What are /k/'s thoughts on the Savage Mark II FV SR? It's a good priced bolt action that's already threaded, seems great.
I'm looking at getting a .22lr rifle and between this, a CZ and a 10/22 this is looking good.
Msrp is like twice as high or more to, and models with a threaded barrel seem more expensive.
I was originally looking at the CZ since everyone seems to say how smooth the bolt is and how accurate they are, but I hear great things about savage accuracy too, and the synthetic stock, top rail, and threaded barrel for low 200 dollar range seemed great.
Also what distance are those groups?
Yes, it is. Mk II's are fine, but considering it's a 22 you're after, not an HD gun because you are concerned about an immediate home invasion, if it was me I would save up for something a little nicer (Like I did when I got my 455) or just take the financial hit and scrimp on something else for a bit. Assuming your money situation is college student w/ a part time job like me.
I'm just not sure on the benefits you'll see from a savage to the 455, is there even a huge difference?
Also this is actually op this time.
Another thing that sucks is if I get a suppressor that will be 6-8 hundred dollars and a large fucking wait, then need a good scope too.
I surprisngly do not have any pictures, and I just moved back in December into a shit neighborhood so my CZ currently lives with my parents with a few other guns.
Anyway, pic related sans suppressor. I have a Prostaff Rimfire 3-9x40. May be getting a trust soon through work (???) and if that happens I may start saving for a can.
In the mean time, plans for the gun include
>Dowel & some sandpaper to get a true free float barrel (it is, but barely)
>Multicam the stock w/ spraypaint when I finish up my stencils
Maybe a Lilja bull barrel at some point and get a new stock or bed the current one
mags are complete shit. constantly breaking and spitting out rounds making the gun (while nice other wise) a waste. get an american if you want something already threaded.
To the end user? Not particularly. I have had my hands on and shot plenty of Marlins, Savages, Rugays (The Ruger American .22 was pretty tempting though) even a couple of Anschutz .17's in my life, but the CZ has been far and away my favorite for the combination of build quality, accuracy, and price. Just feels good.
Favorite to shoot was my buddy's dads Anschutz, but I am not particularly interested in it considering the price.
do what ever you want, just my experience between 3 savage 22s (my buddies 22 mag does the same thing) and one american.
if you happen to be in SC ill sell you the pair for cheap
I have a mk2 fvsr and I'm thinking I'll eventually go the route of a 455. The mk2 is nice and accurate, but if I want to change out to a lilja that isn't possible with the savage. The 455 also comes with nicer stock options too, krg180xray. However what suppressor are you looking at that costs 800? Most I'm seeing is like a dead air mask hd for 400 and then another 2 for the stamp.
ya it was pretty cheap. kinda hard to find with a threaded barrel (at least when i was looking). but if you happen to already own a bunch of 10/22 mags and happen to want irons its a no brainier.
I got a cheapo Savage 64f semi auto rifle.
/k/ Rates it a shit tier gun but it honestly performs fine. Its accuracy and feeding isn't an issue. Two big issues with it though.
>teardown requires you to separate the barrel from the receiver which is a pain in the ass
>the magazine is shitty, it just BARELY holds 10 rounds
I have a MK II F and I have to warn you that if you're planning on shooting a lot in prone, the comb height as well as LOP is murder on your neck, even with an aftermarket cheek riser. I'm otherwise more than happy with it but I'm going to switch the stock out sometime preferably soon.
Not him, but the 452 has been around for a long time and has a massive cult following, naturally people will be a little upset that it is being replaced by the 455. As far as i know, the only differences are that the barrel in the 452 is threaded in while the 455 is clamped in with screws allowing you to change barrels between 22lr and 17hmr. Some people claim that this clamped in barrel is a worse system than the threaded barrel but im pretty sure high end anchutz rifles have clamped barrels so it cant be inheritly had. The receivers are slightly different too, the 455 looks a little more rounded off in some areas and ive heard it is better finished than the 452.
Also to answer OP, the CZ imo is much better. It feels like a real rifle scaled down rather than a lightweight toy. if this is going to be your first rifle id highly suggest you spend a bit more and get something nice and heirloom quality like the CZ as it will probably Gain sentimental value and youll want to hand it down generations. If this is just a 22 for plinking around and shit then the savage will do the exact same thing as the CZ at half the price.
Honestly you should just go into a shop and play with a CZ, savage mk2, marlin xt22 and a ruger american. You will know which one you like more fairly soon
would you not recommend a CZ with synthetic stock? I think the only one that is threaded from the factory is the black synthetic stock version.
I do think the CZ sounds like a good little gun, and I can't find much if anything negative about them. But I would need to decide between the 452 the 455, and also how synthetic/wood and how important a threaded barrel is.
Another option would be the savage now and then if I really like the .22 bolt can get a CZ later.
I believe the synthetic CZ is called the silhouette, i have never played with one though so i dont know how good that stock is. Honestly the biggest deciding factor is how the rifle feels to you, when looking for my first bolt action 22i was dead set on getting a ruger american for those sexy rotating mags, but the second i played with the CZ i knew i was taking it home. If you have a play with them in store you will be able to make up your mind much easier. Also you lucky fuckers get shit so cheap. Here in australia the basic model savage mk2 is about $450, my cz 452 american was on sale for $665 (usually nearly a grand) if i could get the savage for $200 id buy It as well just as a fuck around gun which im not worried about scratching
Damn. I feel sorry for you Australians, you got some real shitty gun laws.
Hopefully one of my two local gun stores has some of these guns, who knows though. I always hate visiting these gun shops though.
Damn after more reading I'm not sure if I want irons on a CZ or a scope if I went with one. That 452 ultra lux apparently has some amazing irons.
And really do you need a scope for sub 200m shooting? I'm not so sure honestly.
The whole rifle right down to the iron sights is a shrunken down mauser which is pretty awesome, if you like the ultra lux then you might like the "trainer" model too which is cheaper and shorter, still has the great sights. Sights are a fun thing to use but youd definitely need a scope to make the most of the accuracy. Plenty of people mount scopes to their ultra lux's and trainers. I only went with the 452 american because i liked the more conventional style stock and i was only going to it scoped anyway pic related >>28891246
I work for one of CZ's competitors. 455s have an earned reputation for not being as quite as consistently accurate out of the box as a 452. Both tend to be better shooters than Savages across large samples.
CZ went to clamped barrels on the 455 because it's cheaper, not because it's better. However, this also means that you can toss the factory barrel and install an aftermarket one easily, which is nice.
455s are still great rifles. I'd take a 452 over a 455 because they're slightly more consistent, but I'd easily take a 455 over Savage unless cost was a big factor.
For the money, vanilla Savages are good guns.
You can still find 452 Americans with 16" threaded barrels once in a while, those are great. 452s do still get imported in small batches, so it's not like they're impossible to get now.
I have a plain Jane, Savage Mk 2 for 10 years now. It has around 17 or 18,000 rounds through it. I never once had any issue with it. I picked that up at Jay's Sporting goods for about $100 New at the time.
When I had my Redfield Revenge 4-12x42 on it, using CCI 36 GR, I could get 2 inch groups at 200ish yards.
So it's almost a waste to have a rifle that accurate and not scope it?
That kind of blows, I figured since anschultz (sp?) I thought used the clamping method that it was superior
>mags are shit
you're a fucking liar, have had a mark II for 4 years, fired easily 30,000 rounds out of it and never had a problem with the mags. Aslo have a 1923A sporter of savages... mag is still good, close to 100 year old rim fire rifle mag still good
I've had my original mag break after only ~750 rounds. The uppermost rivet-thing holding the spine and side panel together popped free on the near the top of the mag. You could push it closed again, but it wouldn't stay there for long and the feed lips would spread apart randomly, spilling ammo everywhere. Might have been a lemon, but it is definitely a weak point in the mag design.
Not really, people use the sights just because its a lot of fun using them for plinking, i have a browning bl22 lever action 22 and its heaps on fun fucking around trying to hit things with the sights, but if im out shooting rabbits id only use the scoped CZ so im guarenteed to hit things if i do my part.
452 is a classic and has proven itself for many years, 455 Despite being almost the same, is the new guy so people arent sure about it just yet. Ive heard that on the 455 they got rid of the excellent sights used on the 452's though which is a shame
The ultra lux has a 28 inch barrel which will make your sight radius longer therefore easier to use irons, another advantage of having the 28 inch barrel is it is much quieter, almost suppressed, so there is something to consider. However such a long barrel can be awkward to move around if youre out hunting
The upside of the Savage is that the Mk.2's accutrigger allows for a pseudo set-trigger that results in a retardedly light trigger (ie. well under 1lb). It's a bit tricky to get the technique down at first, but the result is nuts, all with no modifications to the trigger group.
not this guy
but this guy>>28893244
If I recall correctly, it was 14 or so clicks (1 click= 1/4 MOA) but that was a while ago and before I wrote things down.
My longest shot was about 400 Yards, and was able to get 3 out 15 on a 8"x8" target with a slight wind. and that was very hard.
And since .22 is hard to find in my area for a while now, I stopped shooting it.
Now i do that kind of shooting with a .357 mag Handi Rifle, and can use my own hand loads. Still trying to develop a 250-300 yard load.
The take some polishing.
The bolt from the factory is parkerized. And feels gritty.
But a hour with some valve lapping compund, fitz, and emery cloth and it is a buttery smooth tack driver.
Mine is moa at 100, and sub moa at 50.
You will love the sparrow.
I love mine.
The dead air is a good looking/sounding can too
You could always make one on the down-low, provided you only shoot it innawoods or on your property. 22 cans are the easiest to make, literally any baffle design will work; if it's not quiet enough, just add more.
Not that other poster but 22 cans are worth it, however the monocore design is pretty dated. for the cost of most 22 cans (400 or less pre tax) you can get some very good cans. You have the dead air mask, the spectre 2, warlock 2 (if you want to go cheap, super light, and just barely louder than the spectre2) Tbac takedown 22 (when it eventually hits dealer shelves, but it looks somewhat similar in baffle orientation to the dead air), Griffin Arm checkmate.
Really though the top contenders for best suppressor on the market would be either the sco spectre 2 or the dead air mask
All it takes is a piece of shit mini lathe from Harbor Freight for $500. It's hardly spectacular, but it'll crank out some k-baffles or omegas on the cheap, and there's a big community of people who mod their mini-lathes to not suck as much (if you're into that sort of thing). The benefit of making your own is that while the initial startup cost is high, each individual can is very cheap, and no dealing with tax stamps, which adds up if you want to suppress several guns. The downside is obviously the risk of getting v&, and maybe the learning curve.
Extremely little, if nobody knows you have one and you don't take it to the range or anything. When not in use, store it in a hiding place in case of some unforseen event where the police are inside your house for some reason, and you're pretty much golden.
More accurately, making an unregistered can is low risk, high consequence.
How do you center the baffles right with a mini lathe? Seems like your creating a very high risk of a baffle strike, or do you just have high tolerances?
(I.E hole drilled to .25 for a .22 bullet)
ALL OF THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL I WOULD NEVER BREAK THE LAW
You'd center them the same as on any other lathe, just measure the diameter and drill at the halfway point. Or are you talking about the variance on the lathe? I'm not sure what the tolerances are (they seem to vary between individual examples, since these things aren't exactly top-tier), but you could find out by turning down a bit of roundbar beforehand and then measuring it to see how accurate the dials really are.
You can certainly play it safe by oversizing the bore on the baffles, at which point you just add another baffle or two to make up for the loss of efficiency. Since it's going on a rifle, length isn't really a big deal, and you can easily fuck around to find the optimal number/size/design of baffles.
And lastly, if you get slight baffle strikes, you can always throw the offending baffles back on the lathe and increase the bore a touch. Even if you seriously fuck up a baffle, just make another.
>Not just using steel wool wrapped up in hardware cloth around a spindle and inserted into the conduit.
That's what I WOULD use in my MkIII if I were going to do such a thing and when I use 22 shorts I can fire on one side of a vehicle and people on the other side can't even hear it
Done right with the coarser steel wool it'll last several hundred rounds.
Take a square of hardware cloth cut to the length of your suppressor chamber, lay it flat, spread the wool out over it then wrap it all up around a dowel or the shaft of a screwdriver to make a bullet path. The smaller the holes in the hardware cloth the longer it'll last but fly screen doesn't work, it's too flimsy.
>and it looks like ass
This is totally a faux mockup tube with absolutely nothing in but you get the idea
I kind of want to get a 452 after seeing everyone blowing it, just to get one before they all dry up. I see them new on gander mountain, the ultra lux in particular.
FUCK I just know I'll end up buying both the savage (for scope and suppressor) and the fucking ultra lux.
It was an American until Thompson Machine re-manufactured it as an "Operative B CZ."
>FUCK I just know I'll end up buying both the savage (for scope and suppressor) and the fucking ultra lux.
Nothing wrong with double the guns, brah. Except costing more, of course, but what's money for if not for expanding your arsenal?
Might as well answer some questions.
Your evidence is anecdotal. You could find yourself a Calico magazine that worked flawlessly, or a Jennings J22, or a PM9, or a Tec 9, or an AR7 or any of fifty other guns that are well known to be unreliable junk. That does not make the Mark II a reliable gun in general.
A lot of it is oldfags and fudds crapping on what's new. There is an excellent comparison of new and old here:
There are pros and cons to both models, it's not clear cut. The 455s seem to have less machine marks, can change calibers and introduced improved magazines, but have poorer bluing, have one less barrel lug, come with cheap stamped trigger guards and are harder to pillar bed. Otherwise they are nearly identical. Accuracy remains equally excellent in both models. 455 also comes in a wide variety of calibers and configurations, which the 452 did not.
Only if you want iron sights and like the way the stock looks. .22 reaches peak velocity around 16", so anything more than that is sapping velocity but allowing gasses longer to cool, making it slightly quieter. WIth CCI CB caps it would be very quiet.
FWIW, CCI Minimag out of my 12" barrel at 1094 FPS falls 44.5 MOA at 300y. My calc says 38 MOA drop at 1235 FPS. Both dopes are within most 30mm scopes' adjustment ranges even before canted scope bases.
>2 Inch groups at 200 with a 22 let alone a savage with shitty ammo
This was a once or twice in the 18000 rounds right? Otherwise.... pic related
A 1 MOA .22 is not out of the realm of possibility. Just because his might shoot that well doesn't mean most will.
I know a guy with a Dick's special thin barrel Remington 700 ADL, the ones that come with a scope for $300. It shoots 1/2 MOA, though not with that scope. Luck of the draw, anon.
Of course there's an 87% chance that otheranon is lying.
After some reading, especially about how quiet it is, I'm starting to lean towards the 452 ultra lux, it's not cheap at all but it looks really fucking good.
Wondering how the long barrel lends itself to handling however. But if I can shoot subsonic, or hell maybe even regular, without ear protection maybe I won't need a suppressor for it. Too bad you can't buy it already threaded.
What about the CZ 453? How come nobody recommends the 453? It's always just 452 or 455
not that anon saying getting 1 moa at 200yds, but if he was shooting eley tenex thru his rig, I'd believe him.
On pic, it is shows 3 different types of eley ammo thru my suppressed mk2 fvsr. from worst to best groups it was target, club, then match. I would have bought a box of tenex just to try, but the store didn't have any in stock.
On my eley match target, the first 5 rounds were sub moa, but as I went to round 7 and 10, I mucked it. Round 7 didn't feel as bad as it shows, which was the lowest round, so I'm not sure if that was solely me or a mixture of a bad round and me, doesn't matter.
Now if that other guy was saying he was shooting Rem Golden bullets, or some other bulk ammo I'm calling on that. If it was ammo that youre spending 25-50 cents per round, then sure it is within the realm of possibility.
77 shots at 50m with my CZ 455 yesterday
83% of hits were under 1moa, best group of 5 was 0.55moa
the 453 was better than both right out of the box. because shooters didn't have to spend time and $ modding them, to shoot better, there hasn't been as much written about them as the 452's and 5's.
Can confirm, the mags are complete dogshit, the 5 rd mag mine shipped with never worked once out of the box.
The 10 rounders they sell are better but still prone to spitting bullets and losing feed lip tension.
I am not OP, but this thread made up my mind to buy a CZ 453 Lux. They go for about 700 bucks where I live.
This thread is an example of how /k/ can indeed still be good these days. It's not just bait, shitposts and /pol/trolls.
1: The 453 hasn't been made for going on 4 years
2: Set triggers are rather niche; if someone wants an very light target trigger they will buy or create one, if they want a heavier hunting trigger, likewise. Having both is an oddity.
I was set on getting Savage, but when I went to the store and held CZ Silhouette, that was that.
Like many have pointed out, CZ feels like scaled down rifle, Savage felt like plastic toy.
I also own Savage Axis 223 and it's great.
I'm not american, but I suppose .22 Savage is made for that market segment where you can go to walmart and pick one up from the shelf for $200 and that's great. I hear it shoots pretty well also.
Yes but people have reported using the same ammo and not having such luck, even the video poster has seen that and acknowledged it. He feels it's serious enough not to shoot them again.
It's possible, I guess, depending on how much powder variation there is in that particular line of ammo. Easily solved by getting the lux instead of the ultra lux. As mentioned before, long barrels like that are pretty much useless on a .22, except for a better sight radius if you're going to exclusively use irons.
Savages 22's 1 moa capable at 200 yards?
With non match ammo?
Guys who are some of the top small bore shooters in North America who shoot .6-1 moa with a 22 at 100 usually shoot over 1 moa at 200.
For Joe blow to claim he can best them isn't truthful at all.