What is your "grail" in terms of a firearm that you really want, but may never own, or plan to own someday but couldn't buy in the foreseeable future?
For me, it's a <10,000 serial number Colt Government Model in 99%-100% condition with high polish bluing and fire blue small parts.
Runners up are an original German Sig P210, an HK P7, and of course a full auto AR 15.
>Hard mode: Try to only limit yourselves to guns that you could feasibly buy (i.e, no full auto P90 or Glock 18).
A very early M1903 Springfield. Im not talking like World War One early. Im talking like made in 1905 early. Spike bayonet, The original rear sight (similar to what the M48 has). If it was still in 30-03 that would be fucking great
The SPAS 11
Can't be more than a few out there and I'm sure they're all in Italy. I have a good sized Franchi collection but it will never feel complete without the 11. There's only even like 5 pictures of it.
At least a dozen made for the testing. Mags were numbered to the gun and have been recorded as high as 25.
Plenty of .45 Lugers built afterwards as well and still companies building them if you put up the money.
Also a 1911, but I most want an early custom 1911, like the guns built by guys like Swenson and Hoag.
Also a S&W Model 57, though that's fairly easily obtainable
A pre-war mauser sporter with double set triggers.
I just want a Webley-Fosbery with a 7.5" target barrel in .455.
Not too much to ask for.
>What is your "grail" in terms of a firearm that you really want, but may never own, or plan to own someday but couldn't buy in the foreseeable future?
I have two that are unobtanium-tier
Pic related. Any PKM-design machine gun. Even if semi-auto, I would love to hug, hold and fire one.
The second would be an Accuracy International L96 rifle. I think they're sex.
Mine is a modern made, double action, break top .357 revolver. No one is ever going to make one so I will probably have to pay a gunsmith to custom make it if I ever want to own one.
Oh and a Manurhin MR-73.
Fucking love those things, never seen one here in Canada though
A big slice of German engineered sex in 8mm Too Expensive To Shoot
Yes. I would love so much for the REX to become reality. But really the REX wasn't actually produced due to lack of market, and even if it was available to the US, would there still be people to buy it? In the day of high cap polymer striker fired it would take some really good advertising and marketing to make money off of an oddball full size revolver. But on the other hand, the people buy the Rhino. If it ever happens I'll be the first to buy, but I'm not holding my breath.
It was a prototype that never made full scale production becasue the only market interested was the US and that was b&.
Anderson Wheeler makes one but it's almost $10,000 USD and it's a clone of the Webley design and the Webley and Sons Mark VI project was and is DOA apparently.
As an owner of a top break revolver, let me just say that they will fail. If not immediately, then eventually.
Top break is sex. However, it's weak sex. That's why all the successful top breaks (Schofield, Webley, etc..) were all low pressure cartridges.
Enjoy having your stirrup warp and eventually break.
>tfw I will probably never be able to own one of these beauties
Mine is a fairly unassuming example, I'm not wishing for the world here, but I've always wanted a Colt Model 1908 Pocket Hammerless. The prices are just high enough, and I have so many pistols and carry pistols specifically, that I may never actually get one.
Fully automatic BAR
The solution apparently is either very good materials like >>28687668 or over building like the REX. I feel that the recoil generated is mainly pushed back straight into the frame, not the stirrup.
Are you a Canadafag anon?
I'm pretty sure the Americans can get Dragonuvs no problem provided they can find an actual rifle, but I feel the feel provided by the dumbshit AK pattern rifle ban.
Such is life.
The British had some of the best metallurgy at the time and yet we have consistent reports of full power .45 ACP loads (19k CUP vs the original 13k CUP for .455) both breaking stirrups and bulging barrels.
There's only so much modern metallurgy can do for a design. The MP-412 Rex has not seen enough use to provide feedback for its longevity.
All I know is that my top break Mk.VI is 100 years old this year and I can still dump cylinder of cylinder of .455 Mk.II through it with no worry because it's a very low pressure round.
What is there to say really?
No, I'm an American, but like >>28687852
said, I don't really have the money for it. Honestly, I'd gladly pay 10k for my dream rifle, since I'm going to be a military fag soon, I won't really be able to spend time with it.
That would indicate a problem with metallurgy, there would be no reason to make a gun that is rated for significantly higher pressure when a consistent but 'weaker' steel is easier to manufacture and cheaper for the only cartage the will fire from it.
A lot has changed in the last 100 years that would make higher pressure rounds possible out of a top break and no one said that a strict adherence to the Webley design is mandatory.
no guns, pls go.
.455 Webley was selected as the best pistol caliber cartridge in the world in the Thompson-LeGarde trials.
Qualifies as special snowflake. But either way the only different is a 308 barrel, sligly different handguard hanger, and the wafflemag
That parts kit is in 556 and not too difficult to build. Almost done with mine, all that's left is finding barrel shims get the head space right, install bullet guide, and drill gas port hole. The barrel they come with is garbage, get an original IMI one if you can track one down. Got mine for $60 on keep shooting
Riiiight. It's not that easy. There's a reason galil clones mostly come in 5.56 flavor. Its easier to make it x39 or x45 than .308. Now thanks for showing him a source but stop talking like you know shit.
Alright shitstain shitpoaters listen up.
The receiver is the same just with a longer mag well, you can use a normal receiver and open the back up moving the trigger guard with it. But fuck you bought a parts kit without a receiver anyway double fuck CNC warrior sells the .308 one anyway
Gas block is the same, so eat a dick
You can modify the stock 5.56 bolt to .308 but its safer to modify an ak 7.62 bolt. They're interchangeable and the bolt carrier is the same.
Same bullet guide so eat another dick
Mag catch is wider, stock one work its just unreliable and small
>There's a reason galil clones mostly come in 5.56 flavor.
.308 galils are scarce because the military only used them as sniper platforms, and they had a tendency to shear off the bolts. Thanks for trying no guns reddit shitposter.
But let's do it your way
>there's a reason m16 clones mostly come in 5.56 (end vague off hand comment)
Webley in a non-obsolete caliber with an MSRP under $1000.
So it's not the same gun, that's what you're saying your saying right? Its not "the only different is a 308 barrel, sligly different handguard hanger, and the wafflemag" as you eloquently stated, you just contradicted yourself by saying the receivers are different. And a 7.62x39 bolt would have to be opened up for the 308 case, its not the safest to do but definitely doable. Lastly a 5.56 bullet guide is dimensionally different than a .308. You don't want to half ass a gun build. Now pop a xanax and chill, I wasn't being a dick in was saying it wasn't as easy as you made it out to be
The parts kit doesn't come with a receiver but accepts the same parts, I fail to see how the receiver is a point. I did forget the bolt, but an ak bolt is fine and cheap to modify. And no... The .308 and 5.56 use the same bullet guide.
Man the Russians make some nice guns I would love to operate with one of these. Or conceal carry it in a backpack as it can be taken down very easily. Too bad i'll never have it :(
They could endear themselves to the US market by dropping the price by dropping quality- mid teir wooden grips- and a lesser quality finish/bluing, but that will never happen because they are a H&H style firm
Guess we do things different then, if I'm building a gun I want the parts that were made specifically for that gun. Don't want to modify different parts from other guns. Different schools of thought I guess
Ooooorrrr a dude getting his mechanical engineering degree can team up with his metallurgical engineering buddy make one and keep cost around $1000-1500 and looks more like the REX top break
Miller Precision Arms MPA-300 Guardian with a Nightforce NXS scope