Not sure if this belongs in /pol/ but oh well.
As a gun owner in a very anti-gun state (NY) I am terrified to seek mental health treatment because I fear it will one day give the state an excuse to disarm me. I have near crippling depression and some sort of anxiety problems, not sure what to call it, but I cannot bring myself to seek help.
I am not a danger to myself or others, but the latest gun-grabbing technique seems to be anonymous reporting of people seeking treatment to the authorities, with the idea being they are put on a list and then denied next time they try to buy a gun. I am not sure if NY has done this yet, but I'm sure they'll try it soon.
What should I do? Continue to not seek help, and hope it works itself out? Should I seek help, risking not only my favorite hobby, but my rights as well in the process? Am I just being paranoid?
I hope leftists are happy, they are only making the problem worse for myself and many others like me.
Try B complex and slow-release niacin. Cut down on sugar and alcohol and pot and whatever else you're self-medicating on. And yes, stay away from the fucking shrinks. Like everything else in postmodern America, the deconstructionist Left has weaponized them. Sorry.
Find a religious Jewish therapist and pay cash. You gotta find one who is able to keep his religion away from the therapy plan but they love doing shit under the table and keeping the gubment out.
It's a thing but idk if it will work if you're not Jewish.
I lived in Brooklyn and grew was raised religious. needed help with drug problem and got it under control thanks to a hassidic drug counselor
Fellow depression bro reporting.
First off, exercise daily and get on top of getting yourself a regular, healthy sleeping pattern.
Secondly, check to see if there's an anonymous mental health service in your area and use it if you're comfortable.
You could also try an online service.
Seriously do try to get therapy for it though, whether that be CBT or whatever. It has made an immeasurable difference for me, more so than I ever imagined.
>anonymous mental health service
This is a thing?
And the exercise would probably help, but getting the motivation to do it is difficult when I spend all day hiding my depression from the roomies and coworkers. I know its a poor excuse, but that's where I'm at.
As far as my understanding of the current laws go, your treatment is only automatically put on a list if you are deemed a danger to yourself or others and you pay for it with some form of government insurance, if you pay privately your therapist cannot report anything without your consent
The good thing about NY in your case is that NY also has really strict privacy laws in terms of health information. I have discussed this same issue with my therapist, unfortunately I'm in NYC so its a moot point anyway
Seconding the exercise recommendation. As a former depressed person from age 10 to 25; exercise (running, cycling, and lifting weights) has always helped more then the multiple types of antidepressants I've been put on. It's not going to magically cure you but it is a step in the right direction.
Here is the fucked thing that no one tells you though: exercise is something you have to do first, and then get motivated to do afterwards. It sounds completely backwards as fuck but you have to do it to get motivated to do it.
Hopefully it will help.
>put on a list and then denied next time they try to buy a gun. I am not sure if NY has done this yet, but I'm sure they'll try it soon.
NY is already doing this.
They will also confiscate any guns you already have.
I believe you. Used to be less depressed when I exercise all the time. Life/injuries/illness killed my motivation the past few years though. Bulging discs followed by Lyme disease followed by mono did me in.
Dude who cares about your funs, make sure youre okay before you worry about libs taking your guns. Go get some help senpai, if you dont nothings going to get better if you dont try to help yourself
I'm sorry life's dealt you a hard blow. I'm a Canadafag and I literally cannot have received treatment or medication for any form of mental illness or I lose my firearms licence. It's true that well-meaning but retarded laws can make it way harder to get treatment then it should be for people who need it the most.
I have problems a bit more serious than depression, but I see a therapist who doesn't take insurance so there's far less of a risk of too many people looking at what she writes down (apparently it's common for therapists who specialize in certain areas since they don't like having to deal with insurance fuckery). But with NY, your best bet is moving to a free state, in most they can't take away your rights unless you actually are committed.
The depression is the crippling part, anxiety is just anxiety.
And this is what I fear, so pls don't be trolling.
>tfw going to take a machining program in the fall so I can move to a free state to make guns
Fellow New Yorker here.
I'm sorry but I'm not trolling. They will come for your guns if you seek help here.
I recommend you move before you seek help. Or try to find some anonymous help.
It's part of the SAFE act. Mental health professionals have to report you to the state.
Holy shit, that's fucked up. If you live near the border you could possibly look into going to another state for care. And find a therapist who would give a discount for paying out of pocket.
Tell your doctor you have almost daily migraines you can no longer control with Excedrin migraine until they put you on Pamelor.
>pamelor is an anti-depressant that also works for migraines
The SAFE act only requires mental health professionals to report you if they believe in their professional opinion you are likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to yourself or others.
>mental health treatment
don't use official channels they are useless
find someone trustworthy and talk with them
get some san pedro and psilocybin in you as well
not as a habit but only to clear the mind and reassess what is important to you
a creative outlet helps as well
if you can lay down some of what you feel on paper or in concept it gets it out of your mind
and allows for later observation of your state of mind
all in all keep it on the low
many people will only have a shallow understanding of your position and will be condescending or judgemental
the only reason they hate you so much is that your thought process could drag them down so easily
phew thats a relief.
Thank fuck I was born in Texas and not some yankcuck shithole like NY or conneticunt
I got put on Pamelor because of migraines, but also had issues with hating life, my job, etc.
Now I don't have migraines and a pleasant side effect is I'm not mad at everything anymore. I get grumpy when things don't go my way, but I no longer blow it completely out of proportion.
>99% of the mentally are only a danger to themselves, but let's make them all pariahs so we can go after guns.
>discouraging treatment by stigmatizing those who seek it can only help the way America treats the mentally ill.
>all to get rid of guns which aren't a realistic threat to your average American citizen
>we liberals are making America better!
Texas actually is stricter than some other states. My non-resident Utah cc (live in MD, so lolnorights) would be good in Texas, but I'd be unable to actually get a Texas permit if I lived there.
We are slowly getting better. Abbott has been the best governor we've ever had. It's the urban slime that has caused our gun rights to be inferior to that of Arizona or Alaska for instance but our gun culture is definitely the most prolific and renown.
Mostly good advice ITT, but since no one else appears to have mentioned therapy workbooks, I will. David Burns' stuff is pretty good--not that it's gonna turn you into a world-beating sexual tyrannosaurus or anything, but a lot of very useful strategies for dealing with those "fuck I don't want to be alive" moments--and a lot of actual therapy consists of a therapist regurgitating the contents of those books anyway tbqh. Pay cash if you're feeling paranoid, or torrent. Fish oil probably helps, too, and it's cheap to try.
In New York it probably isn't an "extremely off chance"
Texas still bars you from concealed carry if you have one of the "severe" illnesses such as bipolar (can be managed with meds) or dissociative identity disorder (curable).
>Texas still bars you from concealed carry if you have one of the "severe" illnesses such as bipolar (can be managed with meds) or dissociative identity disorder (curable).
What the fuck? No way. I don't have any of those conditions but that is fucking retarded if true.
Didn't they just try to change that with some recent EO? I thought they at least tried to get states to report even more details. All i heard was it was probably HIPAA violating and required far more reporting than before.
It is, "The following constitutes evidence that a person has a psychiatric disorder or condition described by section (1), above:
(1) involuntary psychiatric hospitalization;
(2) psychiatric hospitalization;
(3) inpatient or residential substance abuse treatment in the preceding five-year period;
(4) diagnosis in the preceding five-year period by a licensed physician that the person is dependent on alcohol, a controlled substance, or a similar substance; or
(5) diagnosis at any time by a licensed physician that the person suffers or has suffered from a psychiatric disorder or condition consisting of or relating to:
(A) schizophrenia or delusional disorder;
(B) bipolar disorder;
(C) chronic dementia, whether caused by illness, brain defect, or brain injury;
(D) dissociative identity disorder;
(E) intermittent explosive disorder; or
(F) antisocial personality disorder."
Get help OP.
Your mental health Is more important than having funz.
I neglected to get In counciling and on meds for a long time, In fear that I would terminate my ability to own the things I love most. But when things got severely worse, I realized that my life was far more important. Maybe In the future, depending on where you live, It Is possible to regain your rights to own firearms If you lose them.
I never said you were, I'm just saying to better yourself and not worry about repercussions, worry about that stuff later. Even if your not a "danger" they could still block you from firearm access If they prescribe you certain drugs.
Shit even in Australia you can still apply even if you have or are currently undertaking treatment.
Usually if you're undertaking treatment they ask for a recommendation from your doctor or therapist so unless you actually are a psycho or have a particularily anti-gun shrink you should be fine.
fuck effexor I used it for about 2 months back in 2011 and it turned my depression into social anxiety + depression with the odd bout of serotonin syndrome and mild panic attacks. Took me about 2 years to get back to just being depressed and that was just by working full time and being exposed to being around people heaps.
Not OP, but I'm having some severe cabin fever right now, and I'm getting my seasonal depressing in full swing right now. I cannot run due to a fucked up left knee (thanks HS cross country), but I can bike for miles. However, it's too fucking cold out, and my school doesn't have a gym, because of construction. Doesn't help school and work have also been dropping the hammer.
>(B) bipolar disorder
>(F) antisocial personality disorder
I'm confused why "antisocial personality disorder" would bar you from CC, yeah.
That would be half of /k/
I'd recommend exercise.
1 hour a day on the elliptical.
Also, you really don't need guns, they're just a hobby, or if not a hobby, then they're just one tool and not the most important one.
Try exercise and regular sleep pattern.
>getting the motivation to do it is difficult
The only way to overcome that is to force yourself to do it for the first week or two. Motivation often only comes after starting something like exercising, and especially so when you're stuck in a rut.
OP here, thanks for all the good suggestions senpaitachi. Gonna go take my vitamins, hop on the elliptical, and see a priest today. If that's enough to get me going, I won't need to risk my rights to go get some pills.
Love you guys desu
>HURR man up!!!1!
What's the reason for your depression, op?
Any guys with depression who have served and deployed overseas as well by any chance?
Did serving in the military effect your depression, make it worse/better, if worse, how did you deal with it? Did you do so effectively, was it really difficult to handle at times?
Just would like to know, another depressed brah looking at joining the NZDF, mine isn't too bad at the moment, can handle it, but not sure how that will change (if it will) in the military.