Semi Auto 308

save a bit more cash and get a scar 17

>>28866020
I have the cash but I don't want to spend that much.

>>28866011
>$2,000
Colt 901 would be my only real suggestion at that price point, and it's a pretty good one actually.
DPMS is not good despite what the poorfags/fudds will tell you, and the "bild it yerself" route will come out around the same.

Colt has really stepped their game up recently as well and with 5.56 conversions available and eventual 7.62x39 conversions, there's also that to consider if it interests you.

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Eventually.
They're working on getting the weight down
From the same designer as the Magpul Massoud

>>28866036
then get an m&p10 and get laughed at when you're at the range

>>28866051
I just don't want a scar. Can I see a picture of your scar?

>>28866044
That is a nice looking rifle

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>>28866011
I really liked the RRA LAR-8 Varmint A4 my roommate had. He went 26 inch and, with the Nightforce scope he bought, could pull 0.5" groups with Winchester hunting loads and 0.3" (same hole, no spread) with Black Hills Match.

Too bad he sold it during the panic, though he got what he had in it.

Also, they have almost no parts commonality with other designs and are picky with mags.

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>>28866084
no

>>28866051
I am poorfag who wants a 308 AR
is the M&P10 or the aero precision oem my only options?

>>28866157
So cute still don't want one.

>>28866180
Aero is good shit, my build is off an Aero lower, and there are a BUNCH in my area with Aero lowers namely because Aero is a local brand and carried in a ton of shops for a reasonable price.

whats your budget for just the rifle? If you can pitch ~$2k a Mega AR10 is a fantastic rifle, my LGS had one at $1.8k for a bit, and they come with a free floated rail already so you dont have to fuck with any bullshit.

>>28866236
honestly i don't want to put 2k into it. would be my most expensive gun even compared to my tricked out AR15. my only sticking point for the aero is what drop in rail choices there are because I'd rather not have to take the barrel nut off

>>28866236
the aero oem is $1k (no stock, no rail) btw

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/lower-receivers/308-ar-18-oem-rifle-sku100018609-83359-176477.aspx

>>28866180

I went with an aero precision and I couldn't be more pleased. Sub MOA and still no malfunctions.

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I like my PTR91

Its heavy but I like it.

actually now that I think of it I should just go with an aero upper and a stripped lower and put that together myself

Why not an m14. Decent price and room for attachments. I paid 560 for mine. Just need a good optic and you can take down anything in a 800 meter range

>>28866011
You can build the rifle in your picture sans optic for under $2000

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Stop being a fucking cheap jew and you'll never regret your purchase.
https://www.lesbaer.com/AR308.html

I shot an older gentleman's Ruger SR 7.62 and enjoyed it. It is a piston gun though, and it was a relatively heavy gun at over 10 pounds.

I have also heard good things about both the Sig 716 and the Rock River Arms .308 rifles.

Of course, non of these have parts commonality.

>>28866874
Why would anyone buy that?

>>28867037
Because they actually want to hit what they shoot at?

>>28867037
https://www.lesbaer.com/UltMonolith-SWAT.html
>Guaranteed to shoot ½” MOA! Included with each gun is a target with two five-shot
groups shot at 100 yards.

SCAR or don't bother.

Nothing else will run once you stick a can on it.

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got pic related incoming in 26"

>>28867097
I wish any company that guarantees anything under 1 MOA would do this.

>>28867129
It'd be nice too if they developed some sort of clamping system so it's truly showing the rifles accuracy, not an employees accuracy with the rifle

>>28867136
Is there any source to how they actually group the rifle?
I don't think they would put an employee behind the gun to shoot the groups.
But honestly if an employee can shoot that, the person who buys it probably wouldn't be able to outshoot them anyway.
Either way would be nice I guess.

>>28867145
I wouldn't doubt it if they put it in a lead sled.
Either way they are top of the line. For damn near 5k they better be.

FAL
A
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Rodesian camo style

>>28867145
Mechanical rest

>>28866293
Is that the strike eagle on there? If so, how do you like it and is 6x zoom enough for 200+?

>>28866011
DPMS REPR for a poorfag or a LWRC REPR for a little bit wealthier fag.

>>28866039
Please do not listen to this moron. The only thing that anyone can bitch about on it is the gas system. You'll have to change a couple things to shoot suppressed.

The rifle you buy has a very small impact on what you can do with it. The skill of the shooter is what matters. People on /k that don't go to the range will find issue with this but I can promise you that any serious competitive shooter will agree with me on this point

Any other questions?

>>28866180
If you are true poorfag then look at the psa ar10. you could get into the game for sub 800, I believe.

>>28866044
What does this design that hasn't already been done?

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>>28866011
Anyone have experience with the DPMS G2?

>>28866011
An M1A

>>28868220
I have an AP4 I put the MI rail on. I like it. With a vx-r patrol I'm shooting 2 moa with ZQI guardian ammo. Brass lands in a nice pile at 5 o'clock, it's super light and handy.

>>28866039
i completely disagree about dpms being not good. the fact is, their 308 offerings sell well and are well liked.
but no need to take either of our words for it, research this yourself.

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>>28866011

In that price range I would recommend the older Colt LE901 (the one with the full-length rail system) and ammunition and optics.

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>>28866084
Yea you do bro. They're oper8or af

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>>28866011
Rfb

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>>28869483
Don't forget to include a pic of your tactical Oakley gloves with tactical MK 1000 elite operator edition plate carrier while you're at it. SCAR isn't that impressive for the price tag.

OP I'm looking at getting a DPMS MK 12. Anybody have experience with it?

>>28870787
>SCAR isn't that impressive for the price tag.

Want to know how I know you've never shot one?

>>28872281
different anon here, im going to have to agree. its a really nice gun but my first thought after handling and shooting it was "thats it?"
i think theres just too much hype around it and i made it out to be bigger than it was in my head prior.
at $2k, i really like the 17. at $2600+, i'll pass.
im sure youll be along shortly to say "poorfag, blah blah, Fn R&D, etc" but those are just my thoughts.

>>28868220

I was lusting for one for a while but decided to build an M5e1 instead.

>>28872281
The thing doesn't even shoot sub MOA and to my knowledge and you only have that one buttstock to choose from (to my knowledge). If it cost 1500 then I could understand the lack of accuracy but for anything over 2k I'm looking to group better than what I've heard about being 1.5-2 MOA.

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>>28873597
>doesnt shoot sub MOA
>only one buttstock

nigger you must be joking

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>>28873597

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>>28873597
to be fair i dont know where to get this stock or if its even out yet but it's coming.

>>28873760

There are more aftermarket stocks available for the SCAR than there are for the AR.

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>>28873845
i know, that's why i posted some examples desu

>>28873923

I quoted you to maintain the flow of conversation, much like I'm doing now.

>>28872320
People who think the scar is not worth the price fail to realize that no other battle rifle comes close in terms of combined precision, weight, egos, and reliability. Most ar10s cost the same or more than the scar for goodness sake. Also, the scar is battle proven whereas the only ar10's in use are far more expensive than the scar (hk417, sr25, lmt mws).

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>>28873947
ah, my bad.

heres another one i found.

>>28873760

The 2 17s I've seen in person (sadly I can't justify spending that much on another rifle right now) were around 1.25 - 1.5 from a bench rest with match ammo and 5 round groups. I know MAC has their sub-moa grouping in that one review, but internet searches show mostly around 1.5" @ 100 yards.

If I was running a carbine course or looking for a 1-rifle-to-rule-them-all, yes, the SCAR pretty much kicks the shit out of any other semi-auto .308. 1.5" is nothing to sneeze at in a soft shooting 16" carbine. It's far better than I can shoot off-hand, and it's good off a shooting bag to hunt with out to 350 yards.

But for someone who already has an AR-15, they are probably looking for a target rifle out for longer distances. Personally, I want a longer barrel for the velocity and something under 1" @ 100y.

Maybe in a few years I'll get a used 20" SCAR.

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>>28866236
A warning though for anyone building an aero ar10: do not use their forends IF you are building an ar10. as the barrel nut requires washers to fit properly but you may not get as many as you need. I had to cut my own thick washer out of steel just to get my barrel nut tight enough that I could not torque it off with the forend.

>>28874686

I just bought an assembled upper from them since their barrels are excellent.

>>28866011

Building your own

>>28873760
On the reviews I've read nobody got it to shoot sub MOA out of the box. It's a rifle that was designed for Special Forces. As such it has different overall intentions. They don't need to shoot sub MOA on an assault rifle. What they need is something reliable, light, and that can fit accessories which it does very well. It's the same as my M4 when I was inna Army. Thing costs nearly 4k but I would never pay even 1000 for one. Contracts and backroom deals raise the prices for no reason just like the SCAR.

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>>28866039
>Colt has really stepped their game up recently as well

>>28866044
>Hybrid Gas System
What's that?

>>28874715
yeah their factory builds should be fine, I am talking about getting their forends aftermarket

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>>28866011
Here are my suggestions:
Pic related is a Beretta BM59 (Technically an M1 Garand with 20rnd Box mag, 7.62 NATO, some variants had pistol grips and folding stocks)

Zastava M77(Modified M70 to fire 7.62 NATO) or M77B1(AKMS style folding stock)

SIG SG 542 (An SG 540 in 7.62 NATO)

7.62 variant of the Galil AR/ARM/SAR or the Galatz.

Lastly would be the FAL and her variants (L1A1 SLR, Stg. 58, PARA FAL, etc)

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I really enjoy my Colt LE901-16S

I can't see the point of anything shorter than an 18" barrel for the .308 round, or you're missing out on the best capabilities of the round. That's one of the reasons I can't get behind a SCAR 17S. Plus the recoil impulse was just strange to me.
That said, it looks like the Armalite AR-10 Tactical 18 is around $1600 in real life (over $2k MSRP, but that means nothing), and has all the features I'd want.

>>28866011
I love my dpms lr-25 AR-10

>>28866011

There are literally 0 good semi-auto .308s available outside the military.

>FAL
Huge, heavy as hell, ugly, fairly unreliable and all shitty repros
>PTR-91
stamped shit, fragile recoil system, destroys brass, made by small company
>AR-10
all blueprint guesses for a gun that was never completed or reliable anyway. no standard and one has never gone through a training class without issues
>m14
jam-o-matic, rendered useless with a spec of dirt nearby, cast receiver and poor accuracy. only made by springfield who is not known for quality. overpriced.

>>28874558
Mine does 1.5 with ZQi
Just under moa with handloads

>>28876387
There isn't any real gain in FPS from 16'' to 18''. You're not losing much at all, actually.

>>28876608
Those are all semi autos that have been used in the military. What are you going on about?

>>28876639
Hell a 13" bbl still fires pills that stay supersonic to 800m

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>>28876608

>>28876673

No actually theyre all poor reproductions of guns technically 'used' in the military but had short lives because of reliability and accuracy concerns.

I'll just say there is a reason no reputable company makes an AR10/FAL/HK91/or M14

>>28876608
So we're just going to ignore the SR25 then?

>>28866020

Is it possible to get a non-Eurocucked magazine for those?

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>>28866011

>>28866020

I heard that HK-417s are better, because of their short-stroke piston and being more waterproof.

>>28866011
So whats the deal with AR10s? When I initially took interest in them people were telling me there were major differences between models. So not everything is hot swappable like in AR15s? I always thought an AR10 was just an AR15 with a longer magwell and a bigger hole down the barrel, im guessing thats wrong?

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>>28875439
oh look, they made an M14A1 by accident

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>>28866011
Build one fagget!

>>28880525
There are 2 major patters. Ar10 and SR25. SR25 has pretty much taken over. But you also have a few guys like DPMS that have unique lowers and bolts in some cases.

Basically there is no single "spec" but SR25 is the main one.

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>>28866011
I have a PTR-91 and I enjoy it, however I would also like to have a Beretta ARX in .308 if they'll ever come out with it for civilians.
>it will never happen anytime soon

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>>28867270
Yeah. 6x is plenty, I don't intend to fire beyond 500 yards anyway.

>>28881750
Note, picture has scope at 1x. The 1x is true 1x which is cool.

>>28881750
>like you could hit anything beyond 500 with a G3

>>28881789
>implying you couldn't

They're around 2 moa stock. Thats a 10 inch grouping at 1000 yards

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>>28881817
>2moa
>10" at 1000yards
Real nice math you G3 boys got there.
Real nice

>>28881825
My bad, 20" I was thinking 1 moa.

Still, not bad.

>>28880520
Well then you've heard wrong. The SCAR is also short-stroke piston, but was designed from the ground up as a short-stroke piston, so it has none of the problems inherent to cramming a piston in an AR (yes the 417 still has carrier tilt, yes it still eats the buffer tube every couple thousand rounds despite the anti-tilt tube and a few other marketing gimmicks), and the only reason it recoils fractionally less is it's significantly heavier.

Also no gun ever is even remotely waterproof.

>>28880503
Everywhere but Europe (or its offshoots Canada and Australia) yes.

>>28881852
Well, you say that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_P11

>>28876608
>AR10
>all blueprint guesses for a gun that was never completed or reliable anyway. no standard and one has never gone through a training class without issues
u wot m8?

There is a definitive standard: DPMS LR-308 pattern, for which 99%+ of all parts are made. Literally nobody actually uses a Stoner/Armalite pattern any more, including Armalite.

Yes there are a few companies with proprietary shit, and yes a few years ago a single company used the Armalite pattern (Armalite), but today there is one standard and a small smattering of legacy parts still sitting on shelves.

>never reliable
According to what metric? Even the original 50's-60's Armalite rifles were more reliable than the M16A1, and current iterations are about as reliable as any firearm in history and capable of going 5000+ rounds without a non-mag-related malfunction.

>one has never gone through a training class
I personally took a home-built DPMS pattern rifle in a nonstandard caliber (.243win) to Gunsite, fired over 1700 rounds through it, and didn't have a single malfunction of any kind.

>>28881870
>article makes no mention of waterproofing at all, much less the entirety of the gun
I understand that it's a reasonable assumption that at least the eletronic firing mechanism is waterproof, but it's not outright stated it is and unless you have a second reputable source that does, you're just speculating.

>>28882031
Its a sealed barrel system. You literally have to send it back to HK to be reloaded.

>>28882050
To be fair HK's pulled that on a couple non-sealed (experimental/limited-issue) guns too.

And again, reasonable assumption but no confirmation so still just speculation.

>>28882077
Seriously, you need "sources" for everythging. Holy fuck.

The HK P11 pistol is unusual in the fact that it is not self-loading. Instead, it uses a quick-detachable cluster of five barrels, each factory-loaded with a powder charge and long, needle-like, drag-stabilized projectile. Each projectile is 117 mm long and weights 31 gram. Muzzle velocity is 107 meters per second. The pistol is reloaded by the replacement of an entire barrel cluster. In combat, empty clusters are discarded, in training these are collected and later sent back to factory for reloading. Loaded barrels are protected from salt water by thin diaphragms, which are destroyed by the fired bullet at the instant of firing. Powder charges in each barrel are ignited using electricity, provided by two 9-Volt batteries, stored in a sealed container in the grip of the pistol. The effective range underwater depends on the depth, and is about 15 metres near to the surface. Above the water, the effective range is quoted as being around 30 metres, and while long and relatively heavy bullets can be lethal at longer ranges, the chances of hitting any target beyond the given range is minimal. This is because the barrels are not rifled, and bullets are not stabilized in the air, thus tumbling and yawing in flight through the air.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/hk-p11-underwater-e.html

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>>28881852
Waterproof gun FTW

i recommend you get a 6.5 grendel you faggot