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Perhaps a campaign to get pepper spray legal across all of the EU would be more succesful than trying individually?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/638369/Girl-fights-back-man-who-sexually-assaulted-her-in-Denmark-street-faces-jail
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>>28704466
Did he lose the ability to speak English after she sprayed him then?
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>>28704466
Good, the dumb bitch should know that shit fucking burns.
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Belgian here.

Pepper spray, stun guns, tasers, telescopic batons, etc are all illegal.

CCW permits are only issued to people with a lot of political pull, such as politicians, judges, etc.
(and security guards etc, but only for use while on duty)

I'm allowed to shoot intruders into my house which mean me (or someone else) serious bodily harm. But I'd have to get my guns out of my safe & load it (since has to be stored unloaded), as a result, it's rather unlikely that I'd get to my guns in time.
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>>28704466

I'm guessing her "victim" was one of those poor Muslim refugees.
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>>28705009
It was. The incident occurred outside one of those refugee asylum centers.
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>>28704573
You could always just break the law you sissy
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Any court that would fine her deserves to be burnt to the ground.
Europe living under America's defense umbrella for all these years has made them delusional. It's time to wake the fuck up. The world isn't actually peaceful.
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That whole article reads like some kind of joke. Get your shit together, Europe.

>>28705009
>>28705072
>Mr Lassen said that they are not investigating the newly arrived migrants in the area.
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>>28705086

Yuropoors should start demanding their 2nd Amendment rights like favela-dwelling hoods demanding their Miranda rights be read.
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>>28704466
>>28705009
>>28705072
>>28705106
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cb0_1447249820
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>>28705135
>dat propaganda doe
how the mighty have fallen
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>>28705130
>yuropoors
>Demanding their second amendment rights

Anon... the second amendment is strictly an American thing. It's literally the second amendment to our constitution.
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>>28704573
You must have one bad ass catapult to shoot intruders into your house.
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>>28705085
Or just store them tactically. And practice an emergency routine of weapon assembly and reloading. Chrono that shit. Get proefficient!!
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>>28705086
>Any court that would fine her deserves to be burnt to the ground.

It's unlikely she will be succesfully prosecuted for defending herself, but she will be fined for illegal ownership & use of an illegally owned weapon.

>>28705206
>You must have one bad ass catapult to shoot intruders into your house.

Because euroPEONs have no guns, right? RIGHT!
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>>28705178
Either the populous wakes up, or Europe is going to be an Islamic republic.
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>>28704466
>English speakers confirmed for pedophile rapists
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>>28705269
honestly, at this point, they cant do much. I just hope that the US gov sees that shit and puts a stop to it here.
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What the fuck is wrong with these societies? If they just dree a fucking line in the sand and stood up for themselves, this shit wouldn't occur.
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So if she gets fined, can we expect a fundraiser to reimburse her?
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>>28705194
The right exists for all men. Not all men defend it and the worst countries have abandoned it altogether.
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>>28705387
The legal right exists for Americans, and that's pretty much it. Standing your ground isn't an american invention, but we're the only ones anymore who legally allow people to do it without life-ruining repercussions.
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>>28704573

I'm curious, do they randomly do stop in inspections to make sure your guns are unloaded and separate from your ammo?

Because otherwise I'm pretty confused how they would enforce this.
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>>28705387

Europeans aren't men, they are slaves, they have been slaves since there were warchiefs, they were slaves when there were emperors, they were slaves when there were kings, and they are slaves now. They are bred and raised comfortably but they are still servants of the state, they own nothing and decide nothing, if their lords decide they should bend over and take it they gladly will do so as long as they aren't as barbarically independent as the mutts overseas.
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>>28704533
He probably didn't know English in the first place, if you get my meaning
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Why is it so hard to move to the US lads?
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>>28704466
Go make this thread on /int/ if you want a more meaningful discussion, /k/ is too full of /pol/io and jingoists to get anything out of it
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>>28705870
>Why is it so hard to move to the US lads?

I love the USA, but I hate what americans are doing to it.
Your current electoral race is enough to show how absolutely fucked up your country is.

I'd sooner move to CH or CZ than the USA.
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>>28704466
Let me introduce you lawless ameriburgers to something called rule of law that we have here in Denmark.

right now peppersprays are Illegal in Denmark. I think they should be legal. But as the law stands right now they are illegal. If you choose to carry this item despite it being illegal then you must also be ready to face the consequences if you get caught.

She is not being charged for spraying that guy in the face, she is being fined for owning a pepper spray.

TO put things into perspective, we had a case a few years ago with a watchmaker who had an illegal shotgun under his desk in his store. Two robbers broke into the store and the watchmaker grabbed his shotgun and shot at the intruders, killing one of them and hitting one in the back. When the police arrived he was charged with illegal ownership of a shotgun, he was NOT charged for shooting those two intruders, even though he hit one that was fleeing and this not an imminent threat.

This is how rule of law works and it should not be a sensation.
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>>28704466
>Getting arrested for spraying was is an ultimately harmless irritant into a rapists face
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with Yuropoors?
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>>28706136
hope your mom gets raped
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>>28706190
she was not arrested for spraying someone in the face. she was arrested for owning a pepperspray.

its perfectly legal to kill people in self defence in Denmark, But the tools used are regulated.

>>28706191
<3
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>>28706136
In other words; if she had a gun and killed the guy she'd be charged with carrying a gun illegally but not making the world a better place?

I'm strangely content with this.
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>>28706136
>rule of law
>implying enforcing unjust laws is something to be proud about
>implying civilized countries don't treat the right to self defense as a fundamental principle of their legal system

Get out of here, you servile, boot licking swine.
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>>28706136
do they have jury nullification? cause if so this case could be a tool for change
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>>28706136
>rule of law!
>the State, which takes money from citizens in order to rule and serve their best interests, has come to an absolutely absurd ruling that punishes a human being acting in defense of his/her life and virtue. But because it is "the state" we must blindly obey it even if it means punishing a sexual assault victim for exercising her natural right to defend herself from rape. It is more important to obey the edicts of the State than to protect the sanctity and value inherent to human life.

This is why your countries will burn you fucking cuck. You are literally defending a political entity that forbids a female human being from owning a product to protect herself with, and worse, you convince yourself with vapid reasoning and sophistry that you are right to do so. Grow a fucking pair you insect.
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>>28705870
because your retarded government has a shit load of unused land but are refusing to let proper immigrants, meaning educated ones NOT fleeing from wartorn zones, immigrate.
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>>28704466
She should've just accepted the rape then filed a police report after.

>americucks will argue this
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>>28706274
thats pretty on point

this story is making rounds in Denmark as well and people fail to focus their anger and criticism properly. its perfectly Ok to think the ban on peppersprays is bullshit, i think its bullshit as well. but the laws are the problem here. not the justice system or the police charging her

>>28706290
im proud of openly opposing that law.
I support the american 2nd amendment in its entirity openly. But i do this by arguing for changing laws, not defying them unless they become openly oppressive.

>>28706300
we did have a case with a knife ban that had a minimum sentence that was wayy too agressive, so the verdict was put on hold until the minimum sentence could be lowered

>>28706315
she was not punished for defending herself. she could have killed him in self defence and she would not have been charged for it.
she was charged merely for owning a pepperspray.

and again, i am against the ban on peppersprays. i would not think it was morally wrong to carry one illegally. but whining about being caught with it is just stupid.
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>>28706354
>But i do this by arguing for changing laws, not defying them unless they become openly oppressive.

You should do both.

t. Civil Disobedience
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>>28706136
So is attempted kidnapping and rape illegal in denmark? Because it doesn't seem so.
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>>28705899
Our electoral race doesn't mean much though.

The president only has limited power
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>>28704573
Does the safe need to be locked by law?
If so, define "locked."
Does the ammo need to be stored in a seperate container?
Define "unloaded."
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>>28705555
>right
>legal

rights are not granted by laws anon, rights are protected by laws.
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>>28706407
People outside of the US don't realize that. Its the same as them not realizing some loud liberal in california doesn't speak for all of the US as much as some dumb hillbilly's racist remarks from some southern state.
People don't realize how fucking huge our country is and the expanse of land and values in between are.
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>>28706471
Without laws, you have no rights, retard.
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>>28706315
It's a two edged sword anon. I'm not from Denmark but it sounds like they're pretty lax about owning and carrying weapons when they aren't being used.

>own a gun in Denmark
>never use it because nobody is out to get you
>everyone looks the other way because the law is stupid
>a wild muslim appears!
>muslim used rape! must wait 1 turn to complete attack.
>civilian used .45! It's super effective!
>police arrive and see corpse
>"Nice center mass shot, you put one into his heart right through the Koran he was carrying."
>"oh and we have to take you in for using the gun, sorry about this just bear with us. It'll likely be a small fine and a short stay in jail."
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>>28706493
Read Hobbes
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>>28706354
>"im proud of openly opposing that law.
I support the american 2nd amendment in its entirity openly. But i do this by arguing for changing laws, not defying them unless they become openly oppressive."

you sound pretty based. If you were black Id suck your dick
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>>28706136
>>28706354
People like you are why the laws will not change.
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>>28706493
That's not how rights work. You'd still have the rights without laws, but they would cease to have legal protection.
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>>28706493
you dont understand freedom
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>>28706376
I agree to some extent. but i dont blame the police for carrying out their job at charging her for something that is illegal. that is not sensational at all. But part of doing civil disobedience is taking the risks with it as well. Dont get me wrong. I hate the weapon laws in my country.

I took the long road in order to have permits for my guns. and i tell you that i fucking that system. it sucks to feel that exercising your main hobby and something you feel is a natural right is controlled in its entirety. At least i fall under a legal definition of being an "absolutely reliable individual" because i got screened and approved for owning semi auto rifles.


>>28706380
OF course it is not. I dont know whats up with that part of the story. maybe they have no idea who the guy is and wont spend time looking for him.

>>28706540
Dude. Denmark is a giant kindergarden sandbox. the sense of revolution is DEAD

>>28706534
its prime european uncut meat my friend
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>>28706565
>"its prime european uncut meat my friend"

Darn, well Id shoot shit with you.
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>>28706501
>short stay in jail
CC pistol is 1 year without parole.
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>>28706376
You should also consider that Denmark is one of the Safest countries in the world. There is almost no crime and almost no murders. We have different mindsets here, and different feelings of comfort and complacency. I think that this civilized comfort is being taken too much for granted though.

But really this is a country where there is almost no reason to think about defending yourself unless you live in the worst parts of the big cities. I still own rifles and pistols, and i still believe that one should still be the "warrior in a garden" if had to use some weaboo wisdom.
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>>28706565
don't blame the police for charging her...

Mfw when they're not even lifting a finger to stop the rapist...

See guys she could have murderd the guy... at least then justice would have been done... The cops if you can call them that are completely justified in harassing the victim because she broke the law... never mind that they are completely ignoring the rapist! good job old chap we nicked this case in the bud... no more pepper spray in her purse we did a good day's worth of work...
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>>28706677
>implying they know who the suspect is
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>>28706706
implying they cant pull local video footage...
implying they cant get a witness description from the witness they're harassing that was almost raped...
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>>28706723
this aint britain. we don't have CCTW footage of every corner.
witness description only works if you find a guy that looks like him. and he was arab soo you know what they say about tomatoes
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In Poland pepper spray is legal and apparently half of Europe is beginning to supply there
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>>28706343
Yeah. A bullet, usually to both heads, solves the rape issue real quick.
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>>28704466
Dear Denmark/Germany,

If you don't start lynching sand niggers in the street this will happen again, and again, and again, until someone close to you (Mother, sister, daughter, wife) get's raped. If you need help we can teach you to tie a noose, remember to wrap the rope eight times before finishing the knot.

Sincerely hoping you wake the fuck up,
~America
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>>28705194
The right isn't derived from the amendment, the amendment simply recognizes the natural, god-given right.
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>>28707258
How is that source of rights different than the god-given rights of middle eastern nations? Theres not a lot of people that can identify with such statements.

besides that god is described as Natures god in a very deistic sense. that basically means its a natural right that is self evident.

legally it makes no importance to refer to a god to protect the validity of that right.
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>>28706136
>Here in the Third Reich, we have a law that says being a jew means you go to the jew farm.
>I dont like it, but as the law stands, I must face the consequences for being a jew
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>>28707429
did you really just pull that?
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>>28707439
Damn fucking right he did, and I support him 100%

Just because it's law doesn't mean it's okay, should be follower, or should even be spoken about.
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>>28706136
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>>28706136
She was actually arrested because she refused to have sex with a muslim, thus proving that she is racist.
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>>28707479
shit you americans are polarized as fuck

the thing is that this piece of news is being presented as a sensation even though its been like this forever. im making a statement about rule of law being followed despite me not liking the law and that i lobby for it being changed. Im a member of the party that is actively trying to remove the ban on pepper sprays. But me saying that there is nothing sensational about a girl being charged or owning something that is illegal does not constitute this:
>>28707496

or other absurd references to nazi germany.
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>>28704573
Just keep it loaded. Unless you're a serial child pornography distributor, why would a cop ever search your home?
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>>28707533

Why are you having such a hard time grasping why this is fucked up?

They are ruining the life of a young girl who defended herself from a rapist.

>"But it's been like this."

That's completely and utterly irrelevant. That doesn't magically make the situation less fucked up.

You sound like a battered wife defending her alcoholic husband.
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>>28707558
Police searches can occasionally happen, especially with the current anti-gun climate. But the main issue isn't the fear of having your house searched, but rather in case of you using your gun in self-defense, having a prosecutor telling you that since you are legally supposed to have your guns unloaded, locked up and ammo locked elsewhere, if you've got the time to open everything, fill your magazine and cock your gun, then you weren't in a situation of self defense. As self defense must be instant, and proportionate. This is a straight way to jail.
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>>28707570
I think the law is fucked up, i think the incident shows perfectly Why the law is fucked up. but that is not how the news is being presented in the media.

If all the anger was directed at the law as written then i would be 100% with you guys. but that is not what only what i see in this thread. Im a gun owner suffering under a whole bunch of regulation that you cant even imagine so i think you mistake my intent here.

that girl is not facing jail for using pepper spray. she is facing jail for owning it.

its just like that watchmaker who shot and killed a burgler with a shotgun. he was not charged with killing some scum. he was fined for illegal possesion of a firearm.

you are mistaking my criticism of this detail for directly supporting the total situation
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>>28706354
>Eurocuck lubbing his ass for the big cock of the nanny state.

It...its ok anon! The state just deprived a person of their liberty for daring to refuse its ban on a tool for self defense! We are not uncivilized so we must obey like good lackeys regardless of whether we agree.with it or not....I mean, the law! Think of the children! We're just following orders! She deserved it for disobeying the State!
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>>28707726
im critizicing the laws at every turn, whats your actual point?
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>>28707749
Mate, they will be pricks at every turn, not all of the people you might meet will be but there is always atleast one asshole
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>>28707208
Eh, I just want Merkel to go visit a few camps, without any protection, or fanfair advertising her as anyone important.

I still have fucking issues from seeing the drone footage when I was in Afghanistan, of villagers killing women, we later learned it was from the women having fled to a nearby province that was a bit more "modern" because they didn't want to marry some men, and the mothers were killed for letting it happen.

We were not allowed to intervene as this was part of the nations own "internal affairs" and had nothing to do with the war. I was not part of the drone team, just a guy who saw the footage, and I am haunted.
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>>28707762
oh well. that is to be expected. VU made the same mistake in their approach to this as well, despite their reaction will be a change for the better. ITs still entertaining to watch the supporters of the ban pointing at USA as the alternative if we lift the ban on pepperspray. We need only look at Germany since they have legalized it without issues as far as i know.
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>>28707630
Dude, I've not yet responded, but you are not going to win the argument here. And please, don't go "Fucking Americans" it shows you are frustrated, but at a low level gives people ammunition to sidetrack by going "GENERALIZATIONS"

Here is the issue for most. "Girl defended herself and was punished afterwards." Whatever the reason is, afterwards, is totally irrelevant in there eyes, especially when its for using a less than lethal item. I was in the military, I get what you are saying, she broke a law, cause and effect, simple as that. However few will get that, on top of that, she probably should be hailed as a fucking champion, given a pass on the offense given the circumstances, and then a loaded machinegun.
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>>28707749
>whining about breaking the law is stupid

You are a rape enabling victim blamer, who likes to pat himself on the back for "vocally opposing the law" while still blaming her for "breaking" the law regarding the use of pepper spray. You are a hypocritical coward who grovels at the feet of imaginary dictates imposed by politicians, their bureacracy, and enforced with threat of violence by its armed employees.

A human being used a tool for self defense to protect herself from rape. Period. Full stop. If your morally bankrupt society voted and accepted laws to be implemented that result in any form of.punishment for her, you are bound by decency and reason to oppose not just "the unjust laws" but the culture and society that adopted them. Yet like a child who cannot bear the thought of being responsible for his own life you still appeal to the need to obey state edicts regardless if they are immoral and unjust
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>>28707558
See you're assuming Yuropoors have any rights, thats where you are wrong
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>>28705328
>Implying the US government wouldn't want it here also.
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>>28707872
Morally i think she was in the right. But we cant really have a discussion without understanding the basics of what actually happened and WHY she was arrested.

My reference about lawless ameriburgers was pretty tounge-in-cheek. your debate culture is sometimes almost polarized and vitriolic beyond redemption and that is pretty evident. Otherwise i think your Bill of rights is perfection on a legal level. It took denmark another 100 years to get close to it and still we are pretty far in some regards, We even have blasphemy laws that are basically fossils from the feudal age.

So when you state that "the issue for most. "Girl defended herself and was punished afterwards" then you pretty much summarize my issue. her punishment has nothing to do with the issue. if she got caught with that pepperspray while doing nothing and not being raped then she would have been fined the same way on its own merits - just as it happened in this case. that we have a justice system that works like that is admirable. That we have a parliament that doesnt think the girl shouldnt be allowed to own a pepperspray is something completely different.
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It's so hard to appreciate that it's legal to shoot people who assault you in the United States.

That is the best shit.
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>>28706315
Please do not insult insects in such a way
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>>28707967
>blasphemy laws
Literally muslim-tier. For even having those laws on the books in 2016 your entire nation deserves to burn.
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>>28708057
Actually its original Christian-tier since the law was put in place by the christian church. but i agree, a bunch of muslims havent evolved their religion past that, and that is despicable.
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>>28708078
And you and the rest of your kin deserve to burn, for this and many other reasons mentioned in this thread. You literally are not even full human beings.
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>>28706136
Haha you are a fucking slave to an oppressive government that is allowing an Islamic invasion. I hope you realize how stupid you sound. (if you are not trolling)
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>>28708126
this comment is ironic considering the international shitstorm our country is experiencing right now. DO you realize that this kind of political cartoons are flourishing from The Guardiand and The Independent(lol) right now?
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>>28708126
srsly are we supposed to execute the immigrants or should we present them wih our butts lubed? i am confused
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>>28707208
I co-sign this letter
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>>28705269
Islam doesn't do democracy.
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>>28705733
Angry brownie detected.
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>>28706136
This wouldn't happen if you assholes hadn't let violent invasive species too live amongst you
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>>28707439
Yeah he did and you are a fucking idiot if you accept something that is wrong because "that's the way it is"
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>>28707439
It was 100% apropos

deal with it
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>>28706662
See how long that lasts with those migrants flooding in
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>>28708255
this particular instance would not. The rest would still have happened.

>>28708263
lol im arguing for changing the law while im able to realize how it is in its current form. the form of this article make people think that self defence is illegal in Denmark. However Self defence is perfectly legal here. there is even a "panic" paragraph protecting people from being prosecuted even if they used too much force from being panicked/adrenaline influenced
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>>28708291
you make it sound like i support immigration. I dont. Im actually against it and im worried about it. The base that i received my military training at is now a refugee camp. that fucking sucks

Do you have some idea about all danes being homogenous and in agreement about everything? Should you stand accountable for Obamas failures? I didnt think so...
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>>28708296
If you don't agree with the law then don't follow it. Marijuana is illegal in the US but there are still millions of people that smoke it habitually. And as time is going on Marijuana is becoming legal in more parts of the US and people don't take the laws as seriously anymore. Civil disobedience is a great tool for change.
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>>28707609
Yea that's a load of shit. They want you to actively bend over to a home invader.

Just like the pepper spray thing. She wouldn't be fined if she didn't have it... She'd be raped. Boy that pepper spray is evil stuff.
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>>28708316
Oh never mind. I thought you were a immigrant supporter. The news over here makes it seem like everyone in europe loves to let them in.
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>>28705328
fuck you defeatist shill
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>>28707985
Oh it's legal in denmarkistan. You just aren't allowed to own anything capable of shooting someone.
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Shame, I respected Merkel's economic policies. But boy her foreign policy is putting a nice brown dick in Europe's collective asshole.

Its not all her fault. Most other Yuropean leader and a large amount of the Yuropean population was on board before the Paris attacks. Only the eastern Europeans saw that it was dumb as fuck before hand.
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>>28705009
W O M E N & C H I L D R E N

Look at all the totally not military aged males. All of these poor women and children.
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>>28708355
thats not really the issue here. if i felt i had a legitimate threat of rape or assault against me then i would carry pepper spray as well, regardless of the law. But the discussion here is about the difference between being punished for illegal ownership, not self defence. what she did with the pepperspray was legal, that she owned pepperspray was illegal. I can say this without saying that i draw my moral standard from the law. and its beyond me why people cant grasp something so simple.

>>28708359
makes you reconsider your news sources doesnt it?

One of the bigger issues is the Schengen deals that makes open borders within europe(free beer runs to germany, that shit is cheap there)
However the external border of europe should then compensate for the open inner borders, but it is not. Countries like Greece uses immigrant flow into EU as political leverage and punishment for us not bailing them out and the eastern countries were basically overrun by migrants. So now the big solution is basically making Frontex stronger which is the EU border police that should be able to mobilize and take over of a country on the border of EU is failing its duties to EU by letting migrants overrun our common borders.
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>>28708391
I just bought a semi auto AK with a 30rd mag 3 days ago here in Denmark so i beg to differ. The process of getting it is a lot of paperwork though. Plus i have to keep it in a locked gunsafe bolted to the wall. thats a bit of bullshit as well. plus my old one is already stuffed with funs
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>>28706136
The problem is that fucking pepper spray (and presumably everything more effective, which is basically everything) is illegal.

What do they expect women to defend themselves with, their menstruation?

You're too busy looking at the technicalities. "Oh, she can technically legally defend herself."

But any tools of self defense are illegal. And that is the problem.
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You just dont fucking get it. I dont blame you, your whole legal philosophy is from the point of view of a SUBJECT. That you fail to understand why so many Americans are buttflustered and keep.on referencing "she broke the law!" shows your lack of understanding of the nature of rights, individual liberty, and the relationship between free people and the "state" or political body they empower with their consent.

"Self sefense is legal guys!" But the state will send armed men to deprive you of your freedom if you own fucking pepperspray, because the state has decided you shouldnt own it even for self defense. Do you not understand how fucked up this is? Why isnt there a mass demonstration of thousands of Danes openly displaying pepper spray cans infront of the courthouses and other state buildings in direct disobedience of this insane law and in support of this young woman? Why arent thousands of Danes in the streets reminding their government that it serves the people and not the other way around? This is what we are discussing in the thread. You keep saying "but guys, she was arrested because she broke the law!" And we keep saying "then fuck that tyrannical law".
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>>28708425
The time you need a bomb to go off and it doesnt..
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>>28708470
Euro women don't have the right to defend themselves from the diversity, there is nothing to defend themsevles from in the first place. They must willingly offer their bodies to arab conquerors in order to atone for colonization, slavery and islamophobia. Otherwise they are not good socialists, and if you stray from the path, off to jail you go.
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>>28708470
Not really. im just adjusting the debate to a proper course. Maybe i should put a big disclaimer in neon for people not to knee-jerk into false presumptions?

>>28708475
I think you make the same mistake as you claim that i do. your legal system is different and i think it is a shame that "we the people" is not part of my constitution. It was basically a deal between the king, the church and hybrid politicians/noblemen.

SO far there is not even a popular vote for pepper sprays to legal so its not even a big evil gubberment, its reflecting the will of people who are complacent in their sandboxes.

Im stressing the difference between self defence and ownership of a pepperspray because it is two different things and people are not getting that point. Feel free to discuss and hate on the laws of both, just dont mix them up.
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>>28706493
This attitude is why the founding fathers were hesitant to codify our natural rights into the Bill of Rights to begin with, because of people like you who would claim the rights only exist because the law says they do.
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I would like to add ive adopted a confrontational and vitriolic language in my posts not as a personal attack, but simply because its 4chan. No hard feelings danebro, I just want you to understand it is not enough to oppose this tyrannical law that forbids pepperspray, it is necessary to change the servile mentality that allows such a law to even be considered by your population in the first place. Cheers.
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>>28704466
>inb4 muslimbro shows up and n-not all muslims
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This thread will be taken down for being 'political' in 15 mins tops. Why are the mods so faggy about stuff like this?
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>>28708650
It's been up for 6 hours, you muppet.
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>>28708602
i get the 4chan part. but im talking your general political climate. shit-talking and dehumanizing of the political opposition creates intellectual echo-chambers and selective exposure instead of open discussion where bad ideas are exposed. Thats why you have bundies and people who honestly believe that you want to hunt deer with fully automatic weapons. when you start to hate the opposition that much then all that idiocy gets reinforced instead of being exposed


However i really want you to come to denmark, experience how cozy and satisfied we are, if you manage to ignite something that even resembles a sense of rebellion then ill buy you a beer, or even some mead since its the only kind of cultural enrichment you'd be down to.
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>>28708445
What are the prerequisites for owning one?
2 years competition shooter and member of a club?
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>>28708720
there are two general routes. Get a hunting licence that requeres training and a test for knowledge and safe gun handling, then you can buy shotguns galore by just sending a registering form to the police within 8 days of the purchase. for rifles and pistols you need individual permits can come in the form of sports permits or hunting permits.
As of now you can only get semi auto rifles on hunting permits and they can only be used outside denmark if the gun contains more than 2 rounds of ammo, So basically i use this form to buy SVTs and AKs and all the fun stuff. they are "specially dangerous" weapons however so you need to be 21 years old to get them or something
If you want a pistol then you need to have 2 years of active shooting experience in a club and then you can get a pistol on a SKV2 permit if you are 21 years old and is known as a "absolutely reliable individual"

its basically a bunch of bullshit based on the legal principle of "justifiable purpose" where you got to have a "need" for it somehow. So beware of Clinton.
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>>28708720
also those permits for pistols and semi autos cost 80 dollars each and it can take up to 3 months of police paperwork since they are lazy fucks. I once called the police office after a month of waiting and the officer shamelessly responded that "the paper has been on his desk for a few weeks but he hadnt looked at it yet"
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>>28706136
>His country doesn't have common law to overturn such cases
Fucking Europeans, destroying society in the name of "progress"
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>>28708797
>>28708797
>As of now you can only get semi auto rifles on hunting permits

Are you sure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vxhxqA81hw
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>>28708847
Common Law has been dead in the USA and UK for a long time
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>>28708890
i referenced that on a recent news that semi autos on sports permits would still be unavailable, I cant remember what made IPSC with rifles possible but i really want that shit in my city.
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>>28705194
So is the Miranda Reading, but still the favelados in Brazil complain when they aren't read their "rights".
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>>28708890
i found the legal reference and its apparently something of a grey zone but:


§ 19. Våbentilladelse kan kun under ganske særlige omstændigheder gives til:
(...)
3) halvautomatiske rifler
(...)
Stk. 3. Tilladelse efter stk. 1, nr. 3, kan kun gives til jagt. Det skal fremgå af en tilladelse til halvautomatisk riffel, der er konstrueret til at indeholde mere end to patroner, at riflen kun må anvendes til jagt i Danmark, hvis den er forsynet med en permanent anordning, der sikrer, at den hojst kan indeholde to patroner.


On top of this most ranges are only cleared for static shooting. its only places like Borris and Oksbol that can support IPSC with rifles apparently.
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>>28708948
OK, thanks.
At least its only the magazines that have to be crippled and not the firearm.
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>>28709042
Actually the magazine has to be permanently attached to the firearm in a way that can only be removed with tools and a minimum of work.

that usually means riveting or something similar.

its horrendous. but really, i just register my semi autos for hunting abroad and then use my regular bolt action for hunting inside denmark. I still get to have fun at the ranges with full mag capacity
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>>28709060
>permanently attached
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>>28709114
thats about right, owning a gun like that is like wearing a slave collar. i would not be able to enjoy a gun thats castrated like that. it also seems weird that they allow full mag capacity for hunting abroad. its like they fear that i start gunning down deer. but no hunter would ever want to do that. ITs a waste of meat and noone would unvite me to their hunting grounds if i did.
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>>28705328
>puts a stop to that shit
>already 60%
>what is Hamtramck
>what is the Muslim population compared to 30 years ago
>what is the Constitution ensuring their rights no matter what
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>>28708426
>I can say this without saying that i draw my moral standard from the law. and its beyond me why people cant grasp something so simple.
The reason isn't that we can't comprehend you feel that way, it's that we can't comprehend WHY you should be so foolish as to draw your moral standard from something as ugly as the law.

Laws are like sausage, even if they are good (and we can see that many are not), the way that they are made is disgusting.
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>>28709254
... but im not drawing my morals from the law
Neither am i saying its immoral to break the law
Im merely stating that if you choose to do so then you can expect to get charged for it.

im against the law and i want it changed. ive said that since the start of this thread
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>>28705135

>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cb0_1447249820

Europe is either over or they're going to birth a leader that will make Hitler look like a girl scout.
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>>28706504
Again? That ancient paperback copy of Leviathan on my desk will probably fall apart.
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>>28709254
We comprehend fine. To truly despise his way of thinking you first have to understand it. I understand it, and because of this understanding I view this Dane as less than human.
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>>28705009
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You know in Serbia we'd find out where the men's families lived and rape the women and kill the men and children. It's what you should do.

Smash the little brown faggots heads in, they're muslim animals. They're not human beings. Nisu ludsco bice, ubi nam svi.
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>>28707967
The fact that the police think it's pertinent to fine her when it's at their own discretion not to do so speaks volumes about bad priorities.

Following rules is not a good thing when the rules are bad, no matter how you dress it up.
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>>28709443
Hopefully the last part.
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>>28707630
the point is you should be getting angry. you should be stand up against laws such as these yelling, "i'm a human being god dammit and i'm not going to take it anymore"you should strait up be refusing to obey these laws, every last one of you.
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>>28706136
Well done, you really got the burgers hooked with this one. I think it's funny how Americans always act like they don't care about Europe. Remember that image with Americans saying they don't even think about Europe? Ironic.

Also love how "Play stupid games, win stupid rewards" is accurate and finds use here if it's not related to European countries.
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>>28706343
>She should've just accepted the rape then filed a police report after.

So you would be cool if I raped your girl, right?

Like if you walked in and I was punching her in the face while I was smashin her guts, you'd just watch and then call the police while I nutted and left.
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>>28704466
this all so fucking sick.
in the moment there is big shit going on in europe.
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>>28709443
>tfw the Arab hordes are leading to a resurgence of nationalism and closed borders
10th crusade when
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>>28707943
>implying A. Wyatt Mann wouldn't firebomb muslims in his neighborhood
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>>28705380
I'd pitch a dollar and I've only got 12$ in the bank until I get paid friday. Shit needs to happen.
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>>28704466
police becomes a fucking joke. Punishing the victim and not the assaulter. Are we living in a third world country now ?

The time will come that we have no other option than to behead the muslims ourselves and bring back peace to the streets.
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>>28705899
We haven't gotten to "real" campain. With the internet and more media we just hear about it a lot sooner then be for.
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>>28708688
i guarantee that girl in the news facing jail, doesn't feel cozy or satisfied. in fact she probably feels cold, alone ,and her illusion of safety is shattered for the rest of her life, all because she said fuck that and got fucked over for it.
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>>28709443
but his name will be mohammed al-hajj
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>>28704573
>shoot intruders into my house
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>>28705387
>>28706471
>>28706549
>>28706551
>>28707258
So this talk is arousing


>>28706244
So she was arrested for owning an aerosol can
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>>28708688
Its due to gerrymandering. In America, most districts are set up 95% republican/democrat voters. So local politicians are almost garenteed to be reelected. The only way to lose is if a person from the same political party runs against them. The only way for that person to win is to be MORE democrat/republican than the seated official. Multiply that for 200 years and you can see how we got that way
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>>28706136
Article 3 UDHR "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person."
security of person, how can you be secure if you don't have the tools to protect your security? Your laws are illegal
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>>28705269
Cute pic, but if that cat is anything like mine was he will be gone the second that dude pulls the trigger and won't come back for hours
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>>28706136
>pic related

Americans like myself have a hard time with the concept of accepting unjust laws and rule because of how our country was started and numerous wars that have been fought since then based around the same concept.


Something having to do with morality and legality not always being synonymous...

Crazy, right?
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>>28711834
>FB_IMG_1443423943738
Nah
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I find it ironic that people here are saying denmark is bending backwards for immigrants, while the rest of the world calls denmark nazi for confiscating evrything the immigrants have of value.
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>>28705733
One intoxicated person to what I'm assuming is another that makes sense
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>>28706565
Them being banned in the first place means access is restricted and use is discouraged. Your an idiot. Your government is made of idiots. The girl was the only one with any sense.
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>>28710067
You know you're scum when the serbs say your shit.
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>>28707630
this is why in a truly civilized country we have this thing called "circuit courts" and a "supreme court" that would strike down this law as unconstitutional due to previous court rulings and the second goddamn amendment.
>saying "its the law, I'm sorry you should just have let him rape you rather than BREAK THE LAW by owning a disabling tool that allowed you to escape a violent sexual assault" as your country is overrun by "refugees"
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>>28712016
>Your an idiot
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>>28712721
I guess that image is supposed to show that Americans do not stand up for their rights but Europeans do? Ironic.
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>>28708169
executing them is evil genocide, but rounding up illegal immigrants and deporting them back to their home country and shooting people attempting to cross your land and water borders illegally is perfectly legal from the view of international courts.

but in all seriousness if there isn't a headline "refugee who attempted to rape woman arrested for using pepper spray beaten, castrated, and murdered by a mob evil white people, refugees burn down their freely provided temporary housing in protest" you might as well come to terms with voting yourselves into a failed state
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>>28712765
chavs taking over manchester for a week isn't "standing up for rights" m8

neither is importing tens of thousands of fleeing war criminals and ignoring thousands of cases of rape and sexual assault at public events.
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>>28712819
I think you missed the point, post a better image next time.
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>>28712721
>that picture of Iceland.
it's just a lot of people standing around a big bonfire. how is that suppose to look like a riot?
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>>28712841
I think you're missing the point that I know you're attempting to redirect the conversation to be about how we evil burgers are somehow cucked by not needing to riot for muhbenefits/descend into civil war like your neighbors to east.

it's going to be a rough 10th crusade when achmed is already within the city walls yurocuck.

>>28712851
>short flames, thick black smoke
thats a burning car buddy
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>>28712875
No, I think you're off the tracks.
If you want to post in a thread about Europeans not standing up for their rights, you might want to avoid posting an image that shows Europeans going against the government while Americans don't do shit.
We both know that there is a fuck load of tension in America as well. Don't act like I couldn't find an image of your nigger riots in under ten seconds.

The point is that I don't even disagree with the general idea that Europe is shit and fucking itself. Just don't post images that are completely retarded and show the exact opposite of the actual discussed topic.
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>>28707630

There is no difference between banning self defense and permitting self defense, but banning the means to defend oneself.
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>>28707630
>>28706136
You shouldn't have been a condenscending douchebag in your opening post. Especially implying that Americans of all people don't understand what the rule of law is. The United States is one of the few modern nations that was built from scratch on the idea that prime authority is derived from the rule of law, and not of any ruling class, aristocratic class, religious doctrine, or anything else. It's literally in the political and cultural marrow of Americans bones. While Europeans, while all modern democracies, were all constitutionally reformed feudal monarchies (with a few exceptions).

I understand you wanted to inform the thread on a technicality with the story, because being a self-defense issue /k/ommandos have strong opinions on it and the urge to be technically correct (the greatest form of correct) is hard to ignore. But instead of simply informing us of the law the victim is being charged with, you go all in like a smug arrogant douche and open up with ignorant insults. Not very well played on your part.

>>28707208
>lynching random people because they have a stupid culture or religion
Dude you're dumb.
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>>28713466
>lynching random people because they have a stupid culture or religion
More like

>Murder everyone that shares all three of the gender/religion/origin of the murdering, raping, bottom feeding terrorist scum.

Make Europe so fucking hostile to Muslims that Syria seems like a better option. And then, when they join ISIS because they're too fucking worthless to try and improve their homeland, you napalm them all.
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> What was doing dping I front of a refugee center she had no business being by
> Where is the proof she was actually assaulted since women lie about sexual assault more then they breathe
> Why does this happen to be the only refugee center without any law enforcement around ?
> No perp, no crime

This story reeks of false flags
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>>28713645
>This story reeks of false flags
I'm cool with that.

>Fake rape and terror attacks to piss off Euro civilians and get them mad enough to drag their leaders into the streets and hang them.

I'd like one order of popcorn please, no soda though, I brought water.
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Sweden Yes: the post
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>jail
She'll get a 70$ fine
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>>28709443
I mean, they could do both.

Imagine an Islamic Jihad committed by violent, irrational, well educated technologically advanced Europeans.
..."Europeans."
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>>28705870

>move to US
>get shot
I'd rather take my chances here.
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>>28714025
>be a yurocuck
>get robbed
>get raped
>get stabbed
>bu...bu...bu...at least...it wasn't...a... gun...
>fade into black
>wake up in hell for acquiescing to forcible sodomy from a "syrian refugee" because you didn't want to appear racist,
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>>28705269
remember that time Muslims took over some of europe back in the day? (600-1000AD) here comes round two
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>>28708217
I hope this man wins. I want to see how awesome the US is gonna become
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>>28708425
look like a shit ton of kebab about to go gangbang some poor Heidi
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Can't the Americans just land at Calais instead of Normandy this time? Saved us from the commies once, now its time to save us from the muzzies.
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>>28709443
>they're going to birth a leader that will make Hitler look like a girl scout.
We all know this is what's going to happen.

>Sand niggers rape a prominent mans daughter who was being fucking retarded and 'volunteering' to help dem programs.
>Man rallies the other husbands/fathers out for blood
>Nationalists jump on that train like it's going to candy land
>New Nationalist Party is born
>Night of the long knives put to fucking shame when they execute political leaders that have not fled the country in the streets
>Night of broken glass is actually the "Week of burning homes" as every immigrant they can get their hands on is torched.
>Reich time.
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>>28714155
And then they get together with Trump and Putin to nuke the middle east.
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>>28704466
THIS is something feminists should be upset about, and campaigning in the streets to fix. But no, somebody saw a tit in a video game.
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>>28714155
>Somewhere, America woke up with the strangest erection.
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>>28714182
>He expects feminists to see something like this and act with reason, and see how fucked this is.
PFAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJUqhm2g08
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>>28714195
We would be on that shit like white on rice.

>Euro party burning muslim camps
>Rolling into ME
>Suddenly, over the hills
>aaaaaaAAAAAAAMERICA! FUCK! YEAH!
>A10's with loudspeakers on the hard points BRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTT fleeing immigrants as they escape the bloodbath of Europe.
>America is now providing CAS for the joint European Nationalist army
>Men in red robes are leading the charge going full battle priest
>Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
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>>28714087
PUSSY.
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>>28710561
She is not facing jail, she is a facing a 500kr fine which is about 80 dollars. She wont get a record, she will cross the border next tuesday and pick up 3 cases of beer and a new can of mace at a border shop.
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>>28714025
Helloooooooo, Sweden
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>>28711588
That's not how the UDHR works, you fucking first year law student.
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>>28706354
>not defying them unless they become openly oppressive.

If being arrested for using a self defense tool to stop the rape of a teenager is not considered "openly oppressive", I don't know what is.
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In Holland its like who gets to the police first.when robbery/rape goes wrong. tell the police the victim tried to stop you and hurted you.
Then 90% of the victims end up in legal shit.
I bought Mum a spray.
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>>28705375
its the insane neoprogressive belief that because 1000 years ago their ancestors, or just people who share superficial features with them, in a brutal and ruthless time did bad things so you need to bend over and let anyone who is concidered a minority fuck you, your way of life, and the society thoes ancestors built as a kind of penance. It's kind of like a cuckold fetish but instead of watching someone fuck your wife they fuck your culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKK4rUtKI_Q
See these cockjuglers as an example.
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>>28707609

I don't understand this.

So why is it even stated anywhere that you're allowed to shoot intruders ? It seems like the court will go out of its way to fuck you in the ass for defending yourself.

I guess if I was in your situation I'd keep a lot of "unassuming" melee weapons close at hand.
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>>28713950
>I mean, they could do both.

Nope. You can't be muslim and well educated or technologically advanced at same time.
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>>28705870
If you are a white bloke the only way you can legally move to the USA is via marriage to an American citizen.
Or if you have a shitload of money, but then you'd be able to own guns in Europe.
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>>28714182
It's like they have decided to be as useless and annoying as possible or something
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>>28714259
>lol just break the law again!
So why is the law on the books in the first place?
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>>28706136
Same happened here in the Netherlands. A jeweller was being robbed by four men. The jeweller's wife saw the robbery in progress on the CCTV, grabbed a handgun, and shot and killed every robber save from the one in the car. The robbers' family sued her for murder (IIRC) but she walked away a free woman, because she handled under extreme duress: self defence. She was, however, charged with the possession of an illegal handgun, but got probation. Gun laws can be quite flexible here, many career criminals who can't be legally convicted because of a lack of evidence are jailed for years because of possession of an illegal weapon, while civilians who keep a gun for self defence can get away with probation.
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>>28706136
The issue is not the punishments its the law to begin with. You twat.
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>>28716275
why not make a legal framework for using weapons in self defense?
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>>28706328
the system is unfortunately clogged up by people wanting to get in from poor countries

the US could really stand to restrict immigration again like it did in the early 20th Century
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>>28714155
sweden is apparently going to deport 80k migrants. Their cities are going to burn once it starts.
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>>28706662
Of course, that's what you get with a largely homogenous country.

Diversity and multiculturalism is a breeding ground for crime.
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>went on a Euro bike tour
>France has a lot of hajis but overall I stayed in the country while means there's very few
>Switzerland is fucking beautiful big mountains, friendly people almost nil muslims and foreigners
>Sweden
>some hajis overhear us speaking our native English
>wife gets smack in the back of the head
>I clocked the guy but he gets back up with a pack of is friends coming to help
>I grabbed a chair
>they move back and by that time the constable arrested both of us
>we both tell him what happend
>few hours later they let the fucking muslim go
>stayed in jail for another 8 hours after the muslim left
>when they finally let us go they handed us our passports and basically tell us to hurry the fuck out of their country
The hell is up with the police over there?
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>>28716776
>Switzerland is fucking beautiful big mountains, friendly people almost nil muslims and foreigners
Just FYI a quarter of the population of Switzerland is foreigners and 5% is muslim
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>>28706136
Most effective bait I've seen all week. 10/10
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>>28708425
muh women and children
>tfw no JDAM
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>>28716776
>The hell is up with the police over there?
Sweden is living the euro dream of the ultimate cuckery

don't people like that about Europe ?
the flair of cuck ?
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>>28706136
Man you guys are fags. You let sand apes into your country and punish one of your women for defending herself. Fucking fags. You reap the Islamic Republic you sowed with your faggotry.
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>>28716776
seems like they just dont like niggers
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>>28712721
Is that riot police dude ok? He's doing gods work throwing tear gas at those mudslimes.
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>>28705635
They actually do just that.
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>>28704573
Dutchfag here
same shit here, except that shooting at burglars is entirely illegal
>>28707558
police can do random searches, I think they can also do them for people that own airshit licenses but I never had that happen to me.
>>28705086
if it doesn't happen this year than europe is fucked.
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>>28716457
There is, defending yourself usually doesn't even get you charged, let alone convicted. But the only way using a firearm in self defence won't land you a charge of illegal possession is by legalising them, and I don't see that happening. There is simply no gun culture here and little popular support. In fact, the only people who have a clear and vocal opinion about liberal gun laws are the people who oppose them.
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>>28714025
US homocide rates have been plummeting since the 80's while they are going up in the EU...
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