Looking to get a 308 semi auto rifle. Budget is $2000 What does /k/ recommend?
Colt 901 would be my only real suggestion at that price point, and it's a pretty good one actually.
DPMS is not good despite what the poorfags/fudds will tell you, and the "bild it yerself" route will come out around the same.
Colt has really stepped their game up recently as well and with 5.56 conversions available and eventual 7.62x39 conversions, there's also that to consider if it interests you.
They're working on getting the weight down
From the same designer as the Magpul Massoud
I really liked the RRA LAR-8 Varmint A4 my roommate had. He went 26 inch and, with the Nightforce scope he bought, could pull 0.5" groups with Winchester hunting loads and 0.3" (same hole, no spread) with Black Hills Match.
Too bad he sold it during the panic, though he got what he had in it.
Also, they have almost no parts commonality with other designs and are picky with mags.
Aero is good shit, my build is off an Aero lower, and there are a BUNCH in my area with Aero lowers namely because Aero is a local brand and carried in a ton of shops for a reasonable price.
whats your budget for just the rifle? If you can pitch ~$2k a Mega AR10 is a fantastic rifle, my LGS had one at $1.8k for a bit, and they come with a free floated rail already so you dont have to fuck with any bullshit.
honestly i don't want to put 2k into it. would be my most expensive gun even compared to my tricked out AR15. my only sticking point for the aero is what drop in rail choices there are because I'd rather not have to take the barrel nut off
Stop being a fucking cheap jew and you'll never regret your purchase.
I shot an older gentleman's Ruger SR 7.62 and enjoyed it. It is a piston gun though, and it was a relatively heavy gun at over 10 pounds.
I have also heard good things about both the Sig 716 and the Rock River Arms .308 rifles.
Of course, non of these have parts commonality.
Is there any source to how they actually group the rifle?
I don't think they would put an employee behind the gun to shoot the groups.
But honestly if an employee can shoot that, the person who buys it probably wouldn't be able to outshoot them anyway.
Either way would be nice I guess.
DPMS REPR for a poorfag or a LWRC REPR for a little bit wealthier fag.
Please do not listen to this moron. The only thing that anyone can bitch about on it is the gas system. You'll have to change a couple things to shoot suppressed.
The rifle you buy has a very small impact on what you can do with it. The skill of the shooter is what matters. People on /k that don't go to the range will find issue with this but I can promise you that any serious competitive shooter will agree with me on this point
Any other questions?
Anyone have experience with the DPMS G2?
i completely disagree about dpms being not good. the fact is, their 308 offerings sell well and are well liked.
but no need to take either of our words for it, research this yourself.
Don't forget to include a pic of your tactical Oakley gloves with tactical MK 1000 elite operator edition plate carrier while you're at it. SCAR isn't that impressive for the price tag.
OP I'm looking at getting a DPMS MK 12. Anybody have experience with it?
different anon here, im going to have to agree. its a really nice gun but my first thought after handling and shooting it was "thats it?"
i think theres just too much hype around it and i made it out to be bigger than it was in my head prior.
at $2k, i really like the 17. at $2600+, i'll pass.
im sure youll be along shortly to say "poorfag, blah blah, Fn R&D, etc" but those are just my thoughts.
The thing doesn't even shoot sub MOA and to my knowledge and you only have that one buttstock to choose from (to my knowledge). If it cost 1500 then I could understand the lack of accuracy but for anything over 2k I'm looking to group better than what I've heard about being 1.5-2 MOA.
>doesnt shoot sub MOA
>only one buttstock
nigger you must be joking
to be fair i dont know where to get this stock or if its even out yet but it's coming.
i know, that's why i posted some examples desu
People who think the scar is not worth the price fail to realize that no other battle rifle comes close in terms of combined precision, weight, egos, and reliability. Most ar10s cost the same or more than the scar for goodness sake. Also, the scar is battle proven whereas the only ar10's in use are far more expensive than the scar (hk417, sr25, lmt mws).
The 2 17s I've seen in person (sadly I can't justify spending that much on another rifle right now) were around 1.25 - 1.5 from a bench rest with match ammo and 5 round groups. I know MAC has their sub-moa grouping in that one review, but internet searches show mostly around 1.5" @ 100 yards.
If I was running a carbine course or looking for a 1-rifle-to-rule-them-all, yes, the SCAR pretty much kicks the shit out of any other semi-auto .308. 1.5" is nothing to sneeze at in a soft shooting 16" carbine. It's far better than I can shoot off-hand, and it's good off a shooting bag to hunt with out to 350 yards.
But for someone who already has an AR-15, they are probably looking for a target rifle out for longer distances. Personally, I want a longer barrel for the velocity and something under 1" @ 100y.
Maybe in a few years I'll get a used 20" SCAR.
A warning though for anyone building an aero ar10: do not use their forends IF you are building an ar10. as the barrel nut requires washers to fit properly but you may not get as many as you need. I had to cut my own thick washer out of steel just to get my barrel nut tight enough that I could not torque it off with the forend.
On the reviews I've read nobody got it to shoot sub MOA out of the box. It's a rifle that was designed for Special Forces. As such it has different overall intentions. They don't need to shoot sub MOA on an assault rifle. What they need is something reliable, light, and that can fit accessories which it does very well. It's the same as my M4 when I was inna Army. Thing costs nearly 4k but I would never pay even 1000 for one. Contracts and backroom deals raise the prices for no reason just like the SCAR.
>Colt has really stepped their game up recently as well
Here are my suggestions:
Pic related is a Beretta BM59 (Technically an M1 Garand with 20rnd Box mag, 7.62 NATO, some variants had pistol grips and folding stocks)
Zastava M77(Modified M70 to fire 7.62 NATO) or M77B1(AKMS style folding stock)
SIG SG 542 (An SG 540 in 7.62 NATO)
7.62 variant of the Galil AR/ARM/SAR or the Galatz.
Lastly would be the FAL and her variants (L1A1 SLR, Stg. 58, PARA FAL, etc)
I can't see the point of anything shorter than an 18" barrel for the .308 round, or you're missing out on the best capabilities of the round. That's one of the reasons I can't get behind a SCAR 17S. Plus the recoil impulse was just strange to me.
That said, it looks like the Armalite AR-10 Tactical 18 is around $1600 in real life (over $2k MSRP, but that means nothing), and has all the features I'd want.
There are literally 0 good semi-auto .308s available outside the military.
Huge, heavy as hell, ugly, fairly unreliable and all shitty repros
stamped shit, fragile recoil system, destroys brass, made by small company
all blueprint guesses for a gun that was never completed or reliable anyway. no standard and one has never gone through a training class without issues
jam-o-matic, rendered useless with a spec of dirt nearby, cast receiver and poor accuracy. only made by springfield who is not known for quality. overpriced.
No actually theyre all poor reproductions of guns technically 'used' in the military but had short lives because of reliability and accuracy concerns.
I'll just say there is a reason no reputable company makes an AR10/FAL/HK91/or M14
So whats the deal with AR10s? When I initially took interest in them people were telling me there were major differences between models. So not everything is hot swappable like in AR15s? I always thought an AR10 was just an AR15 with a longer magwell and a bigger hole down the barrel, im guessing thats wrong?
There are 2 major patters. Ar10 and SR25. SR25 has pretty much taken over. But you also have a few guys like DPMS that have unique lowers and bolts in some cases.
Basically there is no single "spec" but SR25 is the main one.
I have a PTR-91 and I enjoy it, however I would also like to have a Beretta ARX in .308 if they'll ever come out with it for civilians.
>it will never happen anytime soon
Yeah. 6x is plenty, I don't intend to fire beyond 500 yards anyway.
>10" at 1000yards
Real nice math you G3 boys got there.
Well then you've heard wrong. The SCAR is also short-stroke piston, but was designed from the ground up as a short-stroke piston, so it has none of the problems inherent to cramming a piston in an AR (yes the 417 still has carrier tilt, yes it still eats the buffer tube every couple thousand rounds despite the anti-tilt tube and a few other marketing gimmicks), and the only reason it recoils fractionally less is it's significantly heavier.
Also no gun ever is even remotely waterproof.
>all blueprint guesses for a gun that was never completed or reliable anyway. no standard and one has never gone through a training class without issues
u wot m8?
There is a definitive standard: DPMS LR-308 pattern, for which 99%+ of all parts are made. Literally nobody actually uses a Stoner/Armalite pattern any more, including Armalite.
Yes there are a few companies with proprietary shit, and yes a few years ago a single company used the Armalite pattern (Armalite), but today there is one standard and a small smattering of legacy parts still sitting on shelves.
According to what metric? Even the original 50's-60's Armalite rifles were more reliable than the M16A1, and current iterations are about as reliable as any firearm in history and capable of going 5000+ rounds without a non-mag-related malfunction.
>one has never gone through a training class
I personally took a home-built DPMS pattern rifle in a nonstandard caliber (.243win) to Gunsite, fired over 1700 rounds through it, and didn't have a single malfunction of any kind.
>article makes no mention of waterproofing at all, much less the entirety of the gun
I understand that it's a reasonable assumption that at least the eletronic firing mechanism is waterproof, but it's not outright stated it is and unless you have a second reputable source that does, you're just speculating.
Seriously, you need "sources" for everythging. Holy fuck.
The HK P11 pistol is unusual in the fact that it is not self-loading. Instead, it uses a quick-detachable cluster of five barrels, each factory-loaded with a powder charge and long, needle-like, drag-stabilized projectile. Each projectile is 117 mm long and weights 31 gram. Muzzle velocity is 107 meters per second. The pistol is reloaded by the replacement of an entire barrel cluster. In combat, empty clusters are discarded, in training these are collected and later sent back to factory for reloading. Loaded barrels are protected from salt water by thin diaphragms, which are destroyed by the fired bullet at the instant of firing. Powder charges in each barrel are ignited using electricity, provided by two 9-Volt batteries, stored in a sealed container in the grip of the pistol. The effective range underwater depends on the depth, and is about 15 metres near to the surface. Above the water, the effective range is quoted as being around 30 metres, and while long and relatively heavy bullets can be lethal at longer ranges, the chances of hitting any target beyond the given range is minimal. This is because the barrels are not rifled, and bullets are not stabilized in the air, thus tumbling and yawing in flight through the air.