Why is this weapon so revolutionary and great? Why, to this

Dude STFU

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>>28885793
>Why is this weapon so revolutionary and great?
>Why, to this day, is it so exceptional?

Cheap, simple to operate, works really, really well in all kinds of weather conditions and environments, it's super-reliable. It's also .30 cal which means it has great terminal ballistics and kills well.

AK has killed more people than any other implement of war ever invented.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11714558/AK-47-Kalashnikov-The-firearm-which-has-killed-more-people-than-any-other.html

>>28885793
>Rugged
>Reliable
>Cheaply made
>The Soviets made like 50000000000000000 of 'em and gave 'em to every fucker who ever looked crossways at the west

>>28885949
Liberals are going pro socialism lately. Maybe we can convince Russia to smuggle a few million AKs into the states before they're realize liberals are afraid of guns.

its a shitty gun but made in huge numbers and hyped up by the media and the fact that it looks cool

any M-16 clone is a million times better

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>>28886022
>its a shitty gun
ok kid
> any M-16 clone is a million times better
kek'd

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>>28885793
It's durable and the soviet union handed them out like communism to every "revolutionary" in the world.

>durable
>comes with cleaning kit
>retard simple
>accurate enough

>>28885949
pretty much

It's not a revolutionary design, it borrowed design elements from the M1 Garand, among others.

While it is certainly reliable, it's not the unstoppable beast it's hyped up to be. They can and do jam.

It's not exceptional by today's standards. The ergonomics are pretty terrible and its accuracy is sub par for the most part. The latest versions have addressed some of these issues, but only very recently.

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>>28885793
because it was designed 2 years after ww2 and is still in use today

>>28886159
>because it combined numerous points of inspiration from previous designs means that' it's not revolutionary.
Kill yourself.
>While it is certainly reliable, it's not the unstoppable beast it's hyped up to be. They can and do jam.
Okay...
>It's not exceptional by today's standards.
A modern AK-100 series rifle competes perfectly well with other modern rifles
>The ergonomics are pretty terrible
No, no they're not.
>its accuracy is sub par for the most part
A modern AK in 5.45 is just as effective as an AR/M4/M16 in 5.56
>but only very recently
Kill yourself. The Soviets created a mounting system for the AK rifles that allowed you to attach and detach optics that kept zero, meanwhile Western designers still struggle with that without making the system cost twice as much as the rifle itself.

>>28886680
>I'm a giant slavaboo faggot: The Post

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>>28886772
fantastic debate points and refutations, anon

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>>28886772
10/10 argument friend.

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>>28885830
Though AKs are for commies, that girl is qt af.

>>28886680
A bunch of borrowed ideas slapped together in a crude bullet hose was anything but innovative or revolutionary. It worked well enough and was cheap to produce, so it caught on, that is all.

I didn't say the modern 100 series AKs weren't good rifles, they are pretty huge improvements over the originals. However they still lack much of the modularity and ergonomics of other designs. Cough *ARs* Cough

The modularity does still suck, just because you are used to something doesn't mean it's good.

Yes, 5.45x39 was an improvement, still not as accurate as other designs.

There are plenty of rail interface optic mounts around that hold zero just fine that are in the $100-$200 dollar range. The shit they had to come up with to mount an optic to an AK ,while adequate, was far from elegant or lightweight.

Cheap to produce
Hard to break
Easy to maintain
Parts and ammo are easy to come by
Simple enough that it can be and has been operated by children

>>28885830
Uh-huh

>>28886052
Afraid of the truth?

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>>28885830
>AK has killed more people than any other implement of war ever invented.
spears have almost definitely killed more

>>28885793
"Of all the weapons in the vast Soviet arsenal nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947, more commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle, a weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple nine pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood, it doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It will shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy even a child can use it, and they do."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAHXosoNlvo

>>28890838
Is this movie worth watching?

>>28890938
Yeah, it's pretty good.

>>28890808

>Almost
Without question
That and arrows

>>28891122
>arrows
tiny spears

>>28890838
>covered in mud or filled with sand
Nick Cage has some forgotten weapons vids to watch

>>28885830

Ever invented? The rifle has only existed like 60 years.
Spears and arrows have been around arguably since the dawn of man. Dont tell me that 100s of millions (perhaps billions) slain in battle dont exponentially surpass the numbers killed by the AK
They're not even close

>>28891170
InRange Tv***

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>>28885793
Because it can be built out of a flat head shovel inside of a cave, and go toe-to-toe with any rifle <300m.

You too will see how revolutionary it is once you learn the efficiency of simplicity.

>>28891182
don't bother he's a meme spewer

that should have been obvious when he mentioned reliability and the mystical power of .30 cal

AR = Swiss Army knife

AK = Nothing fancy does what is designed for

I'll take simplicity over bells and whistles

>>28891226
This guy gets it. If I wanna go plink in my back yard, I'll get an AR. If I need to go to combat I'll have my AK ready.

>>28891233
>>28891226
how is it a more simple design or a more reliable design in any measurable way

>>28885793
>cheap
>it just werks
>easy to use
>easy to arm and train drunk conscripts or child soldiers
>toss it in your rice paddy for a year and it'll still be working when you dig it out
>ur example of generic bad guy gun in media

Its exceptionality is long past gone since modern rifles are close to or even more reliable than the AK, and it is but cheap slavshit cobbled together by a soviet tanker with the help of nazi engineers

>>28886009
I'm a liberal and I love guns

>>28891245
Do you support universal background checks?

>>28891233
>go to combat
I'd phrase this a little differently. If I was to go to combat, I'd probably pick an AR on account of modularity and ergonomics, also objectively superior terminal ballistics.
However, if I was to go to WAR, I would hands-down grab an AK.

>>28891241
How about you google some statistics, look at some deign notes, read some papers, and find out for yourself instead of shitposting and asking others to shitpost. The information is out there. Shit, if you're actually this retarded and noguns just download World of Guns and disassemble the two models for yourself. Or even simpler, just watch the field stripping in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VRrc2n0NXg

cheap for poorfag slavaboos

>>28891271
I've disassembled both, both in World of Guns and real life. Unless you get into autistic levels of detail stripping there's not much difference. ARs were actually nicer because they're not fucking riveted together.

>>28885793

It's cheap, it works, and rifles are as expendable as the people they were given to.

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>>28885793

Because it's so reliable it fires even when you don't want it to. Just ask Travis Haley!

>>28890938
>>28891021
While maybe having some points that aren't true, it certainly is a fine movie about a guy who sells weapons. I would almost go as far as to say it is a /k/ related movie.

It didn't do anything new but was the one of the first assault rifles to really combine supreme reliability, power, detachable magazines, super ease of use, and general effectiveness into one gun that was also cheap as chips to make. These days it's obsolete with no last round hold open, poor muzzle device mounting, cruddy sights, crap safety, giant gaps in the side which lets in rocks and shit, and poor optic mounting options due to the nature of the dustcovers wanting to jiggle. The 7.62x39 has also been phased out in most countries by now too.

>>28885793
Quality in quantity.

>>28888328
>A bunch of borrowed ideas slapped together in a crude bullet hose was anything but innovative or revolutionary. It worked well enough and was cheap to produce, so it caught on, that is all.
First off it's not a fucking bullet hose you fucking imbecile. Secondly it's not just "borrowed ideas slapped together".
>I didn't say the modern 100 series AKs weren't good rifles, they are pretty huge improvements over the originals. However they still lack much of the modularity and ergonomics of other designs. Cough *ARs* Cough
What fucking modularity? There are tons of options for shit you can do to and with an AK. As for ergonomics, that is completely subjective.
>The modularity does still suck, just because you are used to something doesn't mean it's good.
And just because you like taking the occasional dick up the ass doesn't make you a faggot right? Oh wait...
>Yes, 5.45x39 was an improvement, still not as accurate as other designs.
It's just as effective as 5.56 within Russian design philosophy.
>There are plenty of rail interface optic mounts around that hold zero just fine that are in the $100-$200 dollar range. The shit they had to come up with to mount an optic to an AK ,while adequate, was far from elegant or lightweight.
Nice reading comprehension you fucking piece of shit. How long did it take for a quick detach rail system for the AR come to develop that actually held zero? Also just because it's a few ounces heavier that you super slick dynamically buttfucking aliamfiaum nortiraicide coated buttplug has no bearing on it's quality or utility. Also
>elegance
What the fuck eve? It just slide one and you flip a lever over. It's not fucking rocket science.

>>28891466
>subjective

It's objective that the safety sucks, the side rail mounting is awkward and heavy, and the 100 series stock disallows you from folding it with optics on

>>28891496
>It's objective that the safety sucks
Nope.
>the side rail mounting is awkward and heavy
Yeah... no
>the 100 series stock disallows you from folding it with optics on
Oh compared to the AR's folding sto... oh wait..

>>28891508
>contrary to what literally everyone believes
>contrary to what literally everyone believes
>comparison to a single set of rifles

If the safety didn't suck, there wouldn't be tons of aftermarket improvements, including modifications done by two countries for their service rifles to make it suck less. If the mounting didn't suck, there wouldn't be a bunch of solutions that didn't involve the side rail, including some made by the Russians themselves. Nobody even fucking brought up the AR except for that one asshat.

Yeah okay buddy, I think it's bedtime for you.

>>28885949
>It took them 10 years to make them.

>>28891542
if ARs didn't suck the wouldn't be aftermarket parts to replace every single piece of the weapon

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>>28886022
In what way? Explain yourself. I owned ARs and I went to slav shit and probably wont look back unless I'm building a 300 black out AR for fun.
I will concede that there are a lot poorly made AK out there., but if you do your research and get a good one they are fantastic rifles.

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AK is the gun you grab if you're going innawoods and you won't have the time or resources to maintain it correctly. This is why its more popular with rebels/freedom fighters/etc who won't have the more organized logistics of an established military on their side. If something breaks you're usually fugged and need a new gun, but that platform is so easy to mass produced it usually doesn't matter.

AR is the gun you grab if you want to operate and you know you're coming back to an armorer/base/moms basement afterwards to clean and maintain it. It's has better placement of controls and overall a smarter design, but one with many more parts that may need to be replaced over time. Most people on /k/ will never use it enough for that to happen, so its a moot point.

Everyone should own both and decide which they like better and how its going to be used.

You fucks keep saying its "cheap."

No. $700 for a rivited together, stamped slab of aluminum that does nothing better than any other rifle in its price range is shit.

>>28893799
>$700

lol no.

>>28893799
>stamped
>aluminum
I think you're confusing two different guns there senpai

>>28891214
dat filename tho. kekked.

>>28886129
>>comes with cleaning kit
My
fucking
sides

>>28894224

Are you retarded? It has a built-in one piece cleaning rod and kit in the buttstock for the tools and brushes.

>>28885793
It's not so much that the rifle itself was so important nearly as much as it goes to show that the Soviet Union was/is a terrifyingly formidable opponent.

Every goatfucker and spear chucker has an AK because of how far the ussr's influence stretched.

The guns happening to last forever is just a side effect and allows us to more easily see the influence versus all the countries backed by us who have since replaced their garands and m16s and shit

>>28891122
hell, I would place good money that mosins have killed more people than AKs

>>28894243
The M16 doesn't/didn't come with a cleaning kit.
I just made the connection
AK
>comes with cleaning kit
AR
>"Self-Cleaning"

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>>28894267
>The guns happening to last forever is just a side effect
>just a side effect

lol wut?

>>28894350
pretty fuckin obscure for some anon to know

>>28893799
>Aluminum

No.