US Marines vs Royal Marines Which is the superior Marine

>>28880809
US Marines, because they have more stuff.

>>28880819
This, all out war they would have the Brits praying to allah

>>28880809
US Marines because there is way more of them, and they aren't beta as fuck bongs who let sanjeet and ahmed chop their heads off while walking down the street.

>>28880809
Superior in what sense? Don't just post ambiguous questions to stir controversy you shitposting fuck.

>>28880809
I've seen both and just based on appearances I'd say the Britbongs. They are almost all 6'+ and jacked.

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>>28880837

>>28880838
>he's impressed by a man who is 6'
found the manlet.

>>28880809
US marines.

They have a shitload more support, both organically from the marines itself and operationally from the navy.

>>28880835
He was an unarmed Fusilier, not a Marine. Toe to toe, I'd say there's not much between British and US Marines, but the US Marines have a much wide array of toys to blow people up with.

Also, Fort Hood.

>>28880828
>This, all out war they would have the Brits praying to allah
As opposed to pissing themselves praying to jesus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMNkcRMQrow

Anybody that says anything but space marine is a heretic.

>>28880864
Oh, the butthurt is real

Its OK Mohammad, someday your military will be taken seriously

Someday

>>28880870
/k/aim to post this

bait thread, obviously

But in an evenly pitched fight in terms of men and materiel then the Royal Marines without a shadow of a doubt.

In answer to the question who makes a better marine, its the Brits. The USMC is not specialised enough given their size.

>>28880921
>>28880809

Not comparable units.

Royal Marines are Special Operations capable light infantry.

US Marines are a self contained combined arms unit that can do amphibious invasions.

The more comparable unit to Royal Marines in the US are Rangers, and the UK doesn't have units comparable to the US marines because having an army in an army is a waste of money.

>>28880837
Instead of getting salty you could suggest where each group has the advantage on the other.

>>28880955
>having an army within an army is a waste of money

>even though that waste of money alone could defeat our well invested money

>>28881069

Not ripping on the US marines for being "bad", but having an army in an army is a huge expenditure that literally no other country can afford.

The US marines are much more capable than "marine" units in other nations, but they are exponentially more expensive and have pretty big logistical differences from the Army and their own (yet again hugely expensive) procurement system.

How many times have the US marines done something in the past 60 years that the Army couldn't do with some extra sweat? Arguably zero.

>>28880955
>>28881108

Exactly this.

But /k/ doesn't care or isn't smart enough to look beyond the /pol/ memes whilst spouting on how much they hate /pol/. Double standards exist in full force.

>>28880872
>entire thread devolves into insults against the Brits
>one lone post points out the opposite
>hurr hurr, "it's okay Mohammad!"
And people wonder why daytime /k/ sucks camel ass.

>>28880955
This.

>>28880819

200k personnel do tend to have more stuff than 6.5k personnel.

>>28881108
>US Marines much more capable than other Marine units
I love how it always comes down to numbers and cool toys when people say this shit.

The Royal Marines (and Black Sea Marines, and South Korean Marines, and so on) are generally better trained and better motivated than the gung-ho idiots of the US Marine Corps. In an even battle, the US Marines would get beaten by pretty much all of them.

>>28881214
>in an even battle one of the opponents should be handicapped

As total organizations? US marines. They have ~180,000 while the Brits have about ~12,000

On a per soldier basis? Royal Marines are probably the best trained "regular" troops in the world. Their Basic Training is a 32 week long training AND selection and is more akin to the US's RASP.

>>28881214

thinly veiled bait.

The USMC can bring organic air cover, heavy armour and numbers with an ungodly amount of logistics to support it all.

Neither of those forces can.

Those other marine forces do not service the same roll as the US Of A's other army.

>>28881257
>bait
>telling the truth is bait now
Yeah yeah, once again "we have more numbers, and more equipment" as the reason why the US Marines would win.

So again, it's not because the soldiers are better, but because they don't need someone else to bring tanks and planes. So once again, it's all based on equipment and numbers.

>>28881227
>in an even battle, one of the opponents should outnumber the other and have access to more supplies

>>28881292
An even battle is everyone showing up at maximum strength, not artificially weakening one to give the obvious loser a semblance of a chance

>>28880809
>organisation

You're planning on joining the Corp arnt ya?

>>28881108
The USMC budget is tiny m8

>>28881309
You need to re-read the definition of even.

Royal Marines because they are an actual special operations force.
>muhreens are just better infantry

>>28881214
>The Royal Marines (and Black Sea Marines, and South Korean Marines, and so on) are generally better trained and better motivated
citation?

Why do people think the US and UK Marines are the same thing? It's like people see the word "marines" and think they are both trained to perform the exact same role.

>>28881314
bait or average american?

>>28881336
Because people are simplistic retards

>>28881331

Royal Marines don't join up for free college, nor is it a refuge for drop outs and people with no other option.

>>28881292

As pointed out above, what's the point of comparing SOF light infantry with a conventional combine arms group that can do amphibious operations?

The jobs that Royal Marines do are done by SEAL teams/Recon Marines/Rangers. You'd be hard pressed to say that Royal Marines would handily whup them in a fight.

Just because they both have the word "marine" in their names doesn't mean they do the same thing and are comparable. That's like saying you can compare Texas Rangers, Texas Rangers the baseball team, Park Rangers, and 75th Rangers because they all have the word "rangers" in their name.

>>28881329
>Royal Marines because they are an actual special operations force.
No, they can join the Special Forces Support Group but they are not SOF themselves.

>>28881292
>equipment isn't part of a force
The question wasn't who would be better in a hunger games scenario. Training is great, but force projection and logistics are better. Bongs go for training because it's cheaper and we have the expensive stuff under control.

>>28881319

It's 40 billion dollars not counting the stuff that's technically under the Navy, which is a ton.

That's more than the entire IDF or South Korean defense budget. And the UK defense budget is only 62 billion dollars, or 50% more than the USMC budget.

IMHO the USMC should become more like the Royal Marines; elite light infantry that specialize in Amphibious ops, and hand off all the heavy equipment to the Army. The amount of redundancy between the Marines and Army is frankly wasteful.

>>28881358
>what's the point of comparing SOF light infantry with a conventional combine arms group that can do amphibious operations?
It's interesting that noone brought up this question until I and a couple others started talking about how the Royal Marines are a special operations force, when everyone was busy touting the Marine Corps as the greatest.

>>28880846
Sad but true. For some reason all the spics short niggers join the Marines. I'm pretty sure the average RM is physically superior than the average US Marine.

>>28881418
What is the point in maintaining a highly trained amphibious capable force

As far as niches go, why not just concentrate on paratroopers instead

>>28881434

I brought it up way back here.

>>28880955

>>28881392

This is exactly it.

Many chide the Royal Navy for having x or picking y, but that was done at the exchange for being the primary ASW runner for NATO.

Submarine hunting and MCM became the navy's focus as the US and other allies are able to provide great generalist capabilities.

>>28880809
Colonial Marines.

>>28881434
The question is, which organisation is superior and the answer is objectively the us marines, head to head the us marines would win

If the question was how is the superior special forces the answer would be different

>>28881457

You should definitely have amphibious capability, because Paratroopers are even more expensive and less capable (from "what kind of missions can you do?" perspective) than marines.

Imagine big army as a chisel, and the Marines as a scalpel. Scalpels can definitely do things that a chisel can't, and there are definitely situations where you want a scalpel.

But for the past 60 years we've been using the scalpel to do the exact same work as the chisel, and spending extra money on scalpel training and support equipment.

>>28881520
>the Marines are a scalpel
top kek

Maybe MARSOC is, but the Marines, as a force, are from a scalpel.

>>28881794
I'd go with rubber mallet. Or even one of those plastic kid hammers that make sounds when you wave them around. The least sharp object you can find.

Man for man, it's undoubtedly the Royal Marines by a wide margin. Anyone who thinks otherwise fell for the USMC propaganda ads like an idiot.

>>28881794

They were originally supposed to be a scalpel, then mission creep and dick measuring with the Army happened and now they are a second Army with different lots of things that still retains amphibious capability for shits and giggles.

>>28880859
Fort Hood.....Fort....Fort implies army base. No Marine Casualties.

A better comparison would be royal marines vs US army Rangers but the answer to this is simple.

> man to man
Royal marines in equal numbers would definitely fuck up the average marine especially since a lot of those marines in a platoon or company scaled-down usmc would be pogs

> full resource use
Usmc without a doubt because the royal marines depend completely on the royal navy for support, logistics, CAS etc. While the usmc can handle it's own shit at least to some extent.

>>28881908
what are you basing this opinion off of, or is it just RM propaganda?

>>28881356
So supposition and butthurt without citations?

Gotcha, kiddo.

>>28882149

Longer and more comprehensive training in addition to a more stringent recruitment process.

>>28881356
>dropouts
You do realize you need a high school certificate to enlist right? Have you not received yours yet or do you think all the jokes people make about the military are true?

>>28880809
This picture confuses the fuck out of me
>DPM
>DD-Rail L85 and PMAGs

>>28880809

Royal marines; the 'royal' perk grants +50% defence when in home territory.

>>28883874
rails on the SA80's were introduced 2009+ MTP became standard issue 2012-13.

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>>28880809
The US Marine corps generally would be better due to the fact they have a much larger structure and are on-par with their military.

Put that aside and simply have a rifle company against a rifle troop the Royal Marines would win, without a doubt. RMs are simply better in every aspect to the USMC, aside the fact that the USMC is another army.

>>28882798

>Muh training

This bullshit needs to stop.

If you factor in all the stages of training for US forces, they're usually similar in length, if not longer than their foreign counterparts.

Besides, the initial training for RM's is closer to around 20 or so weeks, not 32, they have a few week breaks during training, whereas the US military doesn't.

BBC or someone did a story about the Royal Marines and covered the break period.

People give the USMC shit, doing mental gymnastics to try and convince themselves the USMC is wasteful, unneeded, whatever, and say if you believe otherwise, "you've just fallen for USMC propaganda!", when in reality, facts don't lie, and if you turn it around on them, they'll do more gymnastics to convince themselves and you that they aren't buying into RM, and British in general, propaganda.

Britain desperately tries to fool itself into thinking it still rules the world, when in fact, it doesn't. All the little countries always try to shit on America, only to get bitchslapped later and complain how mean America is. This goes for Russia, China, Iran, France, Germany, whoever.

Don't believe me? How many times have you heard the British say they have the "best" of something?

>The SAS is the BEST SF in the world!
>The RM's are the BEST Marines in the world!
>The Challenger 2 is the BEST protected tank in the world!
>British forces have the BEST training in the world!

The list goes on.

Stop fucking deluding yourselves.

America may be fucked up in a lot of ways, especially in the past decade due to (an) incompetent, socialist-influenced leader(s) and whatnot, but it's a hell of a lot better than anywhere else out there. America didn't get to the top by trying to emulate everyone else, we got here by being fucking Americans and believing in our founders.

>>28886727

It's sad when countries like China and India think they're going to be a superpower one day based on a few factors, yet they compare themselves to America when our economy is still shit, they have triple the fucking population, they lie about their numbers, they still have people shitting in the streets, and their "culture" is barely a thing on the world stage, whereas EVERYONE knows at least SOMETHING American.

In short, all you mad non-Americans can get bent, America #1.

>>28886741

The EU, China, and India have many more people than America, but STILL can't compete with our SINGLE country with LESS people.

The EU just BARELY has a larger GDP and such, no one country has an overall larger amount of arable land than us, nor overall livable land (China and Canada are bigger, but don't have as much inhabitable land), and so on.

Before all this PC, socialist-influenced SJW bullshit happened, America was undoubtedly LEAGUES above anyone else, following our ways and our culture and our system, but now look at us, this is what we get for trying to be un-American and like everyone else. This is how you defeat America, not by war, not by economic means, but by infiltrating our populace, saying we need to be more "respectful" and "understanding", and all that other bullshit.

>>28886810

Americans, and America itself gives more of their/it's own money away than the citizens of, or next 11 countries COMBINED.

Fuck you if you say Americans are greedy, evil, whatever.

Your worldview is wrong and we're going to drag you out of your "safe spaces" and bring you into the light of Americanism.

You best prepare yourselves.

I am now cringing manually.

>>28885637

Can't tell if that guy's Pakistani or not...

>>28880809

So long as the American guys are all white, the British have a chance.

But if there's a single Paki in the bunch, every single bong out there will drop trou, bend over and present.

>>28886727
>Besides, the initial training for RM's is closer to around 20 or so weeks, not 32, they have a few week breaks during training, whereas the US military doesn't.

The 32 weeks training does not include the 2 x 2 week breaks.

It is a 32 week training syllabus.

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>>28880809
>Which is the superior Marine organisation?

At doing what? Both are completely different entities.

The Royal Marines are a relatively small elite commando raiding force.
The US Marines are a large amphibious army.

It's a stupid question much like every single other "X military unit vs Y military unit" bullshit thread. Different tools designed for different jobs.

>>28887098

Yes it fucking does you mong, it's still considered part of their training schedule.

>>28887098

Americans BTFO by facts as usual

>>28880809
Depends what kind of Marine. Their best against our best then ours for sure. MARSOC are practically SEALS...

nah id rather some us marines have my back. bunch of 19 year olds ready to fucking kill shit led by absolutely savage nco's.

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>>28887347
>Yes it fucking does you mong, it's still considered part of their training schedule.

No it doesn't you fucking mong. It's actually 36 weeks including the leave.

Just for you my friends:
http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/RossObey01/media/phase1.jpg.html
http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/RossObey01/media/phase2.jpg.html

>>28890098
>Their best against our best then ours for sure
>MARSOC are practically SEALS...

While since the Royal Marines' best are the Special Boat Service, the naval service equivalent to the Special Air Service, I'm pretty sure they're better than your best (MARSOC, SEALs, any US SOF unit you care to mention).

>superior Marine organisation?
this is actually a pretty good question.

the Royal Marines receive Special Forces level training, only a fool would argue the USMC are superior soldiers. but the USMC has significantly more armor, air defense, and air support.

I would have to say the USMC. The Royal Marines ARE better soldiers. But the USMC is superior in its ability to accomplish the goals of a marine amphibious fighting force.

>>28881384
in US terms the SFSG is a SOF unit. Rangers is SOF. The UK wouldn't call rangers SOF. The missions ths RM does would often be done by a US unit that is SOF

Both nations speak english but really don't use it the same way.

>>28890098
SBS beats SEALs. Arguably the SBS beat the SAS.

The SBS don't seem to include creative writing as part of their training so the world knows much less about them. Thereare rumurs (and they are rumours) that SIS (MI6) has shown a preferance towards using them for that reason.

>>28892429
This. The goals each force has are different however.

For the RM's role the RM are a much better force than the USMC. However the RM doesn't have the numbers or heavy equipment to do what the USMC does.

People are comparing apples to oranges here. THey are differnet organisations created for different missions. All they have in common is the name 'Marines' and that they like to play around in boats. (though the RM spends much more time on boats than the USMC seems too)

>>28880955
Beat me to it /k/omrade
>US marines will recruit you out the front of Walmart
>UK Royal Marines require you to be insanely physically and mentally fit, and if you want in have to go through 32 weeks of training

>>28885637
>RMs are simply better in every aspect to the USMC
based on... ?

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Why must the Anglosphere wiggle their dicks about who is the best? For fucks sake we beat Hitler for what he did at Pearl Harbour, Singapore and Hong Kong together!

>>28880809
Marines
>bang bang bang bang bang

Royal marines
>bang bang click PIECE OF SHIT FUCK CUNT click bang bang click

>>28887098
>It takes us 32 weeks to create a basically trained Royal Marine

Not fucking impressed.

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Quick, someone photoshop a manlet Royal Marine in place of the North Korean

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Amerifats and mureens
There's a reason they added commando to the end of RM

If pic related is the army imagine what your tards think of the royals

Probably cream your skivvy's

>>28880835
> who let sanjeet and ahmed chop their heads off while walking down the street.

you do realise that the guy who got killed did not "let them". He was rammed with a a car, from behind, at about 40-50mph.

If you think you, or anyone else would be in a state to fight back having been rammed at that speed, you are totally delusional.

>>28893471
Great shitpost you limey fuck

>>28893526
Op gets rammed by sanjeet from behind at 40-50 mph and is usually okay

>>28881453
Lol youve never seen recon marines or cso's

>>28892589
You are now aware that failing the final selection process for the SBS, still leaves you SAS qualified

A better question would be US Marines vs British Armed Forces. The Marines could BTFO the entire British Armed Forces with Navy support alone. It's not even a contest.

>>28883704
>high school certificate
>qualification

>>28880809
As a US Marine, I can confidently say that individually, Royal Marines are far superior to US Marines.
However remember that there's only ~7,000 Royal Marines, as opposed to ~180,000 US Marines, and a more accurate comparison would be to an American special operations unit.

>>28887139
THIIIIIS!

>>28893056
training alone, combat experience, nco's co's and general quality. not to mention RMs are sfsg

>>28892589

It's kind of funny how in the UK, the premier army SOF unit is well-known and has all the movies and TV shows while it's the opposite here in the US.

>>28895481
>It's kind of funny how in the UK, the premier army SOF unit is well-known and has all the movies and TV shows while it's the opposite here in the US.

>implying all the media has anything to do with reality

>>28886727
>>The SAS is the BEST SF in the world!
>>The RM's are the BEST Marines in the world!
>>The Challenger 2 is the BEST protected tank in the world!
>>British forces have the BEST training in the world!

These statements are largely correct.


It seems that this discussion has made you emotional and unreasonable.

I recommend you take a break.

>>you're asking on a very biased board my friend

>>28895481
The SBS is possibly better and doesn't get much/any media attention. So you could say its the same situation. The SBS is also technically older but few relise that. There are actually other units such as 'The increament', 'E squadron SAS' etc who do stuff comparable to CIA SAD/SOG.

Here is a link to enjoy. Skip to the bit about the 'general support branch'
https://wikispooks.com/w/images/e/ed/UK_Intelligence_And_Security_Report%2C_2003.pdf

The SEALs are very good a PR and are willfully looking for attention. Much of the rest of US Special Forces just seem to be less secretive than UK SIS/SF

>>28894275
Bullshit. You are literally pulling this out of your ass. You sound like somebody who doesn't know what they are talking about and just says their countries military is better because of the most random bullshit reason.

>>28900142
Who wins, a ranger battalion or a stryker brigade combat team?

Similar to the comparison being made in this thread. Both the USMC and the RM are good at their jobs, but they do not do the same job. The RM focus on larger scale commando missions, raids, artic/mountin warfare and doing VBSS and force protection stuff tfor the RN. Its an elite, specialised light infantry force.

The USMC is a combined army expeditionary force expected to win wars by itself.

Both units circa 1916 would be very very very similar. The USMC went one way and became almost a 2nd army, the RM another and became a specialised force closer to the Rangers

>>28881818
bowling ball

>>28900962
Whoopdie fucking doo.
You can hit a target at 500 yards!
I was hitting targets at 600 with my dads 20 inch AR.

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>>28893471
>strange old race
Who ripped some shitty HFY to make this low quality bait?

>>28900972
>implying Taliban can distinguish between white guys with guns and other white guys with guns

>>28901868
I'm sure it wasn't too hard. Only one fighting force I can think of leaves dicks all over the place.

>>28880809
British Marines are commandos

US Marines are Infantry

It depends on what you mean by better. The USMC has far more capabilities but yes an individual RM is of higher quality than an individual Marine, but the individual Marine was never meant to be a commando. A better comparison would be Marine Raiders or Recon vs the RMs

>>28900947
>>28900962
>>28900972
>>28900985
>>28900997
Marines 100%, unironically, believe this.

>>28901887
Thats a fairly accurate statement.

>>28901868
not that fgt that posted but they're actually pretty smart. Through icom we found out that they thought our battalion was SF or something because we were testing new gear and they noticed we had different chest rigs, packs, etc etc than adjacent battalions.

>>28880809
Who won their FREEDOM from the crown?!

>>28881108
Marines doing the same shit with little to no shit for half the coin get wrecked faggot!

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>>28886741
>>28886810
>>28886840

>>28897248

Not sure how you got that. I'm just saying, the maritime SOF in the US is well-known but it's the opposite in the UK.

>>28901993
Oh hi US Army, what're you doing in a thread about military servicemen? You're servicepeople.

>>28880809

Royals probably get better training since they are much fewer than US Marines. But US Marines have all sorts of assets like tanks, AFVs, AAVs, CAS aircraft, fighter aircraft and all sorts of helos the Royals can only dream of.

>>28901108
>>28901108
You're a special kind of faggot.

>>28880955
Accurate

>>28898681
Agree

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What can the USMC do better than the RM and vice versa?

>>28900286
Holy shit you BTFO him and he doesn't even have the manners to apologize to you.

>>28904492
USMC: combined arms warfare without assistance from other forces. Tanks battles, flying jets, heavy artillary taking on large scale enemies one on one and expecting to win.

RM: doing raids from the sea during the night, searching pirate vessels, being rapidly deployable to jungles/ artic areas with no pre deployment training required. Acting as a shock force at the tip of an attack, capturing ports, snipers (apparently sas send it's folk to the RM sniper school), acting as support for SBS in large scale attacks

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>>28886727

>>28880847

misusing the word organic.

>>28880955

Truth

>>28886727
Holy shit if you think USMC training is anywhere close to RM training you're the delusional one

>>28880809
why does the british bfa look like a dildo

>>28880835
Kek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chattanooga_shootings