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So /k/ you have been given $34 billion to rebuild the Royal Canadian Navy, what do you pick.
Submarines (SSK)
- German/Portugal Type 209 : $550 million
- German Type 212 : $525 million
- German Type 214 : $500 million
- German/Israeli Dolphin : $635 million
- French/Spain Scorpene : $825 million
- Sweden Gotland : $365 million
- Russian Improved Kilo : $350 million

5000+ tons Cruisers/Destroyers:
- US DDG 1000 class: 6,3 $ billion for the first two; 2,7 $ billion for the 3rd ship.
- US Arleigh Burke Flight III: +/- 2/2,4 $ billion.
- US Arleigh Burke class: 1,8 $ billion.
- UK Daring DDG: 976 $ million.
- Franco-Italo FREMM: 745 $ million.
- Spanish F-100 Bazan: 600 $ million.
- Spanish F-105 Cristobal Colomb: 954 $ million.
- Dutch De Zeven Provincien: 532 $ million.
- Danish Absalon: 269 $ million.
- Danish Iver-Huitfeldt: 332 $ million.
- German Type 124: 1,06 $ billion.
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>>28733468
The rest.
3000/4000 tons Corvettes/OPV/Frigates:
- US Bertholf cutter: 641 $ million.
- US LCS Freedom: 637 $ million.
- US LCS Independance: 704 $ million.
- Norwegian "Nansen": 557 $ million.
- South African Valour Meko 200A: 327 $ million.
- Paskistani F-22P: 200 $ million.


1000/2500 tons Corvettes/OPV


- Dutch "Holland": 169 $ million.
- German Braunschweig K-130 :$309 million
- Turkish Milgem : $250 million
- Malaysian Kedah : $300 million
- Omani Khareef : $262 million
- UAE Baynunah : $137 million
- UAE Falaj 2 : $136 million
- UK Clyde : $47,000,000
- Danish Knud Rasmussen : $50 million
- Spanish BAM : $116 million
- New Zealand Otago : $62.6 million
- Trinidad & Tobago Port of Spain : $76 million
- UK River $31,400,000
- South Africa Sarah Baartman/ Damen 8313 : $20 million
- Sentinel : $47 million
- Indonesian/Moroccan Sigma : $222 million
- Sweden Visby : $184 million

Fast Attack Craft:
- Egypt/USA Ambassador MK III : $325 million
- Cyclone patrol craft : $31 million
- Finnish Hamina : $101 million
- New-Zealand Rotoiti : $25 million
- Norwegian Skjold : $133.5 million
- US M80 Stiletto : $6 million


Amphibious ships (LHD):
- US America LHA-6: $3.05 billion
- Australian Canberra : $1.3 billion
- Spanish Juan Carlos : $490 million- US Makin Island LHD-8 : $2.2 billion
- French Mistral : $529.8 million

Amphibious (LPD)
- US San Antonio : $1.76 billion
- Chinese Kunlan Shan : $300 million
- General Frank S. Besson LSV-$32 million
- Indonesia KRI Dr. Soeharso : $50 million
- UK Bay : $228 million
- Singapore Endurance : $142 million
- Dutch Johan de Witt : $370 million

Auxiliaries:
- US Lewis and Clark (T-AKE)-$538 million
- Spanish Patino (AOR) : $288 million
- German Type 702 Berlin (AOR) : $445 million
- US Sea Fighter FSF 1 : $200 million
- USNS Howard O. Lorenzen (T-AGM-25) : $199 million
- UK Wave Knight Auxiliary Oiler : $172 million
- US Joint High Speed Vessel (JHSV) : $160 million
- New-Zealand MRV Canterbury : $124 million
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>>28733468

Buy 6 Zumwalts. Spend the rest on LCS Independence-Class.
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>>28733543
but no submarines?
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- Danish Absalon: 269 $ million.
- Danish Iver-Huitfeldt: 332 $ million.

These, they're the best ships in the west for price to performance and can be actually refit for multiple roles.
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>>28733468
One and a half Fords and 20 F-35C's without engines.

Don't tell anyone they don't fly. Just explain that they are stealth fighters.
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all submarines and transport ships. Subs are autonomous while surface fleets need heavy support to be effective. With surface combat ships you can lose almost all of your fleet very quickly if you don't know what you're doing.
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>>28733481
>Pakistani F22

AHHH SHIETTTTT NIGGUHYA
BI EM hundrid uh doze
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>>28733616
>implying
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adding a few more
FAST ATTACK CRAFT

Ambassador MK III (Egypt/USA)-$325 million

Cyclone patrol craft-$31 million

Hamina (Finland)-$101 million

Rotoiti (New Zealand)-$25 million

Skjold (Norway)-$133.5 million

M80 Stiletto-$6 million

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The KDXIII: 923 million
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>>28733468
>no carriers
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>>28733787
adding CV, CVN, SSBN and SSN
Aircrafts-Carriers:

- US 100 000+ tons CVN 79: 10,4 $ billion.
- US 100 000+ tons CVN 78: 11,5 $ billion.
- US 100 000+ tons CVN 77: 6,26 $ billion.
- UK 60 000 tons Queen Elizabeth (with catapults): 7 £ billion (both).
- UK 60 000 tons Queen Elizabeth (SVTOL): 5,2 £ billion (both).
- France 40 000 tons Charles de Gaulles: 3,7 $ billion.
- Italian 37 000 tons Cavour: 2 $ billion (1,5 € billion).
- Indian 40 000 tons"Vikrant": 762 $ million.
- Japanese 15 000 tons "Hyuga": 1,06 $ billion.

Submarines (SSBN)
- French "Le Terrible" : $3.8 billion
- US SSBN(X) Ohio : $7 billion (est.)

Submarines (SSN)
- US Virginia SSN-$2.4 billion
- UK Astute SSN: $2,410 million
- French Barracuda :$1.35 billion
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>>28733468

I'm only gonna go on things that are actually orderable at the moment.

Type 26 is the patently obvious frigate replacement. It checks every single box the navy needs on their requirements and has huge modular ability for the future to stay relevant as things go on.

Get some Hollande class OPVs for lighter roles, have them licence built in Canada. (Ideally with at least some of the Type 26s)

Outside of that, Canberra classes from Spain (I think it's their original design?) to get F-35Bs onto in a small carrier role. It'll be light, nothing on the Frogs, Burgers or Bongs, but it's something to kick off with and gets some amphibious back into it.

For subs I'd go with the Type 214.

For logistics, see if we can join the UKs new MARS SSS program, as it also has amphibious benefits.

None of that is "too" outrageous given the solid budget given to regenerate old capability and expand current ones to be a solid navy again.
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4 Cyclones
One german type 214
Two Absalons
One Dutch Holland
3 mistrals
5 Nansens
One F100
8 JHSV
3 Sea Fighters
And finally two San antonios
In total because I'm drunk and i can't count is
9 Billion six hundred and twenty six thousand
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>>28733846
i like the type 26's too, the only thing is the RCN wants an Air defence ship, i do think that the type 26 with Smart-L and Apar would fit the bill
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>>28733870
so just one sub?
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>>28733933

It's already been shown as being capable to mount other radars. So it's certainly possible. Although APAR and Smart-L together is a bit needless for that sort of escort. Thats moving into high end AAW territory, more akin to a Type 45, De Zeven or Saschen.

However, as pic related shows, you could certainly build a Type 26 into one.
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why no super-tycos?
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>>28733468
>canada
Will these ships have DESIGNATED SHITTING DECKS?
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2 America Class (LHA-6) [6.1b]
12 type 45's [11.712b]
2 Astute [4.82b]
2 Type 702 [890m]
4 Nansens [2.228b]
10 Hollands [1.69b]
6 Dolphins [3.81b]
15 Skjold [1.995b]

Spend the rest on maintenance+aircraft for the LHA.
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>>28733468
30 Gotlands 10.95b
5 Iver-Huitfeldt 1.66b
15 Visby. 2.76
25 Cyclone .775b
2 Juan Carlos .98b+
4 General Frank S. Besson LSV.12b
1 US Lewis and Clark .538b
4 Wave Knight .688b
3 Flight III Burkes 6.6b
25 F35B 3.75b
10 V22 .72b
6 E-767 3.6b
4 KC-767 .58b

Total of 27.111b.

Remainder is to be spent on expendables and training.

Honestly this is the third most powerful navy in the world, pretty good for what amounts to a coastal defense force.

Yes, I've got stealth fighters on carriers, landing craft, and fleet oilers for coastal defense, the Canadian Arctic is desolate enough that they are necessary.
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>>28734684
>30 gotlands
>Carrier group with tiny ASW&AAW
>tiny offensive capability
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>>28734800
>AAW
Burke, CAP, E767 coverage
>ASW
What do you think all those Gotlands are for?
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>>28733468
buy a Zumwalt
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>>28734865
the gotlands are a complete waste of money, maybe 10 max

3 burkes are barley enough to defend against a AShM swarm attack+ your expeditionary force cant split up.

also way to many different classes of PBs
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>>28734956
also, what are the wave knights for?
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>>28733481
Holy balls, the US LHA's are over 3 billion?

Why do we bother with them instead of just putting out more fleet carriers?
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>>28734982
muhreens expeditionary force
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Just buy 3 dozen "amphibious assault ships".
Flight deck for operating choppers & F-35B's, 50-60 VLS for whatever, room for 500-1000 troops per ship
Harden the nose so it can break ice up to whatever thickness develops in the north.

That's all we need.

If you could get the US to strip much of the 5th generation stuff out of the America class ships, so we could buy them for ~1 billion each.
Something like that.

>>28734982
Everything the US navy is buying has ballooned in cost, thats the whole ~fith generation~ thing.
Dnno if it'll be worth its value.
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>>28735010
Fuck the marines. They fuck up everything in procurement. And in strategy. And probably tactics, too. Seriously. Disband them, or make them into the foreign legion.
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Canada Needs two fleets (East and West)

it needs LONG RANGE ASW

it needs LONG RANGE PB's for obv reasons

it should have a task force
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>>28735135
?
who is canada ever going to fight that will have subs? lol

What we need is some way to contribute to bombing third worlders, and blowing up faggot ships that come steal our fish
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Type 055
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>>28733468
You guys better get the ball rolling on something or Weedman will give all your cash to rapefugees.
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>>28735251
Canada needs ASW because one of its principle defense needs is going to be protecting the sanctity of its national waters in the northwest passage, from Russia.
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>>28735352
Why would Canada be fighting russia? The Cold war ended 25 years ago

More likely that Canada will fall apart soon enough, Trudeau already insists canada has no national identity, 1/3rd of the population are recent non-white immigrants, etc.
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>>28735381
>fighting russia?
Fighting is the wrong word, but Russia will be (and probably is) active in Canadian territorial waters, and it is in Canada's interest to be able to deny them that.

If you guys crumble, the pieces should apply for statehood.
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>>28735416
Canada would be more left wing than california m8
You want another 35 million hippie liberals?
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>>28735438
Canadian liberalism is different than Californian liberalism. Plus odds are they wouldn't get the right to vote for a while anyways.

And it would be a good way to upset the two party apple cart.
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>>28735480
>And it would be a good way to upset the two party apple cart.

The two party system is the best defense against communist taking over.
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>>28735509
meanwhile the dems are running a literal communist for president, and all hillary can say to him is "I agree"
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>>28733468
MEKO 400 / F125

https://www.aspi.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/26503/Kamerman-The-German-experience-slides.pdf

Really like this design desu.
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>>28735509
Bully.

The two party system has merely guaranteed the continuous expansion of the welfare state.
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>>28735597
No that was womens suffrage
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You do know you should give this money to China is the best course of action.

Let China defend your country.
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>>28735597
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>>28735743
>Forgetting corporate welfare.
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>>28735743
All socialist handouts are welfare
Not some fucking arbitrary thing
A large portion of military spending can also be called welfare.
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>>28735764
That isn't really a welfare state problem so much as a kleptocracy problem.

The main political trend of the last 40 years or so has been to replace the welfare state created by the progressives in the first half of the 20th century with a new Gilded Age.

The majority of political issues that the proles pay attention to (gay marriage, abortion, identity politics) are intended to distract them from this consolidation of power.
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I buy 34 billion dollars worth of zodiac inflatable rafts and man them with """""refugees""""""
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>>28735789
>Government spending goes up
>More people than ever living on the government dole

>thinks welfare is being ~reduced~

uh huh
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>>28735805
Welfare isn't being reduced, it's being redirected from the poorest to the richest.
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>>28735818
Bernie voter spotted
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>>28735818
>>28735805
>>28735771
>>28735764
please stop shitting up the thread
talk about this on
>>>/pol/
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>>28735789
>kleptocracy problem.
Welfare is a kleptocracy problem.
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>>28733468
Put the money into social spending. Canada has no need for a military.
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>>28736032
Welfare is a kleptocracy symptom.
Gotta buy them votes!
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>>28733468
none. give all of the money back to the people and increase welfare check allowances.

btw bernie2016
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>>28736106
Gets obvious that it is when you see how little they care about fraud
Systems like unemployment are designed around being fraudulently abused
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