality of the US military's contemporary actions and the idiocy of the dumbshits who serve politicians, maybe you should like, you know, stop defending stupidity.

>>28891458
Mao was great until the mid 50s. You seem to think that fascist states that disguise themselves under the veil of communism are actually communist. I understand you haven't read any theory and are only familiar with such classics as Wealth of Nations but please tell me how they were communist :^)

>>28891433
Outside of 4chan alot( a lot?) of us lead healthy normal lives. I keep coming back because you guys are alright, a lot of you are hilarious, and can be genuinely knowledgeable and helpful.

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>>28891482
not him but name one socialist/communist state that didn't become a fascist totalitarian regime

>>28891480
Except we don't win a war if Russia and China invade just by being insurgents. It would be fun and we would take out a shit ton of them, but that's not a legitimate plan. Also in order to dodge the draft you run to an identical country (Canada), and if you dodge the draft there you run out of space to run.

>>28891478
Human nature is not a fucking argument
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

>>28891511
There is no such thing as a communist state because communism is stateless

>>28891519
>implying the US needs the most expensive military in the entire world by several times over to defend itself against an invasion which would never happen because it would make zero economic sense

Fear-mongering and lies is the basis of US militarism. Observe: they use the word "defense" when it is anything but.

The US military can be downsized several times over and be totally sufficient for actual defense.

>>28891540
but in order to bring it about in the first place you need a transition, and this has never worked

even ignoring massive ass countries prone to corruption every social experiment commune failed sometime or another

it's simply never been brought about despite repeated attempts. it's delusional to keep trying the same thing over and over and over again in spite of it never working the way you want it to.

>>28891475

In theory? It worked during Vietnam, domestic resistance against the draft was instrumental in bringing about American defeat. And the Canadian government didn't round up all the refugees and throw them into Da Nang.

My nigger, listen carefully. These arab chucklefucks have hatred for eachother that precede the US involvement in the region. They hate eachother for things that happened before the fucking Ottoman empire fell. They hate eachother for shit that predates the discovery of America. They even find ways angst over shit that was happening while prophet fucking Muhammad was sucking his mothers' sandy tit. And fuck me if some of these savages don't still believe in shit the Persians Alexander fought did.

The US doesn't matter in the big picture for these people. They will continue their shitty Punic ways for millenia to come unaffected. Yankees are just the new fools in turn enabling it.

Furthermore, i believe Carthage must be destroyed.

>>28891548
And by conquering a US that no longer has a military but has the largest economy in the world amongst massive land and natural resources, as well as putting THE world superpower down for the count and out of the way in order to make way for a new world leader wouldn't make economic sense? Also I don't think you realize the target America has on it's back. At the slightest opportunity I bet you most of the worlds militaries attack. Assuming that Russia, China, North Korea, and every jihadist under the sun wouldn't be enough to wreack havoc and build up a massive body count in our country. Then what? Our democracy goes out the window and we are fighting a war on our soil. In that light having a miitary actually does defend our way of life. America is far from perfect but at least we aren't some African shithole

>>28891020

Prior Infantry here.

If you don't have thick enough skin to laugh at POGs manjealousy and use your GI Bill to succeed afterwards you did it wrong.

>>28891576
>the Middle East was more peaceful than Europe for most of human history
>Arab nationalism and islamism being new developments over the last half century
>mangles the word "Punic"
>quotes the inferior Cato

Epic shitpost brah.

>>28891572
Well I mean backed and armed by an actual military as well. Plus they we're fighting a losing war on their own soil. Doesn't sound ideal.
According to these official stats we lost 9,000 they lost 55,000. Doesn't sound all too efficient...
http://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html#category

>hurr we aren't fighting for survival why do we need a military
>if we stopped placing our mighty military/economic dick in everyone's faces they would be nice in return and the world would stay together in peace and love
>what is global stability, it probably has nothing to do with how cheap, abundant and safe everything i and billions across the world enjoy

Fucking hippies

>>28891592
>wars are free

This is how stupid you sound. Everyone with a brain already figured out the most efficient way to obtain human and natural resources is through trade and migration. War for natural resources is a relic.

Moreover, human resources are the most valuable economic commodity in today's world, and wars directly destroy that commodity. No war makes economic sense in the modern world. Today's wars are fought for the hubris of politicians, nothing more.

>At the slightest opportunity I bet you most of the worlds militaries attack.

You're an idiot.

>>28891622
>the Middle East was more peaceful than Europe for most of human history
>Arab nationalism and islamism being new developments over the last half century

Whatever you say, achmed, i'm sure that's why there were a gorillion caliphates, emirates and kingdoms and only the turks made anything that lasted more than a hundred years, the muslim chimp outs that began as soon as muhammed died were nothing relevant.

>>28891660
>Everyone with a brain already figured out the most efficient way to obtain human and natural resources is through trade and migration. War for natural resources is a relic.

Which is all easier when your rivals have to suffer through it while you don't.

>>28891660
Assuming that invading a country with literally no military would be a war. Assuming taking out America wouldn't put Russia in a position where nobody could stand up to them. Russia could do whatever the fuck it wanted. Europe wouldn't do shit. Western Europe would probably follow our model. Then we all get steamrolled. This is retarded I'm actually debating you over if we need a military. Especially on /k/ I would've thought a need for a military would be the most basic principal imaginable

>>28891664
>can't deal with historical facts
>the Abbasids and Malmuks didn't last for centuries

It's not like there haven't been shelves of books documenting the Arab nationalism and islamism as 20th century inventions.

>>28891674

Notice how the only person tossing around this "no military" line is you. Arguing for a cessation of global military adventurism is hardly a call for disbanding the military entirely. Ending the military worship that is endemic in this country would be a nice bonus too.

>Especially on /k/ I would've thought a need for a military would be the most basic principal imaginable

This is a weapons board, not the military board. The military simply excels at using weapons for shitty reasons on orders from shitty people.

>>28891722
This is because you are saying we should all protest enlisting and dodge the draft. That means a policy of having no military. Now if this is about freedom then feel free to go to some country in Africa or the Middle East. They are more free than us because they have less laws. Let me know how not having a national military protecting you from the shitty people of the world goes though...

>>28891743
>That means a policy of having no military

No, it means telling American politicians that their imperialistic bullshit will no longer be funded by cheap labor from dumbasses.

>They are more free than us because they have less laws

Muh non sequitur.

>Let me know how not having a national military protecting you from the shitty people of the world

And let me know when the US military actually does any sort of protecting.

>>28891771
>The world doesn't attack us out of the kindness of their hearts. Not that the US military would fuck them up if they tried or anything...
>Like having nobody enlist and everybody dodge the draft wouldn't result in no military. After all what could go wrong with that?
>Assuming we don't get arrested for dodging the draft
>Wait let's all avoid being cops too. The niggers wouldn't do anything either. The niggers and sandniggers and basically everyone is civilized and will act nicely if they don't have any consequences to any of their actions.
I would love to see you as president. You would solve everything with your genius policies. The world wouldn't fucking burn or anything, and there would be no innocent casualties in doing so

>>28891178
>patriots defending their countries
>bad people

And now you see how people in the west love mass immigration, they think defending their country from invaders is immoral

>>28891830
>Crucifying kids
>Sadistic Sharia Law
>Patriots
They obviously have their shit together. That's why so many refugees from that part of the world are coming here. But I mean we're obviously the bad guys. Too bad we can't be peace loving people like the Arabs.

Theres notnhing wrong with invading the middle east and killing muslims.

The problem is that these same marxists doing empire building are also importing millions of shitskin immigrants with the purpose of destroying our countries

>>28891844
They come here because our government goes there, and advertises to them, that we'll give them free houses, free food, and spending money just for coming here

You know that the west has been the #1 supporter of this radical islamist shit?

>>28891847
And right there lies the problem. The politicians.

>>28891079
10/10 post. You sure you are really infantry?

>>28891804
>last two militarist fuckheads in the WhoreHouse killed half a million people in a series of pointless wars, squandered all the goodwill the US had after 9/11, alienated all our allies with spying and lying, and created ISIS to boot.

It's a pretty low bar to beat.

By the way we have the 2nd amendment in this country which allows us to protect ourselves against the government, "niggers" are small fry compared to government gangsters. So fuck the cops too.

>>28891870
Considered the first thing he mentioned was that he "meet the smartest and most retarded people" he definitely was infantry. I swear half the people with high IQ's want to experience war for some reason

>>28891865
politicians are just puppets pushing an agenda dictated to them

>>28891893
>soldiers are just puppets pushing an agenda dictated to them by politicians

FTFY

>>28891883
Absolutely fuck the cops. The military is absolutely getting misused, and are pawns to the politicians I don't dispute that. I just don't think the answer is that simple. I'm very conflicted on the issue because it's a complicated issue. However, I don't think our Vets are the ones to blame in this situation

>>28891905
>I don't think our Vets are the ones to blame in this situation
>volunteers despite awful track record of politicians doing stupid shit
>keeps going back even after it is absolutely obvious that the recent wars have nothing to do with keeping Americans safe
>their voluntarism massively cheapens the political cost of launching wars
>muh bennies

Fuck the vets, they're part of the problem.

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>>28891066
not true familia, theirs a large silent majority of us who go to college and continue life like normies who dickpost on /k/ all day.

I got out of the military five years ago, when I joined this stuff wasn't common knowledge and I didn't have the internet.

A lot of the stuff 4channers think is an obvious truth is completely unknown to the average person.

I got mixed feelings about Iraq and having been in the Army, I got some interesting experiences from it but a lot of shit ones too. I feel like OIF and OEF were an utter fucking waste and made the world far less safe.

Somethings gotta be done about these bullshit politicians, people need to get informed on all the lies and bullshit they get fed every day on the news. Maybe it will get better when our generations old folks die off.

I'm a lolbertardian and I don't give vets shit, if they have some false sense of pride and tell me they "protected my freedom" I just shut up and let them sperg out in peace.
I've met far more 0311 and 11b vets that advocate against what they signed up for.
No point in yelling at people who don't agree with you. They'll find out for themselves they were wrong.

>>28891999
Yeah like Adam Kokesh. It's all kind of a difficult situation. I don't think our militia's stand a chance against a standing army. Plus our gun rights, and overall our guns are being taken away. Our democracy is slowly making that less and less an option anyways. It's a difficult spot and I don't believe that there's any simple answer

>>28892023
American democracy is dead. Politicians either collude with the media to trick the public into supporting govt actions that lower the publics own quality of life or simply go behind the publics back and legislate in secret.

>>28891020
For the last something like 54 years you've come up with the weakest excuses to go to war.

>>28892069
Let's not pretend democracy was good. It's just mob rule with a fancy name. We supposedly were a constitutional republic.
That's dead.

>>28891020
>I hear so many people saying that our troops, especially in infantry are dumb and useless because all they fight for is the needs of big corporations, Isreal etc. Alright let's assume everyone is too smart to enlist. Now we have no military, then what happens? We get steamrolled.

Just because we need A military does not mean we need to accept the military that we have.

I would prefer if our boys in blue had some fucking backbone and the brains and heart to overthrow this fucking crooked and corrupt bankster government and the technological military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about.

But what I have instead is a bunch of underachievers and politicians' pets who went over to Iraq and Afghanistan, spilled lakes of blood to liberate those worthless shitholes that we should have left completely the fuck alone, and now everything they fought for has been retaken in months by ISIS.

The only thing that this current military is good for is being purged by the Obama administration, put on do-not-treat lists at the VA, marked as terrorists by DHS, and the best thing you can say about them is that they'll be truly shocked when their own predator drones start blowing their asses away.

You dumb sojer boys had better figure it out real quick, this isn't 1776, this tyrannical, criminal, out of control global government is not going to ALLOW you to resist, you have to just DO IT.

Or else you can get rubbed out and rounded up into camps with all the rest of us and die like a bunch of fucking animals and that be the end of free humanity.

>>28891020
>welfare queens
>honor

name one other job where former employees cry about not having welfare for the rest of their lives

ok besides teachers

>>28892350
"Fuh fuh fuh! I fought bravely in Afghanistan! I fought bravely in Iraq! I served my country!"

Nobody served this country in Iraq or Afghanistan or in Vietnam either. You wanna serve this fucking country, start by attacking the Federal Reserve building in New York.

Start by taking out some of these internationalist bankers and globalist financiers, and maybe some of their pet politicians.

Until you do that, you ain't served shit except for a bunch of Bilderbergers and Bohemian Grove attendees. Go groveling to them if you want some gratitude or respect or some help now that you're hurt. Come crawling faster, obey your masters.

Steamrolled by who? The US military are the terrorists.