Wanted to buy a glock, but now I don't because they don't

>>28716161
Define conventional safety?

THE TRIGGER IS THE SAFETY

Your finger is the only safety you need

My finger is the safety!! Your brain is the safety!! Muh safety. Goddamn.

>>28716172
A safety on the side that locks the trigger in place when on.

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>>28716161
Get an M9 op. Safeties are great.

>>28716161
then you shouldn't own any weapons until you get over your irrational fears.

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>>28716161

>they don't have a safety

>including the shooter, a Flock has four safeties.

Got me to reply. Here's your (you)

>>28716214
Yes that was #2 on my list. The military doesn't use any guns that don't have safeties I think

>>28716161
Just carry without a round in the chamber, like the israelis. What better safety that a huge ass slide you manipulate before taking a shot?

>>28716310
>Just carry without a round in the chamber, like the israelis.

Fuck this idiot

>>28716161
Have you considered not being a total faggot?

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>>28716161
>can't keep booger hook off bang switch

>>28716214
M9 sucks donkey dongs compared to the 92 though

>>28716310
>2015+(28/366)
>carrying without a round in the chamber

>>28716267
Yeah and slide mounted safeties are the best. Don't let anyone complain to you about how they sometimes get accidentally turned on from racking the slide, how they're placed in awkward position or how they operate in the opposite direction of the frame mounted safeties.

The Army only provides the troops with the very best equipment made. It's the government, budgeting is not an issue.

The Beretta M9 is perfection. They're the most reliable gun made with parts only occasionally breaking.

The grips also feel very natural and good in the hand. They're very organic feeling, like an organ.

Don't let anyone talk you into a Glock just because they're used by military and police around the world, the U.S. Army doesn't issue them. Don't let anyone talk you into an HK with their LEM trigger either. Don't let anyone talk you into the Kahr or the M&P which don't commonly have safeties either.

Guns like the Walther p22 and Beretta M9 are far more reliable and safer to rely on.

>>28716161

Buy a nerf blaster. Safest gun around.

>>28716418
not him but a glock is about as ergonomic as a brick

>>28716178
>Quote from self inflicted gunshot victim

>>28716418
you don't want to cc an M9 it's massive

CZ-75

Who has the picture of the dead guy with his thumb on his M&P safety?

>>28716440
this desu senpai, CZ is extremely comfortable to hold and the controls are placed nicely

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Love mine, but it costs a bit.

>>28716418
>The Army only provides the troops with the very best equipment made. It's the government, budgeting is not an issue
You sure about that?

OP guns just aren't for you
I only carry Glocks, no issues ever

>>28716310
Don't do this

>>28716418
>colt m4
>hk416

Pick one

>>28716161
Look into the FNX

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>>28716161
You can get a manual safety kit for the glock just make sure to have the gunsmith add it on for you OP

>>28716484
>>28716426

Whoosh

>>28716418
Bad day today?

>>28716267
>The military doesn't use any guns that don't have safeties
>Sig P226
>Glock 19

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http://www.topgunsupply.com/h-k-p30sk-s-le-9mm-da-sa-night-sights-v3-3-mags.html

This if you want to carry.

Regular USP with safety if you just want a home defense or range toy.

>>28716632
Muh dick

>>28716632
>trusting anything that comes from the company that created the vp9

>ever

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>>28716468

i'm interested...

Also, M&Ps can have manual safeties, OP.

>>28716704

the USP is known as one of the most reliable pistols on the fucking planet.

the VP9 was a cash grab piece of shit

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>>28716632
Your fucking link is broken you big giant flaming ball of cunt

>>28716728
No it isn't and nothing from that piece of shit company will ever be reliable

>>28716740
no it isn't you retard.

typical phone posters, too fucking stupid for their own good

>>28716728
VP9 isn't perfect but it's far from a piece of shit.

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Get an M9 or a Beretta PX 4 if the M9 is too big for you. You could buy the M9A3 which has interchangeable backstraps but it is not cheap. Yes,slide safeties can be awkward to reach but saying that you can accidentaly engage them while racking the slide just means that you are clumsy. Also having a decocker and a DA/SA gun is good in my opinion.
If you can't get over having slide safeties get an HK USP

>>28716632
Cute

>>28716715
Looking at stippling makes my skin itch

for anyone saying "hurr durr op ur finger is safety", keep in mind that new shooters who arent as accustomed to guns like to have a safety.

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I don't get this obsession with safeties on striker fired guns as a civilian. simply keep it in condition 3 and adhere to the 4 rules.

LEOs cannot be trusted with firearms, so they should always be in condition Fife

>>28716913
And new shooters should know not to place their finger inside the finger guard untill ready to shoot...

>>28716212
a good safety doesn't lock the trigger but prevents the firing pint to be struck.

>>28716267
SEALs have been using one since the 80s.
P226 and just recently switched to a Glock 19. Same goes for most other SOCOM units. The police all over the country carry Glocks.
You need training and if you feel that you are less safe without a manual safety, you are simply incompetent. Your brain and your trigger finger are you safeties.

>>28717004
i understand that glocks are safe enough the trigger safety just bugs me to no end.
i feel disgusted when my finger touches it that's all.

>>28716418
Kek

>>28717004
doesn't prevent some stick accidentally discharging it. the trigger gets stuck in anything and buh bye safety. would not carry it chambered.

>>28717004
If he doesn't feel safe or comfortable without a "traditional" safety, let him be. Better than him accidentally discharging into someone's face.

>>28717026
You need TRAINING.
Seriously, get some pistol class. And I'm not talking a concealed carry or NRA class. Find a full time instructor (all over YouTube now) and fix your bullshit issues.

>>28717080
i go to shoot regularly and in march they start a beginners class.

don't think anything will ever change how i feel about glocks tho. they feel wrong and the trigger pull is awful. i'm also probably the least accurate with them which doesn't make me like glocks any more.

>>28716780

considering it wont fire when dunked in simple water, yeah it's a piece of shit.

the trigger components are just too fine for that kind of pistol. it needs to go back to the drawing board.

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Forgot Sig makes a SAO P226. Not a fan of SAO myself but there you go.

But surely if you're concealed carrying and you have the gun stuffed in your pants surely there's a chance of the trigger catching on something or accidentally going off if you're moving around without a legitimate safety?

>>28717399

nice b8 m8 i r8 it an 8/8

>>28717213
"Shooting regularly" won't teach you PROPER funamentals, techniques, mindset or give you the proper knowledge. You need somebody with actual know-how to teach you because your problems are only the result of your lack of competence.

>>28717452
i have an instructor and he knows his shit all right.
>because your problems are only the result of your lack of competence
no you faggot they are the result of personal preference and the fact that almost all guns are better than glocks.
glocks are nigger tier the same as the glock knives and glock everything. utilitarian and cheap plastic shit sold for lot of bucks.

>ITT: Every Glockfag on /k/ chimes in to say how mad they are that someone wants a gun with a conventional safety

You're all acting like salty little children btw :^)

>>28716161
oh my god you screaming retard, did you do ANY research prior to hacking out this post?

FNH's FNS-9 and Smith + Wesson's M&P pistols have factory options with manual safeties. Start there

smith and wesson shield

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/82836/S%26W+M%26P9+Shield+7%2B18%2B1+9mm+3.1%22

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>>28716426

>I have no guns but man do I have opinions about them

>>28717607
>M&p
Gross

An XD 45

>>28716426
>>28716484
This is a real question


Are you retarded?

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>i have a glock i CC
>i was very worried at first
>i did fag idea of no round in chamber
>now i am fine
>i realize now that the glock is not "cocked"
>its just half cocked
>you have to pull the trigger and add energy to the spring before it will fire
>its like a revolver that is not cocked
>its a very easy to pull double action
>the trigger safety makes it so only a finger/stick can pull the trigger not if you drop it or throw it
>if your worried about a stick pulling the trigger then keep it in your holster until you are ready to kill.

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>>28716310

>>28717565
If your personal preference is what you want to rely on in defending your life then go ahead. Clearly you know jack shit and I'm fucking out.

>>28717744
What if I'm always ready to kill?

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>>28717049
When is something getting stuck in the trigger guard?

It's a pistol. It's either in your holster or in your hands. Get a good holster for it, not leather or a SERPA, and make sure the holster is clear if you've been in some trees or dense brush before reholstering.

>>28717810
then keep glock in holster
use rifu

>>28717818

>not leather or SERPA
>that pic again

That particularly triggers me. I use leather holsters. They would never get like that, not even a slight possibility given the materials and construction. And SERPA, you just don't like it because it's popular?

>>28716161
Springfield XDs have both a grip and trigger safety. Dunno if that works for you or not

>>28717993
>inb4 ridiculous whining

>>28716426
It's still significantly more comfortable than a beretta.

>>28716220
>then you shouldn't own any weapons until you get over your irrational fears.
What if you dont want your gun to be shot by anything other than a person? You do know that things other than fingers can get into trigger guards, right?

>>28716233
>including the shooter, a Flock has four safeties
>muh internal always on drop safe safeties count as safeties
the glock has one safety and its basically the same thing as having a sheath with a blade mounted to the outside of it.

>>28717399
Don't call me shirley. And unless you're carrying without a holster, that's impossible.

>>28717931
People tend to buy cheap junk when it comes to holsters, and thin leather will eventually end up like pic related.

SERPAs are a safety hazard. Yes you can train to not fuck up, but there have been cases of SF guys ND'ing into their legs and dying because of SERPAs. They also tend to jam up when sandy, which means the user has to push the button really hard and pull to unlock it, which causes the finger to slip into the trigger guard.

>>28718054
>What if you dont want your gun to be shot by anything other than a person? You do know that things other than fingers can get into trigger guards, right?
Explain what situation something like that could happen? See >>28717818

>the glock has one safety
It has multiple internal safeties that keep it from firing by any means other than pulling the trigger.

>>28717049

if that actually happens to you you deserve your glock leg.

>>28716418
Mein fucking sides

>>28718123
>It has multiple internal safeties that keep it from firing by any means other than pulling the trigger.
As far as most people are concerned, even if you have 10 safeties that are disengaged with one control, it still only counts as one safety.

>Explain what situation something like that could happen?
Trees, bushes, loose threads, storing it loaded and then earthquake/you accidental knock it down/or something and then it falls and catches on a bolt handle or something and you get shot (read most people don't put pistols underneath their rifles)

>>28717452
Are you actually retarded?

>>28716161
>>Gun has a safety
>>Says gun doesn't have a safety

>>28716958
Huh?

You mean people who actually go through a training course on firearm safety and etiquette?

>>28718054

>I simply cannot stop walking around with my finger on the trigger

>>28718375
>>I simply cannot stop walking around with my finger on the trigger
>my finger on the trigger
>finger

>You do know that things other than fingers can get into trigger guards, right?

>>28717026

I've owned my Glock for well over 4 years and have never had an ND.

I cannot imagine having to quickly draw my firearm in an ever evolving self defense situation and have to release a safety. I want to pull my gun and shoot without having to think about anything other than the trigger.

>>28718205
>Trees, bushes, loose threads, storing it loaded and then earthquake/you accidental knock it down/or something and then it falls and catches on a bolt handle or something and you get shot (read most people don't put pistols underneath their rifles)
Let me ask you, have you ever actually handled and fired a Glock? Be honest.

You've got a fuckton of travel in the trigger, followed by a heavy, stiff break, all the while whatever is pulling the trigger has to keep constant pressure on a small, thin plastic nub in the lower-center area of the trigger.

In none of the situations you've mentioned can I envision some foreign object in the trigger guard successfully maintaining the right angle, position, and constant force/pressure throughout the whole of the Glock's long, heavy, stiff trigger pull. Not only that, but as others have noted, you should always have it in either a holster or in your hands anyway. It would take either the absolute perfect storm of fuck, or firm, conscious negligence to accidentally pull the trigger on a Glock.

>>28717399
I've carried my Glock for hours in my waistband without have a proper holster. Never had an issue.

>>28718426
>Let me ask you, have you ever actually handled and fired a Glock? Be honest.
I have not.

Also you do mean continuous, not constant, right?

>>28717592
But it feels so good!

>>28717645
I will meme this when I get home. I will then post it often and take credit for it.

>>28717782
Naw, you still gon lurk...

>>28718472
>Also you do mean continuous, not constant, right?
Maybe that would have been a slightly better word to use, but:

>con·stant
>ˈkänstənt/
>adjective
>1.
>occurring continuously over a period of time.
>"the pain is constant"

Let's not be pedantic here, man.

>>28718402
If you have a holster, not really.

>>28718410
>>28718464
do you carry it cambered and cocked?

>>28716632
I don't think I'd go that route over a 938, but good to know it's there

>>28718513
>Let's not be pedantic here, man.
not my intent.

>In none of the situations you've mentioned can I envision some foreign object in the trigger guard successfully maintaining the right angle, position, and constant force/pressure throughout the whole of the Glock's long, heavy, stiff trigger pull.
But firing the gun and disengaging the safety are the same force in the same plane/direction, right?

>>28718344
The problem most cops have is that the majority of them don't shoot nearly enough versus how much time they have the gun on their hip

>>28716418
Think about how much it would cost to give every soldier the BEST equpiment availible, I'm afraid that you are incorrect. The US army goes with this mindset, "We should give everyone cost effective equipment that is adequate for the job that the soldiers need to fill". If you are right then why we have not adopted the SCAR 16 as standard issue? I'm sure it's nothing to do with the fact they are ~3k. Also the beretta safety sucks balls dude, take it from someone who owns a 1911 and a 92fs.

>>28716161

Can someone explain this thinking to me, honestly, all sweet /k/ memes aside.

The Glock DOES have a safety. Its that little lever on the trigger. If you dont press that little lever the gun can not fire.

So the only way to fire your Glock is to pull the trigger. Are there people out there pulling on triggers all willy nilly and only being saved because there was a manual safety in the way? Are people drawing their weapons with their fingers on the triggers? Just grab any part of the weapon that ISNT the trigger, its not hard.

>>28718344
To go one further, a friend of mine who's a cop, loves guns, nice collection, I asked him what he carries on duty and he didn't even know.

>>28718546
Hella flushed yo

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>>28718402

I dunno, anon... I can't even see into my trigger guards, let alone shove something in there. I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

>>28717657
Git and stay git

>>28718546
Yes and yes. I don't believe you can have a Glock which is chambered but not cocked.

I'm sure you could stick a round in the chamber with the gun disassembled, but once it gets onto the frame I think it "cocks" itself.

>>28718546
There's no hammer to let down. You can't have it chambered without it being partially cocked.

And to answer your question, yes, I've carried it chambered for 4 years without issue.

>>28718567
Well they try to get trigger time on the job but everyone gets upset.

>>28718402

Name one. Name a thing that can get in there besides a finger. Unless you are carrying it in your pocket and your pocket is literally full of sticks and shit.

If it is in some sort of holster, what's getting in the trigger guard?

>>28718657
I loled

>>28718570
I'm not saying this to be mean, but if you couldn't see the sarcasm in that post, you should devote more of your time to reading books.

>>28718577
Did you read any of the thread? They're saying sticks and shitty holsters catch the trigger

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Been thinking about trigger safeties a lot lately. I'm thinking they are just about useless. Anything that gets into the trigger guard is going to ride the curve of the trigger till it depresses the safety bar anyways. Did some tests where I'd stuff chunks of my shirt into the trigger guard when holstering. It would pull the trigger every time.

Thinking I might just disable the safety for a better pull, on a glock it be easier then my M&P

>>28718556
>But firing the gun and disengaging the safety are the same force in the same plane/direction, right?

Yes, but that force needs to be relatively heavy, applied to a specific spot on the lower half of the trigger, and applied over a period of time in the same way. Your finger pads are large and soft, and encompass the whole of the trigger. Something hard and potentially thin like a branch (which, frankly, I'm having a hard time envisioning how one would get in there in the first place given proper carry) would have to resist a tendency to slide up and down or side to side (especially on the ridged triggers found in the compacts, subcompacts, etc.), as well as keep a stern, ***continuous*** force over a long pull followed by a heavy, stiff break. I just find all these conditions very unlikely to occur all at once. You need to be carrying your gun in a stupid way, get something caught in the trigger guard somehow, keep it in there in such a way that it depresses a certain part of the trigger, overcome a long pull/stiff break, all without noticing.

As far as dropping the gun and having the trigger somehow snag on something, I find it very unlikely that it would fire in such a scenario either. It's going to hit it at an awkward angle no matter what and be fire more likely to deflect to the side or spin around. You'd need to saw off the front of your trigger guard and drop it perfectly on a rigid steel beam to discharge the gun that way.

Sorry for the long wall of text, but it's kind of difficult to articulate this feeling I'm trying to describe. I think you'd perhaps understand if you had handled a Glock trigger before. I mean, if the Glock trigger was a very light trigger with a crisp, light break and very little pre-travel, I'd understand where you're coming from. It's not, however.

>>28718546
Yes, exclusively

>>28718752
>and would need to keep a stern, ***continuous*** force over a long pull followed by a heavy, stiff break in order to fire.
Fixed, the structure of that sentence was iffy.

>Sorry for the long wall of text
"Rambling" is probably more appropriate than wall of text. Like I said, it's a bit difficult to articulate my point.

>>28718752
Thank you. That helps to clarify.

How much force is necessary to disengage the safety compared to pulling the trigger?

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>>28717274
>>>
> Anonymous 01/28/16(Thu)11:32:27 No.28716984▶
>>>28716212
>a good safety doesn't lock the trigger but prevents the firing pint to be struck.

>>28718805
Not a whole lot, and it doesn't have very much travel.

I guess the best way I can think to articulate my point is that you should think of carrying a Glock as akin to carrying a DA revolver and the like. The long, heavy trigger pull contributes in large part to the safety. On the Glock, the nub/other safeties are just bonuses.

>>28718714
>I devised a 'test' where a trigger would be pulled by jamming the trigger guard full of shit and depressing it, and the trigger was depressed every time!
>obviously this means triggers are unsafe
If you can't see how retarded this makes you appear, there's no hope for you and you should sell your gun before someone dies

Fear of an ND due to a trigger safety is pretty irrational. It's statistically unlikely that an ND is going to occur. It's also statistically unlikely you're ever going to need your firearm. Yet we all carry. Let the people who want their manual safeties have them.

>>28718918
Reliance on a mechanical safety to consider a gun 'safe' is reckless. People are right to take the piss out of this guy

>>28718909
Explain how a trigger safety prevents accidental pulls of the trigger. I can't think of a single situation where it would.

>>28718947
>inb4 not accidental, muh negligence

>>28718978
So you have no argument?

>>28718947
You devised a situation where you could actuate a trigger press and then use that as evidence to support a preconceived conclusion. That's not how it works, to say nothing of how careless you're being by trying to reholster with your shirt in the way. This is why people say "your brain and your finger are your safety."

Go take a handgun 101 course, christ

>>28718608
>>28718647
>>28718649
>>28718754
you guys are crazy but whatever
>>28718939
i'm there with you i wouldn't carry a gun with a chambered round.
i have a gun that fires even when the safety is engaged 100% of the time i figured this out when i emptied the mag at the range and then looked at the safety.

>>28718947
Any foreign object that happens to press against the top of the trigger (which, given at least the Glock's trigger/safety design, is entirely possible, and even probably likely that a foreign object will ride up to the top or otherwise to a point where it's not depressing the safety) or the sides (namely at an angle) will keep the trigger from firing.

Yes, if you jam massive foreign objects into the trigger guard and push straight down, it's going to set the gun off. That's not a realistic test by any means, though.

>>28718939
>mechanical
All safeties are mechanical.

>>28719039
Not the one between your ears and the one at the end of your hand.

>>28719032
Are you telling me you have never vigorously opened a package of hotdogs and had one or two hotdogs make their way into the trigger guard?

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this is my safety right here

>>28716483
This

>>28719019
>You devised a situation where you could actuate a trigger press and then use that as evidence to support a preconceived conclusion

I made up a test, came to a conclusion based on my test. Then asked for peer review. Unless you can devise another test for it why are you even replying to me?

>That's not how it works, to say nothing of how careless you're being by trying to reholster with your shirt in the way. This is why people say "your brain and your finger are your safety."

I am 100% using my brain and finger as a safety. How am I not? By the time I'm drawn and finger on the trigger i'm pointing at something i'm willing to shoot

>>28719032
>Any foreign object that happens to press against the top of the trigger (which, given at least the Glock's trigger/safety design, is entirely possible, and even probably likely that a foreign object will ride up to the top or otherwise to a point where it's not depressing the safety) or the sides (namely at an angle) will keep the trigger from firing.

Name a single way that trigger can be pressed without whatever is rising it riding down the curve of the trigger. I can't think of a single way that can happen. I really think the trigger safety is a protectionist thing

>>28719055
>muh bio-mechanics
Fuck off Mr. 'I like mechatronics and biology'

>>28719058
I've had a couple of hotdogs get past my trigger guard and touch my trigger, if you know what I mean.

>>28718109
>SF guys ND'ing into their legs because of SERPAs

By SF guys do you mean Tex Grebner?

>>28719121
Jesus that video is amazing, I kinda wanna rag on him for calling his mom first but id probably do the same

>>28719068
Like I said, at least with a *GLOCK* trigger (which is a curve that rides up to a right angle rather than a straight up "C" type crescent) and at most angles, foreign objects tend to ride up in between the top of the trigger and the frame, or deflect off to the side at an angle and not depress the safety/have enough force or the ability to apply it in such a way to depress the trigger. I just tested this with my own Glock and various objects at different angles.

This may be different with other triggers, however.

>>28719179
That may be the case for Glock triggers, i'd need one in my hands and mess with. For the M&P trigger that lock can be defeated from just about any angle. The only way to have the lock work is if I use my finger and press high on the trigger but even then my finger still wants to slide down the curve.

>>28716310
It will still shoot if ones not already in the chamber, pulling the trigger puts one in the chamber! So whatever situation you get in with your glock regardless if ones in the chamber or not and somehow the trigger gets pulled, there'll be a bang

>>28716161
Get a 1911.
Literally GOAT tier pistol.

But, honestly, don't worry about it.

Flocks and other striker fired guns have amazing safety records.

Revolvers don't have safeties either.

>>28719179
Oh, and this is all assuming you've got something just pushed straight through the trigger guard. Naturally, something that's just barely in and pressing against the edge of the trigger isn't going to do shit.

I understand your apprehension to them, but personally, I think they're better than nothing so long as there are at least SOME instances they can present an ND. They're certainly not 100% fool-proof, but then again, no safety is. I think we can both agree that by far, the most important thing in preventing an ND is smart, proper gun-handling.

>>28719197
Yeah, I can understand fully where you're coming from with regards to M&P triggers. It's got a much more pronounced, crescent shape to it that certainly looks like it directs foreign objects directly to the middle. The curve of the Glock's trigger is much broader, and again, in my experience, directs foreign objects to a right angle between the top of the trigger and the frame.

>>28718694
If I had a dollar for every time a stick got stuck in my trigger guard...

>>28719250
So my whole point, since we don't hear about a lot of ND with M&Ps that the trigger safety is well useless

>>28719281
Yeah, that, or maybe they are actually working and helping prevent NDs? The argument could go both ways.

Besides, it's not like there are official figures on M&P NDs, and I really can't argue with anecdotal evidence. Even if there WERE somehow official figures on M&P NDs, they would need to differentiate between NDs due to getting shit actually getting caught in the trigger, and NDs due to people just generally being retards, as well as such data for other pistols.

>>28719433
I'm banking on the fact you don't see a ton of NDs in the news

>>28719225
cause double action, they don't need safeties

>>28716161
>NDs take a certain amount of incompetency with a firearm to happen
>If you were going to have one, you will still have one with a safety on your gun
>if you are the type of person to worry about NDs you are not the kind of person that has one

Learn the basic rules of handling a firearm and you will never have a ND and never need a manual safety. It will get you killed when your adrenaline is pumping and you're in a panic and forget that it's on or accidentally switch it on.

Source: decades of training laymen on firearms handling & safety

>>28716430
>quote from reasonable person without irrational fears
ftfy

>>28716418
Top Kek

>>28716913
New shooters should also learn how to be safe with firearms without relying on something other than themselves.

>>28717049
Just carry your handgun in a holster and not slung across your fucking back like a rifle and its not a problem.

>>28718580
I call bullshit.
You don't have any friends.

>>28716161
Glocks are safe as any other handgun.

This doesn't mean I HATE guns with external safeties. But if you're going to be carrying this weapon, you'll have to train to remember the safety. Now, that's an extra step to remember that could cost you time, but again, up to you.

Personally, just get comfortable with your handgun and the basics of safety. Avoid ever losing attention while you have it around, so you don't do something stupid like ND.

>>28719499
Not having a safety can also get you killed when your horse is spooked and you have your pistol out.

Your decades of experience don't seem to have run you across the fact that there are many different use cases.

My CC is a glock because yes, if in my regular life if I need to draw my gun I dont want a safety on it because the situation will probably be me shooting and then dropping my weapon until the police show up.

But with a duty weapon you might have to negotiate an obstacle and still need your weapon out. Manual safeties are good to have for those situations.

Actually I'm not even going to try to edit that into a coherent response you're just a faggot.

source for all claims:Marine CMT and self respecting lover of cock in addition to vag making me not a faggot. like you.

>>28719251
hey you never know when billy is gonna get silly is try and shove a stick in your trigger guard.

>>28716161
Safeties on a carry gun can get you killed.

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>>28716632
fug das nice

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>>28719682
Did your parents ever tell you how they felt when they found out their baby was retarded?

>>28719846
>in a flight or fight situation where my adrenaline is pumping, i'm panicked, my fine motor skills have deteriorated as a result of unavoidable human stress responses, and i need to draw my weapon as fast as humanly possible and shoot, i'm going to have the fortitude to disable the safety 100% of the time
Yeah, okay, and I bet you think you're going to Mozambique the fucker too, right?

The only retard here is you.

(that is, unless you're referring to shit like internal safeties or other non-manual safeties, in which case you're also a retard because that's clearly not what he means)

>>28719911
>being a babby that can't handle calmly disengaging a safety and mozambiqueing an accosting ne'er-do-well

lol

>>28719998
not the guy you're talking to but:

spoken like a man whose never been shot at before

>>28720029
>being a pussy that can't handle being shot at without stumbling over their own weapon

lol

>>28716418
this desu

>>28719666
That sounds filthy

>>28720059
I know, it sucks being human

I implore you to do better

/k/ , where your opinion is wrong.
>I thin-
No you're wrong and you're stupid and here's why my opinion is right and here's why you're a retard

>>28717049
>what is a good holster

>>28719582
I won't lie, that hurts a little

>>28719027
Your gun busted yo. Like a pornstars vag. Although as any manufacturer or reliable source will, a safety is mechanical and can break and should never be the only thing relied on.

>>28718040
Go away baby hands manlet.

>>28716161
this is funny because I carry a Glock 19 specifically because it DOES NOT have a safety

>>28716419
No way anon. You put the Velcro typed days in one and aim it at your eye, and you've got a scratched cornea situation right there. No fucking safety on nerf guns. California needs to crack down.

>>28716161

the safety is in the trigger; it is on safe at all times, but when you pull the trigger you engage the safety and when the trigger resets youre off safety.

>2016
>trusting the safety

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/sp2022.aspx

>>28720220

*disengage the safety

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>>28718570
I own both a 1911 and a 92fs. Personally I prefer the safety of the 92, it's easier to disengage when drawing than the 1911

>>28719617

Man its a good thing all those cavalry soldiers fighting off a horse with Colt revolvers had all those external safeties or they would have just shot each other all the time.

Except they didn't. Seriously, are you this delusional? What scenario would have you on horseback, your GLOCK drawn and ready to fire, and your horse (i need to reiterate that you are on a HORSE) spooks, and that causes you to flail so wildly that you pull the trigger.

What do you imagine yourself doing at times like these? Being literally Big Boss from Metal Gear Solid V?

Also, so you have to negotiate an obstacle with your weapon out. OK, step one, take finger out of trigger guard. Step two, negotiate obstacle. Step three, keep finger out of trigger guard you idiot.

>>28719682
did your mother have any kids that lived?

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and yet "glock leg" is an actual thing. strange use of the word "safety"

>>28720395
That is due to ineptitude

>>28720395
In your mind, how would a manual safety have prevented him from pulling the trigger? He would have flipped it off, then shot himself in the leg

>>28720395
He flipped the safety on that Kimber off when he went for a retention mechanism that wasn't there, and then put his finger on the trigger when he fucked up using the SERPA lock.

>>28720276
Really? To each his own, but if I were to have a safety, I would want 1911 style. Feels easier to disable to me

>>28720499
I like that it was about Glock leg, and he cites an incident not involving one.

>>28716347
At my academy they called unchambered carry "shoot my silly ass carry"

>>28716418
U.S. Army recruiter please go.

>>28716161
But they do. They have like three safeties.

>>28717399
Jamal please, if you're carrying your gat in your low-slung jeans without a holster, what's to stop the slide safety from moving and still getting a ND?

>>28719846
>>28720340
Ok Mr. L337opurador, how many hundreds of thousands of times have you practiced drawing and clicking the safety off? Do you think everyone does it enough to perform that under the most stressful situation of their lives? One less thing I have to train myself to overcome + faster into the fight = more likely I'll survive the fight with my Glock.

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>>28720503
I find it easier to flick my thumb forward than to flick it down, but the main point is personal preference

>>28716802
my nigga
>>28723895
that shit is smooth as butter to use.

How did this bait thread get so many replies

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>>28716418

>>28717744
>its just half cocked
Did not know everything below this. Otherwise, above I was exactly the same.

>>28716161
If you want a safe gun buy a water pistol faggit.

>>28716161
>because they don't have a safety.
don't pull the trigger if you don't want to shoot. are you retarded?

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>this intire thread desu senpai

>>28720395
That's actually termed "grebner leg" and caused by massive mental deficiency.

>>28717565
You're pretty retarded anon. Go buy a hunk of junk PX4 then

>>28717076
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>>28719027
Thats why you don't rely on safeties you dumb fuck. I honestly don't understand what is so difficult to understand about there not being a spooky ghost floating around making your gun ND while sitting in your holster. If you don't carry with one in the chamber, then theres really not any use in carrying at all. If you're seriously that scared of your own gun, just get some pepper spray, because your mental capacity and sense of logic is not far off from a teenage girl.

>>28717076
Exactly, nobody needs to made to feel paranoid. If not having a safety keeps him up at night, then let him have his safety.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KUEQ4nWv7Y

>>28725735
>>28727837
Stop perpetuating this myth. Glock have safeties. They have fucking three of them for fucks sake.

>>28728213
The "manual" aspect of the safety is implied.
I'm starting to think your post and about half the other ones in this thread are op just bumping.

>>28728764
Yeah ok, we could be OP bumping. Or we could be frustrated Glock owners who are annoyed about the hurr durr no safeties meme.

>>28716418
Leddits can't read satire without a "/s" :(

I love these threads so much.

All the no-guns posting, in clear daylight, proof that they have little-to-no experience with, let alone ownership of, firearms.

My Ruger p91-dc has no safety, but a mere decocker.

How is that bullet going to fire when the hammer is in DA position?

How is that heavy-ass DA trigger going to move that hammer all the way back without a finger doing some work?

My girlfriend can't pull the DA trigger without using both of her index fingers.

Please, tell me what is going to set that gun off, aside from a finger.

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>>28729394
A random stick.
Did you even read the thread?

Ps. Don't buy star wars cheez-its, there is a Darth Vader on the box but no actual crackers.

>>28719027
>i'm there with you i wouldn't carry a gun with a chambered round.

That's probably because you haven't been carrying/shooting for very long. Just do it more and you'll eventually realize that it's no less safe.